Eagles Wake-Up Call: Kiper Talks Quarterbacks

USATSI_7542610_168380503_lowresMel Kiper, Jr. held his first conference call to discuss the 2014 NFL Draft Thursday. He touched on several topics that may be of interest to Eagles fans.

Let’s start with the quarterbacks:

Kiper thinks that there could be as many as six QBs taken in the first round (assuming the listed underclassmen come out). And they are: Teddy Bridgewater (Louisville), Marcus Mariota  (Oregon), Johnny Manziel (Texas A&M), Brett Hundley (UCLA), Derek Carr (Fresno State) and Zach Mettenberger (LSU). He views Carr and Mettenberger as fringe first-rounders.


On the 20-year-old Mariota, who is coming off a down game against Stanford while dealing with a knee injury: "One game does not a career make. He's at five on the big board. I'd like to see him go back to Oregon. The more you can play [in college] the better you will be in the NFL. It's been proven, it's something a lot of NFL teams really believe in. I think he is still in that early first-round discussion. You need a quarterback, you look at him."

On Manziel: "He has certainly improved his status and stock in terms of the draft. He had some issues obviously going in and then all of a sudden when he gets out on that field and puts his pads on and starts leading his team, all you can do is be impressed. His pocket skills have improved, his ability to throw the football accurately has improved, his decision-making has improved. You know what a competitor he is -- he lays in on the line every play. He's a warrior out there. To me, I have him at 12. Some may have him a little higher, some may have him a little lower. I think Todd McShay has him at 21 right now. I know system-wise everyone says it's the Eagles, but bottom line the kid is a football player and if he just takes care of business and becomes the first one in and the last one to leave and sets the tone off the field, he can be a heck of an NFL quarterback."

Interstingly, Kiper projects Clemson's Tajh Boyd to go between rounds 3-5. Some early mocks have him as a first-r0und pick.

It's probably a good idea to keep an eye on the Oregon players that are coming out. Besides Mariota, Kiper spoke about running back/utility man De'Anthony Thomas and cornerback Ifo Ekpre-Olomu.

Thomas: "He is a wild card. He's a situational dynamo -- this league could use a guy like that. You can see the type of ability he has running the ball, catching it, return game. A muti-facted, multi-dimensional player that can light up the scoreboard. I would say second or third round for De'Anthony Thomas.

Ekpre-Olomu: You look at what he's done at corner, he has enormous talent. He's done a good job. Is he a lockdown corner? Maybe, possibly. In this league you only have a couple of them now, maybe only one. In the top 15 to 20 is where I would project him right now."

WHAT YOU MISSED

In the latest Inside Voices, LeSean McCoy rolls out his top-5 running backs, Eagles fans give their team the finger and Brandon Graham vents.

Sheil takes a look at the state of the Eagles defense with some help from  the All-22.

No longer fighting the system, DeSean Jackson is in the midst of a career year.

Kapadia takes a look at the Eagles pass-rusher rankings through 10 weeks.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

The Redskins media talked to Chip Kelly about RGIII. From the Washington Post. 

Griffin is coming off of two of his better performances of the season, having completed 47 of 69 passes (68 percent) for 572 yards and three touchdowns while throwing just one interception. Griffin also has regained explosiveness as a runner, although he still may not have totally returned to last season’s level.

“He seems like he’s a little bit back to his old self,” Eagles coach Chip Kelly said during a conference call Wednesday morning. “Obviously, the first game we played him, he was coming off the injury and didn’t really take any live reps from what we understood going into our game, and that was really his first live reps.

“Now that he’s got all those games behind him, I think he’s playing at a high level,” the coach said. “Their offense is ranked very, very high in every category — total offense, rushing offense, passing offense. He’s really playing at a high level right now.”

Don Banks of SI.com is picking the Eagles over the Redskins, 33-27.

Picking the Eagles to win at home keeps costing me ground this season, but the stink at the Linc has to lift eventually. Win-starved Eagles fans might tear the place down if the Birds snap their 10-game home losing streak and climb over .500 in one fell swoop. Philly's offense won't look the same as it did the last time Washington saw it, in that Week 1 Monday-nighter, but it's actually a better, more consistent unit with quarterback Nick Foles having supplanted the streaky, oft-injured Michael Vick.

COMING UP

We'll continue to get you ready for Sunday's game.

