Zone Read: Eagles-Raiders, the Day After

NFL: Philadelphia Eagles at Oakland RaidersWhen addressing the media after his team just dropped 49 points against the Oakland Raiders, Chip Kelly wanted to make one thing clear: The offensive explosion was not the result of some magical play-calling elixir he had concocted in the wee hours of the morning at the NovaCare Complex.

Rather, it was something a lot more simple.

“We called a lot of plays that we’ve called the last two weeks,” Kelly said. “We just executed ‘em. I think that’s the biggest thing.”




The masses are searching for answers on the day after the Eagles earned their fourth victory of the season.

How can an offense that scored three points in two weeks all-of-a-sudden look unstoppable?

How can a quarterback who was a complete disaster two weeks ago come back and play the best game of his life?

Kelly's answers to such questions might not satisfy everyone, but they are honest. Against Dallas, the three-point output had nothing to do with his play-calling or the offensive line or the wide receivers' inability to get open against man coverage. Nick Foles had opportunities to make plays all day long. Sometimes, he failed to see the field and recognize the best option. And when he did identify open receivers, he was off-target with his throws.

The solution for coach and quarterback was not to enact wholesale changes, but instead to fix the mistakes, get back on the practice field and work towards better results.

"Everything that we called today we've had in before," Kelly said. "We didn't add anything."

And what about Foles? What about the tempo that had been missing in previous weeks?

"He put the ball on people," Kelly said. "I thought he was really, really good early on third down. We converted a lot on third-and-longs with some big plays to keep some drives going. And then the thing we talk about is trying to get that first first down, and then we get rolling. You gotta stay away from the threes-and-outs, and we did that. And once you get that first first down, then we can go."

Added Foles: "I slowed everything down. I understood what we were trying to do. I wasn't trying to make too big of plays.

"I missed a couple that I'll watch and I'll work on it and get that better. But just being accurate, really following through on throws. That's the big thing. Accuracy was key. The Cowboys game, I was not very accurate and I did not play well."

Against Oakland, Foles did not miss often. He threw more touchdowns (7) than incompletions (6). He did not turn the ball over. And he led the offense to the end zone on seven of the Eagles' first nine possessions. The final numbers: 22-for-28 for 406 yards, seven touchdowns and no interceptions.

Foles said he wasn't aware that he had tied the TD record until after Kelly took him out of the game in the fourth quarter. And he added that there was no "I'm in the zone" moment early on.

"There's been so many times when I've gone right down and scored a touchdown, and we won't score a touchdown [after that] for a little while and then you've just gotta keep going," Foles said. "It's one of those things you really never know. What happens when you do well is they're gonna adjust, so you've just gotta keep firing and be smart with it."

The coach-quarterback duo knows how the conversation changes in the NFL on a weekly basis. You can go from being labeled the league's biggest disappointment one week to an offensive juggernaut the next. There will be no lengthy philosophical search for answers about what exactly has happened the past couple of weeks. In Kelly's mind, it's all pretty simple.

"We weren't very good on offense," he said. "Coaches weren't good on offense. Players weren't good on offense for the last two weeks. And today, we were good. But we can't pat ourselves on the back and say, 'Hey we were good last week so it's gonna be a piece of cake this week.' We gotta do the same exact thing preparing against a really good Green Bay team."

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CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN...

1. What Damaris Johnson's role is on this team going forward?

Johnson was active Sunday, but didn't return punts or kicks because of an ankle injury.

DeSean Jackson took his place on punts and had a nice 32-yard return (although he was whistled for a facemask penalty). That's longer than any punt return Johnson's had this year.

Brandon Boykin handled kickoffs. He had a 41-yard return that could have gone the distance had he not tripped. Johnson's longest kickoff return this season has been 33 yards.

Johnson has two catches on the season and has not made the most of his opportunities as a returner. I understand not wanting Jackson to get injured, but it sure seems like switching things up on returns for the second half of the season could help this team win the field position battle more often.

2. Why FOX went with Pearl Jam's 'Better Man' as it got ready to open the second half?

The song was played as they showed first-half highlights before the third quarter. What an awkward viewing experience to hear "She lies and says she's in love with him..." as Jeff Maehl makes a 20-yard grab over the middle.

