Foles Adapts, Survives In the Elements

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Sunday was the first game Nick Foles has played in the snow. He’s practiced in it, he said, but never played in it.

That’s not all that surprising. Foles hails from Austin, Texas and played his college ball in Arizona. Typically when he’s suited up for a home game over his career, it’s been short-sleeve weather.




Given his lack of experience in that department, Chip Kelly was asked a few weeks ago if there's any way to help get a quarterback prepared to play in the elements.

"We've got the weather machine and we crank it up," Kelly joked. (Though if any team in the league had a weather machine, it would be this one.) "It's just getting comfortable and getting a feel for it."

No other way to go through it except to go through it, in other words.


Foles' initiation into winter ball was an especially cruel one. We couldn't find a player on the Eagles that has ever played in similar or worse conditions. It was extreme even for those who grew up around cold weather.

"You're seeing a lot of white [when you're dropping back]," said Foles.

It was a struggle early. With the snow coming down hard and visibility limited, the second-year signal-caller went 4-of-10 for 35 yards in the first half. He threw his first interception of the season with about 12 minutes left in the second quarter, as his pass intended for Riley Cooper sailed over the receiver's head and into the waiting arms of Lions cornerback Chris Houston. With 19 touchdowns and zero interceptions to start the season, he fell one touchdown shy of Peyton Manning's record. He went 237 attempts overall in-between picks.

"If you let, on any level, one interception defeat you, you cannot play this game," he said. "I know a lot of hype has been made for the touchdown-interception ratio that I don't even worry about. I care about the wins...I am going to move forward and I can't wait to get back on the field and throw a touchdown, make a big play, because that's what the teammates look at, they look at the quarterback in that situation to see how I respond."

Foles began to adapt. His receivers obviously weren't moving at their normal speed or cutting as precisely in the eight inches of snow, so he had to rediscover timing. He started taking something off his throws, learning that passes with steam on them weren't going to be caught. And he loosened the reins a bit and started playing more of a backyard brand of ball, as shown on the touchdown pass to DeSean Jackson. Foles admitted afterwards that he was just throwing it in the area of Jackson and Cooper and trusted that someone would make a play.

He ended 11-of-22 for 179 yards with a TD and an interception. He fumbled only once (and recovered it), whereas his counterpart Matthew Stafford fumbled the ball five times on the day.

This certainly wasn't a game to concern yourself with stats or streaks. It was about survival and Foles survived, improving to 6-1 as a starter this season.

"We know as a team we are going to be okay because we have each other's backs," said Foles. "That is something that is special and something that is growing here in Philadelphia. That is how you win games. You win as a team and we are learning, we are getting used to each other, we are bonding as a group.

"It was just a big win because it does allow us to grow together as a team because we went through all of this together. We were able to stay on the right path and continue to motivate each other. Nobody wavered from what we knew we would accomplish, so it is a huge win."

 

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  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    I know he had the pick, some wild throws, and the snap through his hands, but given the choice between Foles and Stafford, there really isn’t a choice. Other than the one shot gun snap through his hands, Foles’ ball skills were flawless which is saying something in that type of weather just to get the pitches and hand offs. Stafford had, what, 6 fumbles?

    We’re 13 games into the season and the Eagles have only played one QB who I’d rather have than Foles and that is Peyton Manning. We could certainly do much worse. Bring it home St. Nick!

    • GEAGLE

      Yes sir!! Even when things were bad in the first half, by the second quarter Nick was already figuring out the weather. His ball placement on some incompletions were fantastic, but Riley wast coming down with them..

      late in the 3rd Nicky gets hot, completes that 3rd 11 on he the sideline to Desean, followed by THE BOMB in the BLIZZARD to “Coop there it is!” And that two point conversion to coop…THATS what really opened things up for McCoy…also,
      Running in snow is like running on the beach, it takes so much more energy then running in grass. I said before the game that there was NO way this Undiscaplined Schwartz team would be in better shape then our 53 scientifically advanced Ivan Drago’s…I think FOles completing passes opening up the run game, lions defense getting worn down by running in snow all game, Chip switching it to downhill inside zone reads, and Shady proceeded to blow the doors off the game…

      once detroits line fatigued! our line just treated them like college kids. I will NEVER forget the image of a historically high rated Lions run defense, having 11 players just blown off the line for that QB sneak….but some unsung heros were Celek and Avant…Me and a lot of other people thought Celeks time here was over! but there is no doubt that he is very important to Chip? not many TEs you can ask to block DEs consistently to make those inside Zone reads work…Brent is way too valuable to Chip, Celek will be here next year…and Avant’s down field blocking was a thing of Beauty taking out two defenders wit one block springing shady…

      We REALLy do WIN AS A TEAM and that makes us more DANGEROUS then some people think

      • Beastmode

        I love your Geaglegasms, man!
        You are so right about Detroit getting tired. When we blew em up on the Foles score I almost spilled my beer I was yelling at the TV so hard.

        • GEAGLE

          Just call it like I see it, even if it’s the minority view at times

          • BirdGang

            YO….I take back anything i have ever said bad about you. I saw you wrote this…We REALLy do WIN AS A TEAM and that makes us more DANGEROUS then some people think.
            That is all I wanted to hear. teams get over looked for players and that is a shame. esp at the QB position.

      • Maggie

        I’ve been insisting that football is a TEAM sport all season, so must agree with you.

        • GEAGLE

          Your approval? Now my life is complete..

    • jabostick

      Stafford looked a bit better earlier on (save for the fumbled snaps) but Foles hung in and got better while Stafford got rattled. Fans helped too

    • EaglePete
    • Maggie

      I don’t want Peyton Manning. Screw the ballooned-up statistics. He is like Romo. He doesn’t win at season’s end either. He is also 36 or 37.

