Howie Roseman Talks Nick Foles

foles_940_100813Nick Foles first popped up on the Eagles’ radar during his junior year at Arizona.

The Wildcats got off to a 7-1 start that season and cracked the top 10 in the national polls. Things went south down the stretch as Arizona dropped its final five games, including a 36-10 loss to Oklahoma State in the Alamo Bowl. That was just the start of the problems. Plagued by injuries and offensive line issues, the Wildcats finished 4-8 Foles’ senior year. Longtime head coach Mike Stoops was fired midway through the season. Foles, though, still managed to throw for over 4,300 yards with 28 touchdowns and 14 interceptions while completing 69 percent of his passes.

“He played on a team that by their own accounts didn’t have great talent on the offensive side of the ball, didn’t have a great line, a young offensive line, and he was knocked around a little bit,” said Howie Roseman in a conversation with Birds 24/7. “You saw him constantly get up. And you went back and you watched him on third downs, and his accuracy and decision-making. And then you try to put a guy like that — where would he be if he was on a really good college football team? What kind of player would we be talking about?”


His interest piqued, Roseman took an up-close look at Foles at the Senior Bowl.

"His presence, physically, was imposing," Roseman said.

"All you have to do is watch our screen game, and see how he's able to wait until the last second to get rid of the ball because with his wing span, with his height and his arm length, he's able to reach over the top of the defensive linemen and still get the ball out, which is very tough to do. And then he's a very smart guy...And so he had all those things in him and then you met him and saw what kind of person he is and how hard he was going to work, and you put that with the talent, and it seemed like a no-brainer pick at that point."

The Eagles held their first draft meeting of the season on Monday. Roseman and his staff are in the early stages of formulating a plan for an event that is almost a half-a-year away. Really, the process of scouting and evaluating never stops. Their job requires them to constantly look ahead, to seek out answers for the future.

There is no bigger question facing them than this: Is the franchise quarterback they seek already on the roster, or do they need to aggressively pursue one this offseason?

The Eagles aren't ready to answer that question quite yet.

"When you're in the season you're kind of in this mode of making sure you are evaluating the big picture and not trying to ride the roller coaster," said Roseman. "When you're low not kind of throwing guys under the bus and when you're high, not anointing them to the Hall of Fame. And that goes not just to the quarterback position but all the positions. That's a time for after the season, in a quiet time. You go back and read your notes, you get in a meeting and you figure out what you have and what you need. Right now, we're just trying to win games."

Safe to say Foles will hold onto the job for the rest of the season if he can stay healthy and continues to play well. Michael Vick, inching closer to a return from his hamstring injury, will be waiting in the wings in the event that the roller coaster Roseman referenced rockets downwards.

Foles' stock has shot up and management is certainly high on him, but there's no point in drawing conclusions prematurely or altering their approach to the scouting process. It will be another five games at least before they begin having real discussions about whether quarterback is a position of need.

"As a scouting staff, we're making sure that we're as prepared as possible with free agency, with the draft, with the evaluation of our own players, so that when it's time to get in those modes we're able to make decisions," said Roseman. "Right now, we're not really in decision-making mode. We're in evaluation mode and making sure we're organized and prepared when we have to make some of those decisions. That doesn't mean when a player is playing well you're not noticing it and you're not excited about it, because naturally we are -- we want to win games and we want to have good, young players. But we're not going any deeper in terms of, 'What does this mean for the future?' [it's], 'What does this mean in terms of trying to win this next game.' "

 

  • Richard Colton

    Barring injury, there is no reason at all to consider a return to Vick. My god, imagine if Vick had been healthy following the Dallas game and we sat Foles? What would the state of the franchise be?

    • cliff henny

      no worries, 3 things you can count on…death, taxes and vick getting hurt

      • GEAGLE

        You forgot the fourth thing you can count on….Vicks fans being DUMB!

        • GEAGLE

          Takes a lot of balls to downvote THAT comment without attaching your name to it lol…let me guess…Dutch? #7? Vick fans are too ridiculous to remember the rest of them…

          • Brandon Boykin, OLB

            I never sign in because, well, I don’t know why anymore. But if I did I would down vote that due to a gross generalization, and an overall dumb comment.

            Just because you support another QB does not make you dumb. If so, call your coach dumb. He was a Vick fan at one point in the season. Also, “FOles” made all of his fans look “dumb” during the Dallas game. Has he rebuffed that? I’d say so. However, at one point a Foles fan was “dumb”; and look at them now.

            Can I call you and every other Dion Jordan fan dumb? You loved the DE. He barely sees the field. You, with your often spot on analysis and prescience, are not dumb. But Dion Jordan would probably be behind Graham on the Eagles’ depth chart. Thus making that pick a waste of a first round pick. Almost a “dumb” pick. So, are you “dumb?”

          • BlindChow

            Miami is “dumb” for drafting Jordan, but only because he doesn’t fit their scheme. They’re using him as a situational pass-rusher in their 4-3, but he excelled as a 3-4 coverage OLB, with the athleticism to develop into an elite pass rusher.

            I actually wouldn’t be opposed to trading our 1st next year for him straight up!

          • Token

            Jordan is just WAY overrated.

            Guy played 46% of snaps his last season in Oregon. Just think about that. His performance in shorts shot his draft stock up.

            Thank god for the Dolphins trading up because I know we were about to pick him.

          • BlindChow

            Kelly was also very familiar with him, so if the Eagles had drafted Jordan it wouldn’t have exactly been a shot in the dark.

          • Richard Colton

            How badly could Miami use Lane Johnson right about now? hahaha

          • JofreyRice

            Nah, G-Kegel just gets really excited about things in a way you or I can’t fully appreciate. If he was GM and Dion were available, he’d have been on the phone right away:

            “YOU WANNA BE AN EAGEL!? YAAAAY! I SAW AIR BUD YAAAY!!”

        • Maggie

          Vick fans being loyal to the team and the starting quarterback is not being dumb. Holding on, even if a little too long, is WAAY better than breaking ankles jumping on and off bandwagons. As an aside, I recently acquired a dog, too. He spent the first 2 years of his life in a cage in a puppy mill, weighs 9 pounds (only 8 when we were privileged to get him). His DNA shows 5 different breeds, 3 of which are known as intelligent guard dogs or herders. In 6 weeks he has learned to walk on a leash, do his business outside, and no matter how afraid sometimes, he still investigates anything new. Never thought we would ever have such a tiny mutt, but wouldn’t trade him for anything now.

  • DEBO 215

    While I know they were high on Foles, he was still just a consolation prize. They intended to draft Russell Wilson, who was taken right before Foles and they had a deal in place for Squidward Pumpernickel.
    I’ve said quite often that I didn’t think Foles was any better then a Kevin Kolb, but he has shown in the last few weeks that he not only is a better caliber player then a guy like Kolb, but also really understands this offense.
    I’d really love to see what a QB with some wheels and an accurate arm could do in this offense, but I think Foles will be the guy next year and they will turn their attention to the defense in the draft.
    Michael Vick isn’t a consideration. Dollars to doughnuts, he’s a Minnesota Viking next year.

    • theycallmerob

      The wheels thing makes sense, but would you really say Foles doesn’t have an accurate arm?

      • DEBO 215

        Oh no, he’s extremely accurate. It’d just be nice to see a combination of the both. He needs improvement on the deep ball a bit but he as been spot on outside of the debacle against Dallas.

        • GEAGLE

          Be happy that he isn’t mobile…trust me, in the NFL…that’s a good thing

    • Richard Colton

      The Russell Wilson thing is interesting. But according to Howie, the same talent evaluators who loved Wilson also loved Foles. There wasn’t a “Wilson camp” and a “Foles camp” per se. The fact that they correctly identified two bona fide NFL QB starters in the mid rounds of a draft makes you feel better about the FO, doesn’t it?

      • DEBO 215

        Absolutely.

        • GEAGLE

          Damn right

    • GEAGLE

      I would almost rather see a guy with slow but functioning mobility in this offense, than an athletic mobile QB who will take more risks outside the pocket increasing chance of injury

    • Ryan

      Foles has a very accurate arm and the fantastic ability to avoid interceptions. Donovan made a career of avoiding picks. Average player avoiding picks = good player. Good player avoiding picks = great player. Great player avoiding picks = HOF player.

    • Brandon

      “I’d really love to see what a QB with some wheels and an accurate arm”.

