All-22: What Foles Showed Vs. the Redskins

desean1b_400_all22In the days leading up to Sunday’s game, Redskins linebacker London Fletcher was asked if he still thought the Eagles’ offense was more dynamic with Michael Vick than with Nick Foles.

“I would say so,” Fletcher said. “From that standpoint as far as with the run threat, I mean you all know what Vick can do with the ball in his hands if he keeps it as a runner. Again, he’s turned some runs when he keeps the ball, he’s had big gainers in this offense in the past. With Foles, a big gain for him may be 10 yards. With Vick, it may be 40, 50, 60 yards in some cases.”

Fletcher’s response caught some observers by surprise. Foles, after all, had thrown 16 touchdowns and no interceptions on the season. And the Eagles had scored 76 points in their previous two games.




But the veteran linebacker wasn’t trying to slight the Eagles' second-year QB. He was simply making a couple of points clear.

Number one, Vick is more difficult to prepare for, although that obviously doesn't make him the better option. And number two, while Foles had been playing well, the Redskins still felt their best option for winning Sunday’s game was to make the him beat them.

That was evident on the second play of the game. Eight men in the box. Man coverage on the Eagles’ three receivers. One safety back.

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The Eagles kept seven guys in to protect, gave Foles a nice pocket, and he had three attractive options staring him in the face.

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DeSean Jackson had the corner trailing at the top of the screen. Riley Cooper had the corner trailing at the bottom of the screen, and Jason Avant was running a crosser through the middle of the field. Foles decided to go to Cooper, the receiver farthest away from the safety.

If you remember, this was the play where Cooper wanted a flag and probably should have gotten one. Having said that, he lost track of the ball when he was looking for it over his shoulder because the pass landed nearby and could have been caught.

Still, the theme remained the same. All year long, when teams have tried to stop the run and load the box, the Eagles have tried to do damage over the top. Most of the time they've been successful. Sometimes they have not. On the season, though, they have 56 pass plays of 20+ yards. That’s 10 more than any other team.

After the game, I asked Jason Kelce if he’s surprised teams are still playing so much man coverage with a single high safety against the Eagles, given the way Foles has done damage through the air.

"No, I’m not because I think if they don’t play some man free, we’re gonna run it all over them," he said. "I think that’s kind of what they’ve gone to to try and stop the run. Whenever a team’s come out and played us in zone, they’ve done pretty poorly. Really the only successful stuff that’s been on film is man coverage. So I would expect to see that the rest of the year.

"Luckily, Nick’s starting to really beat that. The coaches are having some great schemes for those [teams] that are gonna try and play us man, so we’ve been a lot more successful as of late. But I would expect to see that probably throughout the rest of the season."

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Earlier this week, I wrote that the one word I’d use to describe Foles’ play Sunday would be comfortable. After having watched the All-22, I stick by that.

For example, take this play during the first drive. Foles motions Jackson to the left, setting up trips to that side.

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Jackson runs a corner route. The Redskins are in Tampa-2, meaning two deep safeties and the middle linebacker dropping back into the middle part of the field. There are four underneath zone defenders, the key one being rookie cornerback David Amerson at the bottom of the screen.

In this concept, if Amerson pushes down on Brent Celek in the flat, Foles will have a window to hit Jackson before the safety can close in.

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That’s exactly what happens. You can see in the above photo that Foles has already released the ball as Jackson starts to make his break towards the sideline.

The timing is perfect, and it’s a 19-yard completion before the safety arrives.

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The question that will continue to come up in the weeks ahead will be whether Kelly is sold on Foles going forward.

We’ll have more answers a month from now, but everything we've seen so far suggests Foles can have success with Kelly. All season long, Kelly has said he’s running the same scheme with Foles that he ran with Vick. He was asked Monday if that’s still the case.

"It is," he said. "But I think when Nick takes off, it's not 60 yards, but it's 6. In critical situations, he can still do that. So that is the point I was trying to stress there. It's not an entirely different package. But I think in everybody, there are subtleties in there that Nick may like this throw better than Mike [Vick] likes that throw. But overall we're still running four verticals, double post concepts. We're still running the quick game, still running our schemes. So I think that part is similar."

The Redskins’ plan on the zone read, especially late in the game, was to crash in on the running back and turn Foles into a runner.

On this fourth-quarter play, the Eagles moved Lane Johnson to the left next to Jason Peters and left the edge defender unblocked. They went with two tight ends to the right side.

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The edge defender pays no mind to Foles and crashes in on Bryce Brown.

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Foles does what he’s supposed to do, keeps the ball and takes off.

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But take a look at the other angle. With a different QB, this is a huge play, maybe even a touchdown. There are two defenders chasing Foles down, and he’s got one blocker out in front with Cooper.

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Instead, Foles slides and picks up 11, which again, is exactly what he’s supposed to do. This is not a criticism of Foles. He can't suddenly turn into Usain Bolt. But it's an aspect of the Eagles' offense we have to continue to keep an eye on in the final five games.

There are certain zone-read looks that are straight handoffs. When you have a quarterback that leads the league with a passer rating of 128.0, you don’t want him taking unnecessary hits, especially if the payoff isn’t going to be big.

Still, Kelly admitted there were other opportunities when Foles should have taken off.

"He's missed a few and he'll admit that," Kelly said. "But a lot of that is through repetition. You've got to get a feel for how to do it. A lot of that is how much do we want to put him in those situations where if we hand it off, we get 3 [yards]. Yeah, we'll live with that. We're good with 2nd-and-7. But it's an experience factor. You get a little bit more comfortable, little better feel of it. You get an understanding of what you can do and what you can't do."

If Foles keeps making good decisions, if he continues to take care of the football, if he takes advantage of downfield opportunities, the limitations on those zone read plays probably won’t matter much. But Kelly might get a little greedy and seek all those qualities, plus the ability to maximize returns through the running game.

That, however, will be a topic for February, March and April. Right now, Kelly’s seeing a second-year quarterback maximize his potential. And with the Eagles in first place with five games to go, that’s all that matters to the head coach.

"He's got a really good grasp on what we're doing, extremely accurate in his throws," Kelly said. "Again, doing a great job of just making decisions and not putting the ball in harm's way.

"It's exciting to see him grow here."

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  • nicksaenz1

    Is there a Vegas line on whether or not we draft a QB in April? If so, I’m curious to know the odds. I have a feeling that even if “Foles Gold” aka “No-pick Nick” gets us into the playoffs, maybe even wins a game, that Chip is still going to try to get Mariota or Manziel.

    • G_WallyHunter

      That would suck if he does, I think I’m already convinced that using the 2014 1st on a QB will be a waste, Foles would have to play like he did in Dallas for 3/5 games for me to even consider changing my mind there.. 1st should be used on other talent, WR? OLB? S? please, just not QB

      • nicksaenz1

        OLB then WR, IMO, but yeah, I’m with you. Need a Dallas game and the rest just mediocre games to justify it. I just don’t put it past Chip to say something like, “If you thought what Foles did was impressive, wait until you see what I have ______ doing in this offense next year.”