      • Andy124

        36 is an awesome age. The best imo.

  • GEAGLE

    The kid just gets it, and is FEARLESS!!!
    ..
    Mcnabb liked to play the poor me. Look how bad I’m treated here! but he didn’t have it half as bad as this city treated Nick….and as bad as Nick has been treated! when his play started to rub the haters noses in it, he never once made it about him! except for when it’s time to take the blame…Mcnabb was here for a long time! he was accomplished! he had contract security yet never allowed himself to step up and take blame for anything..

    When I saw FOles had game, it used to drive me insane how fans and writers treated him like crap in this city…but now that I see how he handled it, I’m actually glad this city made it so tough for him. Instead of breaking him, it motivated him…this kid is special, no doubts about it! he hasn’t even been here two years and it’s already evident that he has tougher skin then mcBABY..

    THIS TEAM is EVERYTHING that so many Andy Reid teams here Weren’t. We haven’t won a damn thing in this city…Not many teams I can say have made me more proud to root for then this one. I don’t even care what happens the rest of the year, this Team has already provided me with more magical experiences then the a last two years combine. What an entertaining year. just think of all the moments..FOles first start against Tampa! the Oakland massacre! the 9 minute drive to put away GB, the first big test,Arizona…and now The magical lions game. I was too young to remember the fog bowl, yesterday was MY fog bowl, and it was so special on so many levels..

    People underestimate FOles performance yesterday, but with all the BIGTIME established QBs that had to play in a snow storm yesterday, who had a better 2nd half then Nicky the saint?

    We are watching the beginning of something special.this year was all about laying the foundation of hit he next eagles era! and Chip and Howie sure built a heckuva foundation…

    So proud to have THIS team represent us…so many of us a ride and day, talk this team 365 days a year, hang on to every April quote we can get our hands on, and our loyalty has rarely been rewarded…I swear Chip,FOles,gamble and Howie make me feel like this is OUR reward for sitting thru the semi successful but so damn frustrating Andy era that lasted 5 years too long. I KNEW FOR a FACT that we had something better in place then most people thought. But I’d be a damn liar if I say ii expected THIS…it’s not really that I didn’t expect THIS, I just didn’t expect it THIS SOON..

    when I was praising the defense! FOles, Billy as the next DC this city will fall in love with, I expected it to be a rough, up and down year, having to take some lumps to learn…and that with around 6 games left, things would start to click and we would start to see rewards…This TEAM has been balling for over two months now…even the few players that I didn’t believe in like Nate,Celek these guys are all stepping up…what a SPECIAL TIME! you won’t forget what you saw yesterday. 50years from now, yesterday will still be referenced…just a special game in a special season!!

    • cliff henny

      i’m with you, last 3 games(hopefully 7) are all gravy for me. absolutely nothing they can do to sour season. today, am so relieved they won yesterday. nothing would have bothered me more than this team to go 10-6, lose out on a bunch of tie-breakers and miss playoffs because of 2 Barkley games and this snow toss-up game. hope lions win out, get their division.

      • GEAGLE

        I have no clue what happens in the playoffs, but i do KNOW that this team won’t lose another regular season game…I KNOW IT!!!…either way, playing with house money!!!

        • cliff henny

          might lose at Dallas, cause 3rd sead is wrapped up and resting starters. this is darn near must win for Cowboys tonight. No way will kelly even let a hint of a let-up in Minne (and why would they even risk AP), and shady might run for 300 against bears. for Dallas, GB is right back in thick of it, Rodgers will suit up against Dallas and lite them up. he might be rusty, but, him rusty is still top 5 qb. and at Washington, who knows. when your defense sux, every road game is possible L.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m not even sure that Big balls Chip and his sports science would even believe in letting up and resting starters….seems like a step on your throat type of coach…

            Hahah Chip must have been in heaven yesterday coaching in game where he didn’t have to kick and could go for 4th downs without any scrutiny…he musta been like a kid in the he candy store yesterday

          • cliff henny

            even if the game matters, by then, i wont even be worried. figure an oregon’esgue game, hang 50 by HT and starters resting mid 3rd. teams is so due for one of those.

          • GEAGLE

            Sounds about right lol

    • EaglePete

      and we lost the fog bowl, I remember it well I was a huuuge Randall fan in those early days, was not a happy day unlike this. Gotta agree with the win as a team mentalitly, awesome to be a fan of. Ive been bashing Avant lately, even Celek a few months back but both are blocking really well. Coop there it is, haha, thats good stuff.

      • GEAGLE

        Man, I been booking Celeks ticket out of town for almost two years now, and thought Nate was a dog that you couldn’t save who needed to be Euthanized….I LOVE being WRONG when it suits us!

        • cliff henny

          going to be a hard decision or 2. sounds like these guys love playing for kelly, it’s still a living for them but hopefully eagles get couple hometown/kelly discounts.

          • GEAGLE

            I would be shocked if they didn’t give us discounts…especially a veteran like Celek….To fans and media, letting him walk might be the way to go, but it will be one of those cases were our decision makers and coaches will view it drastically different, same with trying to upgrade our CBs..For a fan, it’s the sexy thing to do, but I promise our Front office and Chip will see it very different..