      Yeah because they grow on trees. Has there ever been one ever? Rodgers/Luck maybe. Rather have them throwing then running though.

  • cliff henny

    nothing changes perceptions quicker than winning 3 in a row and 1st place. call it bandwagoning, flip-flopping, i just call it being an eagles fan, but riding high on davis, foles and Howie.

    • DEBO 215

      The best thing you hit on, which is getting lost in the shuffle recently, is the emergence of Billy Davis’ defense. They have been outstanding in the last 7 our so games….pretty much every game after the Denver drubbing.

      • http://julianivey.com/ Julian Ivey

        Yep. I was one of those people who wanted Davis fired after week 4 or 5 but pjcostello talked some sense into me and I’ve been enjoying watching the defense steadily improve.

        • Richard Colton

          you weren’t the only one. The Rex Ryan watch was on full alert here.

          • GEAGLE

            Speak for yourselves lol

          • Richard Colton

            nope. in fairness to you – you were just about the only person left in Philly who believed in Billy Davis. Good call.

          • GEAGLE

            Thank you sir….to think people wanted Mochino or Donnatel instead of Davis was madness…loved his pedigree, loved that he had some DC experience, everyone hated that he was a failure,but the guy wasn’t givin a chance to run his own defense til he got here…loved the pedigree..didn’t know exactly how great he would be, or how long it would take him to be successful, but he reminded me of a young JJ,and I KNEW how much better he would make us, having a real DC, over the mess Juan created..
            ….
            I liked Billy following Juan…I don’t know that I woulda liked B illy if he was following Jim Johnson, if that makes any sense..

            Sad all the hate I had to put up with from puppy killing prince Joeffry

            Whoever called me the anti Dutch…that was probably the sweetest thing anyone has ever said to me lol

          • JofreyRice

            Broken clock. You think anyone and everyone is going to be great no matter what, if they are an Eagle. It’s great to be a homer, but you have to remember your mania makes things feel different than they do for normal people.

          • GEAGLE

            Oh yeah, cause I don’t constantly crucify Nate, Cole, Celek, Barkley…after the way everything has unfolded you might as well take the backhanded slaps until I get tired of laughing at it! and just Shhhhhhhhh lol

          • JofreyRice

            Well, you’ve been banned so often from this site, it’s hard to remember what you said when, and on which handle. I’m sure it gets hard for you to remember all the different guys you’re promoting, as well. I do enjoy when you ramble incoherently about the same top 3 or 4 guys in the draft, and provide us with NFL news and notes as if you’re breaking a story.

          • #7

            You bringing it hard today lol

    • Tom W

      Wow riding high on howie too … strong words from a one-time critic. doubt most agree but howie’s results in last 2 drafts are pretty outstanding.

      Think this team has a organizational plan that is being executed very well from scouting to the draft to free agency to coaching to player development .. Lurie also needs to be given some strong credit for getting Chip, sticking w Howie, spending extra millions on HC, 22 assistant coaches, million on new video andweightroom equipment, and another million on all those subcontracts for the sports science guys … spending extra money where other owners don’t and credit for staying out of howie and chips way.

  • southy

    try saying “roller coaster Roseman referenced rockets downwards” five times fast.

  • JofreyRice

    Unless he totally bombs out from here on out, I’d have to imagine he’s already earned a shot to start next year. It’s just really hard to find a franchise guy. Right now, Foles is showing he might be it, you have to ride it out.

    Go the Bengals route. Load the offense with weapons around him and see where it goes. Gotta grab an OLB to threaten the edge in the first round, but use other picks to get a powerful WR, a backup running back with balance, and an upgrade on Avant in the slot. If Foles ends up not being the guy, you’ll have everything in place for a different guy to succeed.

    • Token

      Yea he keeps this up and its a no brainer. If they would take a QB high it would piss me off at that point.

      From what I heard Byrd is playing good ball.

      Byrd, OLB. That should be the two biggest targets. I am fine with Byrd and Wolff.

      Guess it depends on whats still around by the time we draft. Id be very interested to see a top 4 WR group of Evans, Jackson, Maclin and Cooper. But spending a #1 on a WR instead of defense? I dunno.

      • theycallmerob

        I agree with that post; a #1 may not go over well, especially if there are some good OLBs that drop, but I wouldn’t mind using a 2nd if they go defense in the 1st. Big WR with good hands is game-changing

      • JofreyRice

        Yeah, I think they have to go after Byrd. Or TJ Ward. Add a nice safety, somehow. I think it’s a tough year from speedy edge-rushing OLBs…that kind of sucks. I’ve watched a little of that huge 6’6 kid from Stanford, Murphy, but I’m not sure if he’s that “bend the edge” lightning-quick guy. Definitely gives you versatility.

        Aren’t there some big wideouts outside of Evans? He’s having such a monster year with Manziel, I think it will be tough to get him outside of the first–although, if he runs a 4.7, maybe he falls. Allen Robinson from PSU, or Brandon Coleman from Rutgers, or even Jordan Matthews from Vanderbilt all fit the bill. Could bring Maclin back to play the slot. Hell maybe Kelly even goes after Lyerla in the 4th or 5th. They’d be loaded with talent on offense.

        • Token

          I really wanted to see Maclin in this system. I think he could be a problem in the slot for teams. But if they are bringing him back, I dont want that to be their answer. They still need another guy. Jackson, Maclin, whoever, Cooper would be your top 4…. and a pretty nice group too. Money will be no issue this offseason. They could shower Byrd in money. Maclin, I really dunno what his value would be.

          There are other big guys but ive never watched them.

          Jaelen Strong 6’4 from AZ state, from Philly

          Kelvin Benjamin 6’5 from Florida State

          Theres actually a good number of 6’2 and over guys that are projected from the 2-4th rounds.

          http://walterfootball.com/draft2014WR.php

          • Richard Colton

            Size would be nice, but it isn’t everything. Just ask my girlfriend .

          • theycallmerob

            …she likes you regardless?

          • Richard Colton

            must be my rugged good looks, charming personality, and humility

          • cliff henny

            just tell her ‘i may not hit bottom, but i’ll bang the sh!t out of the sides’

          • Andy124

            Wish I could upvote again for the edit.

          • JofreyRice

            Depending on the playing personality, 6’2 is definitely big enough. I think Dez Bryant is 6’2. Eagles need a guy with that aggressive “my ball” thing going on.

          • Maggie

            Like Steve Smith on Carolina? Not big, but real determined!

          • JofreyRice

            Exactly like that. Altho, truth be told, if we could get that in a guy bigger than 5’9, I’d prefer it. But whatever’s clever. I just want to see a guy who fights DBs at the point of the catch, and forces missed tackles afterwards.

          • BlindChow

            Here’s the guy we need. Sammie Coates out of Auburn:

            http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/20/Beatmode.gif

            Here’s the video of the play:

          • cliff henny

            there’s absolutely no f’n way Maclin would agree to play slot on contract year. he dives away from 190ln cb hits, and you think he’ll take on mlbrs? please

          • JofreyRice

            on a 1 year prove-it deal? I don’t think he’s going to be making huge $$$ in FA. You could be right, maybe he rejoins FF in KC.

            Avant falls down after making catches in the slot a lot, he’s not breaking people in half like Brandon Marshall or anything.

          • cliff henny

            i’ll take maclin back, sure, but slot…he may have skillset, but, self-tacklin was well earned nickname. need a slot like cruz, throw it at 7 and gets 3 more on 3rd and 9. laundry out of lsu is perfect fit

          • Token

            Watch a bunch of NFL games. Where are all these slot guys that are catching the ball and then blowing up MLBs? Catch the ball and get down. This isnt a strong man competition.

          • cliff henny

            blow up? where did i say that. welker, smith in carolina, cruz, they spin dive lean…just have that 2nd nature to get those yd. maclin doesnt. in theory, maclin works, real life, it’s a joke.

          • Andy124

            I agree. But at the same time, it wouldn’t shock me to see Kelly and company find a way to coax that out of him.

          • cliff henny

            sure they can get him to line up, but cant stop him from aligator arming ones. remember falcon game where slant went right thru his arms, popped up for int, sealed game. the guy isnt comfortable going into middle.

          • theycallmerob

            but cant stop him from aligator arming ones.

            of course they can. 16 oz of nonfat yogurt, blueberries, milk thistle, st. johns wort, and a pinch of salt. take 2 a day, for a week.

