Wake-Up Call: Foles And Hearts And Minds

photo (49)Every young quarterback has to go through the process of trying to win over the locker room.

In Pittsburgh back in 2004, starter Tommy Maddox went down with an elbow injury early in the season, forcing Ben Roethlisberger into action. Veteran lineman Alan Faneca was asked at the time  if he was excited to see what the rookie could do.

“Exciting?” Faneca said. “No, it’s not exciting. Do you want to go work with some little young kid who’s just out of college?”


Roethlisberger went 13-0 as a starter that year and led the Steelers to an appearance in the AFC Championship Game. He was the 11th overall pick and wasn't exactly replacing a legend, but there was resistance.

This is a brutally tough league and the window for every player is always threatening to slam shut. There is little patience for a project.

Nobody has given Nick Foles a stiff arm like Faneca did Roethlisberger. As the Michael Vick-Foles joint press conference illustrated, this is a pretty unique situation. Vick has put team in front of self-interest, and that has really set the tone. There is support for whoever is under center.

That's not to say that Foles hasn't been climbing uphill in some way. This preseason he was charged with not only winning the quarterback competition but also winning the hearts and minds of his teammates -- some of whom once  idolized Vick.

"To be honest, we all kind of looked up to Mike Vick growing up, and playing with him is something special," said LeSean McCoy.

"Vick and me and McCoy, we're definitely a tight group," added DeSean Jackson. "We've played so long here and done some great things as well. That's n0t going to change."

That was really an underplayed element of the quarterback duel during training camp: Guys like Jackson and McCoy are not only close with Vick but intimately familiar with his body of work. What could Foles have done to convince them that he was a better option? Especially in this system, which rewards mobile quarterbacks? Vick was the more desirable choice.

Foles has had to earn his wings and, while the jury is still out, the second-year QB took a big step forward Sunday against the Raiders. Loyalty and trust in this game is linked largely to production, and Foles definitely had that offense humming in Oakland.

"Nick fits right in," said McCoy of the Vick-Jackson-McCoy dynamic.

"Nick is a young guy but he is playing well. Me and DeSean have had that role where being young, we had to step up and make plays. And Nick is stepping right up and doing the same thing."

"Honestly man, he's just taking the business side of it: coming in early, staying later, just hanging around the guys and just being a leader," Jackson added. "When you have young guys come in they really don't know what to expect but early in his career he's able to stay around here and just motivate guys, have those characteristics that you want in a quarterback. I see a big change in him since last year."

The relationship between Vick and Foles seems genuine. And, as the sample size grows larger, the key playmakers' faith in the green QB appears to be growing.

"Having Foles come in, really with the position where Vick has been, we've still been able to be like an older brother to him and kind of help him out throughout the process.," said Jackson. "He definitely took everything in, he's learning. We all just have fun together, play the game with a lot of passion."

"I have a great relationship with the both of them," said Foles of Jackson and McCoy. "I think all of us who are younger watched Mike when we were that age and looked up to him, in awe of what he can do and what he did back then. Mike's been great. He's been very supportive of me throughout this. You all saw first hand how him and I interact and nothing's changed and that's what is special about it. LeSean and DeSean, we have a great relationship. They play extremely hard and they're great players."

WHAT YOU MISSED

Sheil goes into the lab to reveal how Foles and the offense rebounded. 

What does an Eagles' "rookie initiation" consist of? We take a look.

Notes on Zach Ertz, the defense and Foles' secret weapons from Sunday.

Kelly weighs in on the recent health scares for a pair of NFL head coaches.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

MMQB came up with a midseason All-Pro team. McCoy and Evan Mathis represent the Eagles.

McCoy leads the league with 777 rushing yards, and he’s fumbled just once. It won’t be long before critics knock McCoy as a “system back,” but Shady is just tremendous, especially in space. The only question is if he can last the season as the workhorse...

Mathis is simply the best guard in the game, and it’s not even really close. Just a phenomenal athlete and top-notch technician.

Mike Foss of USA Today wonders whether Foles' performance is a good thing for the Eagles.