            Would you ever thought in all the times me and you talked offseason and contracts that Riley Friggin Cooper would be so crucial? Lol he literally has to be signed! we don’t even have a choice unless you want to trade FOles…they have built up too much chemistry to where you can NOT take Coop away from NICK, you just CANT….hopefully Coop doesn’t hold our balls to the financial fire

          • cliff henny

            hopefully guys like celek, peters, jax and ryans will take extensions/renego’s, and reduce cap numbers by 10-12m combined off of next year. no need for chung, casey, avant and benn, that clears 9m,. add the 19m carry and 3.5m sop got cleared, still 40+m area, and not even getting into june 1st’g 3 possibles in Herremanns, Cole and Graham.
            .
            what’s cooper max, a hartline contract, 5yrs 30m 12m guarn, and that’s without the concert deal. maclin should be really cheap. outside of Byrd, cant see any big name free agent need, and like ward or clemmons also.

          • GEAGLE

            Coop is in a weird position. I guess it would be Hartline money, but can he really afford to chase dollars risking how the next Locker room would receive him?

    • BirdGang

      Your love for Foles is crazy. He played a decent game yesterday and that was it. People need to stop praising players so much after a good year. RG3? I get that you like Foles…but geez calm down buddy.

      • GEAGLE

        And it took you til two weeks ago to realize we had more then just a backup QB….lol Yous have a lot of balls talking like IM the irrational one after how this season has played out…yes, I love having a special QB..sorry

        • BirdGang

          I never said he was a backup QB…I dont think i did haha. I have never been one to judge off of one season. Not even a full season. I understand that you are excited…But we have a special RB and I do not see his name running out of your mouth every time you post. This is a TEAM game…not the Foles show.

          • GEAGLE

            I didn’t have to listen to an ENTIRE friggin CITY treat our special young running back like trash….the kid passed yet ANOTHER test…how dare I be excited by his development…silly me….and in case you haven’t noticed, every game by are playing RIGHT NOT is a playoff game, why the hell would. Be excited that we still have playoff life?

            Btw, when I’m busy praising guys like Celek for wham blocks, and blocking Avant down field, you are busy talking about the obvious…shady had two hundred friggin yards in a blizzard, setting a franchise record…like what else needs to be said? And he didn’t do a damn thing before FOles passing opened it up, if you want to be honest about it..

            Out of all the great QBs who played in snow yesterday, name one who had a better game then OUR inexperienced kid? You have to have a pretty good second half to have a QB rating of almost 80 when it was only 10 at halftime

          • BirdGang

            And he didn’t do a damn thing before FOles passing opened it up, if you want to be honest about it…..
            ARE YOU CRAZY. I wont respond to that statement because it was the silliest thing i have heard all day.
            And yes I did see you give credit to BC and Avant…but I see you slurping Foles more. hahaha ok so who had it worse…Foles or DM. I remember when we drafted him he was booed? Was Foles?
            And as far as the games yesterday…Flacco stands out as someone that played better. Who else had crazy snow games? Big Ben played pretty well. Foles played average yesterday. He didnt win us that game…and he wasnt going to lose it for us.

          • GEAGLE

            Go listen to what shady, Chip or any of the linemen said and then you can go back and amend your statement..I didn’t read past, ARE you CRAZY to give you a fair chance to amend it before tearing you a new one lol

          • BirdGang

            You are a fool lol. Rip me a new one hahah. They said we went to more inside zone runs and the O line did a great job of opening up lanes.
            BUT…I noticed you didnt respond to anything else i said. haha So rank the order of games between Foles Flacco and Big Ben. Who had the best games and who had the worst.
            Oh and did Mcnabb not have it rough????

          • Adam

            Why does anyone give a damn about Big Ben or Flacco? Last time I checked they’re in the AFC and we don’t play them this year.

          • BirdGang

            Because he asked a question. Dont just jump into the convo with knowing what was said before. He asked the question who had a better game than Foles did in the snow.

          • GEAGLE

            And the answer certainly isn’t Flacco or BEn

          • BirdGang

            28/50 245 yd 3 td 3int

            23/39 349 yd 3 td 0int

            20/33 200 yd 3 td 1int

            11/22 179 yd 1 td 1 int

            Tell me who had the better games. But man GEagles I aint trying to hate or anything…I just think it is funny how much you LOVE Foles. All i am trying to say is lets relax on Foles…because you see what happened to RG3 or other QB’s that had one good year.

          • Adam

            What’s not to love about Foles? This is the best football we’ve seen in Philly in years and he’s playing lights out. Who cares about what might happen next year. What matters is RIGHT NOW and RIGHT NOW the Eagles are 8-5 and 1st place in the NFC East and Nick Foles is a big part of that. Stop being so butthurt that it’s not Vick and just enjoy the ride.

          • BirdGang

            Dude…if you are going to comment on something not intended for you please read up on the convo. I never said anything about next year. Never said Foles isnt balling. I never mentioned Vick in anything i said. Only thing i said was I dont see why people get so excited after one season.

          • Adam

            Because we haven’t made the playoffs since 2010? Haven’t had a 5 game winning streak since 2009? Why aren’t we allowed to get excited about the season we’re currently in? How does that even make sense.

          • GEAGLE

            And you are talking to someone who thinks Rg3 and kAp having success taking off after the first read as rookies is the same thing as what FOles is doing from the pocket…surgical pocket passers who can read defenses and go thru reads is very different Then rookie success of mobile QBs,,,you NEVER ONCE saw me drooling over RG3 after last year, why? Because I knew that THIS year he would have to develop the pocket passer part of his game…FOles doing it as a pocket passer is SOOO much kore impressive. I drooled over Luck and Wilson…but no one can find an archive that had me anointing RG3

          • Adam

            Let’s just put it this way, I don’t know many true Eagles fans who aren’t excited about this year, or who are thinking about next year. The only thing a real Eagles fan is worried about is whether the Bears can beat the Cowgirls tonight.

          • BirdGang

            You wrote the book on true fans? Like i said before who said anything about next year? And Na real fans arent worried about that game…because they know if we take care of business we will be in the playoffs.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude you are getting on people for appreciating the first successful football they have seen in years…this and benching FOles was the best debate we could come up with today? Really?