  • UKEagle99

    Hopefully Foles is the answer and we can spend that 1st round pick elsewhere.

    • Richard Colton

      I hope so too UK. I finally have the feeling that the team is on the way up instead of sputtering in neutral, but there are still so many needs, I’d love to keep that pick.

      • UKEagle99

        Indeed. Plus if Foles in the answer it makes next year more viable for a good run as the QB position will be further down the development road than it ever would be with a rookie, no matter how talented. OLB/CB/S it would definitely be nice to see those addressed early.

        • GEAGLE

          There are literally only two safeties I want..Jarius Byrd and Hasean Clinton Dix. have to get one of the two…preferably Byrd so we can focus the draft on other positions..
          .,,
          I would swap CB for a pass catching weapon. Byrd will make our existing CBs much better, and that 12 sack OLB will make them even better….also ii hate drafting CBs and Safeties high.

          I really don’t expect to draft a CB in the first 4 rounds..I could see us trying to sign another Bradley Fletcher type..
          also Because when Howie was coming up in this organization, we always had a rich CB history, and he owes us for NNamdi…I wouldn’t be surprised to see Howie “Splash” Roseman try and sign Altueran Verner if the Titans don’t franchise him.

          I think Howie is now comfortable with our locker room and the foundation he put in place this offseason to where he can now be comfortable adding big names now that we have the coaching and leadership to keep them motivated and not rest on their laurels after getting PAID..

          If for some strange reasons guys don’t get franchised, I expect Howie on the phone trying to make that splash and bring in the top young CB in the game, or a Jimmy Graham type of splash

          • TheGreatJB99

            Hi pal!

            I am surprised you have Clinton Dix rated so high. To me he isnt even the best S on that team… as soph Landon Collins has made many more splash plays. No way would I take Clinton Dix in the 1st when you can get Deone Bucannon … the Louisville guys… Exum… Craig Loston… Ed Reynolds… etc etc.

            I think I would take LaMarcus Joyner over Clinton Dix in the 1st.

        • theycallmerob

          I agree with CBs. Not many great ones in this draft, and all the highly touted ones seem to struggle anyway. how many lockdown corners are in the league right now? how many of the guys recently drafted 1st rd are playing well, let alone even playing? I can only think of Patrick Peterson; Milliner, hayden, claiborne….I think that’s one position where talent can be found later.
          Let’s get that stud pass rusher in here. It’ll improve every other level of the D

          • Token

            Yea CB isnt something I think Id ever take in the first round again.

            Its just a different league now.

            You cant have slop out there like Cary or Aso… But a guy like Fletcher is good enough.

            Safety has become a very important position and I really hope they dont ignore it again. Just sign Byrd and hope he and Wolff can solve that position for a few years.

            But pass rusher, absolutely the #1 need going forward, unless Foles sucks.

          • theycallmerob

            And as you showed with the Fletch example, it’s a position where talent can be found in FA. Not a lockdown guy, but someone who will do just fine with a good safety behind him and a good pash rush up front. No team is letting a stud rusher walk in FA

          • Richard Colton

            Last Eagles 1st round pick to make the pro bowl? Lito Shepherd . Point is, I’m generally OK with the position they take in round one, as long as he can play. If we’re talking CBs specifically, Rob’s point earlier is well taken, doesn’t look like much talent at that position early.

    • knighn

      I just hope he gives us something definitive in the way of an answer. In other words: I want him to either show that he’s just been lucky, or I want him to show that he’s actually good!
      And whatever answer he gives, I pray will not be an illusion. I don’t know what would be worse: if he looks good, the Eagles pass on a 1st round QB in 2014 and Foles ends up not being very good; or if he looks mediocre, the Eagles trade him away and he ends up winning big somewhere else.

      • UKEagle99

        We have some more games with which to judge him, my only concern is that our opponents haven’t been that great and the ones that were decent took care of us with relative ease. Still, the guy can only beat the team in front of him and this week that’s the Redskins.

        • Adam

          Which games are you referring to in regards to Foles? The only teams that he’s played that can be considered decent all around would maybe be Dallas and GB minus the 3rd string QB. Dallas was an obvious stinker but GB he did fine.

          The only teams that “took care of us” was KC, Denver and maybe SD, games in which Foles did not play, and even then it was more of case of our defense not being able to hold up more than it had to do with QB play.

