Wake-Up Call: Foles’ Toughness Getting Tested

Whenever a question about Nick Foles‘ toughness comes up, Chip Kelly points to a play back in 2011, when Kelly and the Oregon Ducks faced Foles and the Arizona Wildcats.

“I mean, we knocked the tar out of him when we played them. We knocked the snot out of him when we played him,” said Kelly. “Watch the tape when he completed a 13-yard pass against us left-handed. We chinned him. He was going down. Switches the ball to his left hand and he still throws it for a completion, then gets up and makes another play against us. I’ve admired him.”




"I remember that," said Foles. "I thought my back was broke after I got up from that. I didn't even know I could throw left-handed to tell you the truth."

The left-handed toss was unnatural and looked awkward, but he was able to make it work. Same might be said for Foles' involvement in the ground attack this year. Believe it or not, he outrushed Robert Griffin III 47-44 Sunday. Averaged 5.2 yards per carry and scored a touchdown on the ground; that was one of several times where he kept it on a read option and made something out of it.

"Nick Foles, Michael Vick, they are pretty similar," joked Jason Avant.

They are similar in one way: neither can execute a graceful slide. Vick, one of the finest athletes of all time, stumbles forward or just crumples to the ground. Foles' looks like more of a crash landing. In one sequence Sunday, Foles hit the deck just before getting his clock cleaned by an oncoming blur of red and white.

"Nick is not a runner," said Cary Williams. "I think it's apparent. We've seen that a couple times. It's great that Nick is out there and he's running around but you never want to see a guy that is not a scrambling quarterback, a guy that's not used to that kind of situation, taking a hit. I would like him to slide. Nick, if you'd like to come to Cary Williams Sliding School, you can. It's open. Free of charge. Get with Riley Cooper, guys that played baseball growing up, it's real simple. It's really not that hard.

"Big guy, not used to running, being out there in the open. But he played tremendous. For the last couple weeks he has been a superstar on our team. We lean heavily on him. We need him to play well, don't want to put him in situations where...you've got to protect yourself, man."

Foles suffered a broken hand at the end of last season. He played through a groin injury earlier  this year. Got knocked out of the Dallas game with a concussion. Against Washington he tweaked his shoulder after being taken down by Brian Orakpo in the second quarter. He worked in-between plays that drive on keeping his shoulder  loose while Matt Barkley warmed up on the sideline, and ultimately stayed in.

"He is a warrior," said Cooper. "He is a tough kid and a great quarterback. Hopefully we can keep it going."

Foles has proven, like he did back in '11 against the Ducks, that he'll gladly take a hit in exchange for a positive play. But the Eagles are just beginning to find some quarterback stability. The coaching staff needs to decide what is necessary and what is not when it comes to exposing the young quarterback to punishment. Meanwhile, it wouldn't hurt Foles to spend the bye week at the Cary Williams Sliding School as his teammate suggested.

WHAT YOU MISSED

Sheil gives his observations from Sunday's win over Washington.

“It’s all for naught if we don’t continue to build from here.” Kelly looks big picture.

The defense felt right at home on that final Redskins drive.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

Rich Hofmann has reached the following conclusion about this football team.

They are legitimate.

Yes, the NFC East is down -- but what you are witnessing is real. At this point, it is silly to suggest otherwise. This offense has moved the ball against pretty much everybody, with either Michael Vick or Foles at quarterback. This defense has improved steadily since an ugly first month of the season. Skepticism is fine -- they did play all of the good quarterbacks early in the schedule, and they were backpedaling seriously at the end of this game -- but skepticism is becoming a loser's bet.

LeSean McCoy surpassed 1,000 yards rushing on the season. More from Geoff Mosher.

At at his current pace, McCoy will finish with 1,468 rushing yards this season, which would be the second-best total in franchise history behind Wilbert Montgomery’s 1,512 in 1979.

McCoy, in the second year of a big-time contract extension, is already tied with Montgomery, Staley and his boyhood idol -- fellow Harrisburg, Pa., native Ricky Watters -- for the franchise’s most 1,000-yard seasons.

McCoy left the game briefly with a hamstring injury, but indicated afterwards it was more of a cramp.

COMING UP

We'll speak to Kelly at 1.

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  • DirtyWaters

    Interesting how most articles give you a one sentence sound bite from a player. We got two lengthy paragraphs from Sconces. Did he just mention Riley Cooper? Careful what you say, Cary. That’s the new starting QB for the rest of the season.

    • Adam

      Do you have more of a problem with what he said or the fact that it was Cary who said it? Nothing wrong with anything he said in those two paragraphs.

      • DirtyWaters

        I don’t have a problem with either. After years of players just talking the company line, it’s so refreshing to hear someone who says what’s on his mind. He cracks me up. I think he was probably one of the greatest influences in changing the attitude on defense. Have we seen any finger pointing in the secondary this year, besides someone pointing to themselves while saying, “my bad”?

        • theycallmerob

          In terms of defensive attitude, I think Demeco sets the tone. Cary brings much-needed intensity back there, but his game never backs up his mouth. I’ll always see him as a 1 year flier, hopefully replaced by a much more talented CB next year.
          I also thought it was funny he threw Coop’s name out there, of all guys (maybe because of the baseball skills), although not sure why a basketball background would help teach sliding.

          • DirtyWaters

            Did he set the tone last year, too? Has the new culture changed him as well? I think Demeco brings leadership. Cary brings attitude. I too was hoping he backed it up. I think you’re right, he was a stop gap measure but he will be replaced. Is there anyway Boykin does not start next year? Is he gonna be an Al Harris type who we use in the slot and then signs a big contact to start somewhere else when his rookie deal expires?