        • G_WallyHunter

          Ya can see that, I just hope Foles is kept regardless. IMO he’s shown enough, with good protection and a good D (which he never had even close to last year), he’s showing he can do it. Then you have his attitude, best attitude any of us can ask for. CK has instilled this same attitude across the program, don’t care about numbers, don’t care about playoff chances (right now), what matters is the team winning and the next game. They’re all embracing that and Foles is leading it

      • Richard Colton

        It was an easier discussion to have when we were drafting 4th. Where we’ll be drafting (hopefully) too many variables. Say Chip loves, just loves Mariota, and he drops to 22? 18-22 isn’t too high to consider a Safety or a Guard. It’s a poor draft for CBs, but a rich one for OTs, what if a great one falls? And in the second round? God…who knows? Depends on the board.

        • cliff henny

          the one in freefall right now is Hundley. i wouldnt blink if went 1st olb, 2nd wr 3rd hundley and let him develope. the teddy mariota manziel sweepstakes are done, eagles are winning too much, foles is showing too much to leverage that many picks, think all 3 will be gone by top7-10

          • nicksaenz1

            Think the Khans would give up their pick for Foles?

            EDIT: Not advocating this in any way. Just hypothetical.

          • cliff henny

            this point, bird in hand, isnt it? see these teams chasing qbs for 20 yrs like miami. whats worst case, give foles more weapons and another yr, and we get tampa type games…and during those 2 yrs kelly’s had his grubby mitts all over a hundley or a thomas.

          • nicksaenz1

            Yeah, but what happens when Foles hoists the Lombardi and SB MVP in 2015? F Hundley or Thomas. Turn Barkely into good backup and ride with No-Pick Nick

          • GEAGLE

            Huh? I think every single team that needs a QB and plans on drafting one would trade that pick for FOles…I think their is a MAJOR difference In the way he is viewed by NFL GMs and fans/media….I seriously think we could have gotten a second round pick for him at some point last year between Febuary and August…and CHIP and HOWIE value him that much that we didn’t trade him….look it’s not a surprise to Chip that he isn’t fast…
            ..
            SK,TM,ANYONE…I BEG YOUS to explain to me why they turned down valuable trade compensation for a kid that NO MATTER how GOOD HE PLAYED would never be Chips guy because of his 40 time? Oh btw, we drafted Matt Barkley!!!!

            They held on to see how good this SLOW kid could become..NOW that he plays great, he still ain’t fast enough? Hah hahahahahahahaha aha
            When will it end?

            They turned down a 2nd or at worst 3rd round pick, so that they could gamble that if they played him he would fetch them a first round pick? Or he coulda sucked this year and we would have never gotten what was offered last offseason…if he would never be fast enough for Chip, you take the VALUABLE 2nd or 3rd and you don’t gamble it away hoping he gets you a first round pick later….

            maybe I’m the idiot! but someone is gonna have to explain it to me in simpler terms because it’s insanity to me, So either I’m crazy, or those fans are…

          • GEAGLE

            I think when it’s all said and done, some fool takes Hundley in the top 10…see Tannahill, weeden

          • cliff henny

            he is in freefall on cbsdraft board. losing ten spots a week. most dont even rank him since he isnt declared. he probably should even come out. sure he’ll drop more, but would offset that at combine, freak athlete.

          • GEAGLE

            I know..I just think he will redeem himself during the draft process….what you accomplish in college means NOTHING. See TEBOW and JPP as the two extremes…all the college success in the world means little…and lack of production also means little once you get to the draft process…I agree that today he won’t project as a round 1 pick, but by the time the draft process unfolds I think his stock significantly rebounds…I have a feeling that taj,Hundley,Manziel, one of these guys will get grossly over drafted into the top 10 by the Vikings or texans…and you KNOW Andy Reid ain’t passing on whoever is left over at the end of round 1…Andy is taking a QB. BET that!!

          • nicksaenz1

            Tannehill isn’t the problem. Most sacked QB in the league…. Martin’s fault.

      • BlindChow

        Not just a 1st rounder, since getting a good QB might mean trading a ton of other (and future) picks.

    • GEAGLE

      You don’t need Vegas…I’ll give you 10-1 odds that NO QB will be drafted in the first 3 rounds…

  • BHOtheLiar

    Firmly believe that CK needs 2 quality QB’s. Foles is one. Need one more

    • BrickSquadMonopoly

      Barkley was a waste then

      • A Roy

        Too early to tell. He needs a full off-season.

      • cliff henny

        maybe, but this yr eagles needed 3! take a logan thomas or hundley, give 2-3 yrs to develope, and go foles barkley. plenty of teams have worse situations.

  • bill

    It’s funny, because it wasn’t too long ago that everyone was convinced that the Eagles just didn’t have the receivers to beat man-free. One big change later, and suddenly you have reporters asking them if they’re surprised that defenses are still playing this scheme against the Eagles.

  • Adam

    Interesting theory at the end there. If Foles plays continues to play well, and Chip rolls the dice on a rookie just because he can scramble, that’ll raise some eyebrows big time.

    I’m all for drafting a new guy if Foles struggles down the road, but it would a very interesting strategy to try and replace a QB who is playing well.

    It’s been done before. Could we see it play out like SF… Draft a guy, then wait for Foles to struggle/get hurt, then go with his guy?

    • G_WallyHunter

      Then Foles goes to another team and starts 9-0? and Chip’s guy starts playing under expectations?
      Please god, no

      • Adam

        I don’t see it happening.

        • cliff henny

          yeah, no one else is under-performing. i hope eagles figure out a way to get more picks…let’s get kelly as many players as possible

          • Richard Colton

            what? nobody’s dangling a 2nd round pick for Graham?

          • cliff henny

            yup, finally, someone beig realistic, all this 4-5th talk for pff powerhouse..a yr ago, 1 yr rental for 3.5m. minimum 2nd, high 1st. not even sure why he’s worth a 7th

          • nicksaenz1

            It’s not a 1 year rental if you convert that salary to signing bonus and give him 1.5 base over 3-4 years and suddenly that cap number is under 2.5.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah, it’s only a rental when you trade for like a Jarius Byrd after the deadline has passed to extend the contract….but a 4-3 team who is contending and doesn’t feel like waiting for a pass rusher to develope, would have to see themselves potentially extending him in order to give up anything…..If you can’t see yourself offering him an extension, then you aren’t gonna give up more then a 7th or 6th, and even THATs unlikely, unless it’s in like August and someone got injured, but that ain’t helping us in THIS draft

          • cliff henny

            he only has 1 yr left on contract, most likely, as he does have 2nd, but team can void it, which is the assumptions the eagles will. why would someone extend him? what has he done on the field? his claim to fame is 1st rd pick 4 yrs ago…means squat to everyone but us. if someone wants him, just wait till he gets cut

          • GEAGLE

            You aren’t wrong…but no one thought we could get out of Soaps contract and his deal was what, a half a year longer before expiring than Graham’s would be if we traded him before next season…guys on teams in WIN NOW MODE get hurt all the time, and he plays the most valued position in a 4-3 defense, so I think there is a glimmer of hope…but I damn sure wouldn’t advise anyone to hold their breathe

          • cliff henny

            eagles paid 3m out of his 3.5m salary. at end of the yr pats walk away, owing nothing. sop was cheap for them, for 15 spots in draft. eagles cleared 1m in sal next yr and space for logan, really win win. or win, not lose for NE.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah, but the pats starting NT went down in October…a contender loses their DE for the season in August and it could be a different story…it’s one of the most important positions on a team…I doubt a contender is going to go without a DE because they don’t want to pay 3 mil for 16 games

          • cliff henny

            in the end, sop trade is a big nothing. my guess, all this discussion over graham and his situation, and the same will be said about that.