          • Andy124

            I don’t know many true Eagles fans who aren’t excited about this year, or who are thinking about next year. while simultaneiously extremely excited for next year
            ftfy

          • Adam

            Haha yes, sorry. I more meant worried about what Foles may or may not do next year.

          • GEAGLE

            My man!

          • GEAGLE

            Adam, this is a losing battle bud…you are talking to someone who saw snow in 3 games and thinks that all snow is created equal lol…I wasn’t even going to respond, but literally Dilfer at this moment is saying you can’t even compare the snow you saw in the other games with what happened in philly…as if I. Already didn’t know those QBs stats for yesterday before engaging in this debate smh

          • BirdGang

            But you cant aske me the question,Out of all the great QBs who played in snow yesterday, name one who had a better game then OUR inexperienced kid?” But when I give you answers your next reply is, “but literally Dilfer at this moment is saying you can’t even compare the snow you saw in the other games with what happened in philly.”
            Make you sound like a poor loser. hahaha.

          • Richard Colton

            Please, not the Flacco vs. Big Ben debate again.

          • BlindChow

            They’re okay, but neither of them will get you to a Super Bowl.

          • Andy124

            Too slow. Too tall.

          • GEAGLE

            FOles
            Flacco
            Mcnabb
            ..
            I didn’t respond to it because I literally didn’t read it…still havent lol…but you WILL read my every word lol…

          • BirdGang

            I think we all were learning to get our footing in the snow,” guard Evan Mathis said. “We started calling more downhill plays, inside zone runs that allowed the offensive line to keep their base, keep a downhill mentality. Same with the backs, allowing them to hit it. Then Shady was able to get to the second level and do his shifty stuff and make people miss.”

          • Andy124

            GEAGEL: And he didn’t do a damn thing before FOles passing opened it up, if you want to be honest about it…..

            BirdGang: ARE YOU CRAZY. I wont respond to that statement because it was the silliest thing i have heard all day.

            Chip Kelly: Kelly said the Birds’ ability to go up top helped open up the running game, which started to work after the 44-yard Riley Cooper catch.

    • FMWarner

      Wow, didn’t take more than a five game winning streak to bury McNabb? Foles, as excited as I am about him, hasn’t taken a tenth of what McNabb took from the fans here, and he never will. The kid’s playing great, but let’s not pretend he’s fighting through some kind of adversity. Any sane person that was subjected to what McNabb was subjected to would be a bit touchy.

  • GEAGLE

    Btw, this city and it’s writers are a complete JOKE. I PRAY that TM and SK weren’t part of the group of writers who were tweeting at halftime that we should switch to Vick…I really really hope not!!!

    When will this media get a clue?

    • southy

      To be fair, it didn’t look like passing the ball was a viable option for either team in the blizzard conditions. Putting in your “running” qb makes some sense IF you trust him to hold onto the football. Second half the snow let up a bit and both teams started passing more.

      • GEAGLE

        To be fair, it’s a smack in the face to your young QB who is THE ONLY REASON. You are enjoying this entertaining December run. His first sign f adversity, pulling him crosses your brains? Media needs to put that madden controler down and learn how NFL coaches and personel people think

        • GEAGLE

          Let’s put the MOST TURNOVER prone QB in the world, who hasn’t played or taken first team reps in weeks, into a BLIZZARD….GENIUS’S YOUS ARE!!!

          • Cyrus Robinson

            Eli Manning isn’t on the roster though?

          • Cyrus Robinson

            Seriously though, that is the one thing that would make me think twice about putting Vick in under those conditions. Stafford seemed like a bumbling fool with what, 5 snaps fumbled? Plus in hindsight, I’m glad Foles stayed in because I think it’s good he’s getting lots of glory. It’s good for the team, it’s good for him, it’s good for the future. This game really seems to have made the team gel to a whole new level. Putting Vick in, even if it could seem like a good idea, would have messed up the growing chemistry of the new Young Eagles. They fight through adversity. Yes, Vick is an Eagle, but he’s passed the torch. Definitely the best backup in the league though.

        • southy

          You’re not being very fair. It’s not a smack in the face to say “Nick, no one is going to throw it all over the yard in these conditions. We’re gonna put a running threat out there to get the numbers more in our favor in the run game.” Maybe that’s unconventional, but this is Chip Kelly.

          It doesn’t have to be Vick (notice I mentioned that you need to trust he can hold onto the ball). Put Smith out there; hell, Bryce Brown (if you trust HIM).

          In the end the conditions improved and sticking with Foles was the right call, but you don’t have to act like thinking about the possibility of going all-run game in a blizzard is an idiotic thought to have.

          • GEAGLE

            We are DEVELOPING a YOUNG INEXPERIENCED QB, sorry you don’t understand what that entails!!!…let’s replace him and put a turnover prone QB who relies on speed and running, into a blizzard lol…You are the one missing the point

          • southy

            Maybe I have more faith in his mental toughness than you do.

          • GEAGLE

            It’s not about my personal feelings, if I looked at it like a fan I would want probowlers at every position instead of defending we aren’t going to upgrade Cary and Brad…I’m telling you how an NFL coach looks at it, and I PROMISE you I’m right about this…you can look at it like a high school fan if you want…I don’t waste my time on my thoughts, I try to look at things thru our coaches and GMs eyes because their oppinion is the only one that matters and considering what I have predicted, it seems to serve me pretty well

          • southy

            That’s fine. But given the way Chip has approached things, you don’t think he feels like Foles is mentally tough enough to come out of a game where the conditions are so bad you won’t even kick an extra point? I think he does. I think if he really thought that they would be more likely to win the game doing it, he’d put a RB back there.