          • theycallmerob

            If you look at some of the comments Davis and Kelly made earlier in the week, I don’t see them moving Boykin outside. Not 100% sure why, but they didn’t seem to avoid the topic in their answers. Pretty explicit about it.
            And with regard to Demeco, last year was his 1st year in a new locker room with plenty of other “leaders”, and more vets (Cullen, Patt, Babin, Trent, Nnamdi). Also still coming off injury. Hard to set a tone in that situation. I think it was Sheil who ran a post on him, maybe in the last 2 weeks, and the consummate adjective every player and coach seemed to use was “leader”. That, the hard-hitting, and pro-bowl level leads me to believe he holds much more sway. Cary grabs the mic, but I don’t think he’s the guy others (even other DBs) look to as a leader.
            But of course, compared to last year, I’ll take his intensity and willingness to get dirty over the alternative. I think that has helped set the expectations back there- if you’re soft, you’ll hear about it from him.

          • theycallmerob

            edit, or addendum to my first reply: check out the “zone read” post Sheil just put out. They talk about this exact issue in the opener, and it seems Demeco (with his ol’ buddy Berwin) have brought that cohesiveness this year.
            Regardless of responsibility or accolades, it’s a beautiful thing to watch play out. Finally back to having a true “philly defense”. Loved seeing the fans feed off it yesterday

          • DirtyWaters

            Absolutely. I always loved our secondary through the years. I especially liked when Taylor & Vincent were playing at a high level and we go ahead and draft Shepard, Lewis and Brown 1,2,3. (Wish Damon Moore didn’t screw up. He had potential.) I think that why the Nnam / DRC years hurt so much. That’s not Eagle football.

  • nicksaenz1

    Foles outrushed RG3. Wow. One was drafted in round three, the other cost three 1st rd picks. I love it when division rivals set themselves back a few extra years.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Topic of the week: Was he worth it? Hell, they were talking about whether he was worth it half way through the game lol

      • nicksaenz1

        I remember that. Certainly begs the question, especially when Russell Wilson was a third rd pick who’s killin’ it, too.

        • cliff henny

          how many times do we fans have to hear it, it’s the ultimate team game. elway in his prime would struggle behind that line. think rg3 was worth a top5 pick, but also have to consider cost and then have his style of play so he needs specific offense. bet he’d kill it with kelly. the real kicker will be all the hype they’ve put into rg3, he’ll get a flacco contract soon enough, so just when they get out from underneath leveraging top of drafts for him, he’ll then be sal cap killer.

          • nicksaenz1

            I won’t argue he was worth a top 5. But 3 1st rounders is the question, which I think we’re starting to see maybe he isn’t, given the style of play…. He probably would kill it with Kelly. However, his line has been pretty good for him as of late. That line just got dominated by a few studs named Cox, Logan, and Thornton…. Agree the hype hurts him since his production hasn’t been justifying it as of late, and I pray to God he gets a Flacco deal so they can’t pay others nearly as well as other teams could. As Token so eloquently noted, they invested all that into him, yet it’s Alfred Morris, a 6th rounder, who drives that offense. I’ll take Foles 7 days a week and twice on Sunday over RGKnee as of right now.

          • cliff henny

            yup, think we can see the opportunity cost of developing foles vs getting a Mariota, let say, using all those picks. no one was more sure qb was in ’14 draft than me, but i’m shocked kelly has them 6-5, foles playing like this. i wont freak if a manziel falls and is picked without packaging picks, only cause kelly is obviously as advertised, he does more with less. this point, foles plus getting kelly max talent is way i’d go.

          • nicksaenz1

            He keeps building the case, that’s for sure. I don’t think we’ll have a clear idea until the offseason, sadly. I hope we roll with Foles going forward, but I feel like these 5 will be the true test for him, in Chip’s eyes. See if he can handle the pressure of a playoff run.

          • cliff henny

            foles play has made it an ‘if qb drops to eagles’ now for me. that’s a far cry from 6 months ago when i was figuring eagles will be picking in top10 and levering ’14 draft to get qb. credit to kelly and foles. replace cooper with mike evans and avant with landry out of lsu. think the offense is just scratching the surface.

          • nicksaenz1

            I’m iffy on the “if a qb falls”. Can’t make needed improvements on D or upgrade WR in first round if we take, say, Manziel, because “a QB fell to us.” A QB fell to us in the third round last year who’s playing like, dare I say, a first round pick, currently and gives little reason to believe he can’t be the guy going forward. Our team needs more pieces, not more QB controversy.

          • cliff henny

            i’d prefer foles/weapons, but if kelly think falling qb is way to go, who are we to doubt. he’s 4/4 at oregon 2/2 in philly. if he thinks 1st rd qb improves eagles most, i’m onboard. wouldnt want extra picks used, want max talent, kelly sees to be able to harvest that talent.

          • theycallmerob

            don’t forget Santos! 7/7 overall

          • cliff henny

            think it’s safe to say, this kelly kat knows what he’s doing…howie, shut up, listen, and get him who he wants

          • nicksaenz1

            Fair enough. I basically ignored the “if Kelly sees…” the first time around. I’d have no choice but to agree if that’s what Chip decides. Let’s hope the next 5 go as well as the last 3. Have to win 3 of the next 4 before going into Dallas.

          • theycallmerob

            I just don’t see how we could package picks and get a QB, nor would Kelly/Howie want to, barring a major disaster from Foles and Barkley.
            It would cost too many picks (with too many other needs; I’ve stated before, mid-round with no absolute prospects, I wouldn’t mind trading back a few spots). The teams in front of us need QBs too. And there are no sure-fires in this draft (no luck or RG3 worth that investment in picks). Even adequate QB play may have held us up from drafting there until ’15 anyway, but now I don’t see us needing more than a mid/late round developmental guy.

