Wake-Up Call: On the Pick-less Nick

USATSI_7592043_168380503_lowresNick Foles has known for some time that if you want to be Chip Kelly‘s guy, you can’t throw interceptions.

“The Oregon teams that I faced in college prided themselves on not turning the ball over much,” said Foles following the Eagles’ narrow win over the Cardinals Sunday. “I knew that when he came in here, that would be something that he would really stress.”

Kelly is a stickler for efficiency, and there is nothing efficient about handing the ball over to the other team. Just a couple weeks back, Kelly ranked ball security behind only winning when discussing what he wants out of his quarterback.




Foles has both areas covered.  He has tossed a team-record 233 passes without a pick, which surpasses Michael Vick’s previous high of 224. He has thrown 19 touchdowns this season without an interception, needing just one more to tie Peyton Manning for the NFL record.

With Sunday's 24-21 win, he improved to 5-1 as a starter this season.

"Even on his misses, he's missing the right way," said Jason Avant. "That's the key to protecting the football. He's missing long , he's not missing behind, and that's usually a good sign. Or if the [defensive back] is over top he's missing short. Another thing, too, is the receivers are doing a good job on the 50-50 balls, they are either coming down with them or defending them very well. It's a whole bunch of things -- the line has to protect -- there's a whole bunch of things that goes into it, but he's made great decisions."

Foles got bailed out a couple different times Sunday. An up-for-grabs pass in the end zone in the direction of DeSean Jackson was nearly intercepted by Patrick Peterson. Jackson, though, did a nice job of switching into defensive back mode and preventing Peterson from coming down with it. Peterson came up with a pick late in the contest, but the play was negated by a holding call on Tyrann Mathieu.

A little luck never hurt nobody.

"That's just the game of football," said Foles, who ended the day 21-of-34 for 237 yards and three touchdowns. "It's a crazy game, and things happen. I'm definitely happy about that [holding call] because it could have changed the course of the game. I need to be smart with the football and maybe just take a sack there."

Sunday's outing was a meaningful one for Foles as he continues to build his case for why he should be the quarterback this franchise ties its fortunes to.

It was just a week ago that this Cardinals' defense limited Andrew Luck  to 163 yards on 39 attempts en route to a 40-11 blowout. They made arguably the most promising young star in the game look pedestrian. It would be understandable if Foles cooled off. Instead, his hot streak continued (into the third quarter, at least).

The Cardinals came in as the eight-ranked passing defense in the league, and had held opponents to 16 points per game on average over their four-game winning streak.

Sunday was a chance to show that he could keep this offense humming against not just a quality defense but a playoff contender  in a meaningful spot, and do so with all eyes pointed upward towards him. This was Foles' first start since Kelly officially named him the starter for the rest of the season. The pressure was ratcheted up along with the quality of competition.

Foles was able to stick to the formula that has kept him generally out of harm's way for 233 passes and counting.

"The key to that is preparation and really being in rhythm  and on time with your throws," said Foles. "If it's not there, just check down. If it's not there, it's not bad to throw it away and live to play another down. That's just something that you just have to keep ingraining in yourself. It's easier when you can really see the defense and recognize what they're doing. Then you really know where to go with the ball and you can be smart."

WHAT YOU MISSED

Three critical plays went the Eagles' way late. 

LeSean McCoy took a little jab at Bruce Arians after the game.

Sheil offers his observations from Sunday's win.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Geoff Mosher focuses on Trent Cole and Brandon Graham, who had two sacks apiece Sunday.

Graham hasn’t complained, but he’s waited for his opportunities.

“Just playing pissed off, man,” he said. “Every day, grinding. From the bottom. I’m gonna always have that chip on my shoulder, and today was one of them days, man.”

Graham’s two sacks against the Cards marked the second multi-sack game of his career. Last year, he had 2½ against the Bengals along with 10 tackles in a Dec. 13 game at the Linc. He has 8½ sacks since the start of the 2012 season. Know who also has 8½ sacks since the start of '12?

Yep, Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul, who went two spots behind Graham in the 2010 draft.

Domo gives the Eagles an "A" for their overall performance.

The Eagles held their eighth straight opponent to 21 points or less. It was the first time since Oct. 13 the Cardinals were held under 22. The offense stalled in the second half, which almost proved to be fatal. But they still managed to put up 300-plus yards and 23 first downs against the league’s eighth-ranked defense and had another turnover-free game.

COMING UP

We'll speak to Chip Kelly at 1 p.m.

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  • Ron Swanson

    So… anyone read Ashley Fox’s outstanding piece on Chip Kelly yet?

    • TheGhostofNormVanBrocklin

      Yup. Totally ridiculous per usual.

    • DirtyWaters

      Like passing a car accident, i just had to look. I really hate it when I agree with her.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Damnit, I must have missed it. Is it on ESPN right now?
      My football knowledge isn’t complete until I read her marvelous masterpieces, must check it out ASAP
      EDIT: Just read a few lines, when I realized she spent 3 or 4 paragraphs analyzing an insignificant (in the big picture) 1st down play with Brad Smith, closed it. Jesus

      • DirtyWaters

        I can’t ever consider 1st and goal from the 6 insignificant, especially in a tie game against a good defense. In the big picture we only won by 3.
        My god, I can’t believe I’m defending an Ashley Fox article. The taste of gun metal in my mouth will be a sweet relief from the foul taste that pollutes it now.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Good point, I guess I just meant it was on 1st down play and a TD was the result of the drive on the next play anyways. If Eagles had settled for 3 or less on that drive, then I’d be questioning it just as much as Ashley as a wasted down.

          • Brian

            Either I’m suffering from dementia, or we did settle for 3.

          • G_WallyHunter

            I thought Ertz got the TD on the roll out to the right? or was it Celeks in the right corner of endzone?
            crap, maybe I’m mistaken now, need to cut down on the beers gameday

        • Brian

          That play, and more like it, was the reason we signed Brad Smith. Just because the play wasn’t executed properly, doesn’t mean it was a bad play call. I’d attribute the play’s failure to Smith’s nerves.

          • BlindChow

            I’m not so sure… That dropped snap is just the kind of wrinkle Kelly would work into a play like that.

    • borntosuffer

      Chip’s whole offense is built around trying to be smarter than the defense – create mismatches. Evidently, if you do that with someone other than the starting QB, you think you are smarter than every other coach. Does Ashley remember who the Eagles were last year? No requests to have Ashley do the play calling his from me. Chip’s doing just fine, thank you.

  • DirtyWaters

    Glad to see Cole and Graham get some love. Anybody notice how they looked in coverage? Great to see those guys making plays and the defense not bending in the final minutes. Bring on Detroit!

    • Richard Colton

      THey looked great against a LT who shouldn’t be in the league. I’ve been a huge Cole fan for years, and I’m happy his #s are starting to come, but I haven’t seen anything in the last few weeks that show me OLB isn’t a position in need of a major upgrade. Bright side – thought both ILBs played really well. So did Cox/Logan, but that’s getting to be commonplace.

