What They’re Saying About the Eagles

From Jaws’ QB rankings to predictions for Sunday’s game, here’s a roundup of what the national media are saying about the Eagles.

ESPN’s Ron Jaworski has Nick Foles 18th in his QB rankings:

What’s really impressive is that if you look at Chip Kelly’s offense, it’s not a check-down, dink-and-dunk passing game. The Eagles are aggressive downfield. They have 61 pass completions of 20 yards or more, the most in the NFL this season. Add that context and it’s even more impressive that he hasn’t thrown an interception. If he continues to do that, the Eagles will go to the playoffs. But a clunker like he posted against Dallas could end their season really quickly.

Peter King of TheMMQB.com will be keeping an eye on Eagles-Lions this weekend:

The Lions-Eagles and Cowboys-Bears are must-watch games with playoff implications. Nick Foles has Philly on fire, having won four straight to match Dallas’ 7-5 record. The Eagles would love to see the desperate Bears knock off the Cowboys, allowing them (with a win) to move into sole possession of first place in the East. The Lions, fresh off their Turkey Day bludgeoning of the Packers, are eager to distance themselves from the Bears in the North, and the Cowboys wouldn’t shed a tear to see the Eagles lose. Really looking forward to seeing how these scenarios play out.

Elliot Harrison of NFL.com thinks the Eagles escape with a 30-27 victory:

Not sure I’ve ever typed this, but the key matchup in this one just might be the officiating crew vs. everybody. This is not to tar and feather the officials; rather, I’m acknowledging that how they call this game could determine the outcome. Will they let the Lions’ front four get away with some extracurriculars? Nick Foles is the kind of quarterback who looks intimidate-able (that’s our second word in this blurb that isn’t a word, but oh well). Some people look at Philly as a finesse team — will the Detroit defense attempt to cement that image? Then there are the Eagles’ defensive backs, who — as even the most ardent Philly fan would have to admit — got away with some serious illegal contact against Arizona on Sunday. We’re all for “letting ‘em play,” i.e., we’re not being negative. But really, what about the officials? Will they let defenders put their hands on Calvin Johnson? Hmmm. Taking the home team here.

Andy Benoit of TheMMQB.com offers a preview of Sunday’s matchup:

Offenses like to attack Detroit’s fast-flowing zone defense with misdirection concepts. Tactics like wind-back runs, receiver end-around handoffs, quick play-action rollouts and screen passes are great ways to punish defenders for their speed and aggression. As it so happens, misdirection concepts make up the bulk of Chip Kelly’s hurry-up system. As long as Philly’s interior O-line can survive against the increasingly dominant duo of Ndamukong Suh-Nick Fairley, LeSean McCoy and tight ends Brent Celek and Zach Ertz will post good numbers.

Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com has the Lions, 35-30:

This has the makings of a big­time shootout. Both teams are top­10 in passing and both are bad defending the pass. Look for big numbers from Nick Foles and Matt Stafford. In the end, I think Stafford and Calvin Johnson get the best of it. Lions take it in an upset.

Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk goes with the Eagles, 30-24:

Philly continues to make a push toward an unlikely playoff berth, with an unlikely franchise quarterback. Detroit didn’t get it done last month in Pittsburgh; the Eagles are even better than the Steelers.

Evan Silva of Rotoworld likes the Lions, 30-27:

A week after dropping 115 total yards on Arizona’s top-four run defense, LeSean McCoy will square off with Detroit’s top-three group as Chip Kelly’s virtually unstoppable run game meets the Lions’ immovable defensive front. Over its last six games, Detroit has stymied enemy running backs for 228 scoreless yards on 108 carries (2.11 YPC). The Lions haven’t allowed a rushing TD since Week 4.

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  • GEAGLE

    Mid 3rd quarter the game will be 28-17
    Lions come roaring back and get two TDs late
    If the eagles stall in the 4th, they lose this one…but that won’t be the case. FOles will lead us to a 4th quarter TD which will be enough to win 35-31

  • DirtyWaters

    Sorry Jaws, no room on the Chip Wagon for you. You’re one of “them” now.

    • theycallmerob

      i mean, good lord! i don’t know a soul with espn’s insider access, but I’d love to know what 17 QBs in the NFL are playing better than Foles right now. Especially considering: ……………… (love you, 7)

      • DirtyWaters

        Ha, I read it as 8th. 18? C’mon. Is it because he hasn’t played a full season? What more do they want the kid to do? Beat Dallas? Yeah, me too.

      • GEAGLE

        Lol SOOO true, I don’t know anyone that pays for that “insider” crap either….17QBs better than FOles? Hahah let me guess, kAp,RG3, Luck…you know. They guys with names who will NEVER play as well as FOles played this year

        • theycallmerob

          Geags, that’s 3. I’ll spot you 4 more- Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers. Who are the next 10??? Big Ben is better all of a sudden? What is this, 2006? Can’t still be Carson, right? McCown? Eli?? Romo??? wtf

          • GEAGLE

            Lol dude who knows what slop they put in front of him…basically they think he is only better than 12 QBs hahahahaha fools

      • Shane Brown

        P manning
        Brady
        Rodgers
        Brees
        Roethlisberger
        Flacco
        Luck
        Romo
        Rivers
        Wilson
        Ryan
        E manning
        Stafford
        Newton
        Smith
        Dalton
        Kaepernick
        Foles

        • GEAGLE

          Is this really the list? What a joke

        • theycallmerob

          thanks man.
          but wow…..has he watched Flacco or Ryan this year? and Eli????? I want what Jaws is smoking

          • GEAGLE

            dalton? Haha Ryan? Wtf have they don’t this year? Rodgers on the bench is better than Nick?…sorry, but the great Tom Brady is NOT playing better than Nick…take Brady’s best 6 games and compare them to Nicks and it’s not even close…the only QBs who 6 best games compare with Nicks are Peyton and maybe Brees

          • Media Mike

            Eli, the turnover king!