          • cliff henny

            6-5 has played them right out of top 5, no way should they leverage to get even in top 10 now. meant i’m not even sure if i’d want them going from 18-12, using 2nd to get a manziel (just making up examples) cause i want max talent. if qb falls to them at 18 and kelly want to go that route, fine by me. or, get foles more weapons.

          • nicksaenz1

            Already have the mid/late round guy in Barkley. Stock the cupboards this draft, so long as No-Pick Nick can continue his success and be the guy. He’s certainly earned the benefit of the doubt here. I’d like to hope that we wouldn’t over-react to a bad game, should he have one soon.

          • theycallmerob

            yup. wouldn’t mind another late-round guy, especially if Vick goes and they only have Nick and Mark. although I guess an older vet would make decent sense in that scenario too.
            But yea, definitely the “starter-worthy” picks (first 3 rounds) need to go to other positions, I’d say 1 WR and 2 defensive guys if going by need.

          • cliff henny

            logan thomas in 6th, that guy has all the tools. vatech just does develope qbs at all. couple yrs w/ chippah, he could be awesome

          • theycallmerob

            I keep hearing that name. can’t say I watched the guy, but if he falls to 5 or 6 that’s absolutely worth a gamble. after rd. 4, it’s pretty much a crapshoot

          • cliff henny

            rocket arm, athletic, 6’4 250…just in qb wasteland. was a beast as frshman, just never developed and lacked skil talent around him.

          • BlindChow

            We’ll have to get to him before Andy does…

          • theycallmerob

            unless he’s described as a fastball, not sure Andy wants him

          • BlindChow

            But he does have a high motor!

          • Andy124

            But he’s not undersized.

          • Andy124

            The talent around him isn’t that bad. He’s playing at a D1 school with D1 talent. If the receivers are looking bad, you have to consider the guy throwing them the ball.

            I don’t like the shifting of blame of Logan’s play away from Logan. Reminds me of the treatment another poor passer out of VT got.

            People make the mistake of seeing the physical tools and thinking that the passing game can be taught. I don’t think that’s true, and I think he just doesn’t have it. Maybe he can play TE.

          • nicksaenz1

            VT is notoriously all about the run game. I don’t disagree with your premise, but Beamer Ball is all about run game, great D, and ST. They really don’t develop passers.

          • cliff henny

            saying 6th rd, not 2nd. in late rds just looking for 1 skill that can be developed, thomas has 2 or3. he may not last that long. yeah, the va tech connection would get old quickly

          • Andy124

            If Howie sees something there in round 6, I’ll trust his judgment. I’m just saying the for me, I don’t see it. Frankly, I think Kinne would be better than Logan.

          • cliff henny

            f howie, if kelly sees something in him.

          • Andy124

            misplaced – deleted

          • Andy124

            I thought you’d like that part. :)

          • RIP illa

            Not a bad idea at all Cliff. Like where your head’s at! You’re still not getting Evans tho…lol.

          • cliff henny

            no, probably not. cant tell me he wouldnt be a beast in this offense. moncrief in 3rd, i’ll be fine.

          • RIP illa

            I just love saying that to you. He would be unreal in this offense.

            Also I would love to move forward w/ Foles, but for me, something is “missing”. I want to see that he’s the undisputed “guy” going forward by years end. Not to say he is not building up his résumé to make that claim right now. I just don’t want us to have to draft a QB in the 1st 2 days anymore, and the fantasy GM in me, can still see us taking Manziel, if he slides, as things stand now. But Thomas in the 6th sounds great. I really can’t stand Barkely!!!

          • theycallmerob

            Curious what you see as “missing”. So far, his numbers are akin to all the greats. He’s outplaying every other rookie in his class, and faaaar outplaying his expectations and draft position. Leading the team to wins, at home/on the road and against good opponents. In the Zone-Read post, Sheil notes that 3 passes were all stopped inside the 5- McCoy on the 4, Celek and Coop each at the 1; that’s 3 TD passes off his resume, and a rating of 149.
            Besides his looks and demeanor, still not sure what the guy has to do.

          • BlindChow

            Hey, just realized yesterday was his first home win!

          • RIP illa

            Usually your quips are funnier and all around better!

          • BlindChow

            This one was just an observation.

          • RIP illa

            Are you really curious or just trying to prove some sort of superiority by asking a rhetorical question and then just throwing out answers you already have for yourself and not for me???

          • theycallmerob

            Again, I’m curious. that’s what I see, along with every other objective person. I’d love for you to argue anything I just listed. but if that’s enough, I’m truly curious what else he has to do at this point. or more importantly, how anyone can still see Vick as having a greater potential to lead this team to Ws

          • RIP illa

            So now I’m not objective and need to argue against what you pointed out, as if I have just said that Foles sucks and I want us to draft a QB in the 1st come hell or high water??? SMH!

            I didn’t argue against Foles going forward as the future/franchise guy. Just said I want to see more. The “missing” part is in quotations cause missing is the wrong term and the one I chose for lack of a better term. So that’s my bad. If I truly would have thought something was missing from him, I wouldn’t have used quotations. Also didn’t think I needed to explain that out. So let’s just say I have some unanswered questions about him…if that suits you better!

            I want to see how he handles the pressure of being in a shoot out, when he’s being forced to put up points. I want to see how he does against better competition. That’s a little hard right now cause of the way our schedule is, but he’ll have a chance here and there. I was hoping to see some of this when we played GB, but it didn’t turn out that way. I’m hoping to see how he does when Chip’s O plan is not clicking and the game is falling on him to make play after play. I want to see him be able to, as I said many of times before, put the team on his back and carry them to a win…hopefully against good competition, but we could falter to not so good competition and he could still do it.

