Notes: On Ertz, ‘D’ and Foles’ Secret Weapons

ertz_940_100713Leading up to the Oakland game, Zach Ertz didn’t hide the fact that this trip meant something to him. He grew up  in nearby Danville, CA and played his college ball at Stanford. It was his first time back in the Bay Area since he left for training camp in late July. Got tickets for about 20 friends and family members to watch him play.

You could tell that he was smelling the end zone when he caught a short pass from Nick Foles over the middle midway through the opening quarter. Ertz lowered his shoulder and barreled ahead. Ultimately he was stopped at the 2-yard line.

“Coach Kelly preaches don’t reach for the goal line so I didn’t want to reach, have something bad happen and then not play again, so I just kind of tucked it in there. And I want to get Brent [Celek] a touchdown, anyway,” he said.


Celek scored on the very next play. Ertz's patience paid off. Foles went back to the rookie later in the half for a 15-yard touchdown -- Ertz's first in the NFL.

"I was hoping [that first touchdown would come]," he said. "Every game I kind of hope, but scoring here was really special."

Ertz played 59 percent of the snaps as the Eagles deployed their 12 personnel a good bit. He finished with a career-high five receptions for 42 yards and the score.

Setting the pace

The Raiders' defense came in ranked 12th in points per game and 13th in yards per play. Not awful. How did Foles make them look so bad?

A lot of it you have to chalk up to Foles just having an outstanding day. He was dialed in. But he also had two things working in his favor -- tempo and protection. And they're both connected.

"They had a lot of stuff on tape -- a lot of blitz packages -- and they didn't bring a ton of it [Sunday]," said Evan Mathis. "I think you have to credit the tempo. When you have a tempo offense, sometimes you don't give people time to run an exotic package."

"We couldn't match their tempo," Raiders corner Tracy Porter conceded. "They played an up-tempo type of game and we weren't able to match that."

Up-tempo is nothing new for this offense, but the blocking didn't always live up to expectation over the first half of the season. This was probably the offensive line's most complete performance of the year. Lane Johnson, who took aim at Pro Football Focus last week for grading him harshly, rated out as the best of the five linemen, per PFF. Only Todd Herremans did not receive a positive grade.

"I thought they did a great job in protection and [Foles] did a nice job on a couple plays of being able to move around and buy some time," said Raiders coach Dennis Allen. "We tried some 5-man pressure. We tried some 4-man pressure. We tried some max-drop and really, at the end of the day, none of it worked."

Mathis was asked if the O-line, given the rocky performance Foles was coming off of, was even more inspired to keep the QB clean.

"We bust our ass to win every single play. That's what we wanted to do. That's what we try to do anyway no matter what the situation is -- we want to win in pass pro and give him as much time as possible, no matter who is back there."

The forgotten unit

Foles' monster day overshadowed another steady outing for the Eagles' defense. True they yielded 560 yards, but more importantly held the Raiders to 20 points. Billy Davis' unit has limited each of the Eagles' last five opponents to 21 points or less. Over that span, opponents are scoring 18.6 points per game.

"It's a tribute to us just working hard and continuing to stay after it, continuing to get better in communication, continuing to play with relentless effort out there each and every play," said Cary Williams. "Just wanting to do it and wanting to get better as individuals. The more we become used to Billy's system the better we become."

"It's fun to see [the offense] back rolling and our defense is playing well. Now it's starting to come together collectively," added DeMeco Ryans. "That's the kind of effort we want from the offensive and defensive side of the ball."

Eagles sign Marsh

The Eagles re-signed cornerback Curtis Marsh Tuesday. The former third round pick suffered a wrist injury in the presesason and was waived/injured on Sept. 1. He briefly joined the Bengals before being released.

The Eagles had a vacant roster spot after trading Isaac Sopoaga to the Patriots.

  • Will

    Nice catch from Foles doesn’t get any easier than that….wide open in the end zone…

    • BlindChow

      True fact: touching Zach Ertz causes you to levitate.