          • GEAGLE

            Did you catch Marcus Smart and Jabari last night?

            MCW
            Smart if the Pelicans deliver the 6th pick, Selden if it’s the 13th
            Parker
            Nerlens
            Gortat..or whoever we get to play Center
            ..
            I want Parker so bad. Not just a great SF..when we go with a small line up, slide Parker at the 4 with Nerlens at the 5..That’s CRAZY athleticism, front Court speed up and down the court, ability to switch defending all pick n rolls…

            I need Jabari in this city

          • cliff henny

            no, my sister got me addicted to modern family reruns, lol.
            .
            i heard and saw highlites of parker. cant wait till hinkie starts wheeling and dealing

          • GEAGLE

            Assuming ET is moved at Xmas, Hawes at the deadline…Thad will stay unless Hinkie really likes what’s being offered…He will accept the best deal for ET and hawes

          • jabostick

            If the Eagles are picking in the low 20’s and one of the QB’s fell, I could a team that picked earlier trading into the 1st round. That might be the best option for getting an extra pick

          • GEAGLE

            I would not be ok with trading our first round pick if it’s in the 20’s….I take van Noy without blinking and go right to sleep and get ready for the next day

        • UncleCarm

          Yeah, that never happens.

    • jabostick

      If someone falls, I could see him making the pick but if Foles keeps it up then we won’t (or won’t have to) go chasing a QB.

      One of the diff’s between us and SF is that they had a relatively complete team going into that draft. Made for an easy ‘best player available’ rationale. It would be another offseason of “who will it be?”. There’s enough holes on this team that I’d hope they’d use it elsewhere

      • Adam

        Agreed, and I think Foles is much less limited than Smith. I think Tommy Lawlor said it best that Smith was a true game manager but a limited QB, whereas Foles shouldn’t be labelled as a game manager just because he doesn’t turn the ball over. He can make plays.

    • Coatesvillain

      If we know anything about Chip Kelly it is that he values competition. That’s why I fully expect him to take a QB in the draft. Not only to push Foles, but also Barkley. I wouldn’t be surprised if this QB is more mobile.

      We also know (from watching the NFL this season) that having a competent backup is valuable. So there is no penalty in drafting a QB while still sticking to your draft board and taking BPA.

      • Adam

        Agreed. No qualms with bringing in someone to compete. My issue would be using our first.

        • BlindChow

          I’d tend to agree with you, but mostly I’d just be opposed to trading up to get one. If Kelly likes a guy where we’re picking, I wouldn’t object.

  • morgan c

    SK: “But take a look at the other angle. With a different QB, this is a huge
    play, maybe even a touchdown. There are two defenders chasing Foles
    down, and he’s got one blocker out in front with Cooper.”

    That is correct, but of course, the flip side is “With a different QB, wouldn’t the defense play the whole situation completely differently and limit those lanes?” The reason Foles had that opportunity is precisely because the defense was giving his run no respect. With Vick in there, there is no way there is that much room to begin with.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Yup, woulda been 4 defenders in the area instead of 2, good point
      Really hard to compare specific plays between the QBs like that

    • Brandon Boykin, OLB

      But then you could argue that Shady is breaking a larger run with less defenders on him. I think that goes to the overall scope of what Sheil is saying here.

      I’m pretty sure the arguments are done at this point but here’s my disclaimer: not advocating for another QB. I’m just trying to fill in the holes for Sheil. Foles is my fantasy QB. So I’m definitely not advocating for another.

      • theycallmerob

        earlier in the year, it seemed defenses were selling out to stop both (the run game in general, more use of counter-zone read techniques like stunting and lb coming over to fill that gap). the topic back then was no other receiver besides DJax (WR or TE) were making the big plays.
        At the end of the day, Kelly has constantly preached decision-making and accuracy over wheels. What the heck are the odds we somehow land on that perfect qb, wither a later round draft pick, who is guaranteed to come in and succeed in the NFL right away while Shady and DJax are still in their prime? The way some people describe the “Kelly QB”, it’s basically Aaron Rodgers 2.0. how often does a guy like that come along?
        Franchise star or not, Foles continues to look like a guy who can play and win in this league. Having that “proven” factor, especially if he carries it the rest of the season, is a huge feather in his cap

        • cliff henny

          let’s not forget, rodgers sat for 3 yrs. he has to get totally reworked and gb had the time.

          • theycallmerob

            remember those days? when QBs were drafted, and there was a general patience around letting them develop? heck, some guy didn’t even play their first year!

          • cliff henny

            some people know in Jr High. richard colton needs just to 2nd grade i think

          • Richard Colton

            damn right!

          • Adam

            Yeah it’s an interesting dynamic. Definitely has a lot to do with rookie salary cap. You had to sell the farm to get the cow back in the day so you pretty much had to give a QB a chance. Now a first round pick is chump change in comparison so you need to put up or you’re going to get your coach fired, which will most likely send you to the unemployment line.

          • southy

            I think it’s coaches being impatient these days, seeing a handful of guys come in right away and make plays. When Reid took McNabb, he sat behind Doug Freaking Pederson for the better part of the season. Reid managed that message well. We were going to be patient and do it the right way. I like that idea.

            For every Russel Wilson or Luck there are other guys like Harrington and Carr who were talented but were so traumatized by their first year they could never put it together. I fear even the vaunted RG3 could go in that direction. He’s being asked to put his team on his shoulders with little help and it’s starting to break him.

          • livingonapear

            Didn’t Pederson have it in his contract that he would be named the starter without a competition?

          • southy

            dunno. that would be an odd thing to put into a contract if it wasn’t going to be the plan all along.

        • aub32

          I’d argue the better parallel would be SF. Drfating a QB early would not mean that QB has to start. Foles would be our A. Smith with a guy like Manziel being our Kaep. Foles can win games while Manziel gets coached up. Then we can transition seamlessly and collect our randsom for Foles. The team upgrades at the most important position while remaining competitive throughout, and we basicially get our draft pick back if we trade Foles. I don’t see the downside.

          • theycallmerob

            the only hope (and risky downside) is the ceiling for the young guy being higher and attainable when compared to the incumbent. I know it’s an imperfect comparison, but looking at some of Kaep’s performances this year kinda dulls his shine (although I do like him personally, and still see it as an upgrade from Smith). Sure, the team around him has changed, but that will be said about any team and any QB.
            If that situation played out, Kelly would tie his fate to that kid.

          • aub32

            That’s true. However, I would argue that Kaep decline directly correlates to his lack of weapons. He hasn’t had Crabtree all season. Boldin can’t get open, and Davis keeps getting hurt. Plus his O line just isn’t the same. I’d argue he would be putting up much more impressive numbers with the talent we have here on offense.

            Kelly knows this QB crop better than most having coached, recruited, and/or played against them. I’m sure he would have full confidence before pulling the trigger.