          • BlindChow
          • theycallmerob

            meh. the watch can be stopped by a cloudy day. Eli is stopped by a good defense and helmets without stickum. not impressed.

          • Andy124

            His turnovers are.

          • BlindChow

            It’s only because his new watch is weighing down his throwing arm.

          • Brennan Hildebrandt

            Isn’t it one of those bracelets that help your balance?

          • JofreyRice

            It is a nice watch.

        • DirtyWaters

          Shane Brown, Insider. Can you send me his article after Week 1 when he flip flops on everything he said about Chip during the off season…after one game.

          • Shane Brown

            “Like most fans, I was excited for the debut of “Monday Night Football” — but even more so for the regular-season debut of Chip Kelly’s highly touted offense. From my first glimpse, I was riveted.

            It’s pretty rare that a massive schematic change instantly impacts the NFL, but Monday was one of those instances. If I write a sequel to my book (“The Games That Changed the Game”) the Eagles’ win over the Redskins would get its own chapter.

            In the aftermath, we’ve spent a week digesting the speed (83 offensive snaps) and effectiveness (443 total yards) of the new-look Eagles offense. But the question we keep coming back to is whether this offense is sustainable. I’m an old-school guy, and I’ll admit that my first reaction to whether a college strategy can succeed in the NFL is to doubt it. When it comes to the schemes Kelly showed off Monday, though, I think this offense can absolutely have sustained success in the National Football League — although that comes with a caveat.”

          • Shane Brown

            “This past offseason, I spent some time with TCU head coach Gary Patterson, a great defensive mind who’s seen a lot of the same principles Kelly employed at Oregon at the college level. Patterson broke down the art of play calling this way: A good staff will be able to break down tape and be able to confuse a defense or exploit an opponent’s weaknesses about 50 percent of the time. When the defense takes its formation, you gain a little more information, and with the right quarterback — think Tom Brady or Peyton Manning — an audible at the line can run a play into an optimal look. Now your odds of success are up to about 70 percent. But when you snap the ball and see the defense set in motion, you gain even more information.

            It’s at this point that an offense is best positioned to act on that information because now the defense is committing. And that commitment is precisely what the versatility of Kelly’s offense seeks to exploit. Execute in these circumstances and the offense can be nearly unstoppable — as we saw in the first half Monday.

            If you look at the first four plays of the Eagles’ first drive and the first four plays of the Eagles’ second drive, you’ll see the same play. Of course, in execution, they were all different, but they all started the same.

            When Michael Vick stands behind center he doesn’t know what the play call will be. He’ll start making reads at the line, but even when the ball hits his hands, he still doesn’t know where it’s going to end up. That’s all by design.

            Breaking down the film, on each of these plays I thought Vick had at least five options:

            • Hand the ball to LeSean McCoy
            • Throw a pop pass to a Brent Celek over the middle
            • Throw a bubble screen to one of his wide receivers
            • Hit a receiver downfield on a conventional pass route
            • Keep it and run it himself

            Just like a pocket passer works through his progressions, Vick worked through his options after the snap.

            Initially I thought Redskins linebacker London Fletcher was out of position throughout those first two drives. In reality, it was just Kelly’s scheme making him pick his poison. Watching from NFL Films’ end zone camera, you can see two plays that perfectly demonstrate this.

            On the second play of the game, Vick holds the ball into McCoy’s body and watches Fletcher’s reaction. As the linebacker breaks on the running back, Vick pulls the ball out and hits Celek with a pop pass in the area just vacated by Fletcher — 28-yard gain for the Eagles. Two plays later, Vick works the same action with McCoy, Fletcher recognizes the previous play and drops to cover Celek — opening a big lane for McCoy to pick up 6 yards.

            You’ll often here commentators and coaches talking about a “multiple” offense. Kelly’s offense is the definition of that. The scheme creates options for Vick on every down — he just needs to choose the right one. In Monday’s first half, quite literally the only person who could contain this offense was Vick. In reviewing the film, I thought he missed three different receivers for what would have been sure touchdowns. If you think this debut generated a lot of buzz, just imagine what it would have been like if the Eagles hadn’t left 21 points on the field!”

          • Shane Brown

            “We’re obviously working off a small sample of one game, and defensive coaches will be breaking down this debut in detail going forward. In fact, we already saw some improvement just between halves Monday night. (I’m not sure what the Washington corners were doing starting the game with a 12-yard cushion on Philly’s receivers.) But the basic tenets of the offense can succeed in the long run because at its core it creates mismatches and situations where the defense can’t take away every available option. The fact that it figures to trap and exhaust defensive personnel on the field due to its speed is just the nail in the coffin.

            But before we start thinking of the Eagles in the same light as the ’72 Dolphins, there are still questions Philly must answer.

            [+] Enlarge

            Kim Klement/USA TODAY SportsWould Chip Kelly’s offense be as impressive with Nick Foles running the show?

            First, can Vick continue to make the right reads — especially if defenses start to generate pressure against him? Last season there were times when I thought Vick wasn’t seeing plays develop. His look was muddy and it was particularly true when the pocket began to break down. The problem manifested itself in the form of 10 interceptions in 10 games last season. To my eye, Vick looked very comfortable Monday night, completing 15 of 25 passes for 203 yards and two TDs. He missed some open receivers, but by and large he looked sharp. If he can continue to just play to that level, we’ve seen how effective this offense can be.