      • Richard Colton

        its that Stanford education. they all think they walk on water.

      • nicksaenz1

        You’re on fire today.

    • DirtyWaters

      Is Cooper yelling something inappropriate?

      • BlindChow

        No, everyone in the picture has a Riley-approved skin tone.

        • Brandon Boykin, OLB

          I laughed out loud.

      • G_WallyHunter

        you know what baffles me, the fact that with this whole Incognito incident, they barely touch on the racism (reports I’ve seen anyways), but instead the bullying and hazing, isn’t that ridiculous?

        Incognito makes many racist remarks and does it numerous times to a teammate, sober, oh what a terrible case of rookie hazing..

        Cooper makes a remark, that granted was terrible, but he was drunk at a country concert, not sober leaving malicious voicemails and texts numerous times, and look at the heat he took. They hardly talk about the racism with Incognito.. focus on the bullying and inappropriate hazing..

        • DirtyWaters

          In his defense, he only called him a half-(expletive).

          • G_WallyHunter

            Very true, only half as bad

        • theycallmerob

          I disagree; some of the talking heads I heard yesterday were saying that the NFLPA and league got involved specifically after those messages came to light; hazing goes on in every locker room. That was some deep-rooted racist hate, over the course of months. And Cooper doesn’t have the rap sheet of Incognito.
          Lastly, the locker room reaction to it all was far different. We seem to have a more close knit locker room; many came to Cooper’s defense quickly. Had all TC to get past it, opposed to the glaring spotlight of the regular season.
          *Granted, Cooper’s actions weren’t directed at a teammate

          • G_WallyHunter

            I was probably talking to soon before seeing more reports, you’ve seen more. I’m happy about that then, he needs to get the same treatment Cooper got. Like u said, difference is his career is likely done because of how much worse it was than Riley’s incident and because of his track record.

            I got a $50 bet with my buddy who’s a die hard dolphins fan that Eagles finish with a better record than the fins, this is looking GREAT now.

          • Richard Colton

            Fins lost 40% of their offensive line in the space of a week neither to injury. Just weird.

            Speaking of injury, here’s an insult to one – how does that move to jump ahead of the Eagles to tale a rotational OLB leaving us with a stud OT look now? Think they’d like a do over?

          • BlindChow

            Hey, maybe we can swap 2013 first round picks!

          • G_WallyHunter

            HAHAHA, just another great move by Fireland.

            Oh we just lost our 2008 1st round pick to FA?
            There are 3 stud OLs at the start of draft?

            Screw it let’s grab an OLB

            He is DEFINITELY getting fired this year.
            Guy goes out and gives Mike Wallace $30 million guaranteed, how stupid is that lol.

          • BlindChow

            “An OLB that doesn’t fit our scheme!”

          • G_WallyHunter

            They better get those FIRELAND signs back out in south beach

          • NJDIII

            Don’t forget DJ Fluker who is playing awesome right now for chargers. 4 top tier tackles and they pick a 3-4 linebacker for a 4-3 scheme baffling…I wonder who eagles would of taken if dolphins took Johnson

          • G_WallyHunter

            Yeah, who knows, when dolphins traded up I thought they were going Johnson FOR SURE, was just thinking “oh crap, what will Eagles do now?”

            HAHA was I mistaken

          • Andy124

            They hinted pretty strongly that Jordan would have been the pick.

          • theycallmerob

            apples and oranges….Fluker could not play in this offense. SD’s style covers for his lack of athleticism

        • EaglePete

          just found this, wont help his cause but dude deserves everything coming his way.

          http://deadspin.com/shirtless-richie-incognito-drops-an-n-bomb-and-acts-lik-1458436867

          • G_WallyHunter

            I think I heard it on the radio this morning, he should be done lol, I feel bad for Philbin

          • Max Lightfoot

            Where are those rhinoceros dart guns when you need them?