          • cliff henny

            lol…see chippah show up with modified arm braces, maclin has to run routes not being able to bend arms like frankenstein

          • Maggie

            While you show some herbal expertise, I’m not sure about milk thistle. It is used in many compounds used for relieving menopause symptoms in older women. And St. John’s wort is a sedative. Unless, of course, you are making a point!

          • theycallmerob

            the latter.
            and thistle is also great for liver function

          • Token

            Guess we will disagree.

            Maclin was a first round pick because all he did was murder teams over the middle in college. Not sure why he cant do it.

            Hes gone across the middle a bunch as a eagle on slants and drag routes. Hes had success at those WR screens Kelly likes to call. But that must not have been real life?

            Id say just as many routes from the slot finish to the outside of the field as they would if you lined up outside.

            But I get it. Some people just never cared for the guy. Im not saying hes the second coming. I just think hes a weapon and would probably not be all that expensive.

          • cliff henny

            big difference between running thru big12 swiss cheese defenses and nfl. guy is 26(?) coming off 2nd knees and scared to get hit and you want to reinvent him as a slot recr…good luck.
            .
            moncreif in 3rd would run those wr screnes as good if not better than maclin. get evans, maclin would become footnote in eagles history, just a top5 nickname.

          • Token

            We can name college WRs all day. But they are just names. Most dont pan out. We know Maclin can play NFL football. They will never draft 2 WRs in the top 5 rounds. Thats a ridiculous strategy.

            And again, Maclin made plenty of catches across the middle in the NFL, with the Eagles. Hes also been good in the redzone. You dont do that by not having field awareness.

          • theycallmerob

            I have to agree with Token, don’t see more than 1 WR being drafted before rd. 6. Plenty of late rd guys:
            -L’Damian Washington, Mizzou. 6’4, 205, 4.4. needs to work on routes. I favor guys who have an ” L’ ” in their name, however
            -Cody Hoffman, BYU, 6’3, 215, 4.55. 100 rec. as a jr, hurt a bunch this year. Get him and Van Noy together, mess with Andy’s head a bit
            -Tracy Moore, OkSt, 6’1, 215, 4.55. former hoops star, some character issues (something about the water in the WR dorm, it appears)
            -Michael Campanaro, Wake, 5’10, 190, 4.55. out for year with broken collarbone, but he is destined to be our White Wes Welker

          • cliff henny

            camp…he’s been on my radar for months! slots can be found in 6th and 7th, but it’s fun to fantasy gm. why laundry in 2nd is nice, if cant get evans, he is both slot and outwide. moncreif is same in 3rd. honestly, i’d resign cooper before maclin. outside that 1 tb catch last yr, he’s always just been a guy. but, i’ve never like maclin, that self-tacklin crap rubbed me wrong. foles and coop have something going. different coach, different offense,but cooper is putting up numbers maclin never even sniffed. it’s not luck, these are nfl throws, nfl catches, against real corners and defenses…just little hard to believe it’s cooper after last 3 yrs.

          • theycallmerob

            I can’t imagine another team throwing money at Riley after just 1 year, may think it’s system. Heck, some people may still be rubbed wrong by his statement to “flag” him. If Kelly wants him, doubt it would cost us too much for 2-3 years. Not bad if he’s 3rd or 4th behind a stud youngster

          • cliff henny

            hartline 5yrs 30m, 12m guarenteed…always someone stupid.

          • Token

            Ok, now I get your comments.

            Maclin has been a productive WR. His biggest problem is being consistently healthy.

          • Maggie

            “white” Wes Welker?

          • Andy124

            I don’t get it either, but I’m pretty positive it’s funny.

          • theycallmerob

            WWW represents the archetype that is the 5’9, 190 slot WR on almost every other team in the NFL, who usually decimates the Eagles. These players represent the true Papale story- undersized, late-round pick but an excellent route-runner with heart, smarts, and an uncanny ability to convert on 3rd-9.
            In essence, everything that Chad Hall wasn’t but could’ve been.

            Examples- Welker, Edelman, Amendola, Stokley, Woodhead, Beasley

          • Andy124

            Amendola was an Eagle. :/ But yeah, the fact that Wes Welker is white made me think that the addition of the “white” prefix referenced some form of hilarity.

          • theycallmerob

            I had to clarify, in case Riley’s reading….didn’t want him to think I was advocating for some other WR

          • cliff henny

            think avant is on upgrade notice. i’d love to see laundry out of lsu in 2nd taken. that guy is perfect fit. heck, take beckham in 3rd, we know howie loves lsu

          • Token

            I dont understand. Are you just assuming it would be a 1 yr deal?

            He played slot a bunch in college.

            A slot guy doesnt have to be some bruiser. Seems the best ones are small and shifty right? Hes a mismatch in there. You can get blown up no matter where you line up.

      • Maggie

        You are so obsessed with Byrd, yet I don’t hear that from anyone else, no matter which boards or commentators I check out. Also, this FO seems to be thinking “rebuild with YOUNGER players”.

        • Token

          You obviously follow the NFL pretty closely.

          • Richard Colton

            In Maggie’s defense, the Grey Cup is right around the corner

        • Mike Calabrese

          I am pretty sure if you knew how good Byrd has been in his young career you would not be wondering why he wants him. The guy up until contract discpute was on pace to be top 3 or 4 safety in the NFL. He was a ball hawk and still is. Situation in Buffalo and foot caused very slow start but he is a stud and Eagles would be getting there answer at safety for years to come.

      • Adam

        Byrd has allowed like 2 receptions in 6 games for 18 yards, with 2 INT’s. QB rating of 0 when being thrown to. Something crazy along those lines.

    • theycallmerob

      any chance Polk fills that “balanced RB” need? Have you given up on Bryce and Polk? I’d draft big WR early, no doubt, but I feel a slot guy and RB can be had in either late rounds or UDFA. I’d much rather use a pick on the OL; Foles, with time, has shown to be deadly

      • Token

        I dont think Brown or Polk are very good. Id like to see another back brought in. Someone who can be a threat receiving too. Polk could stick as a #3 maybe. Brown has some tools. But im not sure he is ever gonna be all that good. At least not in this system.

        All that said, id never spend a high round pick on a backup RB. At least not this coming year.

        • theycallmerob

          could not agree more with your last paragraph.

          • cliff henny

            got fortunate with shady, but rb and corner seems to have as many 6th-udfa studs as 1st-2nd rd ones, without the duds like ingram

          • theycallmerob

            bingo. you get the true difference makers (OT, OLB, DE, QB) in the early rounds. It takes a true outlier….
            Look at the opinion shift on the T. Richardson trade in just a few weeks. Kinda looks like CLE fleeced them for the 1st

          • cliff henny

            banner brought a shotgun and a mask to that trading table

      • Richard Colton

        Has there been a player more up and down this year than Bryce? Tough to get a read on where he is in his development. And what’s the deal with the phantom tackles? He hits the line, picks up six yards and falls down in space.

        • Token

          Lacks balance. I just dont think hes a natural runner. Plays small for how big he is IMO.

          Wonder if anyone would throw us a 7th round pick for him….

          • Richard Colton

            Haven’t seen anything out of Polk though, other than ST. Bryce has at least flashed some talent.

          • Token

            I think itd be nice to have a small fast toy back like Darren Sproles. Guys that can take these little screens and go 50 yards.

            And be good in pass pro.

        • GEAGLE

          He ain’t fumbling…and that’s a good enough first step for me lol….if shady goes down, I would start Bryce in fantasy in a heartbeat…I think he can get it going given a heavy dose of carries…he is always bouncing ish to the outside to make something happen with the limited snaps he is getting…I would expect him to play more Discaplined if he had to take over for shady

      • JofreyRice

        Maybe. I haven’t seen enough of him to say for sure, but somehow Bryce Brown keeps getting carries, so he can’t be killing it in practice. I’ve soured on Brown a bit, as you can tell. I don’t know what’s wrong with his balance, and I’m tired of watching him run to the sidelines. I just have this sneaking worry that we’re going to need a back that can carry the load at times, to give Shady a break. Brown doesn’t run anywhere near his size, IMO, which is frustrating to watch.

        If either of those guys can be a top tier second banana, I’m all for it. I just haven’t seen it yet, consistently.

        • theycallmerob

          I’m not disagreeing with that. But I don’t see any back worthy of, say, higher than a 5th round pick. Too high of a bust factor, and there are always late studs.
          I’ll continue to bang my fists that our wealth of college knowledge from the new coaches will help with late round acquisitions.