      • DirtyWaters

        Oh, it should be a 1st or 2nd round selection. I just like those guys, unfortunately. Graham may be here next year but I would be shocked to see Cole on the roster. Some team out there should pay him well. (I’m looking at you Daniel Snyder!)

        • nicksaenz1

          WSH runs a 3-4 and Cole is best for a 4-3. If Snyder pays him well enough to go be OLB in WSH, wow. Just wow. I’d forever love Snyder owning the Skins.

          • DirtyWaters

            I just kinda assumed Haslett would be gone. I think the keep the Shanagans another year and make Haslett the scapegoat.

          • aub32

            I may be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure I heard somewhere that it was Shanagan’s decision to go with a 3-4.

          • DirtyWaters

            You’re probably right, I’m sure he did. It would make sense. I think most HC choose the system.

        • anon

          I think Graham might be gone — Cole might stay given the numbers.

      • cliff henny

        only glaring weakness on defense was the chunger. put Wolff and Byrd (even though nate made couple plays) back there this week, AZ struggles for 10…can still upgrade OLB and depth at corner. honestly, at 24-14, thought Eagles messed around enough it was going to be a loss. in weird way, was ok with it cause this team is about 50% of what i think it’ll be in a yr.

        • theycallmerob

          that’s the thing….doing all this with some Andy scraps and FA placeholders. guys in a new scheme, out of position….couldn’t have asked for a better 1st year to the Chip Era

  • dislikedisqus

    Amazing to see not just Graham but Cole and Ryans with him for 5 sacks. 5 sacks against a playoff quality team makes a statement about your D being ready for prime time.

    • anon

      We’re starting to pile up sacks as the season goes along. Carson had no time to throw a deep ball b/c we were destroying their line.

  • cliff henny

    interested in seeing game review, seemed like only o-line guy that wasnt a turnstile in 4th was Lane Johnson. AND…WHEW…thank gawd Howie went LJ and Ertz, not Dee Milner and Geno Smith.

    • Richard Colton

      was thinking the same thing when Ertz went off. Softens the blow of missing on Dion in 1st and Kiko in the 2nd. I’d even add Logan to your list. At this point we know – all three top draft picks can play in this league.

      • cliff henny

        heck, add 5th, wolff can play too. cant wait to see what Kruger has brewing. kid was a terror, just not nfl body, but talent is there.
        .
        must admit, i take extra joy in Geno Smith sucking donkey C’s

        • nicksaenz1

          “must admit, i take extra joy in Geno Smith sucking donkey C’s”

          Part of the knockout punch for Dutch.

          • cliff henny

            ultimate nuke laloosh…million dollar arm, 5 cent head

          • nicksaenz1

            “Eagles are going to regret not taking him instead of Lane Johnson. This kid is going to come in Year 1 and make some noise.”

          • cliff henny

            he did…like a man carrying a bag of empty cans falling down 5 flights of stairs.

          • knighn

            I was wondering what noise “totally sucking” made! This sums it up pretty well.

          • cliff henny

            with 20 dollars worth of pennies in pockets spilling out (picture kramers pants)

          • Richard Colton

            who said that? Dutch?

          • aub32

            It might have been Token. He hated the Johnson pick. Though he wasn’t in favor of Geno. He wanted Vacarro.

          • nicksaenz1

            Yeah. Something to that effect. Not a direct quote, despite the use of quotations.

          • DirtyWaters

            a “donkey punch”, if you will???

          • theycallmerob

            5 straight games of single digit QBR. No one’s done that since….Jamarcus Russell! Bet Dutch loved him too

        • anon

          I never liked Geno but the staff went down there and had a workout with them. Gotta give them credit for doing the diligence and walking away.

        • Maggie

          Just 1 tiny excuse for Geno. He is coached by Marty. You know. The same Marty who screwed up with Foles last year.

      • nicksaenz1

        Yeah, happy for Mathieu, though. He’s just a baller, man.

      • anon

        I’m glad we whiffed on Dion.

    • Adam

      Saw on twitter that Foles would have to throw 50 straight picks to have a passer rating as low as Geno’s.

      • Richard Colton

        good thing the D and the tight ends bailed him out yesterday

        • Maggie

          Yup. It is all about teamwork.

    • anon

      Yeah i wanted milliner but he’s terrible. Which says something since Rex is one of the better D coaches in the league.

    • theycallmerob

      nah, Kelly gets all the credit. Howie’s only move all year was to bring in Soap, so of course he’s an idiot for that.

      • anon

        I give howie / laurie credit for getting Chip which was probably the most important decision of the year. Draft choices? Tom Gamble.

        • theycallmerob

          really? Gamble just walked in here and took over the draft? what gives you that idea?

          • anon

            Why else would they hire him? B/c the FO recognized that Andy/Howie did a terrible job the last few years. They just put someone under Howie that’s better at evaluating — subordinate making your boss look good. To his credit it take a good boss to assemble a good staff.

          • Andy124

            The whole board setting thing is a team effort. Just like a football team doesn’t win or lose because of one guy, drafts don’t go good or bad because of one guy. We single out Howie for credit or blame as a representative of the whole team that is involved.

            IMO, it’s not fruitful to make guesses as to who behind the curtain deserves credit/blame for what specifically. Just treat the team as a single entity and assign credit/blame to the group rather than trying to single out individuals.

            Hey, just cause Maggie says doesn’t make it automatically wrong. :)

          • Richard Colton

            Not fruitful, no, but it’s fun to speculate. I’m a big believer that leadership (on field and FO) is the single most important influencing dynamic. QB gets the lion’s share of praise/blame for offense. GM gets it for drafts. Since each grabbed the reins full time, Howie in ’11 and Foles this year, they both have looked good.

          • Maggie

            Odd. Maggie hasn’t said anything for over a week.

          • Andy124

            And yet, I still remember you. You should be flattered. :)

            Obviously, I’m restating a view you’ve expressed any number of times. Don’t tell me you disagree with what I wrote.

          • Maggie

            Not at all. Just surprised my “name” came up. As an aside, I do have some knowledge of the game. Did you know the first ‘American football” game was actually a college game between McGill University, in Montreal, against Harvard? Did you know that Joe Namath did not win the Super Bowl against my team at the time, Baltimore? The Jets defense won that game, grrr. Did you know that Aaron Rogers’ coach played, and won, in the CFL? Did you know that Chris Carter’s son plays in the CFL right now? Did you know that an old Eagle, Carl Hairston is an assistant coach with the BC Lions? Did you know that Donovan McNabb’s nephew was drafted in the NHL’s first round by the Edmonton Oilers, so Flyer fans can boo another generation? Finally, my son was a wide receiver in school until a helmet hit in his “defenseless” midsection twisted his esophagus so badly he could have died? He didn’t, praise God. He loved the game so much that he went on to officiate high school and university games for several years. Sorry to be so wordy. You’d think I as related to GEAGLE!