            He didn’t. And maybe that’s a good thing. But maybe even he entertained the thought.

          • GEAGLE

            NO, ii don’t think there is ANY SHOT in hell that the leader of THIS team gets benched at ANY POINT this year NO MATTER what happens…if I thought it was even a remote possibility, I wouldn’t be so disgusted by the notion….I wish one of these Braniac media members had he balls to ask Chip if he entertained that thought at halftime…even that embarrassment to football acumen Les Bowan wouldn’t have the balls to ask Chip that…it just doesn’t work that way….after what he has done, with NO experience, you let him fight thru it, THIS. FRANCISE has wasted enough time developing him…I promise you they are done wasting time with him…I guess it’s frustrating that after how god aweful wrong the Media’s offseason coverage of this team proved to be since Chip was hired, it’s dissapointing that they don’t seem to have learned much….I learned a ton from this coaching change..it’s the most I have grown in one offseason…craving info from this team, it’s frustrating…I don’t know what has to happen for our media to have a clue..I don’t know what I would do without the few good men like LAwlor, this site! Caplan…accurate Eagles coverage that isn’t polluting a rational brain is hard to come by…like I don’t even have the balls to turn on Mike miss after yesterday…

            Props to Kapadia, he knew we weren’t losing this week

          • southy

            You may need to conceptually separate the notions of getting benched for poor play and the strategic decision to adapt to the conditions.

            Benching a young QB and developing him etc etc is a different discussion altogether.

          • GEAGLE

            No offense, you need to get a clue…you do realize this is PHILLY and our inexperienced QB is from Arizona and Texas? If you don’t let him play this game, get this experience, wtf are you gona do? Bench him every time it snows? When will he get better at playing in the snow if you don’t let him do it? Or are you under the impression that this wil be the last time it snows in philly? I can’t even believe I’m debating this…yesterday was too awesome to be talking this nonsense, you win. I concede.bench FOles every time it snows. Problem solved

          • southy

            I have never seen 8 inches of snow fall on a field in 4 hours during a football game in Philly. Have you? When?

          • GEAGLE

            I told you, you win….next time hopefully we go with a turnover prone QB who relies on speed, who hasn’t played in weeks, to run around in 8 inches of snow…I’m on board. I agree, you win…you literally brought up starting Brad smith at halftime over Nick….like how do I even answer that?

          • southy

            …by maybe acknowledging that the conditions on the field Sunday were unique enough to warrant using unconventional tactics, at least during the white-out first half, but still holding the opinion that it was the right call to keep Foles in the game. It’s easy really. You don’t have to resort to ad hominem attacks or anything.

          • FMWarner

            You can’t debate shades of meaning with someone who is utterly convinced that everything is either Christmas morning or the apocalypse.

          • BirdGang

            haha Southy…dont waste your time debating with this guy. He is in LOVE with foles. He would prob want Foles over Wilson right now hahah.

          • southy

            Probably right, though I am a big Foles fan myself. Dunno about Wilson – he looks like a magician at home but is a different cat away from Seattle.

          • GEAGLE

            Start the second half with Bruce smith at QB? That’s when I CHECK OUT of this convo…you are absolutely right. Hopefully FOles gets pulled for smith next time…you clearly don’t get the difference between QBs and the other positions on the team..hahaha yeah FOles played well because the conditions improved. Gotcha

          • Adam

            Not sure I agree with your thought process. The problem with the run game in first half was because:

            A) We were trying too many outside runs and stretch plays. The lineman had no luck getting footing, and neither did Shady or DeSean. Not sure how Vick could have done any better. Unless Vick is running between the tackles, you’re going to have to have designed roll out runs. I highly doubt they would have worked in those conditions and were a recipe for disaster.

            B) We couldn’t throw the ball well because of the weather. If you put Vick in you’re either telegraphing that you’re running every play or you’re going to have to ask him to throw the ball at least a few times. No practice reps with the starters, coming off the bench cold, in those conditions… no thanks.

            The only way you can justify benching a QB who is coming off a record breaking stretch is if he’s turning the ball over. Nothing indicates that Vick would have had any more success in those conditions. I really don’t think putting Vick in there ever crossed Chip’s mind, because the issue wasn’t with Foles as much as it was with playing calling. Switching o runs inside, coupled with Foles passing success, is what let us get back into the game.

          • GEAGLE

            Turnover Vick, cold off the bench, in a Blizard, when running to the outside doesn’t work? Yikes

          • southy

            Now there’s a reasonable reply.

            You’re making good points. Foles’ started passing better in part because the snow let up in the second half. If the white-out conditions continued, we may have been doing ourselves less of a favor by continuing to try to pass the ball than we would have admitting that we’re going to have to run the ball, but putting a runner under center, in essence going to an old school attack because of the conditions. At the time it didn’t look like trying to pass the ball with ANYONE was going to work.

            I’m not even saying it would have been the right move, just that it’s not the height of stupidity to contemplate going that way.

          • Adam

            I rewatched the game last night, and while Foles did struggle to pass at times, I think the receivers deserve some of the blame too (which is also probably due to the weather). There were some catchable balls thrown to a few of the guys, and whether it was due to visibility or numb extremities, they couldn’t bring em in.

          • southy

            That’s exactly what I’m saying though. It’s NOT about Foles. It’s about whether a passing game can work as a viable strategy in those conditions.