Average quarterbacks don’t throw for seven touchdowns and 400  yards in a game. Peyton Manning throws seven touchdowns in a game. Perhaps even more impressive is that Foles only threw six incompletions Sunday. He threw more touchdowns than incompletions.

Unassuming backup quarterbacks don’t have that output in them — stars do. So now what is to be done with totally average star quarterback Nick Foles? Lucky for Kelly, Vick’s status remains up in the air so perhaps a decision won’t need to be made immediately. Perhaps Foles’ play will even out and any questions will answer themselves. But the best scenario for Kelly could very well be that Foles fails, and Philadelphia has a shot at drafting a quarterback that fits his system better than either current option. Kelly’s former quarterback and current Heisman contender Marcus Mariota will be on the board after all.

But if Foles continues to perform and the Eagles continue winning, the most unassuming of eras could be beginning in Philadelphia whether anyone wants it to or not.

COMING UP

We'll speak to Kelly in the morning before practice.

  • Will

    Foles had a Perfect Day at the Office against Oakland…Can he do it again in GB? Aaron Rodgers being hurt definitely will help…42 -17 Eagles win….

    • anon

      If we can stop the run then it’s over. Eddie Lacy feasted on the bears D — most likely b/c their line has been riddled w/ injury. Wonder if this is going to be a record year for ACLs. Dr. Andrews is feasting.

      • nicksaenz1

        Dr. Andrews is getting PAID. I’d be curious to see a chart of the number of surgeries he’s performed from 2000 thru now, see the increase, as well as see the varying types of surgeries. I know it’s not just knees he does. I’d also love to see what he makes since he’s basically the man everyone in sports goes to see.

  • TheGhostofNormVanBrocklin

    Getting really tired of the talk of next April’s draft. It goes from these message boards now to the national media. Damn, can we just let the next seven games play out and then worry about the “QB of the future”. One game out in the NFC East with a bunch of winnable games coming up and everyone wants us to draft a QB in November. As my wife’s drunk uncle likes to say about everything, “Just let it develop…”

    • Will

      I’m enjoying the development of Foles and this Offense on the field…We as philly fans are smart enough to know it’s one game at a time…Foles has played really bad in Dallas then really great in Oakland….I saw flashes before now if Foles can be consistent he’s making a great case to be the full time starter… As someone stated above sit back and enjoy it will play itself out….

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        “The philly fans are smart enough to know one game at a time…”

        LOL. Really?

        • Will

          Well we are lol….

        • Richard Colton

          this isn’t a dig BBaAS, more of a teaching point. Try visiting the city and attending a game before you rip the intelligence of the fans. You probably don’t see this stuff on TV, but Philly fans are so passionate/informed about our sports, we recognize the things that need to be explained to casual fans in places like your town.

          example – at an Eagles game, how many times do you see the fans booing a false start or illegal formation before the ref throws a flag? Or at a Flyers game when the play goes in offsides on a power play? Or an illegal defense in basketball (when they still played D in basketball).

          Your comment was lazy and ill informed. You should seriously consider writing for Bleacher Report. I’ll write the first line for you: “Philly fans, who once booed Santa Claus…”

          • Adam

            I think the biggest problem is that the fans have grown impatient. Media spun Chip Kelly so hard that he was the next coming of Jesus that they expect immediate results. With Vick and Andy at the helm for the past few years we’ve been bad when we were supposed to be good, and now with Chip people expect us to be good when really should be rebuilding.

            Winning cures all. If Foles can keep the hand hot this week I like our chances at home against Washington the week after.

          • Richard Colton

            agreed Adam. except division games are so hard to predict. anything can happen.

          • Brian

            Richard, I believe you’re being unfairly harsh on this one. One thing that’s apparent, from reading the comments on B24/7, is that there is an extreme lack of patience in the fanbase. I know more about the 2014 Qb class than I know about most of our current roster, due to all of the speculation and impatience of the regular visitors to this site.

          • Richard Colton

            lack of patience doesn’t equal stupidity. It’s galling when out of towners who don’t know better make blanket statements about the fan base that aren’t close to being true.

            Want to see stupid fans? Go to a Jacksonville game. I swear half of them were expecting a Nascar race instead of football.