          • Andy124

            Did you know that when a tree falls and there’s no one around to hear it, it really does make a sound? Or that the pyramids were a mistake? (btw, this is a hilarious reference to a series of commercials you may not have seen up there).

            Glad your kid’s ok. How long ago was that?

          • Maggie

            A few years ago now. Thanks. We have seen the commercials. I find the pyramid one kind of amusing for the facial expressions. I know most Americans think of themselves as separate and alone, but almost 400 BILLION dollars of trade goes between our 2 countries every year. Much of it going from American company subsidiaries in Canada to head offices in the US. There is a good chance that those commercials were filmed here, in fact.

          • Richard Colton

            You working in 3rd person now? Or do you think he’s talking about a different Maggie?

          • theycallmerob

            you do realize draft boards are worked on months in advance, right? but hey, if you say so. not sure how you’re so confident. Gamble wasn’t here for the ’12 draft, though- when apparently Reid was relieved of duties. Top 5 picks are all players. FA signings this offseason were key. Cap is in good shape. Howie bugged Kelly enough to coach here. but that’s all an aside, I guess

          • Brandon Boykin, OLB

            So I guess Gamble also participated in the draft that netted Cox, Curry, Kendricks, Boykin, etc. etc. Just give up the Howie hate. This team is proof that we can trust the man.

        • Adam

          Yeah Gamble spent all year scouting for SF and their needs. He wouldn’t just step in to completely different scenario and run the board. He would have input but he wouldn’t be making the picks.

          • anon

            To be clear i don’t think there’s one person making draft choices. I think Gamble, CK, the coaching staff and Howie all work together. I credit Howie with putting together a good team of evaluators. I credit how for being a great contract negotiator.

            But it’s hard to that a guy who has no football playing / coaching / scouting experience, and grew up under Reid all of the sudden makes great draft choices once reid is gone without some help.

          • Adam

            You just said you give credit for the draft choices to Tom Gamble… so what is it? Him or the staff? And what about the 2012 draft?

          • Andy124

            I really don’t think former players are better at evaluating talent than non-former players. I trust them less in general.

          • BlindChow

            Dutch would disagree. Non-former players know nothing and probably shouldn’t even be allowed to write about football.

          • Brandon Boykin, OLB

            #MichaelJordan

          • theycallmerob

            there’s an entire scouting department for that. the issue wasn’t evaluation so much as control; a few guys Reid really wanted didn’t pan out. Egotistical FA’s he thought he could control in ’11 stunk. Scheme got old.
            why harp on the one thing that’s hardest to pin down? we have a great cap situation and Howie got us a great coach.

          • LostInChiTown

            Yes, Gamble, CK, the other coaches and Howie all work together. BUT, as the GM, Howie is at the top when it comes to building the team. Rather than speculate, here’s what we KNOW about this system:

            Howie consults with Chip (and Davis) to get his preferences and requirements on players (big guys beat up little guys, etc.)

            Howie works with Gamble and scouts to make sure they take the coaches preferences into consideration when making evaluations.

            Players are given grades and ranked – both draft and FA’s. Not sure how this process is done, but Gamble is probably most important here (he is the the team VP of player personnel and the head of the scouting department according to Eagles website).

            SOMEONE makes the ultimate decisions on what to do with player grades and evaluations – both drafting and FA signing. *Lurie has told us this is Howie* (and used to be Reid). Every step in this process is equally important. Howie has to make good decisions with what’s been given him. The scouting department needs to provide accurate evaluations. Chip (and Davis) needs to know what kind of players work in their system.

            Ultimately, Howie is the head of the operation and should be held responsible for success or failure. He’s the CEO of constructing the team.

      • G_WallyHunter

        Ya, good thing Chip picked Foles too

  • knighn

    I am enjoying what Chip Kelly has done with this team so far. I also can’t wait to see how this team looks next season with some upgrades. I know some of those upgrades will come just from “more experience”.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Cardinals weren’t that good. Eagles proved it. way to take their soul.
    I don’t care how big and tough they are and what they are ranked, this team plays together and for each other and getting better. cards can kiss our ass.. keep complaining and grabbing players and you will see where that will get you. take your “L”

    • cliff henny

      Cards are a good team. why take anything away from them? now their fans are just sour graping- F them. that defense is a load for any qb, recrs all over the place if line gives CP time. wouldnt think they’ll make big playoff run because CP turns it over too much and when they run into really good teams, this will cause them to get run out of the gym. but the .500 or worse, they’ll do damage. maybe final score got to closer than it should have, still, heck of a win for young team learning on fly here.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        im not taking anything away from them. I was just tired of hearing how big and bad these f’n cardinals were

        • cliff henny

          falling into the ‘discredit foles’ camp. before game, we build them up to be good test, then after he has another good game, we discredit and bash opponent. that’s a good cards team.
          .
          agree, cards fans are being idiots, was a hold on casey, plus, score would have been 27-21 45 sces left 80 yds from endzone…not a pats/panther deal here.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            foles did his thing. and I don’t mean to bash the team in order to take any credit away from them. those guys did very well.

          • anon

            The reality is we should have gotten the first down w/out the penalty. We got a little lucky — home field advantage finally — but we gotta get those first downs.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            gotta gear that offense up come 4th quarter. little disappointed there

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        I know its a great win. after all was said about it. but in the nfl anything can happen look at the colts last week. the jags beating teams. and the browns. they can keep it rolling. like I said to some friends as far as Im concerned they can win lose or draw and id be proud of this team. they have shattered projections. and time is now for them to strike. but why not take advantage and strike while the iron is hot…

        • cliff henny

          sure, let’s go! but the window hasnt even opened yet, wait till ’15! talk about a team playing with house money. not to go all homer’ish, but this does remind me of watching those ’90’s cowboys. you could just see that team coming together. young talent with obvious holes.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            nice comparison. id take that.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            ertz will be scary when he gets it goin

      • aub32

        They have potential to be really good in the coming years. They really just need O line help. Their WRs can get open against anyone, and boy do I envy some of their talent on D.

        • cliff henny

          big issue is by time all that comes around, CP will be even more well past his prime.

          • aub32

            That’s true, but that seems to be the model these days. Find someone capable and build up the rest of the team. Then with a defense in place, a few decent weapons, and an O line, go get your franchise guy.

          • cliff henny

            great plan, if fitzgerald wasnt 30 too and o-line had some youth. see cards as fools gold for their fans. eagles are better today, and will be loads better for forseeable future. hate to say it, but howie’s building a heck of a roster here

        • Brent E. Sulecki

          nick has 2 years left on a contract. in those 2 years you can load up around him. on d and other areas. def need someone else next to nate at safety (never thought id say that) but its true. then another specialist OLB pash rusher. and build other areas with more weapons and depth. and I could see great things.

          • aub32

            I was referring to the Cards.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            oh nevermind then. lol yeah the cards with a young qb could do some damage in the west.