While we're at it, Curt Menefee's disclaimer before FOX showed a 'Sleepy Hollow' sneak peek killed me. "Parents, heads-up, this clip may be a bit spooky for some young viewers."

In other words, "All you 9-year-olds who are watching football with Mom and Dad, cover your eyes or you WILL have nightmares tonight!"

One last thing: Please, please, please stop showing viewers' Tweets on the screen during sporting events. I understand you want to find some way to incorporate social media, but try something else. @EaglesNation99 Tweeting "Ohhhh yeah! What a throw! #Foles4Life smh" doesn't really do much to add to the broadcast. Pretty sure I speak for everyone here.

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THE NO-22

The Eagles didn't need LeSean McCoy to do a lot on the ground, but he chipped in with a 25-yard touchdown in the third quarter.

The play was the result of a complete blown coverage by the Raiders. Pre-snap, you can see Oakland is in man-free. That's man coverage across the board with one deep safety who is out of the picture.

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McCoy is going to motion out wide to the right. The problem? No defender picks him up. Instead, Oakland blitzes with a six-man rush. They're one-on-one against four Eagles receivers with a deep safety, but nobody accounts for the fifth receiver - McCoy.

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Foles knows he's going to have an unblocked defender so he has to get rid of the ball quick. He makes a good throw that allows McCoy to make the catch in stride and run down the sideline.

By the way, Raiders safety Brandian Ross might hear about this one in the film room. He has a chance to knock McCoy out of bounds at around the 4-yard-line, but just swipes at him and lets him scamper into the end zone.

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McCoy faked like he was going to jump into the crowd before just dancing in the end zone. One Raiders fan didn't appreciate the gesture.

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I am never an advocate of flipping the bird, but even I can see that this is bad form. Gotta get that pinky down, big fella.

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THE NUMBER THAT MATTERS

14.5 - Foles' yards-per-attempt against the Raiders. According to Pro Football Reference, in the last 10 years, among quarterbacks who attempted at least 25 passes in a game, only two have had a higher number.

In 2009, Philip Rivers averaged 14.92 YPA in a 373-yard performance against the Cleveland Browns.

And you might have guessed the other one: Donovan McNabb averaged 14.65 YPA in the Eagles' 56-21 win over the Lions back in 2007. McNabb completed 21 of 26 passes for four touchdowns and no INTs in that game.

Raiders defenders had trouble staying on their feet, and Foles showed no hesitation in launching the ball downfield. The Eagles have 44 pass plays of 20+ yards on the season. That's tops in the NFL.

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GAME BALL OFFENSE: NICK FOLES

As much as I would like to go against the obvious choice and pick someone else, I just can't do it.

This is the third edition of the Zone Read. During the first two weeks, I enacted a rule that when the offense fails to score in double digits, nobody gets a game ball. This week, I'm enacting a different rule: When you tie the all-time record for touchdown passes in a game, you automatically win the award.

GAME BALL DEFENSE: TRENT COLE

The Eagles' veteran got his first sack of the season and did a good job of pressuring Terrelle Pryor throughout the first half. Cole finished with five tackles (four solo, one for loss), a sack and a QB hit.

It's been a tough season for No. 58. He's tried his best to adapt to the new scheme, played with great effort and never complained publicly. But he entered the game with no sacks and five hurries in eight games. I'm sure his teammates and coaches were happy to see him have success as a pass-rusher vs. Oakland.

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THAT'S WHAT HE SAID

"Only in a video game." - NICK FOLES

That was the QB's response when asked if he had ever thrown seven touchdowns at any level before Sunday.

Kelly said he was aware that Foles had tied the all-time record, but decided that the QB's health was more important than getting No. 8. Foles said he wasn't aware of the record until after he was pulled out of the game.

"I had no clue how many touchdowns I had thrown or anything," he said. "Every time I got the ball, just trying to execute that play, seeing what they were doing. In the NFL, no matter how many points are on the board, the other team is very, very talented and they can always come back. So once that buzzer goes off, that's when I knew we had a great game."

