Kelly Addresses Vick Injury, Hazing

Eagles QB Mike Vick and Nick FolesMichael Vick appears at practice every day with his helmet strapped on. He goes through the exercise regimen and drops back for some throws during the brief period that the media is allowed to view practice.

But the 33-year-old quarterback doesn’t sound all that close to a return. Vick has been limited at practice this week, per Chip Kelly, and is doing less than he was after originally injuring the hamstring against New York.

“Before when Mike was injured we got him in on 7-on-7 and things like that, but he hasn’t taken any reps on 7-on-7’s this week,” said Kelly.




Is he getting any better?

"I think he is," said Kelly, "but it's one of those things where every day you kind of get an update on where he is. I know he's working extremely hard at it and doing everything he possibly can but he hasn't taken any reps.

"[You approach it conservatively] a little bit because he came back before and injured it again in the first quarter against the Cowboys, so I think we have to make sure, we can't rush him back and you have to make sure he's healthy when he goes because it doesn't help anybody if Mike goes out there and can only play a limited amount of snaps because you're right back where you started."

The Eagles' have two games -- at Green Bay and home against Washington -- before the bye week. There is logic in waiting until after the bye before contemplating bringing Vick back. Once he has returned to full health, Kelly will have to decide whether to stick with Nick Foles or go back to Vick. For the time being, Vick is not an option.

Cedric Thornton [knee] was back at practice after sitting out the last two games. Bradley Fletcher [pec] practiced as well.

Kelly on hazing

Given the situation going on in Miami, Kelly was asked for his thoughts on hazing in the NFL.

"I think with all our guys they're all members of the same team and should be treated the same way," said Kelly. "I think some of our young offensive linemen make sure there is water stocked in the offensive line meeting room but everybody is a professional, everybody is on the same team. We don't have a rookie show, we don't do those things. I think we're all on the same side. It's us against the other 31 teams in this league and I think the quicker you can get those guys indoctrinated into, you are a member of the Philadelphia Eagles now and there's a way we expect everybody to act...that's the way we've always approached it here."

Has he spoken to the team about this issue?

"We addressed it when we brought the rookies in here, just told them that everybody's the same. Whether you're a 10-year guy or a rookie, that's part of the deal. And part of our job is to make sure the guys get acclimated. And what was it like when you were a rookie? It's hard, even though they are professionals there is still a learning curve. It's just like being a freshman in college or a freshman in high school again. It's a difficult transition for anybody."

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  • Johnny_P

    Let’s be honest with ourselves: At this point, does it even make sense for Vick to be on the roster? Kelly could clear alot of confusion and the weekly questions regarding the QB race, if the organization decides to cut their losses and move on from Vick.

    • DEBO 215

      I wouldn’t cut him. I’d just name Foles the starter for the remainder of the season if he wins in GB and at home against Washington.

    • anon

      So we can watch MB if Foles gets hurt? What would we do with the extra roster spot? What signal does that send to the guys in the lockerroom where Vick is undoubtedly a leader? Would that just lead to the media asking tons of questions about Vick anyway, especially if anything happened to Foles?

      • DEBO 215

        I’d rather see them start GJ Kinne then see Barkley take another snap in midnight green, lol.

        • Andy124

          Swear to god I saw reports saying Kinne has easily the second strongest arm on the Eagles.

          I joke about Kinne all the time, but I would love to seem him get a real shot someday, just for the Rudy style awesome story it would make.

      • Johnny_P

        I know change is hard for some people to deal with, but the reality is, it’s time to move on. The ship has sailed with Vick, this coming from one of his biggest supporters since he arrived in Philadelphia. It’s a new dawn for Philadelphia Eagles football & you have to see what you have in your younger crop. Barkley is no world beater, but it’s time to groom him for a potential future back-up role. You are just hindering his development with an aging veteran, who the team knows, is not coming back next year.

        • Adam

          Even if Foles were to be named the starter outright there are still reasons to keep Vick on the team. If Foles gets banged up but your team is still in the hunt for the NFC East, Vick for a game or two is a better option than Barkley.

          If we were 0-9 I would agree with you, but we’re still somewhat in it.

          • Brian

            This shouldn’t even be a discussion. Anyone who thinks that cutting Michael Vick, in the middle of the season, is a good idea is being ridiculous. That would be the fastest way to lose this team.

        • Andy124

          QBs don’t get cut in the middle of the season because they lost their starting job.

          It’s just not a realistic scenario. May as well debate the merits of trading Riley Cooper for Calvin Johnson (I’d pull the trigger on the deal, but try to get an additional draft pick from them too).