          • aub32

            As far as the Eagles, I agree our biggest need is at OLB. Next I’d take a CB opposite Fletcher with Williams coming in for relief. I really do think Byrd will be an Eagle next year. I just can’t see Howie not making that move. The big mystery to me is what they do at WR. I know we want a dynamic #2, but Riley is starting to prove he’s that. That one handed grab was a thing of beaut, and even some of the better WRs can’t make that move he made after the catch. Do we resign him for #2 money? Do we then try to get Maclin on the ACL discount? Will Mac be the guy in the slot we all expected DJ2 to be? What happens to Avant? Is his 1-2 catches a game and blocking worth trying to find a potential playmaker in the slot?

          • Andy124

            Some guys age slow, some guys age all at once and fall off a cliff. I don’t think Avant has anything left to offer on the field. Would love to have him back as a coaching intern next year. I’m sure we could find a better use for his roster spot.

          • aub32

            If he’s not on this roster, I am sure he will find a spot for at least a year or two elsewhere.

          • Andy124

            Stop pissing on my hopes damnit. I don’t want him on another team. I’m sticking with Avant for coaching intern starting next season.

          • Adam

            He can still play somewhere. Heck, he can still play here, but let him come off the bench.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            agreed. just depth and coaching

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            you def need another wr. mac should be back on a 1yr deal id guess. but id much prefer cary to fletcher when talking corners. and id say keep cole as backup and draft a stud there. and graham stays for depth. but it seems like a tough call. another weapon on offense at wr would be nice. im sure Kelly will be looking at some guys with size after seeing foles loving throwing to a big wr like coop. get a big guy with some speed. to compliment desean and coop and mac. Jason and come back as a 4th..

          • aub32

            Ireally don’t see how all the receivers you listed would see the field barring injury. We hardly see Avant do anything now. DJ2 is a ghost. Maehl might come in to throw a block twice a game. I just don’t see the room to bring back Mac and another receiver. I think people just aren’t buying in that Coop is our “big boy”. Don’t forget we have TEs that need burn too. Spending a bunch on WRs really isn’t necessary.
            ….
            I do think Cole will be back as a backup. I can’t say the same for Graham. He will have to beat out someone that can play behind Barwin that might be a better STer.
            ….
            Cary commits too many PIs for my taste. He also gives too much cushion on 3rd and long. Fletch is a better cover guy but has health issues, which is why I wouldn’t even think of jettisoning Cary.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            obviously maehl and dj2 can hit the unemployment line for all I care. lets be honest fletch committed pi on that last play anyway. the fact that it wasn’t called doesn’t take away for it happening. cary just does his work more obvious

          • theycallmerob

            way too early to tell about WRs. neither Coop nor Mac may be back next year, and there is no depth should anyone get hurt now. Nothing wrong with drafting a guy, worst thing is everyone (1) comes back (2) plays well (3) stays healthy, relegating the rookie to the bench for a year.
            and who the heck is playing slot? self-tacklin’ Maclin is coming back healthy and able to handle that?
            also happens to be one of the most talented and deepest positions in the draft this year. I’m guessing at least one comes in.

          • Andy124

            I’m with you at CB. I’m happy with Sconces this year as a big upgrade over last year, but still want to upgrade over him. Fletcher is just fine, but he can’t seem to stay healthy, so I don’t want to put any eggs in that basket. May need to roll with that pair for another year while we groom a draft pick though. I also don’t want to bank on a rookie playing there full time.

          • cliff henny

            draft pick, get another fletcher type signing. get OLB to help d-line get consistant pressure, cbs will all be better.

          • anon

            we’ll see if they spend money. I dont know if there are good DBs on the market in FA this year.

          • cliff henny

            fletcher was as cheap as they come. i’ve just given up on shut-down corner. get 3 or 4 guys that can hold coverage, get 2 ball hawking safeties and beat the bejesus out of the qb. between c-wills, fletch, another fletch typ FA signing 3m is drop in bucket in available cap, boykin, roc and 4/5th rdr, wolff and byrd at safety, not a bad secondary…and not terribly hard to accomplish.

          • theycallmerob

            yup. you can count the shutdown corners on one hand these days. good pass rush and a top safety will do just fine

          • anon

            Wasn’t Fletch legit before getting hurt? I don’t know how many IR specials there are but when the pass rush is working there’s a better opportunity for us to make plays in the secondary — especially since the safety play is more consistent. Really proud of Allen for that pick.

          • cliff henny

            never even heard of him till eagles signed him. he seemed like an undervalued 3rd is all. sure injuries had alot to do with it. just weird i kind of trust howie to find another.

          • BlindChow

            Tommy Lawlor thought Fletch was the best cover corner in FA. That was before the Eagles signed him.

          • RIP illa

            Hey cliff, why would we go to sign a Fletch type CB for about 3 mil when we could draft a younger, more athletic, faster, corner and let him be our future for less?

          • cliff henny

            can do both. carry 5 corners often. easily move on from Roc, he’s no great shakes. taking corner in 4-6th, often they need ayr of seasoning, shouldnt expect starter day 1 there.

          • RIP illa

            But do you really think a 4th-6th rd pick could be the “future” for the spot? I was thinking more of an early rd pick instead of FA pick up. That way he sits and learns and comes in in case of injury. C-Will’s approaching 30 and we all consider him a stop gap. So groom a high pick to take over for him. Just don’t see us grooming a mid-late rd pick. Sam shields and Sherman…can’t think of any others that panned out to be, not just starting CBs…but also very good starting CBs.

          • theycallmerob

            not sure why you think the early round guys are more likely to be our future, or even succeed; the past few drafts have shown that just fine. Like RB and WR, you can find quality CBs throughout. Fletch was a 3rd rounder, Sconces was UDFA.
            Rather have a great safety and pass rush, makes all CBs look better.
            Especially this year, no tremendous prospects.

          • RIP illa

            If you look up the past drafts early rd CBs are doing pretty well. If they are not the starter, they are most are seeing significant playing time and contributing. I don’t get where people get this stigma that early rd CBs aren’t panning out. Is it cause of the ’13 draft? So are you guys just going off that? I think it’s kinda silly. Yes the corners picked in the ’13 draft early rds are really struggling, but you have the ’12 draft…

            1st rounders…Gilmore playing very well last year and this year in B-Lo. Claiborne, played well his 1st yr, struggled this year, still playing good enough that he can’t be labeled a bust as of yet. Kirkpatrick, stuck behind Jones and Newman, but seeing an increase in playing time and making the most of it by playing very well.
            2nd rd…Jenkins, great pick by ST. Louis…starter!!!
            3rd round trumaine Johnson, took Fletcher’s job and never looked back. Hosley for the Giants, was coming along pretty well got injuries. Bentley for the Lions, iffy, but Detroit always seems to struggle when picking CBs. Fleming for AZ and now Jax, can a 3rd rounder be a bust??? Robinson for Minn, got some playing time in ’12 didnt light it up but wasnt horrible either for a 3rd round rookie. Sucked earlier this year, has been playing way better now injured.