          • theycallmerob

            Sticking with the forward thinking vibe, ideally I hope the team develops that early big ben/steelers setup from a few years back.
            Let’s say Foles starts this year. Does well enough that he’s the assumed incumbent going into 2014. Kelly gets a whole draft and FA period to target his players- and hopefully a big upgrade on defense. If Davis can coach that unit up to Top10 in scoring by 2015, almost any QB could step into our scheme and score about 17-21 a game. The D and run game certainly led that franchise for awhile, and Ben was able to come into an ideal situation and succeed while developing.
            I’m not saying that to predict Foles follows that path, it could work either way going into 2015- great Eagles team on both sides, with either a healthy “franchise” Foles or the QB of the future.

          • aub32

            I don’t think we are in disagreement. The rest of the team is in need of upgrades as well. I just don’t believe you ever pass on the chance to upgrade at QB. I wouldn’t give up an RG3 sized randsom. However, I wouldn’t dismiss the notion of getting a QB early. If at the very least you get a good backup who can trade bait later. Foles has missed time in both seasons. The Packers will likely miss the playoffs because Rodgers went down for 4 games. Do you see any FA that you want as a backup? Again I don’t see where taking a QB early doesn’t benefit the team.

          • theycallmerob

            You’re right. Not in disagreement. For me, it’s just a matter of not seeing a QB outside the top3 who is guaranteed to come in here next year and be anything more than what Barkley is now. Honestly, I hope he develops into the backup. Don’t think his time so far is a true reflection of his abilities, and (again) the scenario above makes it easier for any QB to come in and play. As shown again this year, not every team has a viable backup. Most don’t have viable starters.
            Also, not a fan of FAs, draft a guy to develop as #3. Keep this team going young.

          • aub32

            Exactly. The way I see it competition brought out the best in Vick and Foles. Why lose that? Barkley was still a 4th round pick. I would think any QB we pick early would be better equipped to come in and play next year. Let Foles and the new kid duke it out throughout the season. This team can handle that. The winner is the starter. The loser will likely have shown flashes to warrant a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Hell we got a 2nd and DRC for Kolb. Barkley is still your number 3 and will hopefully be a good backup by the time it comes to dish either Foles or the new kid. Let’s keep bad FA backups of this squad.

          • theycallmerob

            again, my only issue with that scenario is my own personal view that there is no QB in this draft- particularly where we’re drafting- that will somehow come in and really compete with Foles. I’m underwhelmed. I believe even a 2nd or 3rd rounder, if they go that high, is coming in and competing more with Barkley right off the bat. And obviously, a later round guy would be strictly developmental and result in a few more Dixon and Kinne types in camp.

          • aub32

            I can’t disagree with that. The whole basis of my arguement is that there is a QB worthy of being picked early by us. If you don’t think that there is one then it kind of makes my whole scenario a pretty moot point.

          • theycallmerob

            do you follow college? see one you like?
            and even so, aside from Bridgewater….I have to agree with Andy’s post above. If Foles even maintains level of play, he’s not going into 2014 competing. Kelly came into that situation this year, the competition was his fair way of deciding. Kelly’s not dumb enough to violate the “if it ain’t broke…” rule

          • aub32

            I have said time and time again Foles could make getting competition unnecesary. I am speaking of my opinion right now. I am not the biggest college fan. I usually only watch games when ranked teams play. I do like Boyd, Manziel and even Carr. Although I wouldn’t try and predict where anyone goes until the end of the season. Weeks ago I would have told you TB would pick a QB early. Now I’m not sure. Same with the Raiders. We will have to wait and see.

          • Andy124

            If the draft was tomorrow, we’re not drafting someone to compete with Foles for the job. The league leader in passing doesn’t have to re-earn the job. Doesn’t happen. If at the end of the season Foles is still in the top-10 in passing, he’s not competing for a job next year. That’s completely ridiculous.

          • aub32

            We shall see how things pan out over the long run. Again you know my position. He was really good in 3 games. He was very fortunate in another and the lucky plays made all the difference in his QBR. I have not ruled out Foles could make getting competition a non issue. This is where I stand even if the season ended today because though the numbers are good, it’s still a very small sample size against bad teams.

          • #7

            yep

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            RIght there with you. Though after the bye all but one team is fighting for a playoff spot so we will be a little clearer on who Foles is.

          • southy

            I don’t want to get too down on Kaep. He’s not bad. But not having top level weapons in the passing game is no excuse for under 100 yards passing. It just isn’t. Too many qbs make it work with a garbage receiving corps, like McNabb used to have. Remember Dietrich Jells?

          • BlindChow

            Earlier this year, commenters were down on the Eagles because teams were shutting down Desean and all our other receivers sucked. Then Foles stepped in…

          • Adam

            It’s not exactly like our shelf is much more full. We’ve got 1 legit WR just like SF does.

          • Eric George

            I think it’s safe to say Cooper is “legit” at this point.

          • cliff henny

            aub, makes little sense. manziel isnt going in 2nd, now he’s moved into top5 on alot of boards. the cost to get him would only be possible if foles was leveraged. then, going with 2 in the bush vs 1 in hand. probably still require more picks than foles would get. so, most likely not getting new qb another wr weapon or olb needed. keeping foles plus maximum upgrades vs getting tb mm or jm and staying in status quo for another yr or two

          • aub32

            Many didn’t think Wilson would fall into the 3rd either. Also, I never said he will be around in the 2nd. I think a late picked 1st round QB can still be sat and developed.

          • cliff henny

            read above, i went over top 8 qbs, tell me which one you want, that has any more upside than foles does today. wilson went right where they thought. let’s not act like wilson is awesome, he’s winning a ton of 16-13 defensive games. makes some nice throws, but alot of qbs would be winners with that d.

          • aub32

            Have you watched many Seattle games? Apparently not since you’d rather go with rhetoric than fact. The fact is Seattle averages nearly 28 ppg. Also, Wilson can do what Foles is doing but plays within his scheme. One of the reasons he’s had so many late game wins is because that’s when the team takes off the handcuffs and allows Wilson to take chances.

          • nicksaenz1

            That 28ppg doesn’t factor out defensive touchdowns, FYI.

          • aub32

            The post said 16-13 games. Call it what you want, but 28 ppg isn’t 16, and I’m fairly certain the D isn’t scoring 12 ppg.

          • nicksaenz1

            I have them in fantasy. They score. Obv not 12 a game but avg prob 4 pg. I also have Marshawn and he does most of their scoring.

          • aub32

            Who wouldn’t give it to Lynch inside of 8 yards. You still need to get there. That was my argument with this team earlier in the year. If the QB gets you inside the 5 and the RB takes it in, that doesn’t meant the QB did nothing. Also my point stands that Seattle is a more potent offense than what cliff was saying. They will be even more deadly with Harvin in the mix. Their record isn’t solely on their defense.

          • nicksaenz1

            Didn’t mean to sound as if I was jumping on Wilson. He’s been awesome for them. Their record is a lot on the D, IMO, though. They crush QBs and are generally stout against the run. However, I don’t envision them winning a shootout with, say, Denver or NO (unless it’s a home game) with Wilson. That could change with time, but right now I wouldn’t pick them against those two.