            The larger question is health. Vick hasn’t exactly been an iron man — playing over 13 games just four times in his previous 10 seasons — and Monday night we saw him take more hits than he should if he wants to finish the season. Vick was knocked to the ground 15 times Monday and was contacted eight additional times. That’s too much. And I’m sure the Eagles could do without him setting blocks for McCoy’s cutbacks.

            I watched backup Nick Foles execute this offense to a lesser degree in preseason and I believe he’s capable of succeeding in this same scheme — though he’s obviously not nearly the run threat Vick is. The Eagles are a little deeper at running back with Bryce Brown, but they’ll want to scale back McCoy as well from 31 carries, I’d imagine. I believe the Eagles can continue to win if their starters miss time, but I’d also expect some diminishing returns”

          • Shane Brown

            Lets pray i dont get busted for copyright infringement or any crap like that lol

          • Shane Brown

            and make sure you read those posts in the right order.

            1. Like most fans . . .
            2. This past offseason . . .
            3. We’re obviously working off a small sample . . .

        • GEAGLE

          Shane, you are better off paying me that money, or donating it to Tom LAwlor :)

          • Shane Brown

            I only get it for ESPN magazine. I used to have a prescription to the magazine but then when i found out insider was the same price AND you get the magazine, i decided to do that. But youre right, T law is definitely more worth the money than the crap they write at ESPN

        • Media Mike

          Eli Manning, and all of New York / North Jersey / etc. IS TRASH!

        • Media Mike

          Kaepernick is one read and run garbage as well. Just ask Greg Cosell. He just tore Kaep and RGKnee new one’s on Ross Tucker’s show the other morning.

          • GEAGLE

            I been saying that for two years…RG3 can’t go thru 3 reads to save his life…

            Athleticism STUNTS THE GROWTH of QBs, which is WHY THEY DONT WIN SUPERBOWLS!!! Pocket QBs cant lean on athleticism to get out of trouble, so they are forced to develop their accuracy and QB brain….it’s not that running QBs can’t win SB, it’s because of that running ability, they weren’t forced to develop the QB skills needed to win a SB..
            ..
            FYI, please don’t list Wilson as a running QB, he is a pocket QB with speed like Aaron Rodgers…Wilson doesn’t take off like Cam,kAp,RGme…he uses his legs to buy time so that he can shred you like a traditional QB

          • Media Mike

            Greg Cossell said the exact same thing the other morning!

          • GEAGLE

            Smart man lol…Cossell,Caplan are probably the only peoples who’s opinion is worth letting into or brains. Mayock is good at draft time….Kapadia is becoming pretty good as well. he was always good at braking down what happened but now his prediction game is improving…I been on Fire prediction wise these past 10 games

            Adam Caplan knows we are beating the lions..

          • Marilyn Monbroe

            Before Cunningham got hurt, he was near the top in passing stats, and still killed teams with his legs. Steve young was the best athletic qb of all time, and it’s scary to admit, but russel wilson looks just like him.

          • Always Hopeful

            Fran Tarkenton 2.0

        • TNA

          Not saying I agree with these rankings but they’re Jaws’ evaluation of QBs. Including historical performance beyond this season.

      • Johnny Domino

        “So Siri, what are you wearing?”

    • Dr Rick

      I liked Jaws a lot more as a QB than a commentator. The above comments from him are from the same guy who said there were no NFL passing concepts in Philly, now he acts like he knew it all along. I’d like it better if he would just say, “I was wrong.”

      • Andy124

        IIRC, he left himself a pretty reasonable out on that one, saying that the Oregon offense didn’t have those concepts and he’d have to add them. The presence of Shurmur and Kelly’s comments about the offense being a combination of all those offensive minds make it pretty easy to sell that those concepts have been added here in Philly.

        • DirtyWaters

          What bothers me are the journalist, bloggers and commenters that made their assumptions in the off season before a down of football was even played. Yes, past actions dictate future performance but give the guy a chance. Everyone pretended to know what Chip Kelley wanted for a QB, even though there was plenty documentation about his wants (accuracy, large hands, intelligence). “Kelly wants a mobile QB”. When did he ever say that? “Vick fits the mold for Kelly better than Foles”. What!?!?

          This is Year 1. We’re still transitioning out personnel and formulating the concept. I wish they would just STF up and enjoy the ride with the rest of us. GO BIRDS!

          • GEAGLE

            Now you understand why I was flipping out! arguing with everyone all offseason :)

          • DirtyWaters

            I guess we can only blame ourselves. We’ve become information junkies. We’ll read anything if it’s about the eagles. I’ve tried to just limit myself to this site, grant land and igglesblitz because everyone else’s ineptitude is all too apparent. I feel like I know “Les” after reading an article from other sites. Reason #213 to love Chip Kelly: Total disdain for the media.

          • GEAGLE

            it’s a TRAVESTY that Les has credentials that Allow him to ask Chip Kelly questions. I would be SOOO embarrassed if ii was Les. that idiot shouldn’t even be allowed to talk to the Brilliant Chippah..