            ’11 draft…1st rd – Peterson…nuff said! Amukamara…nuff said! Smith for B-More, IMO not as good as the 1st 2 but has been a contributor and shown flashes. Nothing great but decent.
            2nd rd…Gilchrist for SD, started 4 games in his rookie year. Was so so. A better tackler than coverage guy, which is to not say that he was horrendous in coverage. Same pattern in ’12 and in ’13 he now mans the SS spot. Harris for the Texans, nothing special decent back up. Williams for B-lo, good pick up played nicely for them and has been moved all over the secondary. Solid in coverage and makes plays. Ras-I Dowling for NE, LOL…thats all I’m going to say about him.
            3rd rd…Out of the 5 CBs selected in the third that year, the most notable is Chris Culliver and the least are Johnny Patrick now on SD and our very own Curtis Marsh.

            ’10 1st rd…Devin Mcourty for NE, now a Safety and still a good pick up. Patrick Robinson for NO, starter before going on IR this year. You also might remember him from such hits as, ‘Hey Philly, I just housed a 99 yrd pick on you’ (in 2012)!!! Kyle Wilson for the Jets, nothing special just played nickel for them immediately and contributed much. Kareem Jackson for HOU, starter. Joe Hayden…nuff said!
            2nd rd…Cook for MINN, was a starter now cut. Javier Arenas KC, was more of a return guy, contributed for the chiefs in the secondary, playing all 16 games last year but was never anything special. Traded to AZ where he’ll probably remain in obscurity.
            3rd rd…2 CBs drafted, the rest are Safeties, Thomas, who played for us briefly, is out of the league I think. And Ghee is just Depth for the Bengals.

            ’09 1st rd…Malcolm Jenkins, starter and a good one at that. Vontae Davis…you know the name you know the skills…nuff said.
            2nd rd…1 CB taken, Sean Smith. Starter good player hasn’t put it all together.
            3rd rd…Our boy Fletch…nuff said! Derek Cox…nuff said! Keenan Lewis…nuff said! Ladarius Webb…oft injuried, but still…nufff said! Ryan Mouton, who??? Exactly! Jerraud Powers AZ, has played since drafted and started/made significant contributions. Christopher Owens now w/ CLE, some starts here and there but mainly a depth guy. Asher Allen MINN, was looking somewhat promising. Got a sever concussion and retired after 3 seasons. Kevin Barnes out of the league!

            Do I have to go on??? So out of all the CBs picked and that I listed through rds 1-3, do you still maintain your stance? There’s no way or the odds are against the Eagles, or it’s not favorable to use a pick in one of those rds on a CB cause we won’t find someone who can start/eventually start? Like I said I don’t know where you guys get that thinking from, but I would say that if you look at past drafts, the chances of us getting a good quality future/starting CB are pretty damn good.

          • RIP illa

            Re-read…so just wanted to say that I’m not trying to be salty. Also I think for how knowing how little experience SJB has and watching what he’s doing naturally on the field is phenomenal. Ad to that his size and I hope he has real good speed, and I’d be so pissed if we didn’t take him later in the draft. The kid has a better feel for the game/position than most and just gravitates to the ball when it’s in the air. Louchiez and SJB and I’m the happiest man for the next 2-3 yrs about our CB spot.

          • theycallmerob

            saw your long post below, I hadn’t gone that far back. I guess the first 3 rounds are a sure bet to find the better talent; thanks for the research.
            I guess my bigger point is, I’m not sure a “stud” CB (which I also have a hard time finding in this draft, but that’s an aside) would improve our defense as much as, say, a great rush OLB or S. I just tend to de-value the CB position in general, since I think decent coverage guys that tackle well will always look better if the rush is getting home. In the 34, we need more playmakers up front.
            My current “mock”, if you will, is (1) L. Joyner, FS, florida st (2) Landry, WR, LSU (3) morgan moses, OT, UVA. Reckon if chip is confident enough in the WRs, that 2 pick could go to OLB or CB. I just love Joyner more than any other DB, don’t see him making it to the 2nd

          • cliff henny

            as i said above, corner is such a dependent position, rather spend resources on offense and getting to qb early with safety who can cover some mistakes-byrd. long as they go wr/olb or olb/wr, safety in free agency, can pretty much do anything. to me, corners are like guards, good teams just seem to find them.

          • BlindChow

            The 1st and 2nd round corners these last couple years haven’t really been starters in year one, either.

          • RIP illa

            I wouldn’t mind drafting to CBs…one relatively early and one late. We need to find our future Starter w/ C-Wills coverage skills and Fletch’s hospital bills! And plus we still need depth at that spot. Outside of Roc we have nobody but Marsh who’s never gonna see the field unless worst case scenario happens. I’m really liking Stanley Jean Baptist for that late round guy, but we definitely need to find a back up nickel corner. If Boykin goes down, we have no one that we could trust to go to the inside.

          • Andy124

            Never wavered on OLB being top need. Even if Cole is turning the corner, he’s still aging.

          • BlindChow

            It makes me sad to think if Williams goes to another team, “Sconces” will be lost to history…

          • bentheimmigrant

            We’ll keep it alive, I’m sure.

          • Andy124

            We’ll never forget; Always keep that candle burning.

          • theycallmerob

            The Burning of The Midnight Lamp Sconce.

          • RIP illa

            Sorry to jump in so late. The WR thing isn’t really that difficult in theory. We let Avant go, give the avant money to Coop who has earned the right to come in as the starter opposite DJax next year. If we gotta give him a little more than just 4 mil…then so be it.

            We try and resign Mac to either a 1 yr or 2 yr deal for low money or about what he’s making now. IMO I don’t think he’ll be all the way back yr 1, so I’m not really a fan of the 1yr deal. It most likely will take him most of that season or maybe into the start of the season after, to be considered the same Mac we know. Unless he pulls an AP and defies all medical rules and logic.

            And then we have rounds 1 through 3 to draft a pure slot guy that’s dynamic and can get YAC or an outside guy that’s dynamic and can either be in the vein of DJax or Coop. That way if some one goes down we won’t miss a beat. And since every WR on the squad has to know how to play every WR position…this would just give us more pieces to shuffle around and create mismatches.

            If Mac comes on and plays to his old level or better, which still would most likely be towards the end of next season or the season after next, then we have 4 WRs that we can put on the field at any time or spot. Plus we now have some ammunition for a future trade, whether it be a mid round pick or higher. And Chil has already shown that he can and will use 11 personnel more often than not so we Coop, DJax, and the Draft pick will see a lot of playing time while Mac gets reacclimated to his knee and the game. And we still will shuffle in our TE packages and use them as needed. If Mac doesn’t wanna sign a team friendly, short term, deal…then let him walk!!! He has no leverage!

          • Richard Colton

            Let him walk? You mean limp. It’s a cruel world Illadelph.

          • RIP illa

            Lmao! Yes my friend…a cruel world indeed!