          As far as next year, as stated above, I completely agree with you.

          • anon

            In addition to his poor play i don’t think i like MB’s personality either. He’s terrible but seems like he’s more interested in blaming other than just saying i suck and i need to get better.

          • Andy124

            I don’t blame you. He didn’t make a great impression with his interviews after his two appearances. Gave out more information than he should have imo.

            I’m not one for judging rookies with minimal practice reps, so I basically have a very strong non-opinion on his potential as a quarterback.

          • anon

            I hear you, but as a 4-yr starter at a legit football school i expected more.

          • theycallmerob

            I think 3 key things work against Barkley this year:
            (1) his comeback from injury; it was apparent he still hadn’t healed, even during camp, but his arm is better of late.
            (2) never had the job. even the rare but more recent success stories, like Wilson or Luck, were starters from day 1 in the offseason. Barkley has always been 3rd string, got 3rd string reps, and was thrown in cold during game situations with schemes tailored for a QB with a different skillset (Vick).
            (3) again, Wilson and Luck helped make folks forget the overwhelming history that it takes years for these guys to develop. No need to rehash this again, but look up any great QBs stats from his first 2 or 3 years.
            With positive contributions from LJ, Ertz, Logan, and Wolff, I don’t mind the Barkley pick at all. Still good value for the 4th rd, even if he develops into nothing more than a #2 who can come in and win games in a pinch.

      • Justin

        “What signal does that send to the guys in the lockerroom where Vick is undoubtedly a leader?”

        While I’m not saying we need to cut Vick right now, it’s going to happen sooner or later. Unless we plan on having Vick around until he retires just because some guys view him as a leader. If we moved on from McNabb, we can move on from Vick.

        • anon

          My point is no need to cut him at week 10 of the year. Especially when his pay is contingent on playing. End of the year i’m ok with moving him on or making him a backup at the right price. I think the AR injury proved to everyone the importance of having a legit backup.

          • Andy124

            Need that roster spot for Kinne.

          • Andy124

            And I’m not a fan of bringing Vick back as a backup. If they decide to go with Foles, go with Foles.

            You know the ‘Seans aren’t the most mature guys in the world. I don’t want them longing for their childhood hero every time Foles struggles a bit.

          • anon

            The way people hanker for Foles every time Vick plays poorly. Or Kolb before that, etc. Anyone decent we bring in is as a backup is going to be subject to the same thing just the nature of Philly fans.

          • Andy124

            That’s from the fans, not the players.

          • anon

            ahh i thought “Seans” was a typo but now i see what you’re saying. I don’t think there’s been any lockerroom issues from the Seans. They just want to win. They were (at least outwardly) supportive even when Foles played poorly. Now if it was MB — probably different story.

    • Ron Swanson

      Kelly doesn’t care about fan confusion or questions about the qbs. There is no benefit to cutting Vick. If Foles gets hurt, Vick would be the best option to try and win a game.

    • AZ_Eaglesfan

      If we win this week and the Cowgirls lose, we are in first place. Would you want to risk losing a playoff game because our backup QB was Barkley? No. Vick has a place on this team, as a back up.

      • BlindChow

        We’d still be in 2nd. Dallas has a couple tie-breakers on us.

        • Andy124

          I want to upvote this for accuracy, but I cannot upvote something that points out Dallas being ahead of us.

        • AZ_Eaglesfan

          And that changes what I said how? Dallas would still be 5-5 and the Eagles would be 5-5 and we would still need a backup QB in case we made the playoffs.

          • Andy124

            He wasn’t disagreeing with your larger point, just pointing out that your first sentence wasn’t quite right. He’d tell you himself but I’m very bored and I beat him to it.

          • AZ_Eaglesfan

            Glad we are here to discuss the Eagles and not nitpick at each others speech… O wait…

          • BlindChow

            Dude, you were wrong on the internet. And now EVERYONE KNOWS.

          • Andy124

            LMAO

          • AZ_Eaglesfan

            Life…. it’s meaningless now.

          • BlindChow

            We wouldn’t be in first place if we were in second place.

            I mean, right? Those are still two different things?

          • Richard Colton

            Solid work out of all three of you. How about this a compromise? Eagles in second. Cowboys tied for third-to-last.

      • #7

        Lol. Vick a backup. Those words don’t even go together. He will ACCEPT that role for the team, but he is no backup. The hammy was an unfortunate and unlucky fluke injury.

        We would have had just as much success with Vick. Would he have thrown 7tds? Maybe, maybe not, but what does that matter if you win the game. We could put Vick in and we would have McCoy producing again.