            So many “analysts” have a voice, yet so few actually put in the work required to provide valuable football analysis. this isn’t basketball where you can watch it live and have a good idea of what happened and how guys play…If you aren’t going to take the time to see how all 11 players impact every play, then you shouldn’t be earning a living polluting the minds of fans…

            We got DOPES telling everyone that a defense with a 1st round Cox,2nd round Curry, 1st round Graham! probowl Cole,proBowl Demeco! 2nd round Kendricks, stud Barwin! SB winning starting CB didn’t have TALENT! What a joke…I don’t even understand how people didn’t see that we would have a nasty front 7…..then you got analysts killing Kelly for hiring Billy Davis instead of Mochino or Donatell, as if they had ANY FRIGGIN CLUE WHATSOever

          • DirtyWaters

            I wonder how much is just sensationalism to get people riled up. Chad Henne Best QB Ever??? I hate this age of question marked headlines. Does it really just come down to how many clicks they get that determines their successfulness? Do they know that people will click on the article just to see what kind of nonsense they’ve written? Is that the game now? Don’t write any facts, do research or interview people. Just take some sound bites, look at some stats and see which way the pundit wind is blowing, then write something that will make everyone mad. Ugh, can’t believe I let these aholez get under my skin. What really makes me mad is come tomorrow night and Monday morning, I’m gonna read every piece of crap article written about this team.

          • GEAGLE

            I just don’t get how none of them care remotely bout their credibility and how NO OME holds them accountable…they can say many thing as long as it’s PC and still have a job next week

          • DirtyWaters

            Credibility? These people aren’t Edward R Murrow or Walter Cronkite. The Age of Integrity is over. I’m sure their editors or whatever they are now, encourage them to write like this. We talked about an Ashley Fox article for three days! Three days! I’m so embarrassed about that! Three days! After a win! That’s what they want. We clicked on it and talked about it. Like I said we only have ourselves to blame. Until we just ignore them they will never go away.

          • GEAGLE

            Sad but true

  • GEAGLE

    I’m ready to make predictions….this game is OURS!!! Andy and Juan with a dysfunctional group of quitters put up a fight against Detroit…. Detroit has high end talent, but they also have hot garbage..their secondary blows, and their starting CBs are both out…in terms of Talent, we are pretty evenly matched, if they have the talent edge it’s not significant…two similar teams in talent, the better coached team will win..and is Schwartz really competition for Chip? Lol….I would like our chances in Detroit where they are pretty darn tough, but they drop off significantly on the road. They will shoot themselves in The foot with penalties and turnovers..Sorry McManus, but Folesy ain’t throwing a pick this week bro…lol who is gonna pick him off besides maybe Quinn? Lol..I’m expecting some new outside zone plays for Shady This week, screens, play action roll outs, draws….offensively FOles is gonna have a big time showing! as usual
    ….
    People fear the lions agressive front 4, but I think Chip is licking his lips! His entire offensive philosophy is based on using a defenses aggression against them. lions won’t blitz, so they have no choice but to get up field with their line..and I have a feeling shady is gonna shred them! Last week, we played the cardinals top ranked run defense! and I thought Shady was going to have a tough time with that Discaplined front 7…This week we play another top statistical run defense, but I get the feeling that they are tailor made to be GASHED by Chip n Shady..Shady will have a big game, Desean and Riley will put up numbers this week. The other day Ertz was talking about how the game has slowed down for him, so I’m expecting him to be a factor the rest of the way…normally I worry about Henery, but not when they have to worry about Akers….

    Mr. December Cary F’in Williams will have another nice showing this week….love our BIG, feisty,physical, competitive corners

    • Dr Rick

      I hope you are right, Geags, but the play of the Lions D line will be huge in determining the outcome. Their base strategy has to be to shut down the run, and D line play will determine that.
      Your comments about Russell Wilson NOT being a run first QB were good, too.

      This is scary, I have agreed with GEAGLE, cliff “lowercasenopunctuation” henny, and Media Mike several times today. Scary.

      Go Birds!

      And serious props to Tim and Sheil for this site and the quality of their radio spots.

      • GEAGLE

        No fear brother…that line will be sucking wind by the 3rd drive….no shot in hell that this Undiscaplined Detroit team is in better shape then we are……FOles handled the most exotic blitzing team in the NFL…he will shred this basic defense. I seriously expect FOles to march up and down the field ALL day…I’ll be DAMNED if we lose to a D that only has about 4-7 players….they have many more holes to exploit then the cardinals…Arizona was significantly better defensively and they couldn’t stop us….I don’t fear this defense…Ziggy won’t get off against JP and Lane….and Chip will use the DTs aggression against them

  • theycallmerob

    back to trolling us I see, huh Sheil?

    Some people look at Philly as a finesse team — will the Detroit defense attempt to cement that image?

    From Kempski: “The Eagles’ pass:run ratio is roughly 53:47, meaning that they run the ball 47 percent of the time. They run the ball at a higher percentage than all but 4 teams in the NFL.” ……but I guess that’s finesse? who are these “people”, Elliott?

    Then there are the Eagles’ defensive backs, who — as even the most ardent Philly fan would have to admit — got away with some serious illegal contact against Arizona on Sunday. …..I’m ardent. and not admitting to sh*t, you a$$clown

    unlikely playoff berth, with an unlikely franchise quarterback ….is Wilson “unlikely” too?

  • Media Mike

    F-ing “insider” garbage. Like enough of my cable bill doesn’t already go to ESPN. Whores.

  • Media Mike

    Prisco can die! Silva is a D bag who has Kaepernitwit’s piece in his mouth.

  • docboy75

    Bugs me that They always pull the cowboy game out to knock Foles… a good, or even a great QB can’t have one bad game? Even if he was possibly concussed if the first drive of that specific game? I don’t see them doing that to Peyton or Bree…they had bad game too…time to let that cowboy game to fade from memory. ..I think Foles had earned that…

    • Marilyn Monbroe

      Peyton even had bad games this year! He was terrible in new england.

    • Kev_H

      Plus he didn’t finish it. Healthy he might have put together some drives and pulled it out.