          • aub32

            I disagree with a slot guy in the first 3 rounds. Mac doesn’t have to pull an AP. He was injured in TC not the final game of the season. He has much more time to recover than AP did. Remember Crabtree tore his in May and may see the field this season. He’s no AP. Mac has plenty of time to come back. Also, outside of guys like Tavon Austin, slot receivers don’t go that high in the draft. It’s still not valued that highly despite the emergence of some real difference makers there. Look at how little attention Wes Welker drew in FA. I do see your point about 11 personnel, but I think that had more to do with who was playing QB. Vcik and McCoy are both dynamic runners. So giving them space to run only made too much sense. However, Foles does not bring that running ability to the table. Which is why I think we have seen less and less Avant. If Foles continues to play well, he will keep the job, and I suspect we will see less 11 personnel next season. That’s why I wouldn’t use a top 3 pick on a receiver if we resign Maclin, which I agree would be better if signed at least 2 years. I think the top 3 rounds could be better utilized than a pure slot guy.

          • Andy124

            It’s been said that Self-Tacklin Maclin can’t play the slot, that he’s too soft. I understand the argument. I don’t dispute that. What I propose is that change is possible. Especially with this coaching staff.

            I think Maclin as a slot receiver with DJax and Cooper outside would be fan-freaking-tastic.

          • RIP illa

            It’s the option of drafting a pure slot guy or not. Yes I know good slot WRs can be found in later rds, but that doesn’t exclude them from being in earlier rds either. So a guy like Beckham or Lee, who by all appearances, lok like their built perfectly for the slot position, are not worth being drafted in the 1st 3 picks??? And like I said before, our WRs have to know every other WR position, so it’s not like their just going to stay in one place regardless if they are a pure slot or not. We also use 11 personnel not just based on our WRs. We use it to force D’s to go nickel so we can take an extra run defender out of the box for Shady meaning LB, most of the times. So yes I agree that it works better w/ both Vick and McCoy, yet I still think just cause Foles is not a dynamic runner, that it doesn’t still benefit Shady. Yes we will see less 11 and more TEs (hopefully) but I don’t think the drop off will be that drastic that we can’t pick up another WR.

            I also don’t like the idea of Mac in the slot w/ Coop and DJax on the outside. Nor DJax in the slot. But more towards Mac cause I don’t see him being cut out for it at all. Perfect body type, but he’s soft, self tacklin, gets hurt all the time, not great at YAC, inconsistent hands for receiving and carrying.

            DJ2 is never used, Mahel is a JAG, Benn has knee issues, Murphy is still on the PS, Smith is a JAG at WR, and Avant is giving us little to nothing! So that leaves Coop and DJax as our only 2 dependable WRs. We shouldn’t/can’t go into another season like that. And despite the amount of time Mac has had to recover, he still has been away from the game and will take more time to get in game shape and re-acclimated to the timing, hits, and assignments. I think a smart GM would look at him and think ahead for the worst case scenario over the best case. This is a great WR class and it’s more probable that we find a drafted Rook who can be ready to step in and play well than Maclin returning from knee injury (IMO). OLB, WR, and CB (w/ us picking up Bryd or Ward in FA) is what I think we should do w/ our 1st 3 picks and hopefully, although not in that order, BPA will allow us to do so. If we get those 3 positions in BPA then the rest of the draft writes itself and we are pretty well set heading into next season.

          • BlindChow

            Crabtree was on the field yesterday.

          • anon

            low ball deal for mac and a bigboy in the draft. maybe avant can coach the youngins on how to make acrobatic catches. Everyone on the jug machine.

          • aub32

            I they resign Mac I just can’t see them getting another WR. Coop would be your big boy. DJax has shown thus far that he can play everywhere on the field and has not disappeared for games at a time. I just think bringing back Mac and getting another WR is overkill. We already can’t get players like Casey and DJ2 onto the field. The resources would be better spent elsewhere IMO.

          • EaglePete

            Avant and catches seems like yrs ago at this point, he needs to go. Or rather, be replaced and maybe be 5th or 6th option.

    • Adam

      Cards are good team. Scoreboard will confirm that. It was a quality win.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        cards suck

        • Adam

          Alright then

        • Broadcasting Wisdom

          Except for that they’ve crushed an 8-win Colts team, a 9-win Panthers team, and a 7-win Lions team – all currently playoff teams. Compare that to us, who have yet to win a game against a playoff team (unless the Cards make it).

          • BlindChow

            Catch-22! The teams we beat won’t make the playoffs if we keep beating them!

  • Bdawk20

    If Chip learns how to work the clock, this team will be dangerous.

    • anon

      Maybe we just need to put 50 on em every game. Switching to the slow run game is a klller — save that for the off-season.

      But yeah we do need a slow game. Don’t we have a pro-style o-coordinator? What’s he doing?

      • Brian

        His title should be ‘Offensive Consultant’. Chip’s calling the shots.

        • mtn_green

          There is a lot of WCO passing concepts built in. Maybe some of Shurmur’s fingerprints.

  • anon

    Also can we discuss that we got a challenge right that game?

    • mtn_green

      So funny because Kelly got reemed for not challenging a first down in GB. Then he challenges and wins, they get the first next play anyways.

  • Adam

    One thing I really enjoy was Chip using the double tight end sets. With Andy we would bang our head against the wall all damn game trying to get the long ball working, but Chip realized that the they were going to stuff the box against the run and play press man on the outside, so lets try and get some mismatches on the safeties and linebackers with the tight ends. It work pretty damn well.

    • mtn_green

      Even the lazy sportswriters knew TE coverage was weak for AZ. Kelly has had drops by TE in other games, gotta give the offense credit for making it work.

      • Adam

        True, but you know Andy Reid would have trying for the DJax fly play the whole game. No TE set too, probably.

  • Loke1988

    Obvious trend here is the offensive slow downs late in the game the past few weeks after taking big leads heading into half time. Kelly needs to get that figured out if he wants to make the playoffs this year and possibly do a little damage. Great teams play great for 60 minutes. I didn’t watch closely enough yesterday to make a judgement but going by the Washington game it was definetly a play calling issue. He took the ball out of Nick’s hands and pounded Shady into 8 man fronts repeatedly. He needs to throw more creatively and keep the up tempo deeper into the game. Another thing, adjust the game plan for Bryce Brown the way you did for Nick. Run him downhill and downhill only and you will get the best out of him.

    Otherwise I am so happy Nick has taken over. I don’t know why it took so long for so many to see the potential in this kid but it is what it is. When he earns that franchise QB tag I might actually spend end a dime on Eagles merchandise again.

    • GEAGLE

      Dude, what world do you live in where teams win games without ever being in trouble for 60 minutes? We literally had the lead for about 55mintes out of 60….and dudes are nitpicking? Lol

      • Loke1988

        Yeah and so was the entire post game show right after the game but I know, your the expert…

    • theycallmerob

      I didn’t watch closely enough yesterday to make a judgement

      so…then why are you? Yesterday was not like the WAS game. ARI had a tougher run D, all game (not just the 2nd half). More players were dropped in coverage the second half, less blitzing on Foles; led to some coverage sacks. And I’m sure the coaches have told Bryce once or twice to run towards the other end, not the sideline.