          • GEAGLE

            So should stafford have been benched and Megatron gone in at QB at halftime? Kinda like benching FOles for Brad smith?..I’m sure the lions have a former QB playing WR on their roster…why not bench stafford who only put up. 8 points all game? The leader of your team want get benched as easy as you seem to think….this franchise is DONE taking game experience away from Nick…Cam Newton has 40 games under his belt, like I don’t even think you understand what you are seeing with Nick…this isn’t flash in the pan kAp or RG3 having success as rookies running around like chickens with their heads cut off…this is a kid putting in surgical work from the pocket at a level we shouldn’t even be seeing before he has 30 games Under his belt…that kid is DONE getting game experience taken away from him

          • southy

            Aside from the one long throw to Tron, they were in the same boat. Maybe they should have put Ross under center lol.

          • GEAGLE

            You think handlng snaps in a blizzard are just automatic? Anyone can do it? Practice doesn’t matter? Smith is 0 for 1 handling snaps in pristine conditions…

            I knew we would win yesterday because we are a well coached team and they are Undiscaplined which means they also probably aren’t in better shape then us…you don’t even hear me talk about Nick throwing 7 TDs when we debate, I don’t even care about that, I care how he runs this team! and how he doesn’t turn the ball over….just look at the mistakes the experienced stafford was making…
            .
            Not beating ourselves is ne of our biggest strengths…FOles had 1 int, didn’t lose any fumbles in a blizzard. Once to became the snow bowl, the team to make the less mistakes was going to win..and THATS why someone so responsible with the rock wasn’t getting benched yesterday..we went on to only commit one penalty all game..we don’t overcome two ST TDs if Barwin and Cgdd Thornton don’t force those fumbles and the lions score twice early

          • southy

            That’s a perfectly legitimate reason to not go to Vick or Smith or anyone else. I’m surprised you didn’t say that earlier.

          • Adam

            If that’s the case, you keep going with the Foles hand-offs. Even if your motives are purely strategical, it’s a big vote of non confidence to take Foles out after his record breaking streak and how well he’s been playing. The only way I see Vick adding to the running game is if the conditions got better, in which case Foles would have been able to throw the ball.

          • southy

            That is fair. I tend not to buy the “NFL QBs are fragile little snowflakes” argument as much as most. And in this instance it has nothing to do with whether he is your starting QB, and I think it would be easy for him to understand that, in the same way that he shouldn’t have his confidence shattered when we pulled the “wildcat” play against AZ.

          • Adam

            The assumption you’re making here would be that Foles feels taking himself out of the game would be the better choice. I don’t think we can say that. Pulling a guy for a play is a completely different beast than pulling a guy because you don’t feel he puts the team in the best position to win. That’s, as I said earlier, a vote of non-confidence IMO. if he’s your guy he’s your guy, sun rain sleet or snow. If not then he’s not. Not to mention the can of worms you open with the media who will run wild with that narrative.

          • southy

            Well, sort of. The assumption I’m making is that he is reasonable enough to understand a coaching move based on strategy, enough to not affect his ability to play QB when called upon. Foles would straight up admit to not being the best option in a rushing attack, I think.

            The media would go nuts, but whatever. It’s really not that big of a deal, it just bugs me when people automatically assume that contrasting ideas MUST be idiotic.

            I actually find the idea that QBs must be coddled and reassured in a way that no other athlete has to in order for them to play well to be a much more interesting subject. Maybe for another time.

          • GEAGLE

            Hopefully a reporter has the audacity to ask Chip that question

          • Andy124

            Thank you for making my point on why Vick should not be brought back next year as a backup.

            Thoughts like this after just one slow half and people start looking for excuses to put Vick back in the game. Ugh. The scary thing is, I can’t put it past some of his teamates who idolize him to have the same, broken thought process.

            Has there EVER been a passing of the torch where the passer stuck around to back up the passee?

            Montana, Favre, McNabb, Bledsoe, Manning, they all moved one when they got replaced. Not that Vick is near the quarterback those guys were, but he was the unquestioned leader in the locker room like those guys were.

          • GEAGLE

            Sad but true…you can’t have a good backup in this city because people don’t know how to act,,,that’s a shame, cuz I would love to have him on the bench and not bring up His name unless FOles got injured…smh

          • southy

            You’re both thinking that the Philly media was pulling a “bench Foles! He sucks!” move. Maybe that is true. But in this situation there could have actually been a different logic altogether that had to do with the uniqueness of the game conditions and not with whether or not Foles sucks.

          • GEAGLE

            FOles threw a bomb in a Blizard….problem solved

          • southy

            Fully agree there.

          • EaglePete

            was this whole convo hypothetical anger over hypothetical options. Must have run out things to talk about

    • Cyrus Robinson

      Honestly I thought the same thing. Not as a disrespect to Foles, but more as respect for the weather. In the same blizzard like conditions of the first half, Vick would have been better to have behind center because passing was impossible. In the first half, the game was being won on the ground, and Vick is obviously a big help to the running game. However, since the weather let up, Foles was able to do his thing again through the air. I think if the blizzard had kept up and the passing game continued to stall, we’d have seen more Vick or Brad Smith in the backfield to try to bolster the running game.

      • Adam

        Where was Vick going to run? The problem with running in the first half was because Chip was trying to run the ball outside, and the lineman and Shady couldn’t get their footing to stretch the play out. If Shady couldn’t do it, Vick wouldn’t have done any better.

      • southy

        I guess you and I both need to get a clue lol

      • GEAGLE

        Less turnovers in a game like yesterday was the most important part…thus FOles is still the best option on your roster..