    • GEAGLE

      Do people understand just how insane it is, that a QB had the worst game of his career and still didn’t throw a single INT? When GREAT QBs have bad games, there are always INTs involved….nothing went right for the kid that day. He couldn’t get it going, like the rare days when Reggie miller can’t ht a jump shot…yet as much as he was struggling, he still took care of The ball….that’s incredible and SOOO damn rare!

      • OregonDucker

        I still believe that Foles was hiding a concussion. At first, I thought it was a groin injury he had at the time, but his passing behavior points to concussion. Hard to complete a pass when you see three clones of the target receiver!

        • docboy75

          Totally agree… he took a major hit on the first drive… saw his helmet bounce off the turf…he playef like he was concussed…I doubt he even realized it himself…

          • BlindChow

            In fact, he played the entire second half with his helmet on backwards.

  • Media Mike

    Real rankings!
    1) Peyton Manning
    2) Drew Brees
    3) Aaron Rodgers
    4) Tom Brady
    5) Russell Wilson
    6) Phil Rivers
    7) Andrew Luck
    8) Big Ben
    9) Tony Romo
    10) FOLES!

    • GEAGLE

      Real rankings:
      Peyton
      Brees
      FOles
      Brady
      ….
      Peyton and Brees are the only two QBs who if you take their 6 best games this year try can hang with FOles performance. Brady is a better QB, but he hasn’t had a better year than Nick…Rodges is hurt so he isn’t an issue

      • Media Mike

        I agree when talking just this year, I’m taking into account beyond just this season and into the future combined.

        • GEAGLE

          I actually think FOles 6 games are better than brees’s’s’s’s lol..

          I wonder how many QBs Howie would take for FOles straight up?

          • OregonDucker

            GEagle, Foles records should beat Brees in the end. Why? He beat his records in HS, so why not the NFL.

          • Dr Rick must go to bed

            Remember, Brees was cut by San Diego after his major shoulder injury. He was considered to be a washout by many but is a great QB.

            The fact is, we just do not yet know what will happen with Nick Foles. I vote for another trending great game tomorrow.

            Birdzzz

    • JofreyRice

      I like these, I’ll go:

      1) Nas
      2) Eminem
      3) Andre 3000
      4) Jay-Z
      5) Biggie
      6) Lil’ Wayne (restrict domain to Carter I < x < Carter III)
      7) Rakim
      8) Big L
      9 & 10) (Kendrick Lamar, Earl Sweatshirt) toss up between 9 and 10, tough to rate these guys with such a small sample size, but they are really talented Doogie Howser rappers.

      EDIT: Hovering on the perimeter there are Talib Kweli and Black Thought.

      • Media Mike

        That list sucks due to the lack of Philly artists in the top 10 spots.

      • Maggie

        Are you rating these ‘rappers’ based on the filthy language they use or how many times they tell their listeners to stay stupid, don’t go to school, kill anybody you don’t like, do drugs, sell women slaves or make sure to pay them the bucks to buy their CDs?

        • GEAGLE

          The part about woman is cool :)

  • theycallmerob

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20131208_How_the_Eagles_landed_Foles.html

    Dutch’s Take: it is clear that neither Reid, Moronwig, or Pederson have any abilities to determine quarterbacking skills. Only 1 of those 3 ever played at the highest level and Doug quickly showed his talents are best suited for coaching not playing. Their collective failings are the reason the team has been so terrible for many years, and the repeated demise of bums like Kolb and Feeley. Foles is no different, except for having a worse pedigree. Even the best coaching cannot undo an attitude of failing, which is what Foles has shown since his college days. Who knows where the franchise would be had they properly evaluated options like Kaepernick or Wilson.

    I’m thinking Dutch’s Take should be a regular occurrence in these articles, no?

    • cliff henny

      philly.com, right where he belongs.

      • theycallmerob

        ? mclane?

        • cliff henny

          and we were sort of missing him. jeeze, hope he never shows up here again.

          • theycallmerob

            Ha! That was me! Scary how I seem to have ingested his logic structure. I should probably stop before it becomes permanent

          • G_WallyHunter

            Very well done. His logic structure and justification is probably the hardest of anyone’s to imitate well.

          • cliff henny

            lol, wow…mean that was dead on! didnt click on link, just assumed you cut and pasted a comment from article.

          • Andy124

            I clicked the link to read it for myself. Thought it was really him. Only guessed it was an impersonation because I couldn’t find the comment there.

            There was a poster over there named Dexter that sounded an awful lot like Dutch. Both start with a D so I always suspected they were the same, and that’s where I expected that comment to come from.

    • Media Mike

      Kaepernick SUCKS

      • theycallmerob

        was your coffee maker set to extra cranky this morning too?

        • Media Mike

          Ha ha. I’m all anti-scramble bum all the time!

    • Andy124

      From Reid via that article:
      The obvious was he could make every throw.

      Also some nice comments about Foles impressing with his arm strength in his private workout throwing in to the wind.

      But just imagine what we could do with a quarterback who had a strong enough arm to make all the throws.

    • Andy124

      That’s your best impersonation yet. I assume it’s an impersonation, right?

      • theycallmerob

        Got cliff :) new coffee today

        • cliff henny

          getting gulible in my relaxed beach life. need to move back to philly, get my edge back.

          • G_WallyHunter

            would you quit mentioning beaches when I’m looking out my window at -10C and blizzards lol

          • cliff henny

            be really upset, going for bike ride, meeting sister with her new pup, going to teach him to swim today. enjoy the artic.
            .
            not sure why, always think you are aussie…guess it’s the wally?