          • JofreyRice

            If they can get a guy from the later rounds that can carry the load, that would be great. But I think if you invest a 3rd rounder, with the way RB’s have been kind of devalued, you might be able to get someone that the entire offense can run through, if need be. Like I said, I just have this feeling that if McCoy goes down, it turns into a pumpkin.

          • theycallmerob

            Since I’m on a roll with the draft today….
            take a look at some prospects. weak draft overall. I’m calling Gaffney, out of STAN, in the 5th (with the NE pick), and Kelly’s first comments recall a time he ran well against him.
            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/RB

          • JofreyRice

            I like Gaffney a lot. Very good, tough runner. I don’t think he lasts that long, tho.

          • cliff henny

            the 2nd 5th is going for lyoria. by now, chip and howie are sick of geagle talking about jordan, so they’ll toss him a bone

    • Engwrite

      #1 need: a corner

      • Token

        no way. They need another corner, but its not at the top.

        Superstar corners are so vastly overrated now. You just dont need it. You just need guys that can play. What does a Revis really do for you? Cover one guy right?

        Ill take a stud safety over a stud corner in todays NFL.

      • theycallmerob

        no corner is worth a high pick in this draft. they just don’t pan out. go check on claiborne, milliner, rhodes, etc.

        • Engwrite

          Doesn’t change the need. And, some do pan out.

  • GEAGLE

    Just got my 3rd Cane Corso puppy…I’d like to introduce everyone to puppy Bennie Logan…

    Now I have the entire starting DLine..Fletcher, Cedric’s and Bennie lol…

    • BlindChow

      Pics or it didn’t happen.

      • GEAGLE

        How do I post pics on this site?…if you tell me how to post pics, I will post some crazy pics from Sundays game too

        • Richard Colton

          Think Will is the expert there

          • GEAGLE

            He is always posting pics from the internet tho…I don’t think he ever posted a pic from his phone…although that probably doesn’t make a difference these days

          • Andy124

            You can get an account for free from photobucket, upload your photos there, then it provides you a url you can use to post the photos here.

          • GEAGLE

            Thanks mate…I’ll get on it when I get home from work

          • Andy124

            Actually, I just noticed there’s a little icon at the bottom left of the text box you post from here. Click that icon and it gives you the option to upload a photo directly.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol oh crap…I must have seen that box 3 million times, and had NO clue what it was for…extended brain fart lol

      • JofreyRice

        probably a labradoodle named Koy.

        • nicksaenz1

          At least he would have picked the Detmer with the best TD celebration

    • nicksaenz1

      When are you going to get a Great Dane and name him Foles?

      • GEAGLE

        Hahaha…next is a Fast explosive Akita named Vinny Curry…just want to make sure he isn’t traded this offseason first.i love FOles, but I really don’t care much about offense…if so many people didn’t talk about him as chopped liver, I. Woulda never been so vocal about him…

        • Andy124

          Akita’s can be very dog agressive. Really beautiful dogs though.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol a Cane Corso isn’t exactly a gentile Giant either lol
            ..
            Father is 140lbs, mother was like 115lbs before getting pregnant,,,they usually have like 7 puppy litters, this one only had 3 pups, vet said they will be HUGE!
            ..
            Haven’t decided on the ear and tail cropping yet..I know everyone does it, but I don’t know that I like cutting up an animal for looks..
            ….
            We have 160lb Neapolitan Mastiffs in Italy, but they are just big lazy drool machines..kind of pointless as a pet, might as well get a cat

          • Andy124

            I’m just happy my sphincter no longer puckers every time my daughter starts to pet my husky. He’s finally gotten comfortable with her.

          • BlindChow

            Yeah, I know what you mean about huskies. Here’s a pic of my Dad petting his:

            http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5336/9539409982_09952824e4_o.jpg

          • EaglePete

            all husky breeds runaway too often. They have that internal instinct to be free. They take off in an instant. Great dogs though minus the shedding.

    • EaglePete

      wow, cool. Those are the scariest looking dogs in the world, bar none. Not saying they are dangerous but anyone else feel free to google images of them. They are also the breed that killed someone recently in the news a few yrs back, 2 of them got out and took out a neighbor or something. Anyway, I had a 100lb Ridgeback until about a year ago so I know breeds etc. Thats awesome, cool dog would love to see a pic.

      • GEAGLE

        Thanks man…omg my uncle had a ridgeback, what a beautiful dog..love their Mohawk. never knew anyone else who had one of those…Love Corso’s…amazing guard dogs, won’t ever back down from anything…but out of the mastiffs, they are the most athletic and energetic breed..they are also ridiculously loyal and if he are a good owner, they will literally live to serve you…any dog lovers out their should go on YouTube and check out an 11 minute video of: “Jordan the well trained cane Corso”…

        I’ll def make sure to post a few pics…Corso’s were basically the roman war dogs…
        ..
        I also have a soft spot for Turkish Kangals and Czechoslovakian Wolfs(love wolf cross breeds)
        ….
        One job is not enough anymore..I will always keep my job, working for the MAN…but heavily contemplating opening a dog breeding kennel in westchester as a side hustle

        I’m really struggling with cutting the ears and cropping the tail…Cropping the ears is the CLASSIC corso look, and certainly makes them look badass…

        They are barely 8 weeks old..their were 3 in the litter, took home two 2 weeks ago, and they were having a hard time selling the 3rd and I heard they found an owner who would keep it in the garage! and I was like HELL NO, give me the 3rd..

        One is a dark brown/red Fawn…other is a light tan Fawn…and Today I brought home the black and brown Brindled, he has blue eyes

        • EaglePete

          my ridgeback was really loyal. Same also with the not backing down since they were used to hunt lions in packs way way back. I find a lot of the smart breeds are like that, shephards, dobermans even standard poodles (which get a bad rap for their lame haircuts). Im looking at an airedale as my next dog. Similar, loyal smart breed. (I want the no shedding deal) Part of that can be annoying though in some ways but as long as you socialize them its fine. They just get loyal to a fault at times.

          Not so sure about the wolf breeds, PBS had an awesome documentary about dogs. They did this huge study on wolves and it did not turn out too good in terms of pets. Their natural instincts always took over in the studies, they undermined any emotional attachment for instinctual behavior. It was really cool. Of course if its a half wolf it can have more of that natural bond. I met a lot of breeders interviewing for my RR, that is no easy job. Looks like a ton of work but ya if you love it, its not work right.

          • cliff henny

            did you see the one on foxes in russia? basically over 50 yr they took the most docile foxes and mated. it’s crazy, they show foxes out of same litter, 50 yrs of only docilest of the docile mating. couple pups in litter were like big kittens, just the sweetest things, and the others, they were mean nasty foxes. all messed up looking, non looked like a normal fox

          • EaglePete

            I did see that, how cool was that. Able to breed their temperment. Interesting for sure. Strange in Russia with all those cages lined up and the mean ones would lash out. I was actually wondering if that was the same show that showed the wolves, maybe not.

          • cliff henny

            dont think so…was a 60 minutes i think. was crazy how it destroyed foxes’ tails. i’ve seen something similar with wolves…it’s the lessening of testesterone, and how that effects them mentally and physically.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, I think it did have some wacky lady trying to raise a wolf as a dog. It would jump up and knock her kitchen table over when she was trying to butter her toast.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, that’s cool. I saw that too. The other foxes, I think were mated from all the most aggressive, vicious foxes. They basically took two branches in the experiment, identifying the most docile and most vicious foxes, mated them, and then switched pups to see the effects.

            Basically it was a nature vs. nurture experiment, and the conclusion was that some specific animals–by nature–are just more aggressive. The offspring of aggressive/aggressive were aggressive even when raised by the docile foxes, and vice versa.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, forgot about 2nd group. it was just weird how it was messing with the hormones, and how same litter could have a fox you could have as a pet and another that was ready to eat it’s mother’s face

          • JofreyRice

            Right. And didn’t they get more appealing, visually, as they became more docile? Like, they were changing, physically, to be more desirable for humans (fluffy tails, etc.), because a more docile animal would need a human to survive? Interesting stuff.

          • cliff henny

            like big maine coon cats. yup, that’s how dogs were basically created. the calmer wolves would be allowed to eat from human garbage piles, they mate, and etc…till, you have dogs.

          • nicksaenz1

            Nature always wins, Lodge.