        You needed to find out that he could play in these elements, you can’t make a judgment after a half, especially when his ball placement started to become pretty on point during the second quarter but coop wasn’t catching them….benching FOles woulda meant a lot of fumbled snaps

  • EaglePete

    On a side note, was anyone else like me, screaming at their TV in a fit for the first quarter plus. Of course in hindsight, all for nothing and was a sweet victory. I just was not liking the play calling with all the throwing and was screaming to just run it up the middle but they kept trying to be cute with screen throws etc. Then Shady and Djax running east/west a bunch and losing yards thinking they could cut and accelerate. Oh and the 2 flags on Detroit on that 2nd scoring drive I think it was were horrendous. Being objective, that was not even close to a late hit, then a phantom hold call on Suh. I dont mind though, when they scored 2 st TDs I thought it wasnt looking good. They are a resilient bunch, gotta love it. Cmon Bears lets have another Romo December for the holidays. This win can only add to the pressure for Romo. Foles is da man as is CK. Oh and ya, Shady is not too shabby eh. Just incredible running and cutting in those conditions, unreal with huge props to Oline against those defenders. Dont think I heard Ansahs name all game long, maybe once early.

    • GEAGLE

      Ansah? Hahahah a dude was like the Jamaican bob sledders in cool runnings when they saw snow for the first time yesterday!!! He is MIA on Milk Boxes all across Detroit today…

    • BlindChow

      Dogs and cats all over Philly were cowering under their owners’ tables during that first half I bet.

      • Maggie

        My dog went running to hide when the first touchdown was scored and I started to YeeHaw in the livingroom. It happened a couple more times too!

        • Andy124

          Must have been all those inches got you excited. :)

  • jabostick

    What a game! The D saved the offense and then the offense saved special teams. Props to Foles for hanging in and getting it figured out. And Shady F*%$in McCoy!! That was fun to watch

  • PhiEagles14

    Nothings an easy win, I think everyone in their right mind knows that… based on trends, I just can’t see the eagles losing for the rest of the year, it seems as if it will be one of those stories at the end of the year… you know what I mean? one of those “guess who has won 8 games in a row?” kinda stories… Chip has turned around this team and city. I personally never thought we would be in a playoff race at this point of the year… kinda funny how everyone called us the NFCleast and how bad our division is… cough cough look at the NFC North… best record there is 7-6. ( I know there are better teams in that division) Just funny how things change over the course of 1 season… It’s mind boggling to think this is just year one… really is, can’t wait to see what happens in the future, but for now lets hold on to this and enjoy the ride! GO BIRDS!!!!

  • EaglefaninAZ

    My second favorite Eagles game ever! The chemistry on this team is amazing, and not just because of the smoothies, :)

    • Scott J

      What’s in those smoothies and where can I get one!

    • Andy

      Is this your favorite?

      • EaglefaninAZ

        Actually my favorite was the Body Bag game. Lol… this one was special too. Coughlin is such a wanker.

        • Warhound

          Body Bag game was great but I love the House of Pain game in Houston even more.

  • Justin

    You know, I said a long time ago (Think it was like week 4-5) that we weren’t winning the Super Bowl this year. I still think it unlikely, because it looks like the road has to go through Seattle and their unending holds that don’t seem to get called enough, but I’ll say this: This team is closer to winning it than I thought we would be when I was calling to see what we had in Foles.

    • GEAGLE

      I don’t fear Seattle as much as I should, considering I’m such a huge admirer or them…I think we match up better with them then people think…of course I’m not crazy enough to actually want to go play in Seattle..

      They have weak offensive tackles who are suspect
      ..
      our run defense holds everyone in check, and that Seattle line won’t be good enough to make BEASTMODE be the one back that goes crazy on us..
      ,..
      I’m in the middle of watch Cary and Brad hold their own against Fitz/Floyd, Calvin/Burleson, Marshall/Jeffries! Jennings/Cordarell and Dez/Williams…why in the world would I fear Seatles WRs?
      ..
      The only team I really fear is denver

      • Justin

        I’m more concerned that Seattles CBs tend to get away with way too many holds (Sherman is throwing a tantrum about the refs who would DARE to flag him for holding) and their stadium being rigged to project noise onto the field. Then again, we use those play call signs don’t we? So the noise ought not to be a factor, right?

        • GEAGLE

          Good point….the only thing that would be our saving grace if we had to face Seattle is that we don’t shoot ourselves in the foot and we don’t turn the ball over…if our offense can not turn it over against THAT defense who has been accustomed to getting those TO, then that becomes a winnable game for us…

          Tell you one thing, I would fear them much less if they TY had to come to philly

          • Justin

            There isn’t an NFC team that looks like they’ll make the playoffs that worries me if they have to come to Lincoln Financial Field. What a change that is from earlier in the season when we couldn’t win at home.

          • GEAGLE

            Right…sounds crazy considering we didn’t win a game in a year, but it has become reality

          • cliff henny

            be great if this core group got a taste of playoff football. wouldnt even bother me losing at SEA or NO this yr. kelly would just use it as additional focus to get the 1 overall sead. it really is a crime that Eagles lost to the Panthers and Buccs back in the day.

          • GEAGLE

            That playoff experience would just be huge for us..not just for Chip n FOles, but so many of our chore young guys haven’t tasted success or playoff intensity before this year…even losing a playoff game would be so valuable to us right now

        • BlindChow

          False starts can be an issue with the noise.

          But one of the reasons Seattle struggled against Tampa was the officials calling pass interference. Their CB’s have a very hard time covering if they’re not allowed to be all over the WR’s

      • Maggie

        Don’t worry about Denver. They have Peyton, so will lose in first or second round of AC playoffs.

        • GEAGLE

          Thanks for the awesome analysis…I can take Denver out of my worries now..

      • OregonDucker

        Our coach is better. Pete Carroll fears Chip, not the other way around. In 2009 Chip beat down Pete – final score 47-20.

    • cliff henny

      c-wills and fletch like to hold just as much…only difference is ours will be on field, not on drug suspension.

      • nicksaenz1

        Nice!