          • Will

            Not an out of towner but I apologize for the way it was worded…point being the QB situation will play itself out one game at a time this season.

          • Richard Colton

            that’s the point Will. you live/have lived here – rip away. call me a neanderthal, I’ll shotgun a beer with you and high-five you in the JETRO lot before the game.

            If you showed up as a fan 15 minutes ago because you like: Midnight Green, or Vera Wang, or Mike Vick, then cheer – but don’t rip a fanbase you know nothing about.

          • Will

            Choose to enjoy the Win and looking forward to GB game. Hoping the whole team can keep executing….Here’s a Nate Allen hustle play gotta post it since I’ve been really hard on him

          • Richard Colton

            you don’t have the one of Boykin laying him out?

          • Will

            Na Nate catching him and being dragged was some real hustle on Nate’s part, I don’t know if it’s the New Defense or the fact Nate’s in a contract year. Nate has up his play, not the physical player I want back there but he continues to show up on film with some great tackles….

          • Brian

            Lol. I agree about the blanket statements. I didn’t read the comment as a knock on intelligence, as much as a lack of patience.

          • Nah__Roots

            oh, ohhh! Can I get a teaching point from the great Richard Colton too!? Please, oh, please tell me it’s my lucky day. However will I be able to form opinions without getting schooled in the art of arrogance, condescension, and passive aggressiveness? I’m jealous of you, BBaAS, and how much more informed you are now.

          • Richard Colton

            you mad bro? here’s a teaching point for you: When you decide to love one player instead of a team, we’ll remember. You’re a Vick sycophant. Disappear with the rest of them.

          • Andy124

            So you have 1 post in this thread that praises Vick. One post that just got missed, and he went through and downvoted every other one of your posts regardless of content. Then he logged out. Logged back in with a different account, and downvoted all the exact same posts. That’s dedication.

          • Richard Colton

            which I admire a great deal. If he or any other of his personalities come back, I’d like him to address this comment he made a few days ago:

            “Uh, speak for yourself. I don’t get how you can sit there and be like “yeah, let’s just throw Foles out there again and see if he doesn’t suck as much as we all know he does.” He HAD his chance. He’s had multiple chances. He couldn’t get it done over the summer and he sure as hell didn’t help his case a week ago. We can WIN the division this year. There’s no point in wasting any more games on “maybes” and “hope-he-cans” and (my favorite) “the future”. NEWS FLASH – not every player on this team is part of the future. All they want to do is win. Don’t you? Unless Vick still doesn’t feel right going into this game you have to start him.”

          • JofreyRice

            Great, great post, and right on the money. It’s fantastic that the team has fans all over the world, Atlanta, Canada, Scandinavia, Cambodia, and I’m all for them rooting for the team…but don’t talk s!*t about how “critical” or “impatient”, “unreasonable” Philly fans are, because you are doing it as an outsider. You’re taking shots at the city of your adopted team, from your pedestal on high.

            Many of us have rooted for the Eagles since before we could even remember; generations of fans waiting to see a Lombardi hoisted, and a parade on Broad Street. If you’re someone who glommed onto the team because you like the way they look, or play, or there is one specific player you deify, you’re just not going to appreciate that.

        • Maggie

          Totally agree. And by the way, the jerk Richard Colton personally attacks everyone he perceives as female. The very first comment I ever posted on here, he came back with some drivel about how stupid my screen name is! Nothing at all about football. Since then, he has done similar posts, on a personal level, no matter what the topic of conversation might be. He attacks you for making an observation about Philly “fans” when he does not know who you are, or where you are, just MAKES ASSUMPTIONS about you. Once a month he writes something funny, otherwise just ignore him,

          • Richard Colton

            thanks Maggie, more like every other month, but I’ll take it.

            You’re actually the perfect example – you live in Vancouver. You’re mad because I called you out for not knowing you’re supposed to hate the Cowboys and then everybody laughed at you.

            Don’t be upset, you learned a lesson. Thank me and move on. Hopefully you’ll think twice next time you decide to post in support of Tony Romo.