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FIVE RANDOM THOUGHTS

1. I think I probably made a mistake getting this far without acknowledging the Eagles' offensive line. The stat sheet shows Foles was sacked twice, but neither had anything to do with the protection. The first sack came on a packaged play. Either Foles failed to pull the trigger on a quick hitch to Cooper or Cooper was supposed to be setting up for a screen. Either way, Foles held the ball, tried to scramble and was sacked behind the line of scrimmage. The O-Linemen block run all the way on those plays. They're not in pass protection mode. The second sack came on a botched handoff between Foles and McCoy. Again, it had nothing to do with protection.

The offensive line has had ups and downs through nine games, but held up well against a Raiders team that had gotten 21 sacks from 14 different players. Jason Peters suffered a pec injury, but it is not believed to be serious. None of the Eagles' five offensive linemen has missed a start. If this unit can come together and find consistency in the second half of the season, it'll be huge for the passing game and the offense as a whole.

2. McCoy should be a happy man this morning. I know he only had 44 yards on 12 carries, but opponents may tweak how they defend the Eagles' offense going forward. For weeks, it's been the same thing: Defend the run, bottle up McCoy and make the quarterback move the ball through the air. Teams might still opt to go that route, but at least they'll have to think twice after what Foles put on tape against Oakland. That could present more opportunities for McCoy.

3. I think we're going to find out how far this defense has come Sunday afternoon against the Packers. There's no doubt that Billy Davis' unit has shown great improvement. The Eagles have allowed 18.6 points per game in their last five. No team since the Broncos (Week 4) has scored more than 21 points against the Birds.

Against Oakland, the Eagles weren't perfect, but with one minute left in the fourth quarter and the game in hand, they had allowed the Raiders to get into the end zone just once. The opponents during this stretch - the Giants twice, the Bucs, the Cowboys and the Raiders - have not been great. But you can only play who's on the schedule. Next week, the Eagles face a potent, balanced offense when they square off against Aaron Rodgers and company. No one's expecting a shutout. There's still a talent deficit on that side of the ball. But will the Eagles' performance resemble more of what we saw against Denver earlier in the season, or more of what we've seen in the past five weeks?

4. There's a bad habit that many analysts fall into that I can't stand. I call it: arguing against no one.

Here's how it works: You make a really passionate defense on one side of an argument and act like there are people who actually believe the other side. For example, you may hear something like this: "Please tell me again, when's the last time a running quarterback who couldn't pass won the Super Bowl?!"

The problem? NO ONE is arguing that passing is unimportant at the quarterback position. When guys like Colin Kaepernick have had success, it's been because they can pass and run.

This is a tough concept for some to grasp. Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

5. This camera shot in the fourth quarter with the Eagles up 49-13 cracked me up.

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What could the Eagles' QBs possibly have been talking about here? What's really on those sheets that QBs coach Bill Lazor is showing Foles and company?

"See, if you get the meal, you get fries and a drink. Otherwise, it's just the burger."

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SNAP COUNTS

The offense:

 
Total Snaps
Percentage Of Snaps
QUARTERBACKS
Nick Foles5186%
Matt Barkley814%
RUNNING BACKS
LeSean McCoy4576%
Bryce Brown1424%
WIDE RECEIVERS
DeSean Jackson4373%
Riley Cooper3661%
Jason Avant2949%
Jeff Maehl2136%
Damaris Johnson1525%
TIGHT ENDS
Brent Celek3966%
Zach Ertz3559%
James Casey1627%

The Eagles used a lot of '12' personnel with Zach Ertz playing 59 percent of the snaps and James Casey playing 27 percent. Kelly explained post-game that the Eagles thought they could get a matchup advantage there against the Raiders' dime personnel (six defensive backs).

Bryce Brown only played 14 snaps, but he touched the ball on eight of them and looked better than he has all year. Brown had seven carries for 54 yards and one grab for 6 yards.

Evan Mathis, Todd Herremans and Lane Johnson played every snap. Peters left with a pec injury and was replaced by Allen Barbre for 17 snaps. Julian Vandervelde filled in for Jason Kelce on eight plays down the stretch.