          • Andy124

            “Wally” sounds lik wallabe which is associated with Australia.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Wally stands for Walleye lol, and yes, I will have fun in the Arctic, always do. Need to take the dogsled over to the market today, maybe get a new husky I can call Rudolph to lead the pack

          • cliff henny

            picturing a mix of alaskan frontier and life below zero shows. both look like great fun…for about a month

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ah not so bad when you get used to it

          • cliff henny

            you in city? i’ve looked at getting something upstate sc/nc/GA, near appalachian mountains, get cabin/house, peace, land, but still be within reasonable distance of city. probably end up with about 8 german shepherds roaming land. hunt/fish/hike yr round

          • DirtyWaters

            Check out around Franklin NC. Right on the AT. 2 hours to ATL. 1 hour to Asheville. Can still find cheap land.

          • cliff henny

            thanks, keep that in mind. getting so bored in myrtle

          • theycallmerob

            I’ll join you, build a proper compound. we’ll need at least double-digit shepherds, of course

          • cliff henny

            ever see the movie ‘the breed’? that’s what it’ll be like. i root for the shepherds the whole movie.

          • G_WallyHunter

            That’s an ideal life. in city during winter, north woods in the summer near a lake full of fish

          • DirtyWaters

            Might have to turn on the AC in Charleston today. Great beach day.

    • G_WallyHunter

      If he’s not going to give his take on them, then someone has to.

    • @PhilthyBird215

      this is amazing. I mean he has a point. Andy’s track record with Qb’s is well known. but Reid some how got the most out of all of his QBs. its only when they left Philly they turned bums all of a sudden. But Unlike Dutch, I saw and see that as a net Positive. I mean, people seem to forget, let me try to refresh some of them:
      Not sure but I believe we got a 2nd round pick for Mr Feely
      - A 2nd round pick for Mr Kolb.
      -and a 2nd round pick for Mr McBum-u-out.
      that’s more than anyone can ask for, for any of the QBs above.
      my criticism of Reid on this particular conjure is whom he drafted with those picks. With that said, I stopped visiting Philly.com frequently long time ago. Especially since Shiel and Tim moved to Phillymag.com. The times I do is to read Jimmy Kempskie’s Blog.

    • reb

      How did no Detmer make that Dutch-y rant?

      And I had forgotten about charliegarner25 over at philly.com. Good reasons I no longer read that…thing.

      • GEAGLE

        OMG that dude is notoriously unbearable

    • Brian

      I swear he logged in under a different name last week, made a few BS statements, lost a few ‘discussions’, and hasn’t come back.

    • JofreyRice

      Impressive!

    • Will

      Foles is on fire…the whole team is playing together ..like the D of late 21 points or less….Foles get’s 3 TD’s and a FG were good…4 TD’s a game is reasonable…just need to get the run game going again…

    • OregonDucker

      With Foles you are seeing the COSMIC unification of player talent, offensive scheme, and COACHING. A good QB, maybe like Schaub, a poor scheme, and an ineffective coach gets you 11 losses.

  • cliff henny

    wonder how much different the expert opinions would be if Kelly/Eagles didnt let Wash and AZ back into games. Foles and offense hasnt played a full offense 4th quarter since, not even sure he has. this is what happens when they dont watch the games live, base opinions off of box-scores and highlites. dumbest being, foles gets rattled. every qb gets rattled when DL or 2 is hanging all over them.

    • Media Mike

      Apt point. Foles taking sacks, rather than throwing INTs, isn’t discussed enough.

      • GEAGLE

        A Few of the sacks vs. Zona were coverage sacks, taking them was the right play

  • Explorer51

    I have always liked Jaws, as a player and commentator, but I don’t get his rankings at all; forget for a second putting Foles 18th (when eleven QBs in front of him have double digit interceptions) but where’s the love/like for Russel Wilson who is, arguably, one of the three most effective QBs this year? And he has Roethlisberger and Flacco 5 & 6? Eli 12th? Yikes.

  • Beastmode

    Can you astute commenters or Sheil/Tim weigh in on how Chip’s blur offense has changed? Is it just me or are they getting to the line slower than the WAS game? I guess Im interested in how the whole hurry up thing is evolving in our offense. Wondering if Chip is changing his mind on its effectiveness, or ??

    • OregonDucker

      Duck players said the preseason offense was faster than at Oregon. I see what you see regarding games after WAS. I suspect the Eagles were not seeing the defense scheme clearly when running super fast – i.e. there was confusion by players and coaches. The tempo in the first half seems just right to me.

  • Kev_H

    The guy who thinks Foles is intimidateable has obviously never seen him play. Foles is a big, strong guy who stood tall last year and in college when he was getting creamed. Does he have to grow a beard or get some tats?

    • GEAGLE

      To read this kind of trash after he stood tall, held the ball til the very last second, ate some monster hits from Dockett and Cambell so that our screens would be most effective and just kept getting up is ridiculous. I don’t understand how so many people get to earn a living providing such worthless opinion and analysis…I just don’t understand it

    • NineseveN

      Foles doesn’t seem to be easily intimidated, but I think some people see him sometimes fidget in the pocket (for lack of a better way to describe it) and they misinterpret that to him maybe being nervous or indecisive out of fear or inexperience. I tend to think that’s just Foles moving to a very fast internal clock to get the ball out. If his body language was more subtle, he might appear to be much cooler in the pocket, but nothing would really be different other than the outside perception. He’s much cooler under pressure than he might look, you can tell that by the throws he’s hung in there to make. You don’t hit some of the receivers the way he has while being anxious and scared.

  • GEAGLE

    I’m ready for this game to start…ready to watch Calvin come in here and FAIL!!!

    • Mr. Magee

      Wish you were right, but Calvin’s gonna rack up some big yardage in this game.

      • GEAGLE

        Yup…and then they fail and go home with an L….what’s your point?