    • FMWarner

      I feel much the same way. I don’t think the Eagles stand much of a chance playing on the road in either Seattle or New Orleans, but I never thought before the season that this was a thing we’d be talking about.

  • Scott J

    Great point Foles made. A game like this can really help bond teammates.

    • BlindChow

      You know what else can help bond teammates? Glue.

      • Andy124

        Duct Tape

        • Warhound

          Velcro?

          • Andy124

            Barry White and mood lighting?

  • Andy124

    Though if any team in the league had a weather machine, it would be this one.
    I love that this is so full of truthiness.

  • EaglePete

    I loved it when the ref announced, we cannot see the goal line. Hilarious.

  • Wilbert31

    My favorite change this season is the in-game adjustments! Can’t express enough what an awesome feeling it is to get outplayed for a half, then come out in the 2nd and turn the tables – bye Andy! Thank You Chip!
    The second is how WRs aren’t being led into defenders anymore. Vick literally killed guys like Celek and Avant, a couple times a game on occasion. Oh and Djax in that Atlanta game.
    Thank You Nick!

  • Andy124

    Looking ahead, we should be favored in all of our games the rest of the way.
    Minnesota is playing better lately, but still isn’t very good. Their defense has been terribad this year, but it is a home game for them and all three of their wins have come at home. This will be Nick’s first time (this year) playing in a dome. Could the noise throw him off? Just another made-up check-box for the media to check-off next Monday.

    Chicago is only 3-6 after starting the year on a hot streak and they have to come to Philly. They’ve been much better at home this year.

    Dallas is in December now, their defense is no good and we’re 5-1 on the road so going to Dallas doesn’t mean much.

    I’m am in total disbelief that it will take an upset for us not to finish the regular season with 11 wins and a 3-seed in the playoffs. I’m guessing GB will have to win the north to get in, so I don’t there there’s a 6-seed we wouldn’t be favored against.

    • EaglePete

      and bonus, maybe no AP either, that will help.

      • Andy124

        Eh. There’s not much dropoff from him to their backup…

        • Marilyn Monbroe

          Not much dropoff? Really?

          • Andy124

            There’s no “sarcasm font” on this site. But even if there was, it really shouldn’t be necessary for a statement like that. :)

          • GEAGLE

            Someone always bites

      • BlindChow

        Teams’ leading rushers are clearly terrified of playing us, and fake injuries accordingly.

        • Andy124

          3 in a row right? Weird.

        • nicksaenz1

          Didn’t even put that together. That’s great.

  • TNA

    I think recovering from playing in the snow will be really key this week. Huls and staff have their work cut out for them. Even though Shady said that hits hurt a lot less because of the snow, I’ll bet the players’ cores, hips and legs are going to be sore because they were constantly compensating (using muscles they don’t usually use) to perform under the conditions. I also wonder what the deal was with Cole missing so many snaps – hope it’s not a nagging thing because he was starting to get really going.

    Also, kudos to Chung on a good game in which he didn’t pick off any of his own players and recovered a fumble. He took a lot of heat the previous week and it’s good to see that he was working in tandem with the entire defense to limit the DET receivers and Bell coming out of the backfield. Still, I hope Wolff is getting close to providing more competition in that safety spot.

    • GEAGLE

      Yeah I been thinking about that all morning. Hopefully we won’t have anyone fighting the flue all week, when recovering from that game will be tough enough without illness

      • TNA

        Well, if anyone gets the flu or a “cold” it won’t necessarily be because they played in cold weather. Being in cold weather may lower your immune system defenses, but isn’t the direct reason you get the flu virus or rhinovirus (“common cold”).

        • GEAGLE

          Not in a position to speak on it, so I will have to hope you are right that we don’t have to worry about illness after yesterday

          • Justin

            I’d be more worried for Megatron. Cary made him eat snow.

          • GEAGLE

            God I want a pic of that…looked like he gave him a a wedgie, then a noogie followed by a swirly, titty twister, being forced to lick dog crap and then having his face slammed into the snow

          • Justin

            Will a gif work?

            http://twitpic.com/do1t58

          • GEAGLE

            You made my day

  • TNA

    This was the latest in a string of TEAM wins. But in terms of individual shout outs (that aren’t being mentioned, like the O-Line, Shady, DBs), I’d say that James Casey and Barwin had significant impact. Casey delivered several very effective wham blocks (coming across the line and blowing up the uncovered rusher) that opened up several huge holes – none bigger than the one he created on Polk’s TD.
    Barwin – when he wasn’t rushing or covering the RB/TE – did a great job taking out the quick hit slant play that Stafford loves to throw to C.Johnson. On a few plays, he stood up Megatron right at the line and totally disrupted Stafford’s timing. I don’t think Stafford-Johnson completed even one slot-slant play all game. That’s probably one of the toughest plays to defend against and usually very effective for the Lions.
    One other shout out to Celek – his block on the defensive backs on Foles’ scramble for a 1st down was impressive (and hilarious) to watch – it looked like it took Foles 10 seconds to run those 10 yards and Celek was just blowing the poor defenders backwards 5 yards at a time. I use plural on defenders because it looked like he was blocking two guys. I think they eventually separated a bit so that he ended up just blocking one of them (and the other guy ended up squeezing Foles towards the sideline).

    • GEAGLE

      Good stuff man

  • Warhound

    Yeah, Yeah, Yeah!!!!! Woo Hoo!!!!!

  • Max Lightfoot

    I only saw the second half as I was at church, but wow – what a second half! Shady, Foles, the O-line and the defense were just magnificent. And the Lions’ Snow Follies was just peerless as pure comic entertainment. Go Eags!

    • BlindChow

      Looks like church worked!