The defense:

 
Total Snaps
Percentage Of Snaps
DEFENSIVE LINE
Fletcher Cox5558%
Bennie Logan3941%
Cedric Thornton3840%
Clifton Geathers3436%
Vinny Curry3436%
Damion Square3133%
OUTSIDE LBs
Connor Barwin7983%
Trent Cole6771%
Brandon Graham2829%
Casey Matthews1617%
INSIDE LBs
DeMeco Ryans7579%
Mychal Kendricks7276%
Emmanuel Acho2324%
Najee Goode2021%
CORNERBACKS
Cary Williams7579%
Bradley Fletcher7579%
Brandon Boykin5457%
Roc Carmichael2021%
SAFETIES
Nate Allen6164%
Earl Wolff6063%
Patrick Chung5154%
Kurt Coleman2021%
Colt Anderson1819%

Bennie Logan got the start at nose tackle for Isaac Sopoaga, who was traded to the Patriots. Vinny Curry was active throughout and played a season-high 34 snaps.

At linebacker, it's worth noting that Emmanuel Acho was called on after Mychal Kendricks suffered an injury.

Patrick Chung returned to the lineup for the first time in three weeks and played 54 percent of the snaps, rotating in with Earl Wolff and Nate Allen.

The Eagles were able to get their backups in the game down the stretch.

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GUESSING THE LINE: PACKERS (-8.5)

Green Bay is an 11-point favorite tonight at home going up against a Bears team that doesn't have Jay Cutler.

The guess here is that the Eagles get a little more respect than that, considering they're coming off a 49-20 victory. I'll make the Packers 8.5-point favorites for Sunday's tilt at Lambeau.

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  • Scott J

    It was nice to see Nick make those big throws. He didn’t shy away from them and check down. He played with a chip on his shoulder. The kid has a pair.

    • Richard Colton

      replace “on” with “over” and I’m right there with you.

  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    Too bad Jake Knott is banged up, would have been his first chance at some significant snap counts and instead they went to Acho and Goode.

  • Andy124

    it’s been because they can throw and pass.
    Sheil, I’m guessing the word “run” was supposed to sneak in there somewhere.

    Good stuff. I hope we don’t forget how well the OL played amongst the blinding light of Foles’ glory.

  • BlindChow

    @EaglesNation99 Tweeting “Ohhhh yeah! What a throw! #Foles4Life smh”
    doesn’t really do much to add to the broadcast. Pretty sure I speak for everyone here.

    But I bet @EaglesNation99 was totally psyched!

  • Richard Colton

    4. There’s a bad habit that many analysts fall into that I can’t stand. I call it: arguing against no one.

    Also known as the “Strawman” – we see it a lot around here.

    • Andy124

      No, you’re wrong. You cannot prove that every single post ever made here is a strawman. Total BS Mr. Colton.

      • Richard Colton

        no “true Scottish Eagles fan” would ever make that statement.

        • Andy124

          I am not a commie!

        • Andy124

          Side bar: Is this a Dutch-ism? That sounded like a Dutchism.

          • Richard Colton

            https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com great website – “no true scotsman” is another common one.

          • theycallmerob

            this yeasting must stop!
            ….that site doesn’t cover made-up words, however. argument won.
            *drops mic*

  • Will

    Kudos to the O-Line, D-Line the whole Damn team for Execution, Execution, Execution….GB next can they do it again?

  • B-West

    Adding on to the Foles accuracy kudos, I thought the screen and swing passes were noticeably smoother. That window is pretty tight if you want to lead the receiver a little bit and get his momentum moving forward. Nice job by Foles there (and everywhere).

    • GEAGLE

      Omg that swing pass to shady was PERFECTION!!! It won’t get the credit because it’s a simple pass, but SOOO many QBs don’t throw that pass consistently well…that was the best that you could ever possibly put a ball in stride….Mcnabb didn’t even deliver swing passes like that. Such a simple play, but it was a beautiful throw..

      But the throw he dropped into Deseans lap who had a defender draped over him was just gorgeous…

      Nothing more enjoyable than watching a big accurate kid sling it like that from the pocket..

      • Richard Colton

        Can you imagine him with Westbrook?

        • knighn

          Westbrook in his prime + Shady.

          Let me stop thinking about it. It will only make me mad at Andy Reid again for overusing Brian Westbrook as a blocker.

  • Adam

    “See, if you get the meal, you get fries and a drink. Otherwise, it’s just the burger.”

    I buckled.

  • Adam

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Avant’s snaps diminish slowly. The main thing he did well (catching the damn ball) he can’t do anymore. I get that he’s a leader, but he can do it from the sidelines if he’s not gonna catch the dang ball.