            These are just something things I would love to see from him to complete the picture as him being our future/franchise going forward so that I’M nor anyone else would/will be tempted by another QB or prospect. I know he’s all the things that you mentioned. I know he runs this offense really efficiently and puts up good stats. I know he can have a Dallas like game and a OAK like game. I know he’s the starter for the remainder of the season (earned) and that he is positioning himself, very well, to be the guy going forward…as I have already said!

            And all these things are just what I would like to see, personally. Not putting it on anyone else or saying that he has to do them to be the next great eagles QB and if he doesn’t then no one should have faith in him.

          • Andy124

            The “missing” part is in quotations cause missing is the wrong term and the one I chose for lack of a better term. So that’s my bad. If I truly would have thought something was missing from him, I wouldn’t have used quotations. Also didn’t think I needed to explain that out.

            Honestly, I read it the way Rob did as well. The original quotations didn’t scream “lack of a better word” to me. Makes a lot more sense that way.

            Yeah, we all want to see more. We all have seen guys do well for a stretch (not this well though) and end up not panning out. I haven’t quite ordered my Foles jersey yet myself. Imo, he doesn’t have to do anything different. More of the same will be just fine.

          • Andy124

            Added: It’s not that I don’t think that Foles can/will be a franchise QB; It’s that I do think that, but I know I could be wrong.

          • RIP illa

            Thank you. I’ll be sure to write out and explain out next time. I had a level of expectation for Foles…actually a couple and he has broken through and exceeded them in great fashion. I think he’s well on his way to being the guy but their have been so many “Kolb” like QBs in eagles history that I’m not gonna crown him yet.

          • theycallmerob

            appreciated the clarification.

          • RIP illa

            I also find it hilarious how no one can question anything about Foles when most of his intitial supporters, and yourself included, was let’s see what we have!!! So now that I bring that up, in my own way about my own thoughts, as him being the franchise and nothing to do w/ the starter debate from earlier this year…you guys get all up tight and try to go on attack. F’n ridiculous!!!

            And let it be known, that I was a Vick supporter at the beginning of the year, cause Vick earned the job and showed that he was a better at that point and time than Foles. While all the while saying that I didn’t believe the QB of the future was on the roster!!! Look up my post under iLLadelphia. Now that Foles has come in and earned the job a few wees back…I am a Foles supporter! Why??? Cause it’s what’s best for the team!!! And I also think he is doing well to make me think that he is the legit QB of the future!!! Just wanna see more and get more things answered!!!

          • theycallmerob

            Dude, I don’t know why you’re so mad. I didn’t mean anything as an attack. you simply stated you wanted to see more, and I asked what you wanted to see. You still haven’t answered that, other than “it’s personal”. I have never used the word “franchise”; the things I wrote above are pretty much stated in this very article. But apparently, that’s F’n ridiculous.
            sorry for asking?

          • RIP illa

            “every other objective person”…basically excluding me from being objective/flat out calling me non-objective.

            “I’d love for you to argue against anything I listed…” So not attacking but clearly ready and wanting a fight!!!

            I already listed what I want him or would like to see him show. And yes they are just personal expectations I’m placing on him, as he has already exceeded the few that I had before he earned his spot.

          • Andy124

            No offense, but you’ve been really temperamental lately. Remember how touchy Johnny G. used to be? Don’t be that guy.

          • RIP illa

            Lol. Point taken. I’ll try not to be. Usually happens after/while I chat w/ two people…token and Adam.

          • Adam

            Foles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vick

          • theycallmerob

            I would only say you’re not objective if you chose to argue some of those things I listed; sorry you saw it that way. And I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic with the curiosity.
            Let me ask you this another way. say, Foles plays about the current level the rest of the year. Maybe make playoffs, but don’t go far. Maybe even another stinker. But all in all, pretty good-to-great play.
            going into the draft, with an early-20’s spot, do you see any QB coming out as a surefire, instant upgrade over Foles at this point? There were 10 before the season, but this year seemed to expose a lot of flaws in the upcoming crop.

          • RIP illa

            In that scenario, I would hope not. However I think there is still a risk of it, depending on their Draft Board and BPA and also they may move up for a guy. I could see Manziel (specifically) being the case and point for this if he falls into the 2nd. There could also be maybe like one or two other guys depending on how the 1st rd plays out. I’m anti this happening in a big way. But hey, I didn’t think they would do it w/ Barkely and they did!!!

          • Explorer51

            Plus, he’s getting better every game and, clearly, he knows what he needs to improve. I hope we start appreciating him for what he can do and stop nitpicking what he can’t.

          • RIP illa

            Not an issue of nitpicking nor not appreciating. I have given him credit where it’s due as I do every player, even the ones I hate…Matthews!!! There are just things I would like to see from him going forward, in my mind, while he continues to get better and put up great stats and hopefully continues to win. Kids they as proven that he’s the QB for this year and even somewhat for next year. I’m just not ready to anoint him as the franchise yet, until I see more of him and see some questions I need answered (for myself) put to rest!!!

          • cliff henny

            i know, thought it was funny. really do want evans. it’ll hurt when ihear his named called not by the eagles.

          • nicksaenz1

            For a third string guy, what’s the GJ Kinne about? I know nothing about the guy.

          • anon

            I’d say get Vick b/c he knows the system and actually performs well when not hurt and we’d get a hometown discount.

            Can another grizzled vet FA learn / run the system? Vick is also great in the lockerroom — i think he’s done a lot to help the Seans grow / mature.

          • theycallmerob

            My only questions for you:
            what guarantees he takes a home-town discount? his affection was more for Reid, and if another team throws enough money and makes him the starter (or offers the opportunity), not sure he wouldn’t take it.
            also, hard to say he’d be healthier another year older. the speed will eventually go. and I think cliff said it below, but if you’re looking at the backup spot more from the “developmental/guru” perspective than “who knows system/BPA” mindset, I can see why a more mental vet may make sense. Even if said old guy loses out to Barkley and holds the clipboard as the 3rd string; more of a player coach.
            Not saying this is the route they take, but if that is more akin to Kelly’s view than I don’t see Vick making much sense. And again, the first point may take the decision out of the Eagles’ hands altogether.