          • Maggie

            That is ridiculous! I have NEVER posted anything in favour of the Cowboys. I have despised the Cowboys for 40 years! I laughed when Jackie Smith dropped the ball in the endzone. Now don’t you EVER try to suggest that you know everything and are never wrong! Btw, that does not stop me from admiring individual talent on other teams, but once again, I have NEVER posted about Romo, Richard Colton.

          • Richard Colton

            if I find it and repost, do you promise to go away? and please, call me Rich, or Dick.

          • Richard Colton

            http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2013/10/09/injury-update-vick-limited-wednesday/

            being in love means never having to say, “I’m sorry”
            Watching you backpedal and squirm out of this one will be payment enough.

          • Adam

            That’s dedication.

          • Andy124

            I won’t be impressed until he makes a second accout named Dick45 just so he can double down-vote.

          • JofreyRice

            Internet Diagnosis – Persecution Complex.

            He’s not attacking anyone, he’s a Philly guy responding to someone from Atlanta characterizing Philly fans as stupid.

    • Will

      Stick with Sportrise and screw the National media….

    • anon

      Haha i think we were talking about playoffs after TB. Then Giants and Cowboys happened…

    • Mr. Magee

      I want to know more about the drunk uncle… Give us some context for how he uses that phrase? Is his wife’s name Gladys, by any chance?

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    These things play themselves out as they always do. No worries there.

    • Will

      How do you feel about the upcoming GB game? I like are chances..The Eagles are getting better both sides of the ball..

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        I feel like it should be a W.

        Rodgers is out. McGown feasted on their secondary b/c they had no pass rush with most of their LBs out. Matthews is returning but I think 2 others are still out, so I still don’t expect them to generate much of a pass rush still.

        They are last place in the league in red zone defense, so as long as we move the ball well we should find the endzone. Though they are good about getting takeaways.

        All in all I think everything matches up favorably for us.

        • Will

          and it is an away game….

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            And it is an away game. lol

            Now that Redskins game….

          • Will

            Yup didn’t want to go there….why is this team so much better away than at home? Makes no sense to me…there preparation must be different…

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            I have no idea. It makes no sense. I want to say we should beat the Redskins, but it’s a divisional game at home, so anything is possible. Sigh.

          • anon

            They probably don’t perform well knowing they are going to get booed.

          • pjcostello

            It’s a combination of things, I think… they’re a young team in a lot of places, and they’re a ‘new’ team — many players who are new to Philadelphia, even if they’re not young. They have to learn how to win at home together, with the pressure of the hometown crowd.

          • Adam

            The Linc isn’t a hostile environment unless you’re the Eagles players. I don’t think the first half was even over during the Dallas game and people were booing and piling out. The open corners in the stadium don’t help either, crowd noise isn’t as loud as it could be if you fixed that IMO.

          • theycallmerob

            to be fair, that is on the list of things being addressed this summer

            The stadium will add 1,600 seats, with 800 in the southwest corner, 600 in the northeast corner, and 200 in the northwest corner. The capacity of the stadium will stay under 70,000, which the team wanted, to preserve intimacy.

            http://articles.philly.com/2013-06-10/sports/39851770_1_jeffrey-lurie-don-smolenski-eagles

          • Maggie

            I find this statement hilarious in itself. 70,000 people are “intimate”. I visualize numerous drunken beer spillers being ever so apologetic, lol.

      • Richard Colton

        hey…its a road game

  • DirtyWaters

    It’s just too soon to tell about Foles. When examining a data set it’s best to eliminate the outliers, in this case the Raiders and Cowboys games. He looked great in Tampa, but that’s one game. I would love to see him get all the first team reps this year and then let’s decide. It would suck to waste a first round pick on a QB when there are so many needs on D.

    • Will

      Foles should start the next 2 games bar injury…I do not see Vick coming back till after the bye week…

      • DirtyWaters

        Do you think Vick will be on the roster next year?

        • Will

          I do not have a crystal ball cross that bridge when we get there…I think Vick as a 1 year contract…Vick will turn 34 and is injury prone. Depends on a lot of things…Foles continues to play lights out gonna be hard to keep Foles on the bench..

          • DirtyWaters

            Nor I. Honestly, i didn’t think he was gonna be on it this year. But I would like to see Foles get the starts for the rest of the season. I think we already know what we have in Vick.