    • theycallmerob

      Can you imagine the Maehl man coming into the starting slot role and go for 14-162-3? And then a week’s worth of articles re: Chip’s secret weapon. the White Wes Welker

      • Andy124

        the White Wes Welker
        LOL

      • Adam

        Hahaha yess… the White Welkers

  • BlindChow

    I’ve already seen people trying to diminish Foles’ performance by suggesting Kelly made some “adjustments” that account for the QB’s success. I don’t know, the gameplan looked the same to me…

    • Andy124

      Also, every defense Nick ever does well against is garbage. Always and forever no matter what.

      • BlindChow

        They are after Nick has his way with them! Zing!

  • Andy124

    I’m glad to see Foles do so well. A team needs a backup that can come in and throw for 7tds. He did what a backup should do, come in and lead his team to a blowout victory on the road against a team that was 3-1 at home with a top-10 defense. No more, no less.

    But seriously, did you see how slow he was? I think this game pretty much seals the deal that this offense requires a mobile quarterback to be effective. They left a lot of points on the field today. A faster quarterback could have turned that first sack on the blown play in to a positive. Those are the attributes needed to be successful as a quarterback in this league. And we need someone who can make quicker decisions. Ertz was open forever before Nick finally found him in the back of the endzone. And even then, it took like, the entire second quarter for the ball to finally get there with that noodle arm of his.

    Now that Nick has finally proven that he can be a serviceable 2nd or 3rd QB, we need to start looking at Matt to see if he deserves not to be castrated until we can get somebody with some outstanding physical attributes to play the position.

    • Richard Colton

      ^ best of the week

      • Poochman

        Couldn’t agree more. It’s pretty obvious Barkley will never be a starter in this league. I think we should trade our entire draft to get that kid from Louisville. It’s such a stone cold lock that he will be better than Foles at this point we just can’t risk going another year without a franchise (aka 1st round selected) QB because everyone knows you MUST have a top10 selected QB to be good in this league.

    • Brian

      Sums it all up.

    • smallestsmurf

      Well done sir.

    • pjcostello

      Let me understand… this guy puts up a PERFECT game with his ‘noodle’ arm and immobility, and that’s your proof that he’s not mobile enough and isn’t good enough to be a starting QB?? Seriously?? What are you smoking?? You should be sharing. While it MAY be true that Foles is NOT a starting QB in this league, this is definitely the wrong day to even TRY to make that argument. Let the guy have his day, and stop trying to sound bigger, better, smarter and faster than Chip Kelly and the rest of the football world long enough to simply pay a little respect to the guy. Too much to ask? Probably.

      • nicksaenz1

        I’m pretty certain that his post was pure sarcasm.

        • pjcostello

          I hope so!!! I’ll be glad to apologize if that’s the case, no problem.

          • Andy124

            After all we’ve been through together, how could you not get that?! :'(

            I kid. nicksenz1 is correct.

          • pjcostello

            MY APOLOGIES! My irony-o-meter was broken this morning, and I shouldn’t have been so disrespectful. I know it’s the Internet and all, but it would be a better place if we all ‘manned-up’ when we messed up.

            Tip of the cap to you for a well-written post!

          • Andy124

            No worries.

      • truehaynes

        im so glad you responded

    • anon

      He did ignore Avant all game, don’t like that he plays favorites.

    • RIP illa

      You forgot your sarcasm font.

      • Andy124

        @ @ doesn’t work over here. And was it really necessary?

        • Richard Colton

          see below. clearly it was.

          • Andy124

            Nah, I’m ok with 17 out of 18. Even Nick Foles can’t pull that off.

          • RIP illa

            Yup!

    • Eagles4Life

      This is some of your best work LOL. I’m not going to knock anything that Foles did yesterday, loved it 100%, monster game. I think next week we’ll see what we have as far as consistency. I won’t judge him completely on it, but we need the consistency from that spot. Always liked Vick, but neither one of these guys has been consistent even in this offense. He definitely deserves the shot now though.

    • hawaiieaglesfan

      LMFAO!!!! Best post u ever made!!!

    • knighn

      You failed to mention: Foles had to throw 7 TDs because the Eagles can’t run when he’s the QB.