          • Andy124

            Things may change pretty quickly as Harvin gets healthy.

          • nicksaenz1

            Looked up my fantasy scoring for the D, D has 2 TDs but also has 26 takeaways already. Not sure who posted the TO to Points converted stats a day or two ago but it’s probably pretty high. Obviously it’s imperfect and the offense still has to score the points.

          • BlindChow

            Seattle was on top. The Eagles were second.

            EDIT: I might be thinking of another set of stats–explosive plays vs. takeaways or some such.

          • Andy124
          • BlindChow

            That’s the one!

          • theycallmerob

            it’s not a fair comparison; pretty much the only knack on Wilson coming out of school was height. Much more gifted physically. Not all 3rd rd picks are created equal. But he is doing a lot for that team, and IMO has shown the most of last year’s rooks (I consider Luck in a class of his own)

          • aub32

            Why are you telling me. I’m for Wilson. Others are discrediting what he’s doing. He does a lot for Seattle and would do a lot here.

          • HowboutdemIggles

            Right, Pete Carroll knows his quarterback can go off, whenever he wants to, as I stated before he took the reigns off and let his horse go, when he wants to. He can be the guy that can throw over 40 times, but everyone knows that defense will come to play and Marshawn has never been taken down by just one guy, in his life.

          • HowboutdemIggles

            You haven’t really watched too many Seattle Seahawks games, because Wilson is playing pretty well, yeah he throws picks sometimes, but that’s the NFL, he’s pretty much a pocket passer, he just has the ability to run, at best he’s a Steve Young type, a really good passer with the ability to run as a last resort, at worst he’s Randall Cunningham. I mean look at the games he’s squeaked out, he’s a competitor and can win games, I don’t know if it’s by himself, but comebacks vs Indianapolis, do you remember just last year those consecutive games of 42 or more points? They scored 58 vs Arizona, and 50 vs Buffalo, then blew out the eventual NFC Champions 42-13. Yeah he can struggle in some games, but he’s the second best quarterback from that draft.

          • nicksaenz1

            There’s no parallel and many holes in this theory of yours. Foles is doing better than Alex Smith ever has in his career. If Foles keeps this up, or even 80% of what he’s doing, and we are winning games, there’s no “seamless transition” unless Foles starts to suck and goes down for a few weeks and all of this “coaching up” turns directly into wins right away like Kaep with ridiculous performances out of Manziel. If Foles manages to suck, then you don’t get the quality “ransom”. The downside? That Manziel doesn’t transition to the NFL QB spot and you wasted a 1st or 2nd round pick on him instead of getting more weapons. Huge downside. Keeps us about where we are instead of moving forward.

          • aub32

            First off, I’m pretty sure we get more than one draft pick and there’s FA. So picking a QB early does not mean we don’t improve at all.

            Foles does not have to such for there to be a seamless transition. Smith didn’t suck last year. He was winning games. In fact every player wasn’t happy about the switch. The coach made the decision regardless. Kelly is that type of coach.
            ….
            Also, if Foles starts to suck (which in my scenario he doesn’t) wouldn’t that be all the more reason to take some precaution and have some legit competition ready. Kelly always says you need two QBs.

          • nicksaenz1

            How many of those draft picks always pan out? Best talent to add is in the first 2 or 3 rounds, and given our need at OLB, it’s a waste of a pick. If all any Kelly QB needs is a little coaching up, we’ll be alright with Barkley after some coaching up and practice reps… Smith GOT CONCUSSED to facilitate the transition, so, it’s not seamless and relies upon injury. And, by the way, Kaep pretty much sucks right now and people are talking about possible benching. So all of your concerns are answered without wasting a draft pick on a QB, assuming Foles continues his play, which I know was a given in our scenario, but want to restate. I’m aware that if he starts crapping the bed that we’ll very possibly draft a QB, then.

          • EaglePete

            dont like the idea of a possible fan favorite sitting on the bench, any bad game is magnified and you then put the starter in an uncomfortable spot. I get they are all pros and it shouldnt matter but when its a young starter I think it does matter. I think you still take that chance if the opportunity to draft someone like that is there it would just worry me with a top drafted QB waiting in the wings. All depends how rest of season shakes out of course. Foles plays poorly more often than not and of course I wouldnt give a …. at that point about feelings. Just saying I dont think you can discount that is all esp if Foles plays lights out rest of the way.

          • HowboutdemIggles

            You can do that, and bank on it, but it’s not guaranteed that any quarterback will in fact be the next Kaepernick. Why can’t Foles be the next Brady? Why give Alex Smith seven years, with Foles playing better in his second year, than Alex did in his first two? You’re just going to say that draft a guy, then he will work out exactly like Kaepernick, but look at how he’s struggling in San Fran, he had a similar game that Foles had, the only difference is Kapernick threw a pick, Foles did not.

        • southy

          Aaron Rodgers, no, but you look at what was available in a guy like Alex Smith this offseason, and it’s hard to say he wouldn’t have been a perfect fit in an offense like this. (not meaning to dis Foles at all)

          • theycallmerob

            really? you want a guy that can’t throw downfield? what exactly does Smith bring to the table over Foles at this point?

          • anon

            yeah he’s very limited as a passer — see denver game. He can’t WIN a game with offense.

          • BlindChow

            Yeah, and that’s with Andy Reid calling the plays. You know Reid wants to throw the ball downfield. The fact he’s not tells you quite a lot about what he thinks Smith can and cannot do…

          • aub32

            I agree. Smith is much more of an athlete, but he’s not even trying to look downfield. Reid is likely wishing he upped his bid for Foles.

          • southy

            I figured you might respond that way. I’m NOT saying I prefer Smith to Foles. I’m saying Smith is a guy who is smart with the football, accurate, doesn’t turn the ball over, and has enough speed to scamper for 30-40 when the opportunity is there. When you look at what this system asks of a QB, it could have been a really good fit. From the standpoint of the offseason it would have been interesting to go after him if, say, we had cut ties with Vick.

            Obviously we have a guy who is playing out of his mind right now and I don’t want to replace him.

    • A Roy

      GEagle, is that you?

      • GEAGLE

        No…what I say is actually accurate…

        • A Roy

          I hadn’t seen anything from you and morgan was looking for the silver lining in Foles runnijg skills. Has anyone noted yet that Foles is a better runner than either Manning?

          • GEAGLE

            I know, just breaking balls…I’m in a feisty mood today, puppies don’t let me sleep lol

          • devCal

            if sleep is what you’re after, take them to Bad Newz Kennels..

            too soon?!

        • theycallmerob

          what is inaccurate about morgan’s statement? seems reasonable to me. I don’t think he’s taking anything away from Foles. If they continue to crash the line, he’ll gladly take 4 yards every time.

          • GEAGLE

            Dude…it was a joke. Not that deep…didn’t mean any harm. apologies..let’s move on and talk some Ball…been working all day,I’m hungry for football

    • BirdGang

      Yea but if there more people there to stop Vick then that means there are less people to stop Shady so pick your poision

      • southy

        That is the idea in theory. But this is really a case of the defense getting a bit greedy. If they respect the qb run option, then they don’t crash down on Shady and he doesn’t have to worry about backside pursuit, but they also have the box loaded up anyway so are still in a position to stop the run.