          • UKEagle99

            Yes, sorry, I started talking cross purposes between Foles and the team.

            In hindsight it would have been good to see him play against KC. The only time he has played poorly imo is Dallas. I’m still of the mind he got hurt early in that Dallas game. He has taken care of buisness in the other games he has played. He has definitely had some luck but what QB hasn’t? The remainder of our schedule doesn’t seem that daunting, especially from Foles point of view. The remaining defenses we face are currently ranked 27th, 13th, 24th, 30th, 26th & 32nd.

          • Adam

            Agreed. KC would have been a great litmus test. I want to see how he handles a shoot out, which this weekend might turn in to.

          • theycallmerob

            I would say the Bears, Cards, and Lions will all pose a challenge. May not have the best statistically ranked D’s (ARZ does), but they’re all teams fighting for playoff spots; that hunger counts for something. And if the division is close, the last DAL game will be huge no matter what their D is ranked.

          • Eagles4Life

            Well, another thing is if we win say the next 2, Foles is going to have more pressure to perform at a high level and seal a playoff spot. We’ll see enough by season’s end, I think.

          • UKEagle99

            If Foles IS the guy, we should definitely make the playoffs, it may come down to week 17 vs Dallas but looking at our schedule, if we are seeing the real deal with Foles then we should be in. Anything can happen in January.

          • GEAGLE

            You are being spoiled by his play…no kid with under 16 starts Should DEFINTELY lead us to the playoffs, but the kid has a chance to…but if he only goes 2-4 the rest of the way that doesn’t mean u write him off…just because fans needed to see him play out of this world to get on board, the front office knows that he shouldn’t even be playing this well so soon..
            ..
            No amount of losses this year will be a fair indication of what kind of future awaits our coach and QB..they are grossly out performing where they should be right now in the progression..

            How many GREAT QBs did you hear people talk about: “this is the first year in the system, they won’t really be comfortable and be able to show you what they can really do til year two in the offense…that statement has been made for some of the best QBs in the game, some of which were veterans at the time,,,well when you are talking about an inexperienced kid and a rookie head coach bringing a drastically different scheme then the year before, so if you want to make an accurate evaluation of what you have in a young QB, you BETTER extend FOles the same patience..

            No matter how good he looks or how bad he looks, it’s not going to tell you who he will be when he has 24 starts under his belt…but if you keep him under center, keep him taking the first team reps, give him an offseason as the MAN, then this time next year he will have 24 games under his belt, and we can start getting a clear idea on how good this kid can be….just because he has been impressive, doesn’t mean you stop treating him like a kid who has only played 10 games…I. Have the upmost belief in the kid, but even I think it’s a mistake to just expect smooth sailing the rest of the way

          • Richard Colton

            yeah. 16 TDs and 0 ints tends to spoil us. Speaking of spoiling, how ’bout a home win?

          • GEAGLE

            Lol shouldn’t be too much to ask

          • theycallmerob

            I’m not sure all that pressure is on Foles, this team was never expected to be at a playoff-level (at least from the personnel/talent perspective). I’d take that as a bonus, especially if he wins against, say, the skins and ‘boys but circumstances beyond his control cost us (like the ‘boys getting hot and winning their next few or the defense costing us in a shootout loss).

          • Eagles4Life

            That’s true, but it’s how FOLES performs in those moments that we’ll see what we have in him. If Sunday turns into a shootout, how will he respond? If Week 17 is for all the marbles in the NFC East, how will he respond? Those are observations that would need to be made. They may not be wins, but you’ll at least see him in those pressure situations.

          • GEAGLE

            You are mistaken if you think a young QBs 14th start is going to tell you what you really have

          • Eagles4Life

            Dude, it’s not all about the stats. I’m talking about the intangibles here. Some people still have that “it” about them regardless of their numbers on a given day, and some don’t. You need to see that in a franchise QB.

          • theycallmerob

            I get that. I just don’t think that, if he plays well but the playoffs become the barometer (if we stay in the race), the team falliing short would dampen his stock. The weak division helped overshadow our flaws and keep the Iggs in the race, but it’s still more than 99% of fans thought would happen in this season.

          • bentheimmigrant

            Geagle is the 1%.