  • Adam

    Man, I still can’t get over that Oakland got 560 yards but only 20 points. I’ve never seen a more empty 560 yards.

    Bend but not break defense, keep it up.

    • najascutellatus

      200 of the yards came during fourth quarter garbage time with the Eagles second and third string defenses in. The Eagles D did a lot better than that 560 yard stat shows.

    • sprawl

      Math Fun:
      At the raiders points-per-yard rate they would’ve needed 1372 yards of offense to tie the game up at 49

    • Justin

      Another thing that got lost in this game: It was more proof that nmber of plays run and time of possession doesn’t matter. I doubt any “experts” picked up on that, though.

      • G_WallyHunter

        what, and go against their ignorance? Never!

  • BlindChow

    I like the use of 2 Tight End sets. I wonder if it was just coincidence, or if Kelly planned from the start to use a different set of formations for the 2nd half of the year.

    • theycallmerob

      I think it was a PC question, don’t remember which blog/writer reported it, but he said something to the effect of using it to exploit OAKs dime defense. One of their conclusions from the film.
      OAK did have one of the better front7/weaker secondary combinations we’ve seen all year. Plays to Chip’s desire for exploiting matchups

      • BlindChow

        Weird that they thought Oakland would use their dime offense against our 2 Tight End set, though. Wasn’t the reason we kept using 3 wide receivers was to force teams to use more DB’s?

        • theycallmerob

          I think with OAK, it’s simply a matter of playing to their personnel strengths. Compared to their defensive talent cupboards, we look great.

  • theycallmerob

    With GBs secondary back at full health, but a weakened LB crew, I hope we see more of the 12 personnel. Our TEs are definitely playing better, and it may keep those S a little further from shady

    • cliff henny

      not sure about that. GB defense is basically Raji, Jolly and pickett, probably north of 1100lbs combined, shoving/clogging middle. as soon as the bears spread them out, was alot easier.

      • theycallmerob

        Yes, but are Shields and Burnett back now? Or was it Tramon who was injured? either way, they’re down like 4 LBs; it’s like the DAL line.

        • cliff henny

          tramon’s play has fallen off cliff. not sure what’s his issue, but GB blog over at sbnation, he’s their No-D. burnett played last night.
          .
          GB defense has serious issues. Rodgers basically covered so many holes, it’s ridiculous. i’d think the only way Eagles offense struggles is if those 3 monsters dominate. like 11 or 12 personel, but spread those fat boys out, make them run, and go as fast as possible.

          • GEAGLE

            Datone jones is a monster

          • cliff henny

            yeah, freak athlete. was he in on 1st and 2nd downs? felt like he came in on sub packages, which GB does a ton of. think GB is the perfect team to go hurry up against. no subs, ever. Raji seems to be in decent shape for his size, but the other two are just huge masses. really looks like a d-line that can be run into the ground with pace. and we’ve seen what foles and kelly can do with time

          • GEAGLE

            Not sure about last night…but in the past weeks I remember seeing him and it stuck out because like you I expected him to be a sub package guy as a rookie. Kyle Long had a probowl style game in run blocking..ATleast in the first half(that’s when I was keying in on him, and he made some key blocks on those goal line TDs…Add him to my list of guys that I. Pray don’t sign contract extensions with the teams that drafted them:
            1) Dion
            2) Kiko
            3) Long

            With Kiko and long having so much success so early, I like that Chip had a first hand view of college prospects who were really NFL ready

      • UncleCarm

        I don’t disagree, but Chip has lots of plays where the tight ends are lined up at wide receiver. I love that double stack play, but they haven’t used it much since preseason.

  • cliff henny

    on Herrmann’s, what the next level after ‘concerned’? GB, without Matthews, is put mega mass in middle and steamroll pocket. hope he holds up.

    • Will

      Herremans keeps playing sub par…at what point do you bench him and put in Barbre at Guard…or…Guard Incognito should be available soon….