  • GEAGLE

    This morning Rhea Hughes asked Chip point blank, I get the impression “that you LIKE Nick, but you don’t LOVE him.”

    Chips tone changes from pleasant to irritated and responds “you couldn’t be MORE WRONG” and that too many people forget that he has ONLY played 9 games!!!!

    • Richard Colton

      So If Foles is, in your opinion, the franchise guy moving forward. Who is the bigger need? A lockdown #1 CB or a disrupter at OLB? I have a feeling I know your answer, but I’d be 50/50

      • GEAGLE

        We aren’t adding any CBs unless we are talking about taking fliers on guys after the 5th round…which every year we should be taking late rond fliers on DL,OL and CB hoping to hit a diamond in the rough. We aren’t adding any starting caliber CBs this summer…would I like a lockdown CB? OF COURSE!!! But Im not giving my oppinion, I m giving my oppinion on what I think the Eagles will do(which is all that really matters)
        ….
        And I don’t know that FOles is a franchise guy…I know he is significantly better hath an what most people thought he was prior to yesterday. I know he has a chance to grow into one…I know he can win games in this league once developed…the question will be, will he be soooo good that it keeps you from looking at other QBs…and NO ONE knows the answer to that, and until he plays 25 NFL games, all we are getting are clues….what I do think is FOles will prove to be good enough to warrant not selling your soul to the devil and trading away or ability to build a team so that you can draft a young QB..

        As great as FOles played, as talented as Marriotta is! as polished as Teddy looks, the position is so mentally challenging that development is a crap shoot. FOles very well could develope into a GREAT QB, but far more superior talents completely failed…There were a zillion QBs more talented than Chad Pennington! but the guy was a pretty darn good QB…it’s all about, once experienced will he consistently quickly analyze a defense and know how to dissect it, then deliver an accurate ball…that’s ALL that it’s about…After seeing him for a year and a half I don’t get how ANYONE can say that given experience he won’t be able to do that at a high level…but with experience your recognition of defense and everything that they throw at you will improve…and with continuity, your handle of the offense will improve…so if he gets better at not getting tricked by defense, while he improves at knowing his playbook well enough to act what the defense throws at you in any position…why the hell would anyone think he won’t be able to deliver an accurate ball, once he gets the mental part of the battle down?

        I do believe you will see enough from FOles to warrant giving him a real chance to develope into one..but for that to happen, you will have to give him the rest of this year, The offseason focused on building a better team he can succeed with, while focusing on grooming him as a number 1 QB…give him the rest of this year, all of ether summer as the man, all of next season…and I do believe there is a good chance! you end up with an Intelligent, accurate kid who can lead us into the new era….That’s my oppinion…

        I think OT and Safety additions are coming first and foremost

        • nicksaenz1

          I almost think a true #1 WR may come in the first round. If Kelvin Benjamin fell into our lap, I wouldn’t be mad.

          • GEAGLE

            It would not surprise me at all…I would much rather take advantage of the great OLBs in round one this year, but whichever young QB we go with eventually, he is going to need a big playmaking WR so I can’t be mad if has hats the direction we go in..
            ..
            Personally I think we need two WRs..
            .
            So I’d rather get my stud pass rusher in a strong OLB draft in round 1, and then use the next two rounds to grab our WRs

          • Richard Colton

            I really hope Maclin can be one of those two WRs

          • theycallmerob

            I don’t think both WR picks have to come so early, that’s one position in particular where later round guys and UDFAs have made quite an impact.
            Even after OLB, still need plenty of help in the back 7. Wouldn’t mind some mid-round picks spent there (3 or 4, now have 2 5th rd). Late OL player, and some late-round/UDFA running backs

        • anon

          I think we take one if one comes to us but I don’t think we have to mortgage our draft for one (reserve the right to re-think if we Foles goes dallas for rest of year).

      • BlindChow

        1st round CB’s haven’t fared too well the last couple years. We burned Hayden in this game; Milliner was benched twice this year; even Claiborne was benched, and he cost the Cowboys 2 picks! I can only imagine the fan outrage if we benched our first round pick during the season. (Though Jarvis Jones was benched in Pittsburgh, so OLB isn’t a sure thing either.)

        Maybe that just speaks to the crapshoot nature of the draft rather than the position. I say just go BPA. Even if it’s a Tight End.