    • Dr Rick

      The Seahawks game was a nice example of how the game is changing. John Gruden pointed out how a basic cover 1 was used dynamically to rotate the “triangle” formed by the safety and the 2 corners to shift and cover. Not earth shaking but a dynamic way of looking at the coverage and how a zone-man coverage takes away the strength of a passing team. The Saints, a pass only team, looked really bad. I know Mr Davis was watching, and hope the Eagles safeties (that is you, sconces) and the CBs can use that material to keep Megatron to his low average. Oh, and a pick or 2 would make me happy!!!

  • GEAGLE

    Is anyone having a problem with Disque, or am I being banned for being Too RIGHT again?
    ..
    Edit ,.i guess not. Y was it saying I can’t respond to someone’s comment because this account isn’t active? Won’t let me reply to TOM W’s post
    ..
    I’m waiting for the perfect time to call Sk and TM while they are on the radio and talk footy footy football :)

    • Maggie

      Might be Disqus. I had a comment removed one time that mentioned the NSA.

  • GEAGLE

    Hindsight time:
    If you knew we would be entrenched in a playoff hunt, with young gunner killin it from the pocket…would you have given up that 2nd round pick for Josh Gordon?

    It would be a no BRAINER for me if not for the suspension issue..Folesy throwing to Gordon,Ertz,Desean and Coop? DANGER DANGER DANGER

    • Tom w

      4th maybe. 1 suspension is huge fear. Plus I am in it for parades not one playoff victory. We don’t have the talent yet to beat Seattle or New Orleans on the road.

      • GEAGLE

        Josh Gordon is a young WR. Who will play at this level for the next 5years

  • Eagle_NorCal

    I love this site. From the content to the comments…the unstoppable manning ad, the dasterdly grin and siri truth telling screen shot..all in one post….pure online gold. Go Birds…and thank you all.

    • theycallmerob

      obliged…and welcome!

  • JofreyRice

    Whenever I read Jaworski transcripts, I hear them in that phony stylized newscaster cadence he’s been taught, where he accentuates the last word. “If he continues to do that, (pause) the Eagles will go (second–completely gratuitous–pause) to the playoffs” (end film segment).

    Does he still think Kaepernick is going to be the greatest football player in the history of the world, and that Kelly’s passing offense can’t work in the NFL? It’s weird, because I really respect Cosell’s opinion, and he openly acknowledges his relationship and collaboration with Jaws, but I just find Jaws to be off the mark, on most things.

  • Max Lightfoot

    Dutch Take No. 2:

    Nick Foles will never be a top-teir Quarterback because he cannot throw the long ball. He is Slow and lacks the skillz of QB’s like Peytoon Manning and Tomm Bradey. For all you knockleheads who have never played the Game as I had you better listen up. Foles is a Joke that should never be untold. Whimps!

    • A Roy

      That would explain why the Eagles have 20% more plays of 20+ yards than the next closest team, I guess.
      Let me explain. If you have 5 and you add 1 to make 6, 6 is 20% greater than 5. I figured since your analysis was as deficient as your spelling, you may need help with arithmetic, too. Unless you’re just being sarcastic…

      • theycallmerob

        A roy, it’s all tongue in cheek. reliving the days when the all-knowing Dutch would troll these boards, shaming the locals with his years of experience (both on the field, and riding the subway).

      • Max Lightfoot

        Yes, A Roy. I was just channeling the inimitable Dutch. Of course the quart of Old Crow and the cheap blotter acid didn’t hurt, either …

  • SoCalEaglesFan

    Jaws is so impressed with Foles that he has him rated in the bottom half of the league’s QB’s.

  • Mr. Magee

    Wow, so much good stuff in here, hardly know where to start.

    Jaws: Lost a lot of respect for him over the years… He’s more of a corporate creation now, rather than an actual human being with his own take. If his QB rankings are based on career achievements, than Foles should be NR (not yet rated) instead of 18th.

    Harrison: I think he’s right regarding officials impact on the game, but that’s true every week. Lions pass rush, their propensity for cheap shots, and the potential intimidation of Foles are all legitimate concerns, and I think they will be very real factors in this game. The stuff about the Cards game last week was unnecessary and not any different than what every team’s WRs face every week.

    Prisco: I agree Lions win in an “upset.” Sorry.

    I think DL play will determine the outcome of this game. Can Detroit stop the run and rattle Nick Foles? Can the Eagles pressure Stafford into throwing a couple crucial INTs? We’ll see…

    • Dr Rick

      Mr Magee, we agree on everything but the final score.
      I think The Birdz Abide.
      Good Stuff!

  • theycallmerob

    Anyone watching auburn-Mizzou? great game. Like Malzahn, seems like a kelly-esque coach. plus they knocked off the evil empire. hope they get to play FSU
    any team that runs Tubby’s DE wing-T as a base is ok in my books. 450+ rushing yards in the first 3 qtrs.

    • cliff henny

      dont you kind of wish kelly would run a modified Auburn offense up by 20+. one piece Eagles have been missing is a wr that can run out of backfield. really glad he sees jax for what he is, in-space wr. 4 out of 5 times i wasnt even sure who had the ball till runner was past LOS. but out of everything they do, huddling by ball, sending rcrs out w/ 15 secs and then lining up at 10 secs, keeps defense off balance, offense in hurry up mindset all while bleeding clock.

  • Weapon Y

    If I’m Chip, this is what I’m thinking: Run the offense at lightning speed to make Fat Boy Fairley keel over and puke. Run a lot of plays with 6 OL, plugging Barbre in the mix. Double and triple team Suh. I want him repeatedly pancaked into the grass. I’m pissed over being called a finesse team.