          • GEAGLE

            I saw enough IT in the kid to be comfortable taking a chance on him especially since I can count on him staying humble and hungry. is there really any doubt that the kid is going to work his ass off this summer? If you work hard, you don’t remain the same, you improve..

            My post was more about how we evaluate young QBs in General…I just don’t think you can reach any conclusions until a kid has ATleast 24 games under his belt, and at the very least has two years in the same offense with at the very least one offseason as the man..
            ….
            FOles isn’t showing us who he is right now. he is showing that he is worth investing in his development, giving him the game experience that he needs to get under his belt so that we can find out who he will be…and in My eyes, I have seen enough already to want us to start jerking him around and giving him the next year and a half as the man so that we can find out how good he can be, while putting him in there best situation to realize his full potential…..but I don’t think we will really get to watch, A developed Nick until 2015, and until 2015 I care much more about seeing how he handles the tough times, seeing

          • Eagles4Life

            There’s plenty of people that work their asses off and plateau. That’s for one. That’s not to says Foles won’t or can’t improve. I’m really not even talking about that. There are some QBs in the league that are just not “franchise” guys, and you can see it when they play in pressure situations. Matt Schaub is a prime example, to me. He can play, but he just doesn’t have that “it” about him when he faces tough situations. I expect him to crumble. I am all for giving Foles next year to see what he can do, but if he doesn’t give off the right aura down the stretch here, win or lose, I’d definitely be leery.

          • Richard Colton

            disagree. Those teams Foles defeated proved that they’re terrible because they were defeated by Foles. In the case of Oakland, one of the bottom ten defenses of all time.

          • Michael Winter Cho

            This is so true. Any time Foles throws a TD pass, it’s actually because of a breakdown or a player slipped. Also, it always either looks easy–or hard. Furthermore, any time Foles throws a TD, the played who was beat should be fired. If the Eagles score at least 2 TDs with Foles as QB, the opposing D coordinator should be fired. If Foles scores more than 5 TDs, the opposing coach should be fired. The next time Foles scores 7 TDs, the owner should be fired. If Foles ever gets even more lucky than he already is and scores 8 TDs, the league should dissolve out of shame and let the XFL take its place because the NFL would then be too watered-down and easy.
            If they ever manage to beat a good team, it actually can no longer be considered a good team. If they ever win a playoff game, that was the weakest playoff team (by definition) ever. If they win a Superbowl, they were the weakest Superbowl contender since the merger. If they win multiple Superbowls, they will have to be considered the weakest multiple Superbowl winners in history!

          • the brainster

            Wrong. Oakland had the 9th ranked defense in the NFL, going into that game. And your comments are idiotic.

          • Richard Colton

            wrong. Oakland’s numbers were empty. how good could they have been, considering they let Captain Checkdown throw 7 TDs on them? The Raiders, the Bucs, and now Green Bay are officially three of the worst defenses in NFL history.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I think the brainster is completely missing on your sarcasm.

          • Richard Colton

            you call yourself “brainster” you’d better be more perceptive than that.

          • anon

            he did miss that TD throw in the SD game. (joke)

      • Eagles4Life

        E X A C T L Y

  • nicksaenz1

    Same score, Banks? That’s bold.

  • nicksaenz1

    By noon this very well may be a 175+ comment thread. It’s Friday, and it’s our beloved topic of college QBs.

  • Will

    G-O-E-A-G-L-E-S!… QB-Were Good There…

  • UncleCarm

    Does anybody else think that description of Manziel sounded like past descriptions of Vick. (problems off the field, pocket presence getting better, puts it on the line every play, warrior). These are all things that have been said about Vick at some point. I admittedly don’t know much about Manziel, but he seems a little cocky and headstrong. I wonder how coachable he is.

    • Richard Colton

      The more I watch Manziel, the more I like him. My biggest concern with him is size. Yes, he’s big enough to make plays, but will his body hold up in the NFL?

      • reb

        I haven’t had a chance to watch him. My question is – is he playing in a system and making reads/good decisions? Or is he like a young Vick and just relying on his athleticism?

        • Richard Colton

          see, that’s exactly what I was expecting to see this year, one read, then go. But he really isn’t that guy. He goes through progressions, finds the hole in the defense, identifies single coverage, etc… they roll him out a lot to mitigate his height disadvantage.

          anyway, I think the maturity stuff is overblown. He’s the most hyped 20 year old athlete since LeBron was a teenager. I think he’s handled it relatively well. My lingering concern is the shots he’ll take at the next level.