      • Andy124

        I wouldn’t touch Incognito with somebody else’s 10-foot pole.

        • Will

          Sarcasm incognito….

          • Andy124

            It was clear. I was just adding on.

        • jabostick

          He could go to the same rehab Cooper went to. Fixed him in only a couple of days

        • cliff henny

          listening to ex GM from rams on espn, said the guy has been mentally unhinged since day 1. would get in fights, not c-wills type, but try and hurt his own teammate fights in camp. guy is a ticking time bomb. and, he’s not really any good

          • nicksaenz1

            wasn’t he pro bowl last year?

        • Byter

          Can you image Incognito and Cary Williams on the same team? That’s a brawl waiting to happen!

      • Adam

        With the money their paying Herremans, he’d have to become a complete liability for them to bench. He’s not playing great, but he’s not that bad yet.

  • cliff henny

    this was a tough week for Howie haters. i do enjoy ripping the guy, must be a pre-school class we all take or some recessive gene phillyfans have, just seems to be in our blood. last 2 drafts are looking like a strong foundation.

    • GEAGLE

      GM is only as good as his personel department…this was the first draft with gamble and new scouts, so there is no point in talking about anything Howie has done prior to this draft and this free agent class…and he did as good a job as anyone could realistically ask for last summer…we drafted 4 starters, Lane!Ertz,Logan,Wolff…who knows how Krugz develops…we changed two CBs and an OLB…..if you are able to get 7 quality starters who get better every week in one offseason, it’s safe to say you did a damn good job, especially considering you didn’t sign big names

      • cliff henny

        keep forgetting about kruger…they have him d-end or olb? then again, that ‘if he came out next yr, he’d be a 2nd rounder’ could be coming from same scout that had poyer as 2nd.
        .

        • nicksaenz1

          Feel like he kept getting pegged as a potential 5-tech, but don’t quote me. Would love to see if he could be a rush OLB.

        • GEAGLE

          I think they will try him on the Dline and compete with Gaethers and square for a roster spot…I was a big Star Lotulelei fan so I watched Kruger play a lot. I don’t know if he would be a second rounder this year, but I can’t envision him making it past the 5th…and if he is an Earl Wolff type of 5th rounder, he will be a welcome addition and a damn good draft pick considering how late we got him..
          ..
          My fav part about Krugs was when Utah would get their opponents pinned deep in their own ENDZONE, Kruger would almost always play like a man possessed and wreak havoc…

          • cliff henny

            well, philly is about due to get the correct brother!

          • Andy124

            Yeah, I can think of at least 5 times we got the wrong brother… Casey, Koy, Ty, Stacy and Shawn

          • Richard Colton

            Mark Leiter, Vince Dimaggio…the list is long and undistinguished

          • cliff henny

            dont forget baseball…endless wrong brothers over there

          • Andy124

            Yeah, hadn’t thought about other sports. Didn’t we have the wrong Canseco for a year?

            Really was just joking on there not being any “right” DetmerAndrews brother.

          • nicksaenz1

            In the Detmer’s case, was there a correct brother?

          • Andy124

            lol. Read my response to Cliff.

          • Richard Colton

            if we’re talking football, no. Neckbeards? I think we all know.

      • Tom w

        Well said. I’m praying chip, the navy seal coach, and the weight room coach have Krueger locked in the weight room w ith jj watt tapes on repeat and unleash him next yr. kid is only 20 and projected to a third rounder if he stayed in.

        Sheil/Tim. Can we get a story on what Krueger has been up too and his daily regimen and weight and what the team wants from him for next yr.

      • pocketpasser

        I agree Geagle. Another positive is it usually takes 3 years to get an idea how good a draft was. With 4 players out of last years draft contributing the way they are it looks like a good year already.

  • SunShine

    ““Coach Kelly preaches don’t reach for the goal line”
    I agree with this soo much. Just can’t stand when players leave the ball out there just waiting for someone to punch it out or lose it in the endzone. Save the final inches for another play.