      • GEAGLE

        In fairness to Bryce, if you go back and watch that play! Kelce was asked to pull and try and hook Caleus Cambell which is pretty darn difficult, Kelce did NOT pull it off, but in that situation, Bryce has to Learn to get down and take the no gain instead of losing yards…

        We were critical of how Bryce ran yesterday, but he picked up some blitzes remarkably well yesterday. some Big plays were made because Bryce was stonewalling blitzes…
        ….
        For me, the most impressive part of yesterday was FOles and Kelce presnap..FOles was using motion to force the defense to tip it’s hand, and then you would see FOles and Kelce bark out the correct checks which often resulted in beautiful blitz pick up that we parlayed into a big play….That was as good as a blitz team and front 7 as you will face, and for the most part we handled them really really well….if you aren’t sharp against a blitzing stout front 7 like that, then you pretty much Don’t have a chance to win the game….very encouraging job by FOles, the Line, and the backs in protection

      • Loke1988

        Your right Rob, Kelly IS keeping the pedal to the metal and making all the right calls. He’s also using Brown to his strengths and his lack of production is entirely due to him not listening to the coaching staff. I don’t know what I was looking at but thank god I have you to correct me!

        • theycallmerob

          anytime

  • ia

    Can Foles play under pressure? Yes he can! He had to play under pressure all the time at AZ with bad offensive line against better opponents. Still he would rake up yards, 1st downs ,TD’s and school records. But nobody was noticing that was supposed to notice. And still they cannot understand Nick Foles.

    • aub32

      This isn’t to knock Foles, but the O line did surprisingly well against the blitz yesterday. Sure there were misses here and there, but there were several times that Foles had all day.

      • GEAGLE

        I watched the film last night…A few of nicks sacks were coverage sacks! where he had no where to go with the ball. We don’t like sacks, but sometimes it’s the only play…

        It’s rarely going to be smooth sailing for 60minutes…sometimes your opponent deserves credit…their were some rough patches yesterday, a lot to improve on…but we played a playoff contender, a top ranked defense, a veteran QB and a top NFL WR, and we were literally IN CONTROL for the entire game…we had a lead the entire game against a good team, and we did it with a kid who hasn’t even played 16 games yet, and a Dline who has been using these techniques for not even whole season yet..yesterday was IMPRESSIVE were I come from…

        • cliff henny

          it was pretty much 2nd downs. seemed like every run was for minus 5. then kelly went conservative on 3rd and long to not give up short field. more execution this time. think kelly’s learning it’s pretty hard to run it 3 times for a 1st against stacked line.

          • GEAGLE

            Good stuff…really encouraged by Nick and Kelce pre snap blitz recognition and the way our line blocked……

            The only time the line really struggled was when they knew we were trying to run the ball to protect our big lead and they stacked the box and probably forced us to throw more than we would have liked…but a good defense will always be able to take something away from you, the key is to burn it elsewhere…we did that!!! Great day

        • aub32

          I’m not blaming Foles for coverage sacks. Hell I wish he took the sack instead of throwing that dumb INT that wasn’t. My comment was meant to praise the O line who I have seen several people bashing. I thought they did surprisingly well considering the amount of blitzing the cardinals did. Even the RBs held up well in protection. That gives me a lot of hope going forward, especially considering the other 30 teams don’t have Patrick Peterson, who is one of the few CBs that can run with DJax.

          • theycallmerob

            good points; Kelce and Nick did seem to do a great job identifying blitzes and making the appropriate checks. Foles destroyed their 5+ blitzes in the 1st half, they declined from 70% to 47% blitzing after the half.
            Another thing to consider, which Mathis alluded to in the “Zone Read article”- ARI simply did what it had to do to beat us:

            How do you stop the Oregon Offense? It is the same way as any other offense and it’s simple. Defeat the blocks. By announcing the play in advance with the formation–we experience more negative plays losing yardage than anyone else.

            http://fishduck.com/the-chip-kelly-oregon-spread-offense-analysis/understanding-the-oregon-offense/first-fish-tutorial-the-inside-zone-read/

          • Andy124

            Much like Foles, I think they played significantly better through the first 2.5 quarters.

    • Esthrogen

      Foles played low-stakes ball at AZ on inferior teams. Played poorly in couple bowl games he started. Maybe just needs crunch-time reps in NFL in December. Maybe it’s an area that he really does have upside. So far, his play seems to suffer as pressure mounts.

      • Adam

        Dutch you didn’t have to make a new account bud. You’re always welcome here.

        • theycallmerob

          not dutch, look at the first comment. more of a compliment than anything, I think

      • Brian

        Pressure and better defenses. Detroit has a middle of the pack defense (but 26th in passing yards allowed). I’d expect Nick to put up some gaudy numbers. Bet the over.

        • BlindChow

          Kelly will have seen some things he thought he could exploit in the ground game.

          • Brian

            I don’t expect much from the running game. After Detroit though, we have very favorable matchups.

          • theycallmerob

            true; even if Shady puts up comparable #’s to the ARI game (19 for 79), should be ok. Foles pry picks up another 20 or so. Maybe Bryce cracks double digits.

          • GEAGLE

            I’m sure that wide 9 will provide lanes for shady…keep in mind, when defense have played Shady well I’m the run game, he torched them as a reciever….has shady had a game yet this year where he was held to under 100 TOTAL yards?

          • theycallmerob

            yes; actually, a couple times:
            94 total against DEN
            92 against NYG 1st time
            81 against DAL
            65 against NYG 2nd time
            80 against OAK

            only 3 games with >50 rec. yards- SD, TAM, WAS 2nd time

          • GEAGLE

            Geez..really? I stand corrected. Thank you

          • cliff henny

            little surprised too. not like he’s had a glaring 25 yd game. 2nd nyg and dal games should be tossed out…certainly dont represent the current team we are seeing.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah it’s weird for me to see those stats, I have Shady in fantasy, and I can’t recall many weeks where I had a problem with the production he was giving me, and I drafted him 2nd overall, when the consensus had him in the 5-10 range..

          • aub32

            DET is actually pretty decent against the run. They have better talent than the Eagles wide 9 front. However, they have had more trouble than you’d expect of that group getting pressure on the QB outside of last week against Matt Flynn.

          • GEAGLE

            They are dangerous against the run for sure, but I only really worry about their 4lineman and the 1 LB…the other two backers, shady can exploit…

          • aub32

            Gotta get past those 4 lineman in order to exploit the guys behind them. If Suh bullies Kelce and Herremans it could make for a very long day for our boy Shady.