          • Will

            That’s up to Coach Kelly, what to do if both Vick and Foles are healthy. Me personally ride the hot hand and start Foles…

          • anon

            I’d have Vick as a backup next year if he wants that. Give him $5m. As you’ve seen with the Aaron Rodgers incident you really need 2 QBs in this league. Lots of fear in GB that their season is over.

          • nicksaenz1

            $5mil for a backup? Idk about that. Can’t see over $3mil. We do have other positions that are in need of investment. That $2mil difference alone would go a long way.

          • knighn

            Believe it or not: a good backup is worth more than $5 Million in today’s NFL. Vince Young got paid more than that for a one-year contract as the Eagles backup. The Eagles still wouldn’t be investing much in the QB position since they can’t extend Foles contract until after year 3.

          • BlindChow

            Vince Young got $4 million, I think?

            EDIT: No, you’re right. Looks like he got $5.5 million. Foles is still cheap, though, so $5 million for a backup wouldn’t be overspending on one position.

          • knighn

            Yeah – if Vick stays that might be more than $5 Million. Even with his injury history Vick, in this offense, is worth more to the Eagles than Vince Young. Might be $7 million. Sounds like a lot but that is nowhere near franchise money in today’s NFL.

          • Mike Calabrese

            Having Vick as a backup would cause to much controversy if the starter had a bad game or 2. I just think as stated in article Vick has a idol status with guys like McCoy and Jackson. So if the starter struggled the patients would not be there. This is not Vick’s fault and he has been very good leader, but simply put it’s just not something that would allow team to begin new era correctly in my opinion. Again not Vick’s fault and to his credit he has been an excellent teammate and leader.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Vick is an unrestricted free agent after this year. He was always a one year rental with a slight chance he’d return if he made a playoff run (some would argue a deep run) so he’s all but out of the picture.

          The rest of this year will likely determine whether we ride with Foles as the unquestioned starter or we draft high (whether b/c we land high or trade up) and grab a potential QB of the future.

          • DirtyWaters

            Exactly. So even if Vick is healthy after the bye, I see no reason to start him again except for an unhealthy Foles. If the playoffs are still a possibility, don’t wanna see Barkley.

          • Token

            Vicks done regardless of what happens.

            The really interesting thing would be if Foles plays good the rest of the year. What do they do?

            I think it almost doesnt matter. I think Chip wants a runner arounder. It gets his heart racing to see a guy running around. O and the RO fake, it really gets him in the mood. Even though the RO is all but dead already in the NFL, he probably still wants to base his QB selection around that.

            So probably we will be looking at drafting another QB and watch him get injured while running around.

            Between Foles and the draft they should just be choosing the best thrower and decision maker they can. But im afraid 40 time probably ranks really high on Chips QB criteria. Hope im wrong. Either way it will be interesting to see if Foles is actually capable of making the decision tough for them.

          • Andy124

            I understand your pessism there. I’m just not seeing much evidence to support it. As Eagle fans we have a right to our unsupported fears though, so I don’t begrudge you that one at all.

          • Adam

            Making a whole lot of assumptions here.

          • Maggie

            Surely you must have noticed by now that Kelly is quite capable of CHANGING his play calling to somewhat match the players’ talents. Even if they are not ‘runner arounders”?

    • knighn

      What is with this level-headeness BS? You must make your proclamation now! Either Foles will get his bust in the HOF with his Jersey or he will be the Suckiest Suck to ever Suck! Which is it?!
      Make up your mind already! There is no room for patient evaluation as an Eagles fan!

      • Adam

        If you need a paragraph to explain your joke it loses it’s humor ;)

        • knighn

          You are correct, my fellow Eagles fan from the Northern Land! I have corrected my egregious error!

      • Maggie

        Wow! Just what BBaaS said and she was ripped by the great teacher Colton! Of course, she appears to be female so she doesn’t count to some people. And I do admire irony or satire. As long as someone else is the target, lol!

        • knighn

          To be fair: I don’t think BBaaS gets ripped because she’s a female. She gets ripped because she is part of a small group here who has continuously minimized the accomplishments of Foles since she preferred to watch Vick. There is no sexism involved there. She probably receives far less criticism than #7 or Dutch (per number of posts).