  • JofreyRice

    And PFF’s ratings pass the eyeball test. Johnson was better. Herremans still has a rough time in pass pro.

  • GEAGLE

    RE Defense:
    ..
    First four games we gave up an average of 34pts and forced 5 TOs..last 5 games, we gave up 18pts a game and forced 10TO’s..Considering we had 13 all of last season, it’s safe to say we are on the right track..
    ..
    Yards defenses give up is a joke of a stat in today’s NFL..stats that matter:
    1) how many points do you give up
    2) how many turnovers do you come up with
    3) Are you getting off the field on 3rd down?
    4) QBR of the opposing QB
    All he other stats are nonsense…and when you look at our stats in those categories, and you compare them to last season, then you can’t grade Howie and Billy’s work anything lower then an A.

    • GEAGLE

      As for the Oakland game:
      ..
      1) Nate Allen made my favorite play of his Eagles career. he has never shown more heart then holding on for dear life until his help arrived saving that TD. we went on to hold them to a FG on that drive..other then a few problems with miscalculating Angles, Nate deserves praise for Sunday

      2) Watch Thornton on the first drive…he was practically dominant. Cox continues to play good ball and improve. An hour ago Bily went out of his he way to praise the two gap improvements of Vinny and his play in the Raiders game(I’m gonna go back and watch his snaps)..this team is built to play with a lead. When the offense is successful, Currys value increases.

      3) I took Cole to task all year but the man played a fantastic game notching his firs sack since Dec 13 2012. And he was pressuring Pryor all game and continuing his stout run defense.
      ….
      4) Glad everyone is realizing what a stud we have in BRAMA bull Barwin!! The guy is still young, and hasn’t even played his best ball yet, but already he consistently shows up every week for us. Once you put a double digit sack guy opposite him, you will really see his value.

      5) Earl Wolff continues to improve in every facet of the position. He blitzed well tippin a ball on one play, and forcing Pryor to rush a bad throw on another. Sound in coverage for the most part, tackled WR. And RB well
      ..
      6) people didn’t factor in the transition Mykal and Meco have had to make. You can tell that they are really getting comfortable as of late and starting to play some really nice ball. 21 combine tackles from your ILBs is always good money. Mykal did a really solid job spying a freak athlete regardless what the stat sheet says..

      • nicksaenz1

        I feel like people got on Kendricks a little too much about the job he did spying Pryor. Could he have done better, sure. But he did nearly all one could to keep him contained.

        • GEAGLE

          Yeah I think he did a much better job than people realize considering how dangerous that guy is….I would rather spy Kapernick, Wilson. RG3(post injury) then have to spy Pryor or Cam

        • Adam

          Agreed. A few of the plays Pryor got loose on were when Kendricks was blitzing.

    • cliff henny

      5) red zone percentages…goes along with #1. best way to play in today’s NFL, pressure qb into mistakes, tackle recrs to limit YAC and earn yardage thru 10-12 play drives, and tighten up in redzone-force fgs. then, have your qb toss 7 freakin’ tds!

      • GEAGLE

        Yes sir..JJ was ahead of his time. bend but dont break, once your back is against the wall, Blitz the house…EVen tho we are a two gap 34, you can tell that Billy is trying to bring some JJ flavor back….but he won’t be able to start bringing the house in the redzone until he really gets comforable with his big CBs, they develope and earn his trust……Sunday we were treated to a taste of what we look like when the offense and the defense show up in the same game…nice to see ST join the party as well, other than Kurt’s boneheaded running into the kicker…we had to force them to put twice on the opening drive

        • cliff henny

          sign byrd, draft van noy in 2nd or hubbard – was looking last night, 6 lbrs projected as 1st rounder, no way in hell 6 lbs go in round 1, someone is dropping. maybe sign another fletcher like corner. mike evans w/ 1st…it’s really not difficult to see a top 15 defense and top 5 offense next yr. all while adding nice depth thru draft at mlb if ryans restructure, late round guard, maybe. need to address slot too. love the kid campenello out of wake forest.
          .
          it is alot easier to picture after 7 freakin’ tds!