          • GEAGLE

            A long day for Shady and FOles statistically is the least of my concern this week…if Kelce and Herremans don’t hold their own THIS WEEK, it can get our QB and RBs injured!!!
            ..
            I’d rather take a holding penalty this week than see Suh Blast FOles, ESPECIALLY since Nick has proven that he will stand tall, take those shots to deliver a ball…This is not the week for Herremans and Kelce to allow themselves to be bullied…we really need them to PROTECT us this week!

          • Maggie

            Well, if Suh can’t overpower them, he can always apply a foot to the cojones.

    • #7

      Foles played a good game. We’ll see what he’s made of during this stretch run.

  • Adam

    Am I just really jaded or does it seem like everyone and their dog wants to see us lose? It even felt like Kenny, Moose and Goose wanted us to. Their Visa play of the half was the Fitz TD even though they were down 17-7. They kept saying the Cards were really coming into their form this year but never said anything like that about the Eagles. It kinda bugs me when get no credit but I also enjoy flying under the radar.

    • Andy124

      They’ll come around. Well, maybe not the former Dallas players. But the rest will. Boomer’s got our backs.

    • theycallmerob

      Some folks just can’t get over being wrong about our college coach, and some announcers can’t help but talk without thinking.
      Personally, I could care less….and it seems Chip feels the same way. Already becoming one of my favorite coaches that I’ve been alive for

      • Adam

        Agreed. I thought it was so weird when Oregon fans followed him here to Philly. You don’t often see a cult following around a coach, but you can see why. He just gets results and gets stuff done. Thoroughly enjoyable to watch.

        • OregonDucker

          Adam – It’s the damn KoolAide Chip is serving. It is so good, but highly addictive. Now I’m an Eagles addict for life. Oh, the pain of winning!

    • Brian

      I found it odd that they, repeatedly, told us how well Palmer has been playing, and ignored his shortcomings. Overall it was a good job by the announcers though.

  • Andy124

    Pretty sure Cole was lined up and a tradition 4-3 DE on his strip sack. Anyone notice where he started from on the second sack?

    Hoping Graham’s recent sacks improve the odds of us being able to get something back for him in a trade. I like the kid and want to see him have a shot at starting as a 4-3 DE.

    • aub32

      Do you think Graham’s recent production is once again just taking advantage of bad Tackles that have no business starting?

      • Adam

        First was a great stunt, second was him 1 on 1 with TE I think.

      • Andy124

        Sure that plays a role. Honestly just talking about what
        I want this morning, not really in analysis mode yet. Need more caffeine.

        • aub32

          Ahh I see. Thanksgiving has now passed, and someone is working on his holiday wishlist.

  • BleedGreenJames

    As ridiculous as Foles has been playing, it’s a shame his 1 bad performance was so costly. Last night Cowboys clinched the common opponent tiebreaker with us thanks to Washington losing, so the only way to take the division now is to have a better record than them when it’s all said and done.

    In terms of WC berth in this stacked NFC, that’s looking like the worst record you could have is 11-5, maybe 10-6.

    If that DAL game ends up costing the Birds a trip to the playoffs, the Foles haters will have a field day.

    • Andy124

      Let ‘em.

    • theycallmerob

      if we somehow finish 9-7 or 10-6, maybe even beating DAL but still lose the division and WC….was this year really that bad?

      • anon

        11-5. If we can beat cards we can beat anyone left on the schedule. Lions might be tough their d-line against our o-line could be painful.

        • bentheimmigrant

          But the same was true about the Cards’ D-line.

          • anon

            I was more worried about their LBs/secondary. Lions don’t have a secondary so could be a riley cooper / djax day.

          • theycallmerob

            DET has a weaker back 7 than ARI. I love your attitude, love to see 11-5, but the fact we’re in the playoff race is enough for me.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I’m with Rob. We won 4 games last year and were worried about having to trade away are draft to trade up for a QB…..we really are playing with the houses money right now, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try and go take down the house,but if we don’t, you can’t call this season anything but a success…this year was about laying the foundation for a new era of football..even if we don’t make the playoffs, we have a foundation in place that we can be excited about..this season is already a success…we will have doubled our win total from last year and we are doing it with guys so young, and new to this system that the is no way they are operating at more than 70% of what they can grow into!!

          • Andy124

            So pleasantly surprised the way this season as gone. I truly thought 6 wins was more likely than 7 no matter who the QB was.

            This is like Christmas in, well, in December.

          • OregonDucker

            The Chip/Foles “mindmeld” will continue to pay dividends. The Eagles D is playing BEAST mode too. It is really, really hard for me to keep my expectations in check – I fear I am becoming an optimist.

      • Mike Calabrese

        I feel same way. I honestly expected like a 7-9 record at very best. We have far exceeded expectations. we have found a guy at QB for at least next year to build around and see if he is what he looks like so far. I honestly was so against Billy Davis hiring and can admit I was wrong. He has gotten more out of these guys than anyone could expect. Especially with new scheme.

        Overall this has put me back in a hopeful mindset with this team. I feel like there is a direction and I respect the way they have began that process. We have capable coaching staff looks like. We have cap space and a lot of young guys playing well. All in all happy, just want to see them finish strong as possible. As long as Foles does not completely collapse down stretch this season is a success and I am happy with way it has gone.

    • Brian

      Screw the haters. We were expected to have 7 wins total (optimistic), not after 12 games. Missing the playoffs was damn near guaranteed at the start of the season, and now we have a shot at the Division, or WC.

    • bentheimmigrant

      I think I must be missing something here… what does the NY-Was game have to do with our common games record with Dallas?

    • aub32

      If we go 11-5 then we are automatically in.

    • JReamer

      Tie breakers are as follows:

      Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

      Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

      Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

      Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

      Strength of victory.

      Strength of schedule.

      Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

      Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

      Best net points in common games.

      Best net points in all games.

      Best net touchdowns in all games.

      Coin toss

  • bentheimmigrant

    Has Chung been given a nickname yet? “The Teammate Tackler”? Seems too long… Either way, cut day can’t come soon enough.

    • GEAGLE

      Ernie sims is Chung’s nickname

    • theycallmerob

      ol’ cross eyes? the offense’s 12th man? the Great Negater?

  • Brian

    Two more TD’s and the 24 year old will set a new NFL record.

    From CSN Philly ~ Foles threw two interceptions in his first NFL start, last November against the Redskins. Since then he’s thrown 383 passes with 23 touchdowns and two interceptions.

    In his career, he’s thrown five interceptions in 461 attempts, one every 92 passes — by far the best in NFL history.

    AWESOME!

    • GEAGLE

      When your QB isn’t throwing INTs and your RBs,WR,return men aren’t fumbling balls, while your defense is forcing turnovers…..you will give yourself a chance to win, no matter who you are facing!!!

  • Scott J

    Nick has shown that he can be a starter for us. We don’t need to mortgage our future and move up in the draft to get a running QB. Next year he’ll be a year older, stronger, smarter, and maybe even a little faster. Same goes for Barkley.

  • broseidon

    Patrick Chung needs to stop hitting his own teammattes