    • cliff henny

      congrats…killing me though, going thru withdrawal lost my german shep yr ago. but, every sunday i hoping Wolff becomes the next dawkins. get another jet black one and name him wolff

      • theycallmerob

        you mean like this?

  • Ryan

    If you took Foles’ body of work and threw him back into the 2014 draft, he’d be the #1 pick in the draft. Everyone says that it’s only three games, but it’s not. This is six games against NFL competition–more games against quality opponents than the college quarterbacks play in a full season. He played three games before that and, in total (even with the clunker at Dallas), still has the highest QB rating in the game. He also really played very well during the preseason as well, but Vick won out due to some randomly explosive plays against vanilla defenses (typical Vick as he’s great until the other team game plans for him), BUT Foles ran the offense better and had better rhythm/consistency/accuracy.
    Realistically, Foles played pretty darn well for a rookie last season given the circumstances–crappy offensive line due to injuries, very few playmakers due to injuries, playing from behind and being forced to pass, and no defense; and he still did fairly well (as well as or better than Vick, a veteran QB with many years of starting experience).
    We have our franchise QB, guys. Enjoy it. I’ll be happily watching Foles prove it to any of the doubters over the rest of the season. This will go a long way in allowing the Eagles to strengthen the rest of their roster without having to spend a high pick or trade multiple players/picks to get a really high pick with which to take a franchise quarterback.

    • GEAGLE

      Today, he would probably get picked ahead of Wilson, definitely Tannahill and Weeden…possibly rg3, he wouldn’t be picked ahead of Luck…you couldn’t offer me KPernick straight up for Foles

      • Brandon

        To be honest I might take Foles over Luck. Luck breaks and runs as soon as his first target is covered. He’s a good runner but really not all that impressed with his passing game yet.

        • anon

          I don’t think that’s true luck plays (beats) better teams and generally makes good decisions with the ball considering he’s asked to throw 40 times a game.

        • Token

          Theres always a guy who takes it too far.

          • JofreyRice

            This is getting ridiculous.

          • Andy124

            I know, right. Like Luck could even carry Foles’ jock strap.

          • #7

            Luck will be an all-time great when he’s done if they get that man some help

        • BleedGreenJames

          Wow, c’mon… Andrew Luck’s OL is pure death.

        • theycallmerob

          If Grigson called Howie with that trade, I’d hear the laughter in Bmore. Luck is a stud.

          • Richard Colton

            What about Foles AND Cooper for Luck? Ohhh, do I have your attention now?

          • theycallmerob

            throw in that kicker, you’ve got yourself a deal

        • Ryan

          I intended to show where Foles would be taken in the 2014 draft, not his draft class. I’m comparing him to Teddy Bridgewater, Marcus Mariotta, etc. I think that you can safely say that Foles is, at worst, a league average starter and, at best, one of the better quarterbacks in the league. Thus, he’d be the first player taken in the 2014 draft. I don’t think that there’s a Luck (guy considered to be an almost surefire HOFer) in this draft although there are a lot of really good quarterback prospects.

        • #7

          LOL OMG you people are Foles drunk on here.

          • Richard Colton

            We missed you #7. It was getting way too positive in here. Yeah – Luck for Foles? come on. But you know how emotional we get in Philly. (FYI – “Philly” is a reference to Philadelphia, a large city on the East Coast in between New York and Washington DC)

          • #7

            I always try to slip in and see how you Folesies are doing. Believe it or not, I’m happy for the kid. Just need to see more. Sorry I can’t drink the Foles’ beer with you guys.

          • theycallmerob

            slip in? you mean you don’t regularly come here to discuss all-things-Eagles with the rest of us, mr. 2500+ posts? now you’re an alum? hmm., wonder….

          • #7

            What I mean, kind sir, is that I can’t/haven’t posted like I used to. My job actually requires me to work now.

            You tried that “work” thing out yet? You sure do seem to have a lot of free time for all of your Foles bodyguard duties

          • theycallmerob

            i mean, i get the ad hominem sh!t, because it’s on par with the rest of your arguments, but seriously dude….stalk much?

          • #7

            Nah no need. You couldn’t ignore a post of mine no matter how hard you would try not to respond.

            Carry on with you Foles bodyguard duties. You’re doing an excellent job

          • #7

            So let me guess. When Vick comes back this year, you’ll be hoping that he fails or gets injured again, correct?

          • nicksaenz1

            First, you’re assuming when he comes back he’s playing right away. He’s not. If Foles goes down, we’ll be hoping that Glass Joe doesn’t break before Foles is healthy again. We have a division to win, and we all know Barkley isn’t going see that vision through.

          • #7

            Then who will come in???? Kinne?

            We all know Foles is the starter. If Foles can stay healthy, great.

          • theycallmerob

            Don’t get why you think Vick is coming back.

            I think you’re on the wrong blog, sir.

            http://www.talk-sports.net/nfl/fan.club.aspx/Michael_Vick

          • #7

            Alrighty

          • Andy124

            Upvote because (FYI – “Philly” is a reference to Philadelphia, a large city on the East Coast in between New York and Washington DC) made me laugh.

        • Mike Calabrese

          I like Foles a lot, but Luck is the future MVP of NFL. He made the Colts 11-5 after 2-14 season. No offense and I wish I had that optimism but Luck may end up being best player in NFL in next 3 years. Him and Rodgers.

        • Dustan M. Howell

          LOL, Foles over Luck ?!?!?! You do realize that Luck was the best QB prospect ( coming out of college ) since John Elway, don’t you ? Foles has had good games against Oakland, Tampa, the Packers without Rogers, and the sorry Redskins. Foles has a weak arm, and isn’t as accurate as his completion percentage suggests as he throws a lot of short high percentage passes, and a lot of the passing yards racks up is actually from YAC by the receivers.

          • knighn

            Hey Dutch! Can’t believe I missed more of your brilliance. While Brandon is a little ridiculous in his preference of Nick Foles over Andrew Luck, your statement is a totally ridiculous in that it has no statistical evidence to back it up. In reality: the facts dispute your assertion that Nick Foles doesn’t attempt deep passes and that he isn’t accurate on these passes. Take special notice of the third chart.
            http://regressing.deadspin.com/charts-who-are-the-best-deep-passers-in-the-nfl-1469917039

            Then you criticize Foles for actually completing his short passes which are, once again, a huge part of Chip Kelly’s offense. You also criticize Foles for the YAC by his receivers? Are you kidding me?! When a QB hits his receiver accurately and on time it allows his receiver to pick up YAC. If the QB’s throws are frequently off-target or late: fewer YACs.

            And, as I have told you repeatedly: young QBs also have room to improve (you should be happy about that as it will give your favorite, Matt Barkley, room to improve, too). Foles is still a QB with fewer than 16 starts to his name, and he is in the first year with a new offense. He still can make some improvements, including to his footwork and his arm strength. Now, does this mean that Foles will lead the Eagles to the Super Bowl or end up in the HOF or any ridiculous proclamations of the sort? No. While Foles has done well in the last two weeks in big games against Washington and Arizona, it doesn’t mean that Foles will ultimately have what it takes to win the biggest games. Only time (not you) will tell with that. However, for right now: Foles is easily the best option that the Eagles have.

          • Dustan M. Howell

            Foles relies on easy high percentage completions much of the time. He did it last year with Andy, and he did it in Arizona. That’s what he likes to do. Also, he’s not as accurate with his passes as you like to claim. Did you watch the game last Sunday ? There were three times hear literally threw the ball over receivers heads on screens. One of which Cooper turned into a 24 yard gain. His ball placement could be a lot better. He receivers are making him look really good. Accuracy and a high completion percentage aren’t the same thing. He was fortunate to get a short field on the first TD, and he was fortunate to get a penalty, from a bad call, which put them on the one setting him up for another easy TD completion. There were a lot of three and outs in the first and second half, and he almost blew the game twice. He lacks the arm-strength to make every NFL threw, that’s for sure.

          • knighn

            These are the stats, man.
            http://regressing.deadspin.com/charts-who-are-the-best-deep-passers-in-the-nfl-1469917039

            I trust actual numbers more than the opinion of some wanna be analyst. Every QB, even the best of them, occasionally has a receiver bail him out. And it’s hilarious that you talk about “Easy TD completions” when the Eagles are in the Red Zone. You do realize that TDs in the Red Zone are not automatic, right? You do realize that the Eagles had one of the worst Red Zone conversion rates with Vick, and that they have improved considerably with Foles?
            And the big question: when are you going to fess up and tell everybody that Dutch is your other ID?