          • GEAGLE

            Yes sir..7TDs helps…if you have that type of greatness in you ONCE, then it’s in you….now the trick is growing to consistently be great..I don’t expect 7tds…but I see no reason why FOles can’t grow into a guy who consistently plays the way he did against Tampa…considering how all we have done is jerk his development around since he got here..there is NO way he should even be treating us to these awesome performances in his first 10 NFL games..I mean out of 10 games, he has like 4 REALLY REALLY stellar games.
            ..
            I’m expecting Van Noy,Vic,Mack n Barr to go round 1, but if one makes it out of the round he will get snatched up so quick at the start of round 2…Hubbard, the kid from Stanford, Shayzler (depending if you view him as OLB or ILB) I think have better chances of lasting til round two..just get me an OLB who will register ATleast 12 sacks per year..I don’t care where you find him, but I NEED him in my life lol..

            If it were up to me, I would probably go:
            Byrd in FA
            RD 1 OLB, if we have a good second half of the season we will still probably be in range to land Mack or Noy
            RD 2 WR
            RD 3 WR
            RD 4 DL
            RD 5 CB
            RD 5 TE
            Then take a few athletic developmental OLinemen
            ..
            I’m envisioning pass catching Corp like:
            Desean,Odell Beckham LSU, Allen Robinson PSU, Maclin,Cooper, Ertz,Casey…can’t figure out if Chip is going to upgrade Celek or value his blocking enough to keep him an extra year?

            I’m holding out hope that Coly Lyeria cocaine, and overall HEADCASE problems in the wake of Hernandez, Justin Blackmon, and teams fearing Josh Gordon being 1 mistake away..force teams to shy away from Lyeria and see him fall to like the 6th round, and Chip can take a chance on these problem child he recruited

          • cliff henny

            you know…i said those exact same greatness words to an Ex once!
            .
            yeah, TE, need a guy to replace Celek. lyoria has pissed enough people off, he might slide. think 2nd wr can be picked later. slot guy can be nabbed in 5th or 6th.
            .
            this point with qbs, long as kelly has his jesus like hands on him, bring back Jaws for all i care.

          • Richard Colton

            I can’t wait to see you work yourself into a frenzy over this come April

          • cliff henny

            nice site, easy to navigate, plus they include underclassmen who havent declared. they have him in 6th.

            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/TE
            .
            celek just isnt worth 4m, neither is casey. hope they move on from both guys. that’s 7m freed up. add in Benn’s 1m…just cleared money for byrd. never liked harbor, or carrier, but both can do exactly what casey is doing for 600k.

          • GEAGLE

            Cliff if we pick in the 11-15 range and our big board fell exactly the way that site is listing them, I would want:
            1) Evans
            2) Hubbard
            3) Brandon Coleman or donte moncreif
            ..
            But if we have a chance at OLB who is viewed as a top 10 prospect like Khalil Mack falling to us, I would want him over Evans

          • cliff henny

            yup. that’s what i’m seeing. 7-9 or 8-8, with strength of schedule should put them right at range. 6-5 225 4.5 40 wr w/ YAC and traffic hands and a monster of an olb from a football factory.
            .
            not familiar w/ coleman, assume he’s nothing like derek…rutgers is too painful to watch. moncreif is also a beast.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah I haven’t seen much Rutgers. Coleman is huge 6’5 TD machine, explosive off the line…I haven’t watched enough of him at all to talk about him at this point…Moncrief is certainly a beast….