        • AZ_Eaglesfan

          Woulda, shoulda, coulda, huh? Sounds like an accurate description of Mike Vick’s entire career. He ALMOST was successful, but he never really accomplished anything great. The bottom line is Foles threw for 7 TD’s while Vick was nursing a hammy that will put him out for at least another month. Vick is done as the starter in Philadelphia, you can go be a fan of some other team next year.

          • #7

            A superstar was almost successful. Never heard of that.

          • AZ_Eaglesfan

            What was Mike Vick’s greatest accomplishment? Making it to the NFC Championship game? Great career, especially for the first overall pick.

          • #7

            So it’s Super Bowl win or a QB’s career is a failure. You’re a f’in idiot lol. Go ahead and loop Marino in there too and say he sucks since he never won the super bowl either

          • AZ_Eaglesfan

            LOL. All I asked was what was his greatest achievement was and then I answered it. I never said,”If you don’t win the SB you are a failure of a QB.” You are just an over emotional Vick lover who wears some thick homer shades. Vick has only been healthy for a full season once in his career. He has only thrown for 3000 yards once in his career. He was never a consistent top 10 QB in his entire NFL career. Before he got to Philly he never completed better then 56% of his passes. That is awful. But go ahead, make yourself sound even dumber comparing Vick to a HOF great like Marino. Vick won’t even sniff the HOF, he doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Dan Marino. I am looking at the facts, but according to you I am an “f’in idiot”. Grow up kid, you don’t know what you are talking about, and everyone that is even slightly reasonable on this blog knows it.

          • #7

            Your statement reeked of Vick not winning a SB is a failure of a career. Say what you want, but not a lot of players can say they were the greatest of all time at something and Vick can say that. Call me a”Vick lover”that’s fine. Just responded to your “post”. He will be back this year. Write it down

          • AZ_Eaglesfan

            Sweet, he was the best runner ever to play QB. He was a great entertainer and he brought a lot of excitement to games. He was electric in the open field and he could make people miss. Not exactly the things you look for in a starting QB though. The only way he is back this year is if Foles gets hurt… he is a backup after all.

          • #7

            Well as an Eagles fan you should be happy that we have a starting QB that can come in should our “starter” goes down instead of bashing. Foles has A LOT more to prove

  • theycallmerob

    There is logic to waiting until after the bye before contemplating bringing Vick back.
    Preach, Tim. Let’s (1) give him time to get fully healthy, for [dare i say it] any sort of stretch run; and (2) give The Unassuming One a few starts in a row. Let’s see what the kid can do, once and for all

    • DEBO 215

      Agreed, well said.

  • DEBO 215

    The Miami situation isn’t hazing. That’s beyond hazing. It’s good to hear that the hazing that’s going on here is what you’d expect anywhere…stocking water, carrying pads, picking up a check at a resturaunt, etc…I don’t know what the hell to call that Miami situation. It’s a mess.
    You have to let Vick get back 100% and you have to let Foles get a couple more starts in before even considering bringing Vick back. If Foles lights up GB and Washington, then Vicks health won’t matter. He’ll be on the bench.
    Dare I say that this is his last shot to win the job though? If he completely tanks this week and next week, do we see MV7’s curtain call after the bye week then a first round QB? I’m thinking that’s the case if he craps out.

    • anon

      It’d be tough to write him off even after two bad games considering he played two great games.

      The Miami situation looks a lot more nuanced than people initially thought.

      • DEBO 215

        Yeah now all of a sudden this Martin guy and Incognito are friends? It’s snafu’d down there, lol.

      • DEBO 215

        While you’re right that it’d be tough to write him off, if he wants the job sooner or later he has to take it.

  • borrowedbreath

    Didn’t he re-injure his hammy against the Giants?

    • DEBO 215

      The initial injury happened against the Giants.

      • borrowedbreath

        Right. And then Foles started against the cowgirls. And Vick started against the Giants again.

        • DEBO 215

          I thought we started Barkley against the Giants in the second game didn’t we?

          • DEBO 215

            No you’re right. Vick started, reinjured his hammy, Barkley came in.

          • borrowedbreath

            No worries. I was at the cowgirls game. And I didn’t think I tailgated that hard before the game. :)

          • anon

            How was that to watch live? It was awful to watch on TV. Kept thinking all we needed was one drive to be in it and it just never happened.

          • borrowedbreath

            Rough.

          • DEBO 215

            I would imagine worse because we couldn’t see the wide open WR’s running free before Foles completely missed them or didn’t throw it to them…My brother in law said the entire stadium would be screaming at him to throw the ball at times, lol.