      • EaglePete

        I still think Kaps upside is huge. I think he may win a few before its all said and done. But hey, not if Foles has something to say about it haha

      • aub32

        Wilson has lost one game this season. Kaep made the SB. I’m coming around on Foles, but some of you are ridiculous. He beat 3 bad teams in a row. A month ago all pf you wanted him exiled after the Dallas game. HAHAHAHA. Now he’s a top 10 QB. I’m all for buying in, but let’s back off the hyperbole here.

    • BleedGreenJames

      Foles was also the highest rated passer against pressure in the 2012 class coming out of college. Pretty impressive when you consider his company, especially without a viable weapon outside of Juron Criner.

      • GEAGLE

        I was A!WAYS high on him, but I didn’t view him as a better prospect than RG3 and Luck…I thought he was the best player in the PAC 12 behind Luck

  • nicksaenz1

    “He played on a team that by their own accounts didn’t have great talent on the offensive side of the ball, didn’t have a great line, a young offensive line, and he was knocked around a little bit,” said Howie Roseman in a conversation with Birds 24/7. “You saw him constantly get up. And you went back and you watched him on third downs, and his accuracy and decision-making. And then you try to put a guy like that — where would he be if he was on a really good college football team? What kind of player would we be talking about?”
    Where’s Dutch? I want him to tell him how great everyone around Foles was and how bad he actually is.

  • jon h

    They should be at every single college football game – DI, DII, DIII, NAIA, Jr College, etc. scouting every single person that plays safety.

  • anon

    Of course Roseman is jumping out on Foles now — where was he after the Dallas game?

    • Brandon Boykin, OLB

      No matter what he does, Howie just can’t get a break. He [or was part of a group that] picked Foles. That ain’t enough?

      • anon

        Not saying it wasn’t a good pick (though who was left really? I’d argue that picking cousins in Rd 4 would have been just as good). His is also responsible for MB… I’m just saying that he didn’t stand behind him after that game, which would have been nice to see since he’s taking credit for the pick after he plays well.

        • theycallmerob

          picking cousins in Rd 4 would have been just as good

          apples and oranges. in way less time, cousins has shown nothing that would make me assume he’s a better player than foles

          • cliff henny

            man, having flashback to ‘skins bs rants about having the best starter, best backup and best 3rd string qbs. skins were so bad for so long, i was sort of rooting for them since eagles were out of it. shot that good will in the ass in 1 season

          • anon

            I wasn’t their fans are soooo annoying (I’m from MD).

          • anon

            I was arguing equivalence.

        • Token

          There are still people on the Cousins bandwagon? Man, that one game, or one quarter, whatever it was, certainly put a imprint on some people.

          • anon

            To be fair every time he’s played he’s looked pretty good. But we’ll never see him play since skins mortgaged their whole future on RGIII.

            When he did play last year he was 69% passing, 4Tds, 3picks, 101.6 passer rating. Small sample size but you could argue fules-esque.

          • Token

            Yea, having a 2 for 2 game with a TD will help fluff your stats. But then there is reality….

            He really only played one full game. And did ok. Except 1 INT and a fumble.

            All the other times hes played hes been pretty bad.

            Stunk against ATL last year. Stunk in playoffs. Dreadful against Denver this year.

            Maybe Cousins ends up being a good player someday, but to compare him to anyone at this point is kinda dumb. Hes just a nobody at this point.

  • Engwrite

    There’s been marked improvement in Foles’ performance from last year. Of course, unlike last year, he has a very good and healthy O-line, a pro bowl running back and a pro bowl receiver. The only negative has been the Dallas game. It’s not that he had a bad game–everyone has an off day–but that Foles wasn’t Foles that day. I assume the pressure got to him and that is a very big red flag. Otherwise we can see that Foles makes good decisions and throws catchable balls where the receiver can make a play for them in full stride which has led to quite a few 20+ plays.
    I think it is worth noting that his completed passes haven’t made anyone’s highlight reels; in other words, there have been no flukes or miracle or one handed catches, save the one by DeSean.

    Given his qb rating, which if maintained would break the existing record, in spite of the Dallas game, (and yes, he has only won 4.5 out of 5.5 games, so we should wait till the end of the season before deciding) it is hard to imagine why anyone would even consider that a different qb is needed, particularly a high draft choice, ie., a shot in the dark.

  • LostInChiTown

    I’m so satisfied with how well Roseman and the Eagles are assembling this team. Do you guys remember how much Roseman bashing was going on when Lurie kept him after firing Reid? People were sure he was behind our awful drafting and free agent signings, and that having him in the building would destroy our coaching search.

    Flash forward to now – Chip is a legitimate NFL coach and Roseman was part of his coming here, and the last two drafts – which Lurie has said are the only ones Roseman is directly responsible for – have been utterly fantastic.
    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/The-Eagles-2012-and-2013-draft-classes-could-be-the-franchises-foundation.html

    I’d like to see the people who ranted about Roseman being the death of this franchise own up and apologize, but this is the internet, so I won’t hold my breath.

    Also, I think Lurie is the best owner in the NFL. He shelled out monster dollars for this coaching staff (it has to be the biggest in the NFL) and made the right, but unpopular decision to keep Roseman. Compare that to Dallas or Washington and we are the luckiest fans in the world.

    Jerry Jones – please live to be 150.

    • nicksaenz1

      Just because Jeffrey publicly absolved Howie of any responsibility doesn’t make it at all true. While we know Andy had a large responsibility, Howie’s hands aren’t completely clean of the few drafts before 2012. Jeffrey had to make that claim in order to keep Howie without complete fanbase backlash and give him a shot on his own, without the influence of those who were in charge before him. That said, it appears he’s doing a very good job. He’s always been a great contract guy. And now we have Gamble in there to tell him who to pick, he looks like a genius. He deserves some credit, but it’s not all him.

      • Tom W

        How do you know … I for one believe Lurie and the last two drafts have been awesome so it lends credence that Howie wasn’t running the drafts before 2 yrs and didn’t have final say. Assuming Lurie is lying because of your conspiracy theory is a bit narrow minded. Howie has been bashed more than anyone and all the guy has done is run two great drafts and landed a franchise coach.

        • nicksaenz1

          Was Howie not the GM prior to 2012? You think he had NO say whatsoever, that Jeffrey saying that he didn’t means it’s true? He doesn’t need final say to have A say. It’s not conspiracy theory, it’s a simple deduction from what we do know. Moreover, what makes you think that the 2012 draft was all Howie? Andy was still in town in his powerful seat as of the 2012 draft, and in that same offseason was helping get the deals done for his stars, like Desean’s deal. Who’s to say that Fletcher, Vinny, etc were Howie’s picks and not Andy’s? There’s too much crossover in 2012 to say definitively that pre-2012 Howie had nothing to do with and 2012 and beyond is all Howie. Furthermore, Tom Gamble, who had a huge part in the building of the SF franchise through fantastic draft picks, was in town for the 2013 draft with his keen eye for talent.. I’m not bashing Howie here, but to make it out that he’s a great GM based on the last two drafts and total absolvement from anything wrong with the franchise prior to 2012 is absurd.

          As for Chip, remember this: he said no before word of the sanctions came. Could mean nothing, but I’m a believer in “where there’s smoke there’s fire”.

          • RIP illa

            Perfectly stated!!! Glad things are looking up now, as we all are.

          • nicksaenz1

            Exactly. I don’t hate Howie. Just not going to crown him.

          • RIP illa

            I only hate him cause I love him too much!!! Lol. Seriously tho, I liked Howie as a young gun GM who wasn’t scared to be aggressive and think outside the box. But lookin at the past history of woeful decision of the personnel department and coupled w/ The Lurie absolution…just F’d everything up. It showed a lack of leadership, accountability, and credibility. I’m still waiting to see if he still has his aggressive side, after this conservative offseason, or has he been neutered and scared to take any educated risk. Would have been so much better if that presser, Lurie gave would have just explained that decisions were made that didn’t worked out and the FO vows to take corrective measures to make things right and not let it happen again.

          • nicksaenz1

            Yeah, but that would have sounded like an Andy presser lol… I think having the team on the right track will help him feel the need the be slightly more aggressive. I’m good with the conservativism of the 2013 offseason. Implement system with some low risk medium reward players. It’s implemented, and seems to be working, now time to upgrade the talent. A few FA signings, one (two tops) big signing and a couple medium and low risk signings with a solid draft class and this team is in great shape going forward.