            That site has Allen Robinson as an early rd 2/late round 1 prospect…I would love to see him fall to us..
            ..
            According to that site, if we went OLB in round 1, I would strongly consider Austin Seferian Jenkins if he is on the board in round 2…then again, if I can get Lyeria in round 5, I wouldn’t want Jenkins in rd 2

          • cliff henny

            robinson is good, but rather more physical recr opposite jax(i’m pretty sure they’ll extend him). jax needs to catch 5-10 yards hitches and press the coverage. he just isnt built for wr screnes. so rather have evans over sammy wadkins even, who reminds me alot of maclin, or donte runnig over cb on screnes.

          • GEAGLE

            The only players that we could draft in round 1 that would make me not flip out for passing on an OLB are:
            NT: Louis Nix
            DT: Shede Hanegmen
            WR: Evans,Sammy,Lee
            S: Hasean Clinton Dix
            ..
            I want our 12 plus sacks per year OLB in round 1, but I. Can live with drafting one of those 6 names

          • cliff henny

            1st/2nd has to be wr/olb or vice versa. d-line is fine, never against depth at either line in 5-7th. wrs and olb just dont get to free agency till after prime. i just cant even imagine mike evans opposite jax, maybe toss cooper a nicecontract bone to play 4th wr (wonder if he could play little slot, he has shown little YAC this yr) ertz continues to progress, toss you a bone and lyoria in 4th rd, w shady. mean, that’s a sick ass offense…for years!!!

          • GEAGLE

            Especially once we have a consistently accurate QB behind center

          • cliff henny

            next 7 games are just huge. record is really meaningless, it is all about Foles. certainly better he plays, record will be. still feel this team is game or 2 out of playoff team. which is great improvement. worst case now, dont feel like eagles have to sell farm for qb. if one falls into their lap, i wont mind.

          • Adam

            Nix wouldn’t make much sense. If they like Logan there then you wouldn’t spend a first on Nix. Would be hard to move Logan to DE with how well Cox and Thornton are playing and how young they are. We don’t need another 3rd round pick playing as a rotational guy haha.

            Evans reminds me VJax. Would really enjoy seeing him in Eagles Green.

          • GEAGLE

            We need 6 Dlinemen who will make up our eventual future top Defense..Right now we have:
            Cox,Thornton,Logan,Curry..4 Garentees.
            ideally every team wants to have two platoons for the Dline. There is room for improvement, and we only have 1 real NT on the roster. Nix isn’t someone I hope we go out and target! but if he is the BPA when we draft and we tAke him, I would be fine with it because he could transcend a promising line to a whole other level

          • Adam

            For sure. He’s a luxury but not a real need, at least not this year. We can get some depth at NT later in the draft if they go that route, but with us having a mid round pick I think we’ll have a lot of options especially if they decide they want to roll with Foles for a bit longer.

          • GEAGLE

            Yeah i agree. I really really also like Evans. Reminds me of a combo of Vjax and David Boston..
            ..
            I don’t think I will be as crazy this draft as I was last year because this is such a deep draft..Guys I view as top 5 prospects will still be on the board at number 12…plus their are multiple players I want at our positions of need…
            ..
            We can miss out on Barr and end up with Mack or Noy..Last year, if we missed out on Dion, I knew we wouldn’t get an OLB which is why I really wanted that kid???especially since I thought we could get long in rd 2…when long got drafted it was easier to deal with the loss of Dion. plus you can’t ever be that mad when your team picks the second guy on your wish list

      • Andy124

        Throw 7tds: The ultimate game plan. Chip has proven his genius. :)

        • cliff henny

          that’s it…so simple! hang half a hundge midway thru 3, and you and i could play safety

  • #7

    Foles jersey was sent to the HOF. That’s what’s up. Never imagined that would happen to him. Great job and was fun to watch

  • GEAGLE

    I heard something interesting…”if Nick FOles name was Matt Barkley we would all already be committed to him”..his brand doesn’t measure up to his play on the he field In Arizona and philly….if we saw a big name prospect who played how Nick has in his is first 10 games, the world would be committed to him by now..
    ….
    Interesting argument and I can’t say I disagree

    • cliff henny

      foles has physical limitations, arm stength still concerns me. like to see his arm on a crisp late nov, early dec day at the linc. mcnabb had a cannon, one reason why Eagles won so many late season games with him. he moved better, give him that, he should develope functional mobility.
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      issue is with physical limits, people look for a reason against. guy like luck, who can outrun lbrs and throw it thru a wall, all you need is a glimpse of why you should.