  • nicksaenz1
    • evanphilly

      haha…wonderful!

    • knighn

      Awesome. Thank you much!
      I must bring you this from ESPN’s Power Rankings http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings
      “Chip Kelly says the Eagles’ starting quarterback is still based on health. Maybe an eighth touchdown pass would have clinched the starting job for Nick Foles.”
      “More fun stats with Jacksonville: The Jags have produced seven touchdowns this season, as many as the Chiefs’ defense and special teams, or as many as 40:26 of Nick Foles on Sunday.”

    • Andy124

      OMFG that was great. Big Ben was my favorite.

      Only problem was that there’s no way he figures out that 4 yards is half of 24 feet.

      • nicksaenz1

        “Are you new? I’m PEYTON GODDAMN MANNING! Football only exists because I allow it to.”
        Classic.

        • Andy124

          Yeah, but he’s playing in the NFL, aka, Nick Foles’ League.

          • nicksaenz1

            Love it. And stealing it.

          • Richard Colton

            Sportscenter is going to start stealing your stuff

          • Andy124

            I don’t know if I should be flattered or insulted.

          • Richard Colton

            in my experience the two are not mutually exclusive

  • GEAGLE

    Nick the RAIN MAKER!!!

  • addicted2mula

    If Foles plays his best football the remaining of the season and Eagles makes playoffs show that he can a franchise QB. Do Eagles still draft a Qb?

    • Andy124

      Maybe if it’s a good value. But they don’t spend a high draft pick on one.

    • anon

      Only if they can move MB. Can’t have 4 on the roster regular season and i’d take Vick over MB any day of the week. Vick could be the perfect backup. Fully healthy Vick can run the system looks great. He’d likely do well in spot games if Foles gets injured.

      • RIP illa

        Agreed. Never thought I could dislike the Barkely pick more than at the time he was picked…but I do.

      • addicted2mula

        CK should do what Buddy did with Randall put him in with 3rd and short. Read option or QB run. Doubt he will to risk his bacc up being Injured

        • Andy124

          No.

      • Token

        Vick is gone. Time to start dealing with that. Hes gone regardless of what happens from here.

        • Richard Colton

          probably. I won’t say for certain because I was 100% sure he’d be gone this year and I was dead wrong. Have to admire the classy/professional way he’s handled what could have been an ugly year, don’t you?

      • Johnny Domino

        Just need Mark to have a “Matt Flynn game” first to drive up the market. How about week 17 after they clinch the division?

  • Weapon Y

    To Mike Foss: When a QB throws for 7 TDs in one game, chances are he’s a pretty damn good fit in the offensive scheme. It really shouldn’t be surprising that Chip and Foles can do so well together. Foles executed a fast-paced spread offense at Arizona which had notable overlap with Oregon’s offense. Granted there were some schematic differences, but Chip is adjusting his own scheme to tailor it to Foles. With Foles at QB, Chip’s offense will begin to look a lot like Arizona’s. And it will be deadly.

    • anon

      Yeah looking at the game against Oregon it seems like foles has been in this scheme for years and his football IQ probably allows him to see it better. Working on his accuracy and deep balls are huge.

  • Scott J

    The problem with Vick is he only wants to play with McCoy and Jackson. Vick hardly ever throws to Cooper or the TE’s. Foles spreads the ball around and gets everyone involved.

    • anon

      McCoy / Jackson / Celek (though less this year but generally he’s given Celek a lot of work). But agree Cooper and Ertz look better w/ Foles.

      • cliff henny

        wonder if heigth, throwing angle helps. vick is 6′ and throws 3/4, while foles is 6’6 and over top…might just come out from behind the line easier to read, and foles sees them earlier. and with vick’s arm, he can throw some seads into tight coverage which TEs should catch, but are more difficult.

    • RIP illa

      Vick throws to the TEs just as much. Whether they drop or catch is another thing. You are right that he doesn’t throw to Coop as much. And the onus is on Vick for that, but watching Coop trying to get off press man, in particular while Vick is the QB, can be frustrating as a fan. Whatever “magic” he and Foles have is good enough for me tho. It’s not just that Foles throws to him more, but Coop is open more and gets off the line more (for whatever the reason). Either way hope they keep it up.