    • Dr Rick

      Bingo, Weapon Y !
      Up tempo, check. Screens, check. Hot routes to TEs, check. D-Jax on fire, check. Foles running, uh, OK, check. Shady blocking in the backfield, really, OK, check. Shady popping some really nice runs, check. Bryce Brown having a breakout game, maybe check. Jones having another special teams party, check.

      Herremans blocking Suh will be big, and ? Lane blocking Fairley is essential. I think countering off the overplay of Fairley and Suh will be one key, as well as the bubbles and trips and hots and a quick release. I just hope Nick holds up against his 5 sacks. I also hope I’m wrong and he doesn’t have 5 sacks.

      Prediction 35-31, Eagles win.

      Suh and Fairley are 2 of the most talented and sometimes dirtiest D line players in the NFL. Their play and the officiating will be another key.

      See you guys here for the on line special.

      Birdzzz!

  • GEAGLE

    ‘MY PEOPLE!!! Brothers in green Unite like Voltron…game day has arrived!!

    If you mofos have trouble sleeping like I do on Gameday, I STRONGLY SUGGEST killing some time by checking out Lawlors article one how we discovered FOles, and Ruebens article on how we found foles(CSNPhilly)…very good reads!! History of how we got the RAINMAKER,…check them out, Yous won’t be dissapointed

    • cliff henny

      now that weather has turned, really glad for these 1pm games. be brutal to wait till 4, 8 or worse mnf

      • GEAGLE

        Sick….gave my Tix away….sore throat, important work week ahead, I can’t afford to be sicker…it’s pretty damn cold today

        FOles has been under center for 12 snaps, completed 9 of those passes for 220 yards and 4TDs…so when you see Nicky under center! is DANGER DANGER DANGER time!

        • cliff henny

          how bad is weather up there today? love idea of fast agressive defense and spread out dome throwing team being put on cold wet slow grass. and make that ball slick for bush, he coughs it up in the best of condition

          • GEAGLE

            Dude, it’s the coldest day we have had,..right now, I doubt it’s any warmer than 40…woke up, went outside to drive to Wawa and get my coffee, and I’m like HELL NO, I’m not leaving my house today..I could probably handle the game, but I’m in no shape to be tailgating and sitting in this cold for 7 hours. My baby bro was in town with my 5yr nephew, I was going with my bro. But I figured it would be a good time to send lil man to his first birds game…heading over to models at 10:30 to get him bundled up in eagles gear

          • cliff henny

            just cant understand why all these talking heads arent bringing up Det being out of dome in Dec, and now conditions are going to be even more subpar. i think det is going to have real struggle putting up 20. eagles will stop the run, done so with much better running teams than Det. kelly will run it and has short passing game concepts that wont be nearly as effected as det trying to get ball consistantly 20+ yds downfield. i’m predicting 34-13 eagles.

          • GEAGLE

            Totally agree…I see it like you in that we will shut them down all game. When the 3rd ends, I expect the lions to only have 13-17 points…I just think the will get those meaningless 4th quarter close but no cigar TDs that they always get when hey are losing big going into the 4th…
            ..
            Talking Heads Know NOTHING! They loo at it like ts a game of madden football. check out all the local Detroit coverage, NONE of them are confident coming to Philly…Detriots is NOT, I repeat NOT CONFIDENT coming to philly today…
            ..
            They are saying the weather will get bad at halftime, and that the run game becomes a major factor…I know they have two very good DTs, but on the ground,I like US against their D way more then I like Bush against our defense! we took every RB we faced out of the game. We have such a criminally under rated run defense. I don’t fear Bush at all on the ground, I fear him as a reciever! but I’m confident in my boy Kendricks containing him….we aren’t losing today Cliff. NOT TODAY! I say we are TOUGHER, HUNGRIER,MORE DISCAPLINED,BETTER COACHED….

          • cliff henny

            i could almost stomach losing to Dallas or Minne more than Det. Det stands for almost everything i hate about the nfl nowadays. stafford is fantasy football qb, but about 15 qbs i’d take before him. qbs getting paid 18-20m that havent won anything bothers me. hate HATE dme teams. add bush nd wide9, might be the most annoying team outside nfc east to me.

          • GEAGLE

            Totally agree. I really can’t even let the thought of losing this game even into my head…I do NOT RESPECT a Schwartz coached Dome team…damn the high for today is 32 degrees
            ..
            Cliff I don’t even know how Domes are even still allowed in the NFL ..I despise it

          • GEAGLE

            Holy crap Cliff….I just looked out side my window and it’s literally covered in snow lol..where the hell did all this snow come from lol

  • Token

    31-20 Eagles.

    • GEAGLE

      31-28 Eagles…when the lions lose they always come back and put up points in the 4th…I see it like you! only I have them getting that meaningless back door TD late in the game to screw with all the eagles fans who bet the birds..when the 4th quarter starts, the lions won’t have more then 14-17 on the board..if it gets REALLY Ugly(weather) at half time, then the lions probably don’t even get to 21…if it’s manageable, they can throw for a few meaningless TDs late when we go prevent style

      • Token

        I just feel oddly confident about this game. I dont even know why. I think the Lions have the players to beat us. Just get it out quick Foles. Hope to see Shady having success against the wide 9 front.

        • GEAGLE

          No doubt in my mind…then again I was eerily calm when the skins and cardinals were coming back….amazing effect Chip has had on this negadelphian

    • cliff henny

      34-13, det is really going to be effected by conditions. dome passing speed team putin cold and wet grass. bush, 2 fumbles-hope eagles get 1 of them, and stafford will toss 3 picks