        Ideally you have a guy who can run a 4.4 who doesn’t get hurt and that can make decisions in the passing game the way Foles has been doing. Something like 2010 Vick. But that option doesn’t exist anymore.

        What would be awesome is to see a little wildcat sprinkled in when they are running the blur. When the defense is gassed, get up to the line with the same personnel but Foles at WR and… maybe DJax in the shotgun to run that play. Make the DE choose between sticking with the game plan, adjusting and giving shady more room, or burning a timeout.

        • aub32

          Committing guys to watch the QB would still give more room to the RB. Look at how well an old washed up RB did under Tebow who couldn’t throw a lick. So I think having a QB that can run, even with accuracy issues, would help the running game significantly. The RG3s, Newtons, and Kaeps are accurate enough to give you a good passing attack.

          • southy

            But we don’t have those options. Even if we did, the way Foles is playing as a passer right now he’s looking better than all three of them.

            And Tebow may have enhanced the running game, but the combined Denver offense was always abysmal and embarrassing until the last 5 minutes where God came down from the heavens to bless Tim’s arm.

          • aub32

            I only used Tim to make my point that the run game would improve no matter how good or bad the QB’s arm is.

            I think Vick showed to be that option, but he can’t stay healthy and has now lost the job outright. The option now lies in the draft. However, I do think Foles can still prove that there’s no point in even bothering with the draft.

          • southy

            Bridgewater is long gone, Mariota probably is too. I would love to take a flyer on Taj Boyd but given the way people reached for QBs in the last draft I don’t have confidence he’ll be around either. I’d take tiny Johnny Football as a project, maybe, but at this point only if he freefalls.

          • aub32

            If we draft in the mid 20s I’d take Johnny Football. It’s not like we’re getting Von Miller late in the first round. We could trade back and get him early in the 2nd for all I care.

          • southy

            I think Howie and Chip will stick to their same philosophy. So, sure, jump if you see value but sure as hell don’t trade back for a flyer when a top 5 talent like Shariff Floyd is still on the table. (I’m so glad Jerry is drafting in our division)

          • aub32

            Agreed and Ain’t that the truth.

          • HowboutdemIggles

            No quarterbacks this year, there’s so much more they need right now than a quarterback and if Foles continues to play well and leads the team into the playoffs he’d earn another year. Reaching for a quarterback first round, when you could get a safety or a nose tackle like Nix, and Clinton-Dix

        • nicksaenz1

          Sounds like a job for Brad Smith.

          • southy

            Not a bad idea, but I think the key is running it with your base personnel on the field so you don’t give the D time to substitute. It’s about getting a “Wait a second, where’s Foles!?” *SNAP*

          • nicksaenz1

            That’s why you have to get Brad Smith some packages, get him in for a series from the get-go, wait for the proper 2nd down and catch the D off guard.

          • southy

            I’m enjoying this. The team starts doing well and wouldn’t you know it? The discussion devolves into actual football talk.

        • BirdGang

          But how??? Vick was running the O pretty well. And lets not forget the teams Vick was facing. Now I am not defending Vick or anything like that…but I think this O will run way better with a QB that can run. Not a running QB. But a QB that can run.
          And like someone already said…if they dont crash down on Vick then that is one less person for Shady.
          But either way…I am happy with this season…and I love the way our players are playing.

          • jon h

            VIcks’ throws didn’t seem to be as accurate and FOles seems to be getting better protection by staying in the pocket and not having balls batted down.

          • BlindChow

            Also: red zone. Vick was terrible inside the 20.

          • #7

            It was early in the season

          • HowboutdemIggles

            Yeah, but we’re seeing that they don’t need a running qb. And yes I get the distinction you made about a running qb vs a qb who can run, but Foles is doing that, he’s running as much as he can when the opportunity is there. They’re ran well with a QB like Foles a legitimate pocket passer. Which is what wins in this league, Cam Newton has found out that in order to be great you have to be able to throw the ball. Same thing Wilson has learned, despite his height he can still put up numbers.

        • BlindChow

          Maybe Foles is that 6’5 wide receiver we always wanted!

    • aub32

      You realize that would just mean that Shady (our best player on offense) would then have more opportunities with less defenders in his way and the play more often than not still has a better result.

    • southy

      You could easily make the argument that because Foles is slow he gets these wide open opportunities, because the D just doesn’t respect him, and it’s actually an ADVANTAGE over a faster qb because the D is literally giving you 5+ yards. It’s almost silly. Take that all day long. Key first downs, 2nd and manageable, they’re just putting themselves in tough defensive down-and-distance situations all game.

      • anon

        Yeah thats silly. The lane is wide open but D knows the damage will be 5-10yds. MV the issue is 50-60yds on that same play. When Ds have to honor that big play potential it makes the McCoy keeper an easier option which is the option they want.

        Do we need the 60yd gainer, no? Foles just has to keep enough to keep the D honest and hopefully puck up first downs.

  • Jason

    Probably not the best spot for this post, but great article on Connor Barwin on grantland.com

    • nicksaenz1

      Good article. Thanks!

    • EaglePete

      yup I second that, good read thanks. A guy like that has to be good for a locker room.

  • borntosuffer

    This just emphasizes to me that it is MUCH more important for Chip’s QB to be able to throw down field when teams stack the box against the run and play man than it is for the QB to be able to run. Sure, both is better. But, only the down field throws are essential.

  • DEBO 215

    “And number two, while Foles had been playing well, the Redskins still felt their best option for winning Sunday’s game was to make the him beat them.”
    Errr…uhhh…I’m sorry…uhhh…what?

    • G_WallyHunter

      Better yet, make him beat them on their WORST SECONDARY IN THE LEAGUE lol, classic

    • Richard Colton

      how did that work out for them?

      • nicksaenz1

        Well, he didn’t throw for 300 yards or any touchdowns….

        • cliff henny

          captain checkdown could only get it to the one and needed shady to do the heavy lifting part.

          • nicksaenz1

            So THAT’S why #7 said “McCoy and the defense lead the team to victory”….. or whatever stupid comment he uttered.

          • cliff henny

            yeah. was foles fault cooper and celek got tackled at 1…lol.

          • Andrew J. Race

            captain checkdown … are you serious?! or joking cause when was the last time #7 hit cooper down the field…uhmm never

          • nicksaenz1

            He was joking.

          • cliff henny

            guess you werent around this summer…you’d of loved our main foles hater dutch

          • GEAGLE

            I promise he is joking

  • Token

    Ugh, gotta say…. I hate that Kelly is concerned that Foles isnt running even more. Lets just stop that crap. Foles is a passer. He can pick up a first down here or there with his legs. But I have no interest in watching him get hurt running RO plays.

    • Adam

      In the next part of his sentence he’s saying it’s fine with giving the handoff and taking 3 yards. I think what he’s talking about (at least few times I noticed) where he had a complete wide open lane and still handed it off.

      • Anders

        Kelly is 100% talking about when he is zone reading and he is wrongly handing off

    • anon

      Frankly it’s integral to the scheme, i think CK is ok w/ 3 yd gains, but CK really wants to attack the weakness in the defense. This isn’t a WCO.