      • Adam

        It has nothing to do with Coop getting “open more” when Foles is in the game, it’s that Foles is willing to throw to Cooper when he’s not open and let him make plays on the ball. Not something Vick did often.

        • RIP illa

          “It’s not just that Foles throws to Coop more…”
          Think I pretty much covered that! Also guess that Coop getting behind coverage, by beating his man off the line and during his route, deep didn’t happen in the Tampa and Oakland game and doesn’t qualify as him getting open!

          • Adam

            I have zero clue you’re trying to say here, but OK.

          • RIP illa

            I know. Reading comp/writing comp can be hard at times. Your issue w/ what I said was that It’s all about Foles’s willingness to throw to Coop and had nothing to do w/ him getting open more and that Vick does not throw to him and let him make a play on the ball.
            I had already included this in my reply to Scott J. by saying…in reference to The Vick point, “You are right that he doesn’t throw to Coop as much. And the onus is on Vick for that…. I think that would fall under your category of “Not something Vick did often”!!!

            By me also including the statement, “It’s not just that Foles throws to Coop more…” in my reply to Scott J., covers “Foles willingness” to throw to Coop. It does not it does not exclude the fact that Foles throws to him when he’s not open!!!

            If you haven’t noticed the space and separation that Coop had on his defenders in the Tampa and OAK game as opposed to almost every other game this season, then you probably need to pay closer attention to games. I was not attributing that fact, to anything other than it simply being a noticeable difference! Not trying to steal Your boy Foles’s thunder. Yet it still remains a fact, and probably for varying reasons. Either way, Coop has been running open more in Foles’s 2 best games than he has in any other games this season. Once again, this does not exclude that Foles throws to him when he’s not open also!!!

            In trying to keep it simple, I didn’t think I needed to go into drastic detail to show that my thoughts were not mutually exclusive. Obviously I should have!!!

          • Adam

            Haha, all you did was try and say that Cooper played better/harder when Foles was in the game than when Vick played. It’s not hard to figure that out.

            Just another attempt from Vick lovers to not absolve Vick on any and all blame.

            There’s no varying reason. Varying reason is Foles see the filed better and distributes the ball better. He allows Cooper to use his size to make plays. That’s the reason.

          • RIP illa

            Are all canadian’s unforgivable douches or just you??? Completely rhetorical as i already lnow the answer!

            I gave Foles all the praise in the world for is OAK performance in the in-game thread and after. As far as I’m concerned Vick’s time in Philly is at an end and Foles needs to keep playing well, hopefully, so we don’t have to use a 1st rd pick on a QB and can actually start to build a team w/ talent and upgrade much needed positions!!! Coop sucking at times and not able to get off man coverage is on Coop. Just as Vick not being able to connect w/ him on a better basis is on Vick. Plus avick still had other receivers to go to. And as far as I’m concerned he didn’t do that on a regular basis nor effective enough!

            It’s totally Vicks fault that he earned the job and then finally lost it to Foles. And about time that Foles stepped up and earned it himself by ballin out! That’s sh!t’s dead to me now and has been since Sunday! Now Foles just has to prove that he’s the “future” and doesn’t have to worry about beating anyone out and, quite frankly, doesn’t have to look over his shoulder..IMO.

            Soooo, I get that you mistook my reply to Scott J., mainly because you’re dim. I also get that I had to hold your hand and walk you through it, and I also get that you couldn’t except nor man up amd admit that you misunderstood, as I admitted that I could have been clearer. Now you just say some unintelligent, lame, crap instead!!! Got it!!! You’re F’n pathetic kid. I think everybody has put the so called “QB controversy” to rest except you and BBS. So sad…lame!!!

          • Adam

            Did I hurt your feelings? Tell me how you really feel.

          • RIP illa

            Like I said before. You say something stupid and misguided and instead of manning up and admitting your error…you just double down w/ some more BS. Thanx For backing up my point. SMH! So sad!!!

          • Adam

            I man up and admit errors when I make errors. There was nothing wrong about what I said.