      • nicksaenz1

        Well, there’s a small sample size from last December. One was the Bengals debacle, where their D-line manhandled our second stringers and Foles got crushed and fumbled once or twice plus a pick. 50% completion for 180yds n a TD. The other was against the Redskins, when he threw 66% for 345 and a td in a loss. Not saying he was throwing bombs all game, but he was still able to deliver. Both of these games were mid/late Dec.

        • cliff henny

          maybe it’s not right, but i ignore ’12 stats. he showed enough to get a chance this yr, other than that, was just impressed he stayed alive. his arm does seem better this yr than last. brady somehow got his stronger, so there’s still hope. i’m rooting for the guy

          • nicksaenz1

            I was merely using the stats to show that he had the ability to make throws. Maybe it wasn’t the best correlation, but it’s all I had w/o going back to college days.

          • cliff henny

            sorry, wasnt trying to pooh-pooh your stats…which, like every other ’12 foles stats has 1 positive and 1 negative so both sides have fuel. we’ll get to see him in a typical NE dec day again this yr. that’s the issue with being labeled as ‘athletically limited’, always be another test. i really thought there was little he could do to get me off ’14 qb draft…we’ll, 7 tds was a hell of a start! he backs that up with couple tampa days, we might have something. ’14 draft is a lot more fun to think about when projecting something other than qb

      • GEAGLE

        His arm in December will be an important test…but if Chad Pennington can win January games in new work, even Brady in NE..If FOles becomes good enough, he will be able to overcome the lack of cannon…just look at how much FOles has improved on his arm since last year. humble Nick! doesn’t strike me as the type to become content and start spending his nights making it rain in strip clubs. he won’t rest on the laurels of his physical ability..the kid is never going to stop working, especially after the way he has been treated. One time or another I have seen him make every throw we need him to make…and I’m banking on his work ethic getting him to the point that he consistently makes the throws we need him to make.
        ….
        Thru game experience it will become more difficult for DC’s to trick him as his recognition and ability to analyze a defense pre snap improves…If he is getting that game experience then it means he will be getting practice reps which means his grasp of the playbook will improve….so we will end up with a QB who is better at knowing what defenses are going to do and how to use our playbook to exploit what they are going to do..

        If he is able to do what he did to the giants, Tampa and Oakland in his first 10 NFL games, playing in an offense he learned 6 months ago, then I’m dying to see who he becomes when he has another 10 games of experience under his belt, an offseason tailored around him being the man, sorrounded by an improved roster and supporting cast…From what he has shown, I think it’s worth finding out..

        • cliff henny

          Foles, graham and Barwin should hire you as their PR rep…almost have me sold…but, yeah, i’m 100% down for finding out what we have over next 2 months.

          • Richard Colton

            John has a lot of work to do, I’ve just about given up on Graham

          • cliff henny

            yup. i have him riding pine till contract is over next year. wonder if they’ll try and move him, maybe get a pick at least. can take some dead money hit next yr

          • GEAGLE

            I haven’t been preaching about Graham other then should be getting more snaps

        • Andy124

          Can you imagine Foles in his 3rd year in this system? Holy crap.
          1) That means he’s played well enough to be the man for 3 years which is exciting in and of itself.
          2) Chip never had a guy start for more than 2 years at Oregon. Just think of the carnage they could sow.
          3) A roster fully Chippersized to go with the expected improvements from young players.

          What a gorgeous dream. It could happen.

          • cliff henny

            Geagle desk just raised up 4 inches!

          • Andy124

            That many? Now I’m jealous…