          • anon

            He may not, but look at the contract he took to stay this year. I doubt in FA he’s going to get a bunch of money. That aside they could go the player’s coach route — i don’t know who you’d have in mind.

            I’d also prefer not to be in green bay’s position…

          • theycallmerob

            true. but maybe Barkley plays better a year in, with reps and practice? he was put in the worst position possible this year, I don’t consider his play so far to be predictive of his talent and capabilities. I think his development will preclude the decision on Vick, in all honesty.
            and it’s hard to look at GB as an example, that doesn’t happen too often. Should any great QB go down, most teams would be screwed (quick, who comes in right now if any of the following get hurt- Cam Newton, Brady, Kaep, Luck, Wilson, either Manning, Rivers, Romo)….could go on. Heck, the Colts only got Luck because Manning’s injury and the great backup plan they had.

            As we all know, Vick is not your typical backup. He’s the most polarizing player in the league. you see it just on our threads.

          • anon

            WRs, DBs and LB depth. I think next year we might have a top 5 front 7 in the league. The mix of Curry, thorton, Cox and Big Benny Logan up front having that time to gel.

            I think Goode might take Kendrick’s job, i said before i’m ok with that.

            We also need to develop some depth.

            On a side note Salas is catching balls in NY — would have liked to see him on the field here. Maehl isn’t doing s**t

          • nicksaenz1

            Yeah, DBs is huge for me. Goode might take Kendricks’ job, but we’ll see. I don’t want to overplay that. He played well in his time, which is all we can ask for. Maybe that lights a fire under Kendricks, who was playing well as of late before injury. DB help is my biggest want, followed by a WR1/2. Another safety so we can let Chung go is much needed IMO.

          • theycallmerob

            are you comfortable with OLB enough to go DB and WR first?

          • nicksaenz1

            Thank you for calling me out on that. Big mistake. I’m okay with either if, and only if, we’re drafting late enough that we’re deciding between the 3rd or 4th OLB off the board and the top 1/2 WRs or top 1/2 DBs. Unless we release/trade Cole or Graham, I don’t want to invest another couple mil OLB. Those two and Barwin take up a healthy chunk of space between the three, don’t need another 2-3mil invested there. Even getting rid of Cole or Graham still costs us a good chunk in dead money. I’d rather get rid of Cole since cutting him saves 1.8 and Graham is the same cap figure regardless.

          • theycallmerob

            http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=LB&y=2014

            not sure who on that list is getting millions from anyone, though I can’t say I keep tabs on all those guys. some of the names I do recognize are older, and/or not playing up to their typical high standards. I think they go young at that position. Plus, still have 2 potential guys in T. Long and maybe Krueger (DL or OLB?). J. Phillips for the ILB depth is on IR too. And I agree with the end, think 1 of 2 goes and more likely Cole due to age. Eags won’t be carrying much in dead money next year

          • nicksaenz1

            Orakpo is getting millions….. Cole is 4.8 in dead money, but after that they won’t have much, agreed. Would love to take Orakpo from WSH. Structure that contract to backload some of the cap hit to work with Cole’s 4.8 dead money hit. Would be nice.

          • theycallmerob

            I think he’s more in the Barwin JOAT mode than a true stud pass-rusher. I thought since his first year, he’s pretty much underwhelmed. Is he a better cover guy? And do the ‘skins have a chance to keep him?
            If we were to get in a bidding way, I’d almost rather not. not a huge fan of divisional castoffs. But of that list, I agree he’s pry the best available.

          • nicksaenz1

            Hard to consider a FA at the end of his first deal a castoff. Would have to know how he’s being used to know what his primary responsibilities are. I was of the opinion that they use him and Kerrigan similarly, in that both do a little more covering than rushing, but still rush more than most cover OLBs. Could be wrong, there. I don’t watch redskins games unless it’s meaningful to, or they’re playing the birds… I certainly wouldn’t get into a bidding war, but he’s def the best available, one of the youngest, and it’s a situation where our gain would be a big loss for the skins.

          • theycallmerob

            know what? you sold me, on 2 conditions:
            -someone takes a pic of chainsaw Dan’s face when they announce the signing
            -Orakpo immediately produces a weekly column, Q&A with spuds for the team site. the topic is “Why Chip is a Better Coach than Shanny”.

          • anon

            Curt Cousins could be a better QB…

        • G_WallyHunter

          Yup, the amount of their future that they strained with that trade, it will be debated for a long time. But, as they were saying yesterday, the $18mil penalty (that they didn’t know of before the RG3 trade) has coupled with the RG3 trade to strain them for the next few years… bad luck and now all they have is a QB, no D, no receivers (besides Garcon, good thing they got the steal on Reed), and no Oline

          • nicksaenz1

            That’s true. Definitely needs consideration. I love it. F the deadskins.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Love how many times RG3 got knocked down and how many times he tried to put an oscar performance into the fall. I respected RG3 to an extent before this game, now I just see him as a whiney diva biotch, got no respect for him now.

            the number of dives he took yesterday, or the number of times I saw him whining to the ref, opinion was changed on him yesterday. He’s a diva, happy he isn’t an Eagle

          • BlindChow

            For all the talk about poor officiating lately, I gotta hand it to the refs for not giving in to him.

          • pjcostello

            THANK YOU, I thought it was just me — He did look like he was complaining to the ref after every play.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Yup, and on a few falls his arms flailed a little too much, changed my opinion on the pos, happy they gonna be back to the bottom of the division..

          • cliff henny

            he did rec a late shoulder, think it was thornton…no penalty, so…great play by defense!