          • Andy124

            Kumbaya b****es.

          • RIP illa

            Hope that B****es was in you Dave Chappelle’s Rick James voice!!! :-)

          • Andy124

            I was thinking more Bruce Willis, but same idea. Butting out now.

          • RIP illa

            And in stead of saying that Vick not being able to connect w/ him is on Vick…I should have said have more of a connection! Meaning trust and a better on field repoire. I know…I gotta be explicitly clear w/ you and spell out every single thing so you can comprehend.

          • Maggie

            Being Canadian myself, I just thought I should point out that “douche” is actually a French word which means “shower”. Comes from the same root word as “douse”, which means simply getting soaked with water. I believe you were using the term “douche” as a short form for “douchebag”, however, so I will just remind you that a douchebag goes in a place which most males spend much of their lives trying to access!

          • RIP illa

            Sincerely, thank you for the word/history knowledge.

  • Adam

    All Foles needs to do now is play well consistently. Doesn’t need to be 7 a game. 2-3 will work just fine.

  • Andy124

    Anybody have easy access to Nick’s redzone % on the season is now?

    Also, too much optimism here. I felt like we were underdogs against Oakland and that went well. This has to be a come back to earth game. Even with the injuries GB has, I feel like we have to be underdogs again.

    • Adam

      Don’t have percentage but rating in RZ is 119.2, second only to Peyton.

      • Andy124

        Ok, so it looks like he was 4/7 for 57% after the TB game. That’s pretty stellar. I think he went 0/1 in the redzone against Dallas, and was 4-4 against Oakland. So he should be at 8/12 now, which is 66.6% and completely amazing.

        That may include a garbage time score against Denver, so if you want to be anal about it, you could say he’s only 7/11 and a measly 63.6%

        • Mike B

          So if I get to say what counts and what doesn’t, then Nick is 0/4 which is 0%. Right?

          • Andy124

            Well, if you can make a case for that please entertain us with it.

            Am I doing some picking and choosing of what counts that you think is unjustified? I presented the smaple both with and without the garbage time TD so that others could pick and choose which they prefer, and either way looks pretty impressive for Mr. Foles.

        • BlindChow

          One of those TB red zone possessions was a run-out-the-clock-and-kick-a-FG drive at the end of the game.

          • Andy124

            That’s right. So he’s actually been even better. Jesus Mary and Joseph…

    • cliff henny

      really nice seeing 7′s instead of 3′s getting posted. wasnt the early season rungame, but just showing willingness and capability makes a huge difference.

    • theycallmerob

      he’s the ultimate “nobody-believes-in-me!” warrior

  • cliff henny

    McCoy wont be labeled a system back, guy’s been awesome for years…Foles is the the one that’ll get that label if he puts up a Tampa or better performance in GB. A, might be true, B, who cares and C, fantastic…hope he is, just means system is that great still with less than desirable pieces

    • theycallmerob

      cooper=system wr? is the system a white qb? …..zing

  • Token

    “We’ve played so long here and done some great things as well. ” Like what?

    • cliff henny

      sure they speaking yrs in league/gametime experience, which is certainly true.

    • knighn

      Token changed his posting so I’m changing mine, too!
      Nah nah nah nah nah nah!

    • EaglePete

      my thoughts exactly when I read that, not very lofty goals if you already think “great things” have happened. A bit tongue in cheek Im sure to be fair.

  • MugzyPayton

    McCoy and Desean need to just shut their yaps. They’ve both done nothing significant in the NFL. They both have no playoff wins.

    Desean especially. He’s a front-runner. He’s never going to make that tough catch on 3rd & 7.

    • Andy124

      Yes because this:
      Reporter – “What are you seeing out of Nick Foles this year?”
      (LD)eSean – “No comment”
      would go over MUCH better.

    • Brian

      Yeah! He only likes 3rd and 16! Hate’m for that…

  • Brian

    Why is there so much trepidation when it comes to believing in Nick Foles’ abilities? In my humble opinion, we’ve been burned so many times by the backup (next great thing).

    http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/nick-foles-avoiding-interceptions-record-pace

  • BrickSquadMonopoly

    Evan Mathis best guard in the game idkkkkk