      • nicksaenz1

        It’s not integral. It helps, but if you can pass, you can get first downs and you can win. It’s a nice addition to add to the gameplan of the D.

  • GEAGLE

    Is Kelly sold on FOles? Ha…maybe we take a 4th round flier on a guy…but FOles will be under center next year..

    I think you have to be an irrational DOPE to see it ANY OTHER WAY!!!

    The Kid has 11 games under his belt…people have to be insane to think Kelly won’t want to see what he can turn him into with an offseason as the guy, and another 16 games to improve….wanna talk about drafting QBs? Then talk about the 2015 draft…ish is OLD!! I told you all this MONTHS ago…when will people listen? Lol
    ..
    Like do I really have to wait for May for people to stop being INSANE?

    Screw what Chip wants, Howie and Lurie won’t allow such insanity!!!
    ..
    We had two good QB drafts in a row, and people forget what a crap shoot it is drafting QBs in the top 10

    • Andy124

      FOles will be under center next year..
      I doubt it.
      .
      .
      .
      He’s almost always in the shotgun.

      • GEAGLE

        As soon as I typed it I knew I shoulda changed it to avoid a smart Alec…smart Andy, same diffrence

        • Andy124

          Happy to prove you right.

  • GEAGLE

    Not having a fast QB will prove to be a blessing in disguise at this level for Chip…He will learn that at this level, it’s better to have functional mobility, than have these super athletes at QB who have t won a damn thing….wanna know why FOles is so damn good in year two? Because he couldn’t run around like a chicken with his head cut off in year one…he had NO choice but to develope as an NFL QB..

    You can keep your Rg3 and Kaps, who waste a season running around and throwing to their first, easy read…..coincidence that they are struggling in year two exactly how cam did last year? Give me a break

    • anon

      RW still seems pretty successful and has all the skills that you covet, mainly being an accurate passer and a good decision maker. How knows what’s up w/ Kap — i think they tried to move away from RO out of fear that he’d get hit, but maybe he’s gotta work on passing. All 3 of them looked like great passers last year 00 think all of the 2012 starters are somewhat having growing pains.

      • GEAGLE

        I don’t view Wilson as a running QB. I view him as a poor mans Rodgers.. You won’t ever hear me bad mouth Wilson because for me, his strength is his decision making, and that’s everything to me in a league where you don’t make it to that level without the physical skills

  • PaoliBulldog

    Face it, there aren’t many NFL quarterbacks with the size, speed and passing skills of Cam Newton. But if I had to choose two out of those three traits, it’d be size and passing skills. Small QBs get beaten up. Foles isn’t going to break off huge runs, but neither does Roethlisberger, and no one in Pittsburgh complains about it.

  • Adam

    With the difficulty of finding an NFL caliber QB who A) Can make most throws B) who doesn’t turn the ball over, I see it much more likely that Chip tailors his offense more for Foles rather than drafting a QB for the sake of drafting one.

    Drafting QB’s in the NFL is a complete crapshoot, and to roll the dice when you’ve got a QB that’s producing like Foles is.. well, I just don’t see it. I don’t see any of the rookie QB in the 2014 that can produce like Foles can.

    • cliff henny

      what is worst case in giving foles another yr with upgraded weapons? kelly certainly seems to know what he’s doing, feel pretty confident foles wont regress. worst case, tampa or GB games, with an int or 2.

      • Adam

        Yeah I agree. Build the team first. Kelly has shown he can make this system work with a variety of QB’s, and I don’t think there’s any once in a generation QB’s in this lot.

    • theycallmerob

      that’s what I don’t get. Even Bridgewater and Mariota aren’t exactly sure things, and they’re still going top5 (maybe 1-2!)
      I completely understand taking a late-round flier on a guy, like a Mike Barclee. But who is this young gun that is guaranteed to us in the late teens/early 20s that is > Foles? What if Foles stinks the rest of the year, and Chip still doesn’t draft a guy?
      There are at least 10 teams in the league who would kill to be in our position right now

      • cliff henny

        at 20, no way JM MM or TB are there. so talking zack mettenburg, or folesjr there, or david carr’s brother (with philly’s history of brothers, no thanks) wait till 2nd, taj boyd, or nyj smith jr, ummm F no! or mccarron, foles III, aaron murray, romo jr great numbers never wins big games while having elite weapons around him.

        • theycallmerob

          I’m talking more like the 4th/5th/6th round project. Think it was you who mentioned Logan Thomas.
          But yea….underwhelmed about these prospects. and 6 months ago, we thought Chip would have his choice of among 5 guys near the top of the draft, in a strong group! crazy

  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    “the Redskins still felt their best option for winning Sunday’s game was to make [Foles] beat them. That was evident on the second play of the game. Eight men in the box. Man coverage on the Eagles’ three receivers. One safety back.”

    I’ll just reiterate my post from earlier this week that this is how teams are playing Peyton Manning too, so I think the appropriate conclusion is that they are going to make QBs like Manning and Foles beat them DEEP instead of with the screen game and short timing routes. Personally, like Kelce, I hope they keep playing him this way. Cooper gets one step on his guy and Foles can throw it up to him (there was blatant PI on the play outlined above, as well as what should have been called PI on a 5 yard defensive holding call when Cooper would have had a touchdown later in the game).

    • Adam

      Teams are stacking the box against Peyton? And man up against those receivers? I could be wrong but that doesn’t seem right. All the receivers in Denver can beat man coverage and their running game isn’t near as strong as their passing. The only team to have any success against Denver was Indy and they used man/zone combination coverage,

      • Broadcasting Wisdom

        It is at least how the Chiefs played him on nearly every play in the first half (I went to bed at halftime so not sure if they continued to play them that way). On many snaps 10 Chiefs were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage.

        • anon

          They have better secondary with most. They also just used one play formation for most of the game so that Peyton couldn’t read the D. It’s hard to compare what the Chiefs can do to what others can do bc their D is on another level.

          In response Denver ran picks and crossing routes so in the second half Chiefs changed up looks. The biggest thing with Peyton is getting pressure on the QB and that didn’t happen sunday and so the Chiefs never had a chance.

          I am also concerned about Foles under pressure. He’s coughed up the ball a couple of times when he gets hit, sometimes he’s gotten lucky and been ruled down by contact, but hopefully they talk about that in the film room.

          • Broadcasting Wisdom

            He has fumbled one time, and it was when he got smashed by two unbocked players. Peyton Manning has fumbled four times. RGIII five times. Stafford four times. Tom Brady twice. He has taken numerous big hits without fumbling. There are plenty of things to get concerned about on this team. Foles with his 0 interceptions and 1 fumble is pretty far down that list.

          • Joe from Easton

            anon will passive-aggressively hate on Foles until he wins a Super Bowl, probably. He’s a local Vick fan. Nothing wrong with that, but when it clouds your judgment there is.

          • Kev_H

            Yeah, it’s like picking out 0-for-4 games in a Mike Schmidt MVP season. When QBs take unexpected hits while looking downfield a fumble is always a threat. Doesn’t matter who the QB is. Now if he starts scrambling around back there under pressure with the ball sticking out…

          • Joe from Easton

            You mean like our favorite southpaw?

          • Adam

            Foles’ numbers against the blitz have been really good if I recall.