          • Richard Colton

            not unlike our Foles/Vick position. I don’t know if Howie is a great GM, but I’d like to find out. I do know, however, that Jerry Jones’ best days are long behind him.

          • Andy124

            Screw reality, Jerruh never had a good day.

          • Richard Colton

            his plastic surgeon has had plenty of them.

          • nicksaenz1

            Same with his glasses cleaner.

          • nicksaenz1

            Jerry Jones’ best days were a direct result of him not running the show…. I really don’t want to come off like I think Howie is a bad GM. I don’t think he is. But as you eloquently stated, I don’t know if he’s a great GM, but I, too, want to find out.

        • anon

          To be fair we’ve had much higher picks in the last two years and in prior years. I don’t even know if the 2010/11 drafts were completely terrible / FA acquisitions were bad OR if we just had a combination of bad scouts / coaches.

      • Andy124

        While we know Andy had a large responsibility

        The only draft picks I had a hand in in the two seasons prior to 2012 were Riley Cooper and Jason Kelce. Sweartogod.

        • cliff henny

          thornton too

          • Andy124

            UDFA?

          • cliff henny

            they are all part of the draft, signed the next day or 2 after. regardless, doesnt change the fact we have to search high and low to find good picks from ’10 and ’11.

          • nicksaenz1

            Ummm Nate Allen???

          • cliff henny

            for 2nd…say he’s been pretty rough till lately. rd pick does count. 2nd rdr that plays like a 6th isnt a good pick. just cause everyone behind him sucked more isnt an endorsement

          • nicksaenz1

            Jaiquwan Jarret’s playing well…..for the Jets.

          • cliff henny

            i’ve heard the opposite too, that he’s barely seeing field. plus, bringing in ed reed makes me wonder.

          • nicksaenz1

            I was completely reaching.

          • nicksaenz1

            God, if it weren’t for Kelce 2011 might be the worst draft ever drafted.

          • cliff henny

            ’10 v ’11…it’s a hell of an arguement. it’s ’11 for me, fireman seals the deal. glad kelly 86′d him

          • nicksaenz1

            Had Nate Allen been released, which would it be, then?

          • cliff henny

            dont hate allen, just want him upgraded. every team misses in first 3 rds every yr. the great ozzie newsome has 2nd 3rd rd busts all the time, it happens. but 1′s that cant see the field, cant have that and cant miss on 1,2 and 3 for2 straights yrs…jesus those drafts sucked lol. graham got hurt, switched defense, he looked like he wanted to play vs ‘skins.

          • nicksaenz1

            Well he finally got the chance to play some good snaps. I think we both know he’s not a bad player who’s not 1st round talent. Worst scenarios happened to him. He’ll move on eventually and prove he was 1st rd talent. Or maybe I just don’t want to put the “bust” label on him. You pick haha.

          • cliff henny

            who knows, maybe he just needs time. coming out it was 50/50 d-end/olb. i have no issue with letting him hang around for another yr, he great depth at couple position, worse case, and how knows, lightning strikes and he becomes rush olb we all want. more he can play, more cole can rest and be ready to hunt qb rest of this year.

          • Andy124

            I’m just trying to be honest here. I can’t take credit for everything. Allen was a Castillo pick…

      • anon

        Yeah i’m glad they hired Tom Gamble.

      • ztom6

        Regardless of who was responsible for what before 2012, the organization realized things weren’t working and made changes. We may not be privy to exactly what changes were made but it doesn’t matter so long as we continue to see improved results.

        • nicksaenz1

          No argument. Just not ready to crown Howie. Glad we’ve made the changes we’ve made.

          • cliff henny

            and they brought in gamble and donahue, so that gives me more confidence.

          • nicksaenz1

            Absolutely.

      • JofreyRice

        three wins in a row and people are making grand proclamations about greatness and genius. Irrational exuberance, much? I hope I’m not raining on anyone’s parade to say I want to see them beat a quality team before proclaiming Howie and Chip demi-gods.

        • nicksaenz1

          Raining on the parade and prudent reservation are not the same, my friend.

        • Richard Colton

          You’re a little salty today, but I’m upvoting for the Alan Greenspan reference.

          • JofreyRice

            Hey everyone has that one poster that annoys them. What can I say?

          • Richard Colton

            Its a big tent – I’m OK with everyone’s opinions. Just as long as you came to the team before the Mike Vick Experience.

          • cliff henny

            #7 gets me going too.

          • Richard Colton

            it was fun to tease him about being a ‘Boys fan, cause it would spin him up. What I really hate is how he takes credit for things the Eagles do.

            “Mike Vick named starter…Yeah Mike! we did it!”
            “Eagles going to the playoffs, just as I said they would!”

          • cliff henny

            after skins game he had me little heated…and bbaas, chirping in…like they arent vick nuthuggers and got all huffy i/you were calling them out after ‘great win by defense and shady’ bs.

          • Richard Colton

            Bryce Brown! Yeah Celek!

            Seriously, part of me was sad. Imagine going through football season as a glorified fantasy fan – getting attached to one player. I blame bad parenting. Usually the case with any Cowboys fan.

          • nicksaenz1

            That comment was #7. Who only shows up on gameday to credit everyone but Foles. Same play could happen for Vick and the credit would all be to Vick.

          • cliff henny

            she ran to his defense. saying yo are the one bringing up vick…when 7 was doing everything in his power to credit everyone but foles.

          • nicksaenz1

            They’re probably husband and wife.

          • Andy124

            You know, people are going to have bias. And they’re going to see things differently because of that. It’s human.

            But the claims of objectivity and the complete disingenuousness is what really grates.

          • Richard Colton

            here are some random stats that prove Nick Foles’ victories have come against the four worst defenses of all time. What? I’m being objective. These are FACTS people!!!!!

          • theycallmerob

            speaking of, notice Aub has been missing for awhile.

          • nicksaenz1

            He “slips in” now and again, too.

          • theycallmerob

            to correct some misrepresented stats, of course

          • BlindChow

            #7: “I gotta give a shout out to all the players who made plays this Sunday: McCoy, Brown, Jackson, Cooper, Avant, Maehl, Celek, Ertz, Casey, Peters, Mathis, Kelce, Herremans, Johnson, Cox, Curry, Thornton, Logan, Cole, Graham, Barwin, Ryans, Goode, Boykin, Carmichael, Williams, Chung, Allen, Matthews, Henery, Jones, and Dorenbos.”

          • Richard Colton

            I really don’t see anything wrong with your list. Dorenbos balled out!

          • nicksaenz1

            Plus, there’s no substitute for the magic he creates

        • cliff henny

          just when i was swinging over to the liking howie side of the fence…you bring up a valid point to get me right back on middle. now chippah…i’m so far removed from that fence, it’s a dot in the horizon. love me some kelly!

          • Richard Colton

            Yeah. I was ripping Howie a bit the other night. Here’s where I am:

            A) I accept the Howie has only had total control over player personnel for two years line from management. Not because I’m a gullible homer-sap, but because I know how much influence Andy Reid had.

            B) I am encouraged by the number of good draft picks and lack of total busts in the last two drafts.

            C) I am not ready to (in my best Dennis Green voice) CROWN Howie, because he lacks signature wow picks. Where’s the late round gem? Its like all his picks have been doubles and singles. Need some home runs here!

            however…Cedric Thornton, UFA and Bennie Logan look like they’re getting closer and closer. Wolff still could be that guy. So, like you, I’m torn.

          • nicksaenz1

            Andy was still here in 2012, wielding all that influence. Impossible to say that Howie had everything to do with 2012 draft and nothing to do with anything prior. It’s somewhere in the middle there, which is why Lurie’s statement is complete nonsense.

          • cliff henny

            think we can say draft philosophy has changed in last 2 yrs. howie goes straight bpa while andy went bpa while had need in back of his head. that’s how they end up with fireman jarrett.

          • nicksaenz1

            Last year, definitely. Who knows about 2012. Could have been dumb luck from Andy given his prior two drafts, could have been he listened to his scouts instead of outsmarting the whole NFL, Howie might have had a more significant influence than in years past. We’ll never know.

          • cliff henny

            i agree with the ‘we’ll never know’. mean, howie was in the room in ’10 and ’11. i’m just willing to give clean slate. ’14 is huge draft, i really cant see how they mess it up. what the eagles need is what this draft has, olb and wr. free agency has byrd ward and clemmons, all better than allen. maybe find another fletcher type, and eagles should be golden.