          • Brandon Boykin, OLB

            Mr. Colton, thank you. My sentiments exactly. I think the masses bought into ESPN’s vilified reporting of him. Throw on the tape and he looks great. Not to mention that there are many reports that his work ethic is actually off the charts.

            Big point here: I was not drafting him for the Eagles with my post. I just like your analysis of Manziel. If the Iggs did draft him, maybe we could pick up Incognito to do the dual job of replacing Herremans and putting Manziel in his place…

            Jokes.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            I share in both your concerns (Colt & Token). Vick & Brees are both built thicker than Manziel through the shoulders & hips. I think his best comparison is Brees but I don’t think he’ll ever be the footwork technician that Brees is or have the size that Brees has. Johnny’s frame is about maxed out as it stands & I don’t see him putting on an additional 15-20lbs. Those breakdown runs where he’s all over the backfield & then fires up a jumper would be defensive highlight reels via Sack, FF & INTs. He would definitely need to learn to throw it away or he’ll get pulverized.

      • Token

        no.

        And people complain about Foles arm yet are fine with Manziel’s? Doesnt make sense to me.

        A big problem is that not only is he 5’11 but hes got kind of a side cocked release which effectively makes him even shorter in the pocket.

        • anon

          another Vick comparison.

        • Richard Colton

          which you can ameliorate by rolling him out, not unlike Brees. I’m not completely comfortable with the comparison, although Brees himself keeps making it.

          Again, my #1 concern with Manziel is his size. Someone would have to put that fear to rest before I’m sold on him as a potential franchise guy.

          • Token

            Brees is a technician. I hate that comparison. Maziel is not that player.

            Im guessing he comes in at about 5’11 at the combine. Probably 175lbs. And he aint gonna get much bigger. His frame is just really small. Look at his shoulders. Super thin frame.

            The only thing most of his highlight plays would do is result in a sack for a loss in the NFL. Because he doesnt have the elite speed of a young Vick. Im guessing he is probably around a 4.6 runner.

            I clearly dont see it with him. But I get why some do. If Foles sucks the rest of the season I wouldnt be mad if they drafted him because I would get the pick. But I dont feel it would work out.

          • Richard Colton

            that’s what I mean. The plays where he’s moving around the pocket and barely escapes…when it’s a Suh-Fairley sandwich, I’m not sure he’d survive, let alone finish the game.

        • plainspeak

          My sentiments exactly. QBs are drafted to throw the ball, and any NFL team much less ours could do better than Manziel. Better Foles stay as the QB than draft a 6 ft guy with questionable arm strength.

    • bentheimmigrant

      Nobody has ever said “completes 70% of his passes” about Michael Vick.

      • Jerry Pomroy

        Yes that’s for certain. Johnny’s also got a monster WR to bring down those jump balls he throws up under duress. Not taking Vick’s side either. Just highly concerned that Johnny Football will share another ill-fated trait associated with Vick & his new nickname will become Johnny Football Observer.

    • Weapon Y

      His “problems off the field” are way overstated. He’s not a drug dealer, underground dog fighting kingpin, or a murderer. He’s just a college kid who likes to party.

  • Tom

    By draft time if chip Kelly believes our best chance of winning multiple superbowls is to stick w foles than we stick we foles. If Kelly doesn’t, and he believes a franchise qb is in the draft beyond teddy and mariotta who will cost too much, then you go get him and trade foles or keep foles for a year in transition like San Diego did w Brees and rivers. I trust chip and Howie and think they will make the correct choices based on their track records. Not sold on foles as a franchise qb yet… Better you can get at the qb position easier it is to win every year.

    • jabostick

      I tend to agree. I think the best thing about Foles’ play this year is that it’s opening up options in the offseason and we’re not going to be forced, leverage-less, into one move (i.e. finding a QB) and possibly compensating some other team accordingly.

    • Billy

      And hows that working out for san diego? They let a guy walk, a guy who showed he could play, to draft the great college qb. Tell me how great that worked out for san diego? Foles can play in this league. You dont let guy who can play go, for guys you dont know about.