      • HowboutdemIggles

        There were some funky plays in that game, those turnovers were killer, especially with the timing of them however there were turnovers in the Skins game too, but Washington was trading picks.

  • 1972

    I think the biggest difference between the two qb’s is foles’ anticipation throws. Vick rarely threw to riley cooper because when he looks up he’s covered. But if you notice in the bucs and raiders game foles threw the ball up before cooper separated from the cb’s. Unfortunately vick never mastered that part of his game

    • anon

      it’s not just cooper most of his throws were like that. But the ability to run does make a difference, and even though it’s a plus for Vick i think he doesn’t have those 50 yd gainers in him anymore, he’s come up lame a couple of time after big runs.

  • theycallmerob

    So…..anyone else notice that Robert Mays called Barwin a hipster today?
    Don’t know how I feel about that description.
    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10001087/connor-barwin-philadelphia-eagles-linebacker-nfl-hipster

    • nicksaenz1

      Did you look at the pictures? Hard to say he doesn’t qualify.

      • theycallmerob

        not saying it’s inaccurate; I saw animal collective in college, can’t imagine an OLB at that show. Pretty sweet, actually, I might try to run into him up there somewhere. But I find it hard to respect a man who decides with his own free will to wear skinny jeans.

        • nicksaenz1

          Agreed with the last part. Luckily for him he’s big enough that people would likely think twice before calling him out. I haven’t made it to Union Transfer yet. I wonder if he’ll check out any djs or groups at The Dolphin, TLA, or Boot n Saddle.

          • theycallmerob

            Let me tell you right now- I’m going up to philly over my school’s winter break to catch up with folks and see some shows. if I run into him, i’d for sure call him out. “Yo Berwin- big fan of your game, but my sister would like her pants back”. don’t worry, I’ll make sure my friend gets a pic of him knocking me out to post here.

  • Andy124

    If the draft was tomorrow there’s no way the Eagles are picking a QB in the first 2 rounds, and probably not in the first 5. Not with the way Foles is playing right now. It’s just an absurd thought.

    • GEAGLE

      Thank you smart Andy…I wish this city would just let the kid play and not even mention drafting a QB until the season ends,,,May is a long time away..

      We don’t have a young Folesy type at WR or OLB, so it’s understandable that we look at those positions in the draft. We aren’t going to outbid teams for Nate, so it’s understandable to talk about safety. But hasn’t this city written the kid off enough? All the crap this city has slung at him, I think he has earned each and every fans respect and support…I’m trying to go win a damn division,and win a home playoff game, with a kid who 12 games under his belt and dudes are talking BLOWING a 1st round pick on a position we have a very bright future already!!!
      ….
      Let me ask the haters and the fools who think good young accurate QBs will EVER be discarded because they don’t run fast enough a question? When is it enough? What in the world does this kid have to do to put this nonsense to bed? If the draft ends and we don’t draft a QB high, will you guys finally ready to believe? Or do you need to see FOles sign a 100 million dollar contract before Yous GET IT? Let me let Yous in on a little secret….he is NO Kolb!! We have a legit gunner on our hands…he will need two, three years of experience just like Matt Ryan did, but we have something HERE!!!

  • GEagle

    Cedrick Thornton on the left(brindle), Fletch cox on the right(fawn tan)….don’t have any pics of bennie yet on my comp..although I keep switching their names around as I see more of each personality

    • GEagle

      fletch

  • Septhinox

    I’ll take consistency at the QB position with the ability to pick apart a defense with their arm over dynamic with the ability to make a few 20-30 yard runs.

  • AZ_Eaglesfan

    Good diagram of the Smash concept against the Tampa 2. That is a great play call by Chip, he has been masterful the last few games and calling the right plays at the right time.

  • John J. King

    Kelly did not always have a burner at QB at Oregon or UNH. He has always said he adapts to the skills he has. If Foles slides to 40 yds. on 7 runs per game, what’s not to like?

  • John

    yay

  • neckdrick

    I see them drafting a qb around the 6th. Kenny Guiton would be great, he’d probably be avaliable, has experience in a similar offense and seems to be a good passer. Really if is avaliable late there’s no reason to take a chance.

  • motion

    Don’t count MV7 out yet. Kelly is no fool, the coaching staff is doing a better job than when vick started. Foles is playing light out now but I believe Kelly is in love with vick skill set in his offense. Hes gonna ride Foles now but soon as foles have a bad game like dallas vick will return like it or not. Dont be surprised if vick comes back on another one year deal every body just knew he was gone last year and look hes still here and they still not naming foles the starter now you tell me why.

    • Kev_H

      Heres why- the same reason he was running guys like DeSean Jackson with the third unit in the offseason. The culture Kelly is instilling doesn’t include pecking orders, just everybody preparing their best. As Kelly said in the offseason when everyone was clamoring for him to name a first string QB, it sorts itself out on the field and it certainly has.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Nah. Vick is done here. I do beleive Kelly has a preference for a dual threat QB ’cause it opes up his offense more. But right now you have to run with Foles – not simply b/c he’s playing well – Vick would have played well along the same stretch of teams – but you need to know if Foles is going to be your guy moving forward. Foles is a guy with limited upside playing well – can you imagine what a a QB with a high upside could do in this offense.

  • Kev_H

    I’ve been very excited about the Eagles’ chances since Foles joined the mix. If they fail, I fear it will be because Foles gets hurt on a running play and the season ends, disappointingly in a barrage of turnovers. I know the writers seem to be in love with this read option stuff, but hopefully Kelly is smarter than that. It all looks great on paper and works super in college where there are fewer games, fewer competitive games and more bye weeks (and effective bye weeks), and if you are a power house, even fewer road games.
    The read option is nothing new, but smart, championship, NFL organizations have used analytics to determine that using their most valuable position as a run decoy and part-time runner doesn’t withstand a rigorous cost-benefit analysis.
    One only has to look to the south where the Redskins moved aggressively to acquire the most physically and mentally gifted dual threat QB who has ever come down the pike. Last year he took them to the playoffs but was so battered by then that was as far as they could go. In individual games, taking hits and intense physical effort lead to poor decisions. Late in a game all the hits and effort contribute to decisions like throwing that ball up for grabs in the end zone on third down last Sunday.
    The NFL is clearly a passing league and if there is a formula for putting together a competitive or dominant run, it is finding a high quality quarterback and keeping him healthy as long as possible. If Kelly needs his QB to be a threat to run the ball, Philadelphia fans will remain Super Bowl starved. It’s as simple as that.

  • #7

    Every time I look at these all-22s I see where Vick could be gashing these defenses with the run or the pass.

    What people seem to forget is that the TEAM was still learning/getting used to the offense in the first couple of weeks. Now, the team isn’t even thinking out there at all…just playing fast. Foles is doing what Foles can do and we’re winning so I’m good, but we’re going to need big play potential if we make the POs. Yes, I know that Foles is making big plays…right now…but he needs to convince all of us if he can make the throws in the POs, on the road perhaps in bad weather.

  • RoyBaty

    Everyone talks about Foles speed compared to Vick, No one mentions that Foles is taller and can see downfield better than Vick. As long as Nick can read the defensive end, and keep it or hand off, we’ll be fine on the read option.