      • anon

        I think he was worth it last year. I think shanny and son are killing him over there. I think shannys et. co. should be gone. Team is f–d

  • addicted2mula

    6-5 , 3 in a row ,1st win a home, 1st place in the NFC east!! NICKPOLEAN and company! Despite the 4th quarter the Defense played well. Still stop Morris for rushing 100+. What for or five sacks. 2 picks. Kept RGKnee contained. FLY EAGLES FLY

    • bthabarber

      Yoooooo….doesnt he look just like Napoleon dynamite? I make crack up when I say “i just wanna throw the ball” (in my dynamite voice) Lmao

  • Bdawk20

    Tweaked shoulder might explain the 2nd half production (After the first drive). Bye week coming at a great time!

    • BlindChow

      Running 75% of the time could also account for it.

      • Bdawk20

        And slowing the offense down. We are more like a hammer, hitting it slow just doesn’t work.

        • nicksaenz1

          That’s what she said.

          • Bdawk20

            10/10

  • addicted2mula

    Typically skins fans response to losing. “We was the NFC East Champions last year” “win a super bowl first”

  • GEAGLE

    Linc was ROCKIN yesterday. We did our part the entire time…no way we were losing that game. THANK GOd for you guys, I completely lost my voice and wouldn’t even be able to talk Eagles today if it weren’t for this

    • cliff henny

      forget the players, you probably need the bye week more than they do! now sweat out next 3-4 days, hope no one ends up on the police blotter

    • A Roy

      I was wondering why your voice was silent at Tommy’s site during the game…

      • Michael Winter Cho

        He was yelling so loud he couldn’t type afterwards.

        • GEAGLE

          I went to bed at 4:30 am sat night! woke up 7am Sunday..drunk by 1030 lol…got home after the game, and just CRASHED for 12 hours..I have no idea who won the other games yesterday. I don’t even know how many fantasy teams did yet lol

    • theycallmerob

      Did you get the chant going at all?

      • GEAGLE

        NO!! Because of that on field experience, I got to see the locker room, while the players were on the field(so I was in the locker room during the player intros and kick off. I was able to stand on the eagles sideline for the entire first Quarter, and I was just SOOO AWE struck…at the beginning of the second quarter they sent us to our normal seats (row 3 at like the 45 yard line…I was a mad man once I got to our seats and really had my section rocking the entire game…as we were all leaving the Linc, I managed to start a pretty awesome “This is our house” chant….let’s just say that after yesterday, everyone who sat in my section will now be referring to Foles as the rain maker lol..

        I was really proud of have crowd in that 4th quarter…we never booed, we never became negative..when they would score or get a big first down we would go silent, but as soon as the skins lined up for the next play and Barwin or Meco started calling for crowd noise, we all stood up and gave them everything our vocal cords had!…really good crowd yesterday…crazy how respectful we have become to fans of opposing teams. I made sure to do my obnoxious part and give them hell the entire game

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    I think in 2 weeks we will see that slide. im sure nick is thinking about that and going to work on hit. props to cary Williams for helping and coop could show him as well. next up..and even at shadys current pace I say he still breaks the all time club record when he blows up with 2 or 3 huge games out of the last 5. go birds!!

    • BlindChow

      None of Foles’ injuries came on his runs, though. Maybe he can learn to slide in the pocket.

      • anon

        Yeah that his from Orakpo had me worried..Being up 24 isn’t enough if MB comes in with 2 quarters left.

  • nicksaenz1

    Dutch, where are you??? I want you to tell me how many picks Foles has thrown this year since he’s such an awful QB. Dutch?

    • cliff henny

      my favorite was him saying the geno smith was better fit than foles and eagles will regret not taking him. that guy is historically awful with turnovers. sure kelly vs marty would help some, but really glad we’re not finding out.
      .
      though in fairness to dutch, it’s really only qbs he’s in full dutchmode, guy makes alot of sense when talking other positions.

      • Token

        lol. Well, the media was on Genos jock there for a bit too. They were on Keenums jock. Neither have have production anything near Foles, yet you dont hear anything about him. Maybe thats for the best.

        • cliff henny

          national media might move on, with bye week and foles not having magical boxscore numbers, under 300 passing no tds, so they wont parade those around. love to be out of media for 10 days, let these guys focus.

        • theycallmerob

          I love not having a rock-star QB. It’s not as if this team has shown in the past that being in the spotlight is best for some player egos. Let them keep doubting; I have a funny feeling Kelly keeps those quotes about being a “college coach” in a binder somewhere.

      • nicksaenz1

        Really? Do you remember his Connor Barwin comments?

        EDIT: James Casey is about the only one he got right.

        • cliff henny

          as i recall, he just said barwin is #2 olb, and we shouldnt expect #1 play, but in a dutch way, that annoyed people. i didnt disagree with him. wait till eagles get legit #1 olb, barwin will look even better. he was kinda right about casey, harbor really could be doing what casey is doing for most part. wasnt his exact arguement, but he ended up correct.

          • nicksaenz1

            I recall him saying he won’t be one of our starting OLBs at the start of the season that’s how poorly he thought of Barwin.

          • cliff henny

            oh, well, he does have his moments

          • Adam

            Yeah he wasn’t even gonna make it through camp according to Dutch

          • theycallmerob

            it was more of a “Berwin has no place on a NFL field”, but extrapolated across numerous paragraphs and poorly developed supports

          • cliff henny

            still rather have dutch than those vick jock loving duo of bigass and #7.

          • theycallmerob

            “way to go defense and McCoy”
            ugh. what a toolbag. Wish he’d stop posting already

          • cliff henny

            then those 2 team up, we just need to freeze them out

          • nicksaenz1

            He’s an Eagles fan, man….