          • nicksaenz1

            I’m down for a clean slate. At this point, hard to say it’s not deserved given the team’s performance. I just got annoyed when the OP was ready to crown him a great GM and absolve everything because Jeff said he didn’t have anything to do with anything before 2012 when logic dictates otherwise. Clean slate is earned… better not eff up next offseason, though haha

          • cliff henny

            next off season is so obvious and laid out. i just cant see how any decent gm messes it up. have money to resign jax, hope coop takes discount or that concert slip makes him toxic, renego ryans and peters, sure both will to get some guarenteed money, sign byrd, and the draft lays out perfectly.

          • nicksaenz1

            Discount for Coop…. He needs one? I know he’s been ballin’ with Foles but in 4 years these last 5 games ARE his body of work. Jax, Ryans, and Peters should all be feasible renegotiation. Those come with guaranteeing money. Basically converting salary to bonus to spread it out over life of renegotiated deal. Sign Jax for next 5, 3 for Peters and Meco (spitballin). Byrd is a no-brainer. I wonder if he RE agent is house-hunting in Yardley/Newtown for him yet.

          • cliff henny

            just never know, always some gm out there ready to cut a crazy check. avant made 3-4m for last 3 yrs, sure cooper will want that and then some

          • nicksaenz1

            If Coop’s role is doing what he’s doing now, I’m good with incentive-laden deal that baselines him at like 2.5 and escalates to 4-5 if he hits like 60 catches or 10tds. Just my thought.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, just dont know. cooper will be interesting. no doubt he is first test case in ‘system vs player’. plus, have maclin who might take 1-2yr deal…that ACL doesnt even make kelly flinch…so draft one wr early, one late, and maybe look to go again in ’15. so many ways to go, if they dont resign him, sure most of us will just except it.

          • RIP illa

            True about Andy. Although “Back Draft” was an excellent example of that, the Jarret pick was just a cluster F of epic proportions!!! No way they should have had that guy rated that highly in the draft let alone at his position. Still can’t believe it when I think back to hearing his name called. Late day 2/early day 3…then I hear the name early day 2!!! Still makes me mad.

          • cliff henny

            more than tko teo whatever…lb out of washington? all of philly went ‘who the f is that?’ at same time

          • Richard Colton

            good point. Jeff has voluminous notes that prove you wrong. But you’re not allowed to see them.

          • RIP illa

            Big thumbs up for bringing out the D. Green reference. Love that rant!!!

          • JofreyRice

            Brandon Boykin is looking more like a difference maker and less like just a solid nickel corner. The guy makes plays whenever he’s out there. I think beyond just the game-sealing INT, he had another forced fumble down in the redzone; like the FF he had on Gates in the redzone, those are the kinds of big time plays that help you win close (playoff) games, IMO. The prospect of a defensive player able to deliver a big play when you need one is really exciting. I’d love to see him get a shot in the base defense. I think he could do it.

            Agreed that things look encouraging at the moment. Thorton was definitely a great find. Serendipitous that he’s taken to the 2 gap so quickly, and performs the critical role of runstopping so well. As of right now I’m comfortable saying Howie is not a total nincompoop, but that’s as far as I’ll go.

            EDIT: And forgot the great ST’s play. Yeah, he’s got a lot of potential.

          • Andy124

            Good thing about Jofrey, he’s alway left himself some wiggle room with Howie. Reserved the right to give credit when more solid evidence comes in. (No Sarcasm).

          • Richard Colton

            that’s funny, because I was quoting you the other night – “the 4th round is where you ought to find a player like that.”

          • JofreyRice

            yeah, he’s stepping up. Last year, that would have been accurate, but he’s becoming a real difference maker out there. Very impressed by his play.

          • Richard Colton

            I still dont think he’s got the size to play on the outside. Can we just keep him at nickel and let him become the best 3rd CB in the league? or does payscale dictate we lose him a la Al Harris if we try that move?

          • JofreyRice

            I get you. There are some really big receivers in the NFL these days, you don’t want to weaken two spots by putting him out there. For me, the idea is: if the outside guys are Cary Williams and Roc Cartwright or whatever the hell his name is, I’d give Boyk a shot out there. Tim Jennings is like 5’8 and he’s been a really good corner for the Bears for years. I mean, Boyk has excelled at everything he’s been asked to do. See what his ceiling is, is my thinking. Also, I enjoy when people type his name as “Boykins”. Making him a starter would put him more in the spotlight.

          • anon

            Have you seen our screen game? People gain tons of yards underneath + it’s where people go on 3downs or when our pass rush is working. It’s a bad place for us to get burnt b/c then good pass rush doesn’t matter if the middle is always open.

          • cliff henny

            howie could be a good gm for kelly. kelly is so specific as to arms hand heigth, etc, and howie being a numbers guy, could be good working arrangement. howie with reid probably was more difficult, since reid would grade high energy or motor which howie would have difficult time quantifying. i doubt rosebud leaves a meeting with kelly not knowing exactly what he’s to go out and find.

          • JofreyRice

            While I’m on a roll giving out half-assed kudos, I think you’re seeing some development in these players with the staff. Think about it, Peters went out for some of the game, and Barbre, a career journeyman, was able to come in and not be a flaming pile of docile fox sh!t. Allen has played better–tho still not good enough IMO, but better–Kendricks is playing slower, which is better for him. Across the board, we’ve seen a big improvement in the personality of the defense, and the individual play of certain guys. So there does exist a possibility that some part of the failures of recent drafts were failures in development. We’ll have to kind of wait and see.

          • cliff henny

            sounds like someone is hopping the demi-god kelly fence. come hangout in nuthugger land with me, have my buddies johnny football and mike evans here too

          • nicksaenz1

            Boykin played the SD game outside and did fine, IMO.

          • Token

            I think Boykin woulda have picked RG3′s last TD pass. That was pretty bad ball skils on Roc’s part. But I cant complain much about the guys play. He went from being a nobody to contributing solid minutes in Fletchers place.

          • Explorer51

            Don’t forget the DeMeco trade…

  • Andy124

    So basically, we have possibly a really good FO, with probably a really good coach and we may have landed a stud QB in the 3rd round.

    Could we actually be, gasp, lucky to be Eagles fans right now?

    • Richard Colton

      can’t spell FOles without FO

    • cliff henny

      lucky and eagles fan in same sentence just doesnt look right

    • theycallmerob

      Wait, sixers? what?

      • Andy124

        I lost interest when they started winning. I wanted them to draft Ender.

        • cliff henny

          thankfully, there’s just as many stupid gm’s in nba, if not more, than in nfl. hopefully hinkie can fleese the improved play of turner, hawes and young into at least 2 mid 1st rd picks he can then package to move up. getting rid of 2 out of those 3, be some serious losing going on.

    • GiveMeABreak

      Really good FO? LOL! Let’s coronate Nick after he beats a good, healthy team. Fans on this page are like Skins fans. We beat one good team (albeit without the best QB in NFC and beaten up on defense) and two bad teams, and euphoria prevails.

  • OregonDucker

    Roseman: “When you’re low not kind of throwing guys under the bus and when you’re high, not anointing them to the Hall of Fame.”

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Here is something for you kids:

    don’t blame me, I just break the stats down..but looks compelling.

    Nick foles 11 starts.

    5-6 record…. 62% 264/427 3,253 yards passing 22TDs 5 Int. Rating 97.6

    165 yards rushing with 3 TDs

    If those counted for this 2013 season.

    Nick would be:

    3rd in passing yards to Drew and Peyton.

    3rd in touchdowns to Peyton and Drew

    1st in interceptions

    1st in attempts

    4th in completions

    16th in completion %

    7th in QB rating

    8th in rushing yards

    To rg3 Russell Vick kap Alex geno luck

    2nd to cam and luck in rushing TDs

    Tied with kap

  • Sinic

    I don’t get why everybody has already put Luck in the hall of fame. The guy has played really awful games and some really good games. If you ask me Wilson has been the best QB out of the draft thus far. If Foles plays the way he has been playing then we can have the debate who is the best QB from the 2013 draft. Right now Foles is playing better than Luck although Luck is more talented. I don’t really want to hear about Luck’s offense line. He holds the ball to long because he likes to/can run. Luck had more opportunity than Foles. Luck was given a chance from day one and Foles had to earn it so lets see where this plays out then we will compare.

  • Rdimer

    Foles not Kelly’s guy , he chose Vick …