          • anon

            Philly is a tough place for us to play.

          • Andy124

            Once the team gets a little momentum, picks up a couple wins at home, builds a little trust with the fan base, that will turn back around.

  • Weapon Y

    If Foles does well enough to be the 2014 starter, I’m not quite sure what to do with the backup QB situation. I can’t say I’ve seen enough from Barkley yet to be comfortable with him filling in. Honestly, I’d like to keep Vick as the backup, provided he wouldn’t want to join another team. I just don’t see anyone on the free agent list better than Vick and I don’t feel like using another high-mid draft pick on a QB. I truly think Vick is a good influence on the locker room. He’s not the self-absorbed diva he was in Atlanta. He’s wiser now and the players, Foles included, benefit by learning from him. He’s shown ability to play very well in Chip’s offense, albeit inconsistently.

    • cliff henny

      my only issue with bringing vick back is camp. my guess would be in 20 yrs, vick will still look like a freak athlete in shorts and shells. just as a fan, really cant go thru another spring/summer of comparing deep balls vs no coverage, vick hitting flyswatter updates and comparing read option runs against air.

    • Brandon

      Barkley will be the backup.

    • Andy124

      Aside from the reasons I think the Eagles should not bring him back (which I’m sure will be debated endlessly this offseason), it doesn’t seem likely to me that Vick would resign here.

      New coaches often like to bring in a veteran qb to steady the ship while they get their guy ready. Plus, even if he’s a bottom-10 qb, that’s still 10 cities where he might be able to compete for a starting job. That kind of situation is going to get him more money and feed his ego better than signing to be Nick’s backup. His ego knows no bounds. I’d be astounded if he wasn’t 100% positive that he’d win any quarterback competition he managed to find himself in.

  • #7

    Feels like a Vick funeral on here. Vick will be back here or elsewhere. To cut Vick during the season is asinine. We will need a good QB to come in should Foles flops or gets hurt

    • KimbaFuzz

      It does feel like that. I try to avoid talking about Vick in these forums/chats now for that reason. There’s very little positive said about him which is unfortunate. However, it is the Foles era now, so I’d rather concentrate on that.

      • #7

        The Foles Era? Uh…not quite. He has a bit more to do before he can have an “Era”. Should he last, Foles should be the starter. I like Vick better and we will not be playing the Raiders every week. I just think that Vick brings more to the table especially with the running game (which we will need down the stretch to help keep our D off the field/weather change) and it’s looking like with Foles in, the games are going to be on his shoulders more than it should be UNLESS he can actually pull it off. Teams are stopping McCoy and people can say what they want, but Vick made McCoy a better player. Not taking anything away from McCoy at all. Dual threat QBs seem to always have that effect on the run game IMO.

        Prime example, CJ2K down in TEN. He hasn’t been the same back since VY left town and VY was an OK QB, but the threat of the run by VY opened things up.

        I watched the Randall Cunningham “A Football Life” last night and Vick reminds me of him. Vick will indeed leave Philly after this season, but I truly believe he has one more run in him if he can get with the right team and do like RC did….realize that he doesn’t have to make all of the plays. Gifted athletes like Vick and RC…they apparently have a hard time with this and I can see why.

        • EaglePete

          I have that on my DVR, will prob watch this weekend, cant wait. I am still amazed he did what he did in Minn. He had the slowest, longest release ever and would get passes batted down all the time. They never had a good offense with him in Philly per Buddy. It was either Randall create or it was 3 n out, seemed like it anyway. So many games those offenses struggled. Different era though, as well he had amazing weapons on that Minn team.

          • #7

            Man I thought everything Randall did was perfect…you are indeed right though. The long release…not as scrutinized as it is today IMO, but he got the ball there in Minny. It’s funny, I was actually watching his release compared to PHI and MIN and it was quicker it seemed.

            To me, it was a combination of things that happened in PHI. As much as Buddy was loved, he was not a great HC. His whole “make 5 plays and we win the game” strategy was flawed and would never fly in today’s NFL. Cunningham had way to much freedom in PHI and was definitely caught up into being a celebrity.

            He went to Minny as a different person. I will never forget that year. He was unbelievable. I believe this same thing will happen for Vick. One run left in him IMO and apparently it won’t be here. You should watch it man. Best one by far

            Put Cunningham in Chip’s offense and he dominates. Vick in his prime (humbled Vick) too.

      • Ray

        It’s not unfortunate. This nigger piece of shit should never had the chance to play again after his conviction of cruelty to animals.

  • Andy124

    Geez dude. Did your mommy not love you or something?