        • anon

          Haha is the below really a thread about freezing out Vick fans b/c they don’t give Foles enough credit? Maybe stop baiting them into arguments — or just respect that they like Vick.

          • nicksaenz1

            No one is baiting them. People would respect that they like Vick if they could accept that Vick isn’t what he was and didn’t feel the need pass along backhanded compliments to the guy that ended his career in Philly (barring injury to Foles, of course).

          • cliff henny

            not all are made equal. you show up on other threads. i’m a fan of vick, but eagles first.

  • BlindChow

    Well, now that they’ve played about the same number of games this year, here are the stats:

    Vick
    77 of 141 (54.6%) for 1215 yards (8.62 YPA)
    5 TD, 3 INT, 4 FUM – (86.4 Passer Rating)
    Rushing: 34 for 308 yards (9.1 AVG), 2 TD

    Foles
    103 of 162 (63.6%) for 1554 yards (9.59 YPA*)
    16 TD, 0 INT, 1 FUM – (128.0 Passer Rating*)
    Rushing: 30 for 123 yards (4.1 AVG), 2 TD

    * – leads league

    • Token

      So glad we can finally put that era in the rear view mirror. Cut him the first day of the offseason.

      • nicksaenz1

        No, if he’d stay as the backup, keep him. Barkley isn’t ready to be backup yet. Vick’s the best backup in the league!

        • Andy124

          We don’t have to cut him, his contract expires. Let him try to start somewhere else. I think Barkley will be fine as a backup with a year under his belt and some actual reps during TC next year. And even if he does falter, we’ve still got Kinne.

          Seriously though, I’d rather bring in a grizzled vet (in the mold of a Hasslebeck) that has been studying defenses for 10 years and can help mentor Foles.

          • BlindChow

            We can finally bring back Trent Edwards!!!

          • nicksaenz1

            Your last paragraph is an excellent point. He’d help both guys out. I’m behind that move 100%…. We all know, despite being told how many years Vick started, that he didn’t spend much time studying defenses. Certainly not in ATL at least.

        • Token

          no. Thats the last thing this team needs.

          • anon

            Why?

          • RIP illa

            Cause Token is severely short sighted and narrow minded and makes dumb ass demands of who should be on the team or not w/o thinking anything through as far as depth, replacements, position assignments, situational football, the cap…etc,etc!!!

          • anon

            He just doesn’t like Vick — for whatever reason.

          • Token

            Because after one bad game you bring on the questions of is Vick going to start next week. Having him in the picture can only be a bad thing.

            Plus Vick is terrible. Im not sure how much larger of a body of work you people need to see that.

            Either Barkley is the backup or Chip drafts someone later that he can work with.

          • RIP illa

            That’s kinda silly. The one bad game scenario was like that for Vick, due to the simple fact that he accrued many bad games in his tenure here. If it’s Foles job heading into next season, like it’s playing out to be, then it would take numerous bad games for Foles to be unseated. Folds has proven that he earned the job, finally. No one will be calling for his benching after one bad game. At least no same rational person.
            And if Vick is so terrible, then that almost certainly eliminates the scenario you put forth!!! Even if Foles goes down to injury, he would still keep his job…cause Vick is so “terrible”!!! Your last statement is agreeable though, assuming Vick won’t be back.

          • Token

            Plus we dont need conversations like this anymore. The entire franchise and fanbase needs cleansed of Vick.

          • RIP illa

            Lol…Simple point is, that if a QB is not drafted next year, then it’s Foles job to lose. And the way he’s playing now, he’s clearly the better QB out of a combo of Vick and Barkely. Therefore there would be no debate or arguments for Vick to start, especially after on bad game!!! The argument would most likely be between who should start if Foles gets hurt…Vick or Barkely.

            That was the main reason to you not wanting him back and it’s been defeated, even by yourself in your initial statement. So come up w/ another reason. This also doesn’t exclude that Vick may not be back here next year. Yet still it could be argued for his return as a backup.

          • Token

            Luckily this isnt something to even worry about. They would never bring Vick back. Nor do I think he would come back anyway.

            He is gone. Come to grip with it.

          • RIP illa

            Token: “Come to grip with it”.

            Me (before Token’s response quoted above): “This does not exclude that Vick may not be back here next year.”

            SMH…think that means there is nothing tho come to “grip” w/. Why must you always be a clown.

          • anon

            you keep bringing it up…

          • EaglePete

            amen

    • Adam

      Rushing yards are pretty damning though. Because, ya know, the Chip offense.

    • cliff henny

      record? w/l’s is all that matters. sorry vick, style pionts dont count. enjoy watching guy play, but it just doesnt equate to wins.

    • theycallmerob

      but…the teams! the competition! receivers dropped balls for Vick! the kevlar kept him from gripping the ball! the run game! big arm, strong legs! scheme was still new! pluto was in orion’s belt! montezuma’s revenge!

      • nicksaenz1

        WRs couldn’t beat single man coverage. And the run game worked with Vick. Can’t forget those two staples.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Ya run game sucks now, completely terrible, shady 215 yards in 2 games? could be better

      • anon

        Well…Vick did play the two best teams in the league. I think the offense looks better with Foles — but competition isn’t the same.

        • theycallmerob

          I care about the team first. Plain and simple, we’re winning. And it’s not as if Foles is some game manager.
          As cliff said below, you can be a fan of Vick (I respect the man greatly), but not at the expense of the team. Some folks had it backwards.

          • Mr. Wu

            exactly….your one of the few logical voices on the subject

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya couldn’t be said better really, I’ve always been a fan of Vick, really do still wish things worked out with him this year, but Eagles come first, it’s more obvious than ever that it’s time for the team to move in a different direction, anyone denying that is clearly a Vick fan or they have no idea what they’re talking about (or usually both) so cya Vick, nice knowin ya, Go Foles!!!