      • Tom w

        Worked fine. They made it to 2 afc championship games but had two bonehead coaches. And sorry big difference between being able to play in this league and having probowl talent to be a great qb. I don’t see anything that foles does great yet. Ok arm no athletics ….. Good pocket awareness. Good field recognition. Not sold yet. Like I said. Trust in chip. He knows better than all us morons and that’s the truth

        • Billy

          Chargers go to 2 afc title games, Brees sets records and wins a super bowl and is still light years better than rivers ever will be. Yeah worked out great for san diego. Thankfully, chip and howie realize giving up on a guy who has proven he can play well in his 10th start, for a guy who has proven nothing can set your franchise back 5 years.

          • Jerry Pomroy

            Have to agree. I’d rather ride Foles out & address other areas of significant need (WOLB). Then after next year if you come to realize that Foles isn’t the guy you’ve just put yourself in a much better position to be able to bring a rookie QB into & you also can then be more flexible in your aggressiveness to obtain said QB. But again, I’d like to see what Foles gives me for the remaining 6 games & onto next season before I make that decision.

  • ICDogg

    Where (if anywhere) does he rank Braxton Miller? Or doesn’t he think Miller will leave school?

    • Token

      Kid is like a 6th or 7th rounder.

      • ICDogg

        Has all the raw skills an NFL QB needs, needs polish but I would take a shot with him.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I’d take a shot if he fell beyond rd 3, but any higher is taking away from another pick to add talent to other positions of need. However, I’m intrigued to see what Foles can do. But I’m not against the mindset of taking a developmental QB say every other year in the mid to late rds.

    • theycallmerob

      Seen him “mocked” anywhere from late 3rd to 6th; combine may help him more than most if he does declare.
      If Foles is good enough to keep from needing that 1st or 2nd rd guy, I’d take a later flier on him for sure. Wouldn’t mind seeing Lazor coaching up Barkley and Braxton, and maybe another veteran brought into camp if Vick doesn’t stay.

  • Eagles4Life

    Wait. For. Jameis.

    • Richard Colton

      he looks like a star, doesn’t he? ESPN is currently in the process of building him up so they can take him down…

      • Eagles4Life

        They very well could be lol, but I’ve got my money on him for this year and going forward.

      • theycallmerob

        Haven’t they already started? a few days worth of “investigating an abuse”, including a source saying he’s not talking to police. Gotta love the mothership

        • Richard Colton

          yes. ESPN was great last night. “We don’t know what the allegation was…or even if it was made against Jameis…all we know is that it was a year ago and has something to do with sex.”

          Copy by Dutch.

          • theycallmerob

            Typical delta behavior, those hooligans.

  • GEAGLE

    When will these QB prospects go away and when will I stop reading how FOles can’t run a Chip Kelly offense? When does it end? After the next draft passes and we don’t draft a QB? Will that put the insanity to rest?

    • Brandon Boykin, OLB

      I’ll answer your question with a [few] question(s).

      *clears throat*

      Did it stop prior to the 2013 draft? Did it stop during the 2013 draft? Did it stop after Matt Barkley was picked? Did it stop during the preseason competition? Did it stop when Vick was named starter? What about when Foles threw 7 TDs?

      Answer. They’ll never stop.

  • ZReadDE

    If Nick Foles continues the way he is going for the rest of the season, keep him. If Chip feels however, he needs his own “franchise QB”, I would actually like Manziel. He has played lights out and would be perfect running the Zone Read. You can then trade Foles for more picks or get value back. But again, this all depends how well he plays for the rest of the year.

  • Jerry Pomroy

    Seen some comments today surrounding players in the upcoming draft. Did anyone see Kempski’s grocery shopping, 5 players to watch? He listed Aaron Lynch, 6’6″-OLB from USF as a potential developmental guy that the Birds possibly have some interest in. Lynch transferred to USF after his freshman yr at ND. Then sat out all of ’12 as a redshirt. Here is the interesting part. I watched some game clips on him today & the kid was an absolute BEAST at ND as a freshman, where he weighed in at 270lbs. But he dropped down to 245ish since and is now virtually invisible. Talk about a tale of two tapes. If that kid declares & there aren’t any red flags on his character, and he’s sitting there after rd 4, the Birds better pounce on this kid & get him on a strength & conditioning program ASAP to get him back up to 270lbs because man could he be a major find if he returned to form & then got some NFL coaching.