    • Wilbert31

      Irrefutable evidence. To any sane person.

      • nicksaenz1

        “To any sane person”…. key qualifier right there. We know Vickologists have their sanity in question.

  • nicksaenz1

    Next two games are HUGE. Both teams are 6-4 as of now, and we historically have a tough time with AZ. I think the AZ game is going to be ugly and low-scoring. The DET game has me nervous. Stafford, Megatron, Bush, decent D. Have to keep DET under 30 to win that, IMO.

    • cliff henny

      AZ game is rumored to being flexed to sunday nite too.

      • nicksaenz1

        Damnit.

        • cliff henny

          why? prime time in philly, extra 7 hrs to tailgate…linc will be off the hook crazy. AZ going to need riot police protection

          • nicksaenz1

            I’ll be flying to KC for work for 2 weeks. Was hoping to catch the game before my 540 flight. Should land and arrive at hotel in time for 2nd quarter, though.

          • cliff henny

            kc is so nice to visit. it’s a bit shocking, everyone is so nice. took me couple days to get used to it.

          • nicksaenz1

            2 weeks though? I’ve heard some good things. Excited for some of the famous BBQ. Gotta find some good local spots to eat, as well as a nice steakhouse.

          • theycallmerob

            hit up Dontari Poe on twitter :) catch him at the right time asking about bbq, he might curse out you and the kool aid man

          • nicksaenz1

            hahaha nice. hope he still remembers the spots to go to since he gave it up

      • Token

        ugh…. just keep the rest of the games at 1.

        • cliff henny

          you dont want to hear collinsworth explain the read/option all night…incorrectly

          • Token

            i HAAATE night games. Its like torture.

          • cliff henny

            little more buildup hype for us out of philly.

          • nicksaenz1

            I hate Collinsworth. Listening to him IS torture.

          • BlindChow

            I could use some solid prime time Jason Peters fanboyism.

    • anon

      No one can stop our offense. I think we can stop Palmer.

      • Andy124

        Chip Kelly can.

      • nicksaenz1

        Both AZ and DET have great D-lines. Those battles are keys to both games.

      • BlindChow

        And Kelly gets 2 weeks to prepare!

        (Andy Reid is now 0-1 after the bye in Kansas City.)

      • OldDocRoss

        “No one can stop our offense”.

        Matt Barkley did :(

        Arizona game’s huge. Their run D’s legit and I worry Carson Palmer might pull a Rivers on us and act like he’s actually still a Pro Bowler. If we win that it would do a lot to shut up the (remaining) nay sayers.

    • Token

      I gotta say, maybe stupidly, that Im not too worried about AZ. With that said, you really never know what Eagles team you may get from week to week.

      But Palmer sucks. I think we should be able to keep their offensive production down. I get that he has played better the last 3 games, but it has also been against 3 of the worst teams in the NFL.

      They have had a good rush D tho.

      Detroit I cant see how thats a win. I think our D is gonna get feasted on that game.

      Should beat the Vikings

      Dallas game is certainly winnable. The Bears game you should have a shot at.

      So if you fall to the Lions and Bears you are at 9-7.

      Cowboys play @ a better playing Giants. Raiders. @ Bears which is always tough. Packers, maybe Rodgers is back. @ Skins. Eagles.

      • theycallmerob

        Pryor should shred that D. Rodgers too. and two tough division games against teams with nothing to lose and a hatred of all things silver and blue.
        I like our positioning much better. even 2-2 heading into DAL game would force them to come in 3-2 to keep pace. I doubt they win more than 3 of those.
        if Iggs stay healthy, they should be able to send Jerry packing at his house for the 3rd year in a row. regardless of how we do in playoffs, that alone would make my summer

        • Andy124

          FTFY :)
          PryorMcGloin should shred that D.

          • theycallmerob

            thanks…didn’t realize he was hurt that bad! stupid Cowboy luck. Hope Rodgers makes it back in time

          • Andy124

            Not sure it’s lucky for the Cowboys. And I wasn’t predicting Pryor would still be hurt, just being a PSU fanboy.

          • nicksaenz1

            FTFY? Help me out, here. It’s Monday.

          • Andy124

            fixed that for you.

          • nicksaenz1

            Word.

        • nicksaenz1

          Pryor has to play to shred it.

        • Token

          Going to the playoffs would be ridiculous considering where this team was last year.

          Now, way too early for all this……

          But a 3rd or 4th seed is getting a tough first round matchup. Right now it would be the 49ers or Panthers. Im still waiting for the Panthers to fall off. Some tough games left.

          • theycallmerob

            As you said, the playoffs alone would be incredible. Ruin the offseasons for our divisional foes. all 3 head coaches on seats of fire, Kelly looking like the best FA pickup league-wide.

            To say we’re 6-5 heading into the bye, with QB stability, and 1st place in the division with a fair chance at the playoffs (not like we need to back our way in or have X, Y, and Z lost) is just terrific. Next two weeks should be great

  • GEAGLE

    I always get ripped for thinking RG3 is grossly over rated…

    Maybe he will become a great QB, but he isn’t even close yet and it’s disgusting all the RG3 love that I have to constantly be subjected to…he was great last year running, and throwing to his first read, occasionally his second read….dude is way more physically gifted than SAINT Nicholas THE RAIN MAKER, had almost double the game experience, yet is not developing fast enough to justify all the love he gets..

    Would you trade Nick FOles straight up for Ryan Tannahill and his big arm? Lol

    • nicksaenz1

      Tannehill has a crap line. If he had time I’d be curious to know how good he’d be. No-Pick Nick certainly benefits from having some time for the majority of his drop backs.

  • Kev_H

    Keep the QB untouched as much as possible and give up the designed running plays. Foles has far too many runs the last two weeks.