        • GEAGLE

          If we were to go BPA in this draft, it would probably be between OT,WR,OLB and some DL…those are the strong positions in round 1 this year. TE probably won’t come off the board before the 20th pick this year..green bay and the patriots could be targeting that position late in rd 1

          • anon

            I’d be happy with Bamiro and try to get that dude that ran away from MIA. Once the o-line gells i think it’ll be what we expect it to be — remember most of them are coming off of super serious injuries. I’m happy taking fliers at that position though i think we need a guard. I’d go WR, OLB, CB, Safety.

          • GEAGLE

            I wouldn’t be happy about drafting OL in rd 1, but if we were to go with pure BPA, those will be the predominant positions we will see this year between picks 10-17
            ..
            1) Give me OLB Barr,Mack or Van Noy, Beasley
            2) Allen Robinson WR
            3) Odell Beckham WR
            And
            Jarius Byrd in FA and I’m HAPPY!

          • anon

            What about 25-32?

          • GEAGLE

            CBs, some more WR, 2TEs probably drafted between 20-30, few ILB, DL

            It’s really a crap shoot at the end, because of players slipping, and then teams trading back into round the end of round 1 so they can steal players that wouldn’t last to them in round 2..
            ..
            I have a feeling that we are over valuing QBs right now and that we will see two picked in the 20-30 range…but I’d rather see like 4 drafted in the top 7 because that would mean there is a good chance of Von Miller 2.0 falls to 8, a range we could afford trading up to

          • 1972

            Need a offensive lineman thrown in there somewhere. But that list is beautiful

          • Richard Colton

            I was talking with JR about this a few days ago – if we pick middle of the pack, and Barr, Clowney, and the top 3 QBs are gone, a stud LT like Lewan or Matthews might just fall into our laps. Be a risky move for the franchise taking OT in round one in back to back years. Then again, look at how effective the offense is when the QB is kept clean.

          • theycallmerob

            There are some other interesting OLB prospects. I like both the ‘bama kids, particularly Mosley. And don’t get Geagle started on Khalil Mack.
            If the Eagles play themselves into a middle-of-the-pack pick, I think trading down would be a great option with so many needs. Look at how many teams with good QBs are playing with suspect OLs- Seattle, NO, GB, Bal, IND, Den, etc. These teams almost always miss out on top prospects, and have to rely on finding buried gem OL in 2nd/3rd rds. Bet they’d kill for good T help. I say let ‘em have it

  • Bill

    WOW….Foles thew SEVEN touchdown passes…..Vick never has even come close to that in ten years.

    Foles is now the starting QB for EVERY GAME the rest of this season.

    • anon

      He had 5 passes and 2 runs in 2010 when we put up 55 on the skins. Foles ROY, but don’t pretend like Vick never did anything.

      • nicksaenz1

        Wasn’t it 4 td passes? Semantics, I know.

        • anon

          +1 for my rose colored glasses.

  • BleedGreenJames

    I’d just like to personally congratulate Kevin Kol- err, Matt Fly- ah, Nick Foles on beating the incredible Oakland Raiders.

    • anon

      Noooooooooo

    • IDB

      Man, you cant even enjoy that performance (one that none of the QB’s you’re making jokes about could sniff) without being a snarky clown. This is why we cant have nice things.

      • BleedGreenJames

        What are you crying about? I was obviously congratulating him on a great game.

        • theycallmerob

          downvote everyone replying to your comment? double-weak

    • theycallmerob

      weak

    • Adam

      mmm

  • Brian
    • Richard Colton

      Good call on both. That guy is such a hack. I want to punch Jimmy K in the face. Philly.com “replacing” Sheil with this guy and Berman reminds me of the time the Cleveland Indians “replaced” Jack Parkman with Isuro Tanaka.

      Notice how bravely he’s taken up the latest cause celebre and is refusing to use the word “Redskins” in print. Ohh he’s so cutting edge, so brave. Next he’ll be writing about concussions and head injuries.

      • Andy124

        Wait, is this anti-Kempski? I like the humor he brings to the table.

      • jabostick

        Hey, go easy on Jimmy! His twitter feed is pretty hilarious. Plus he openly roots against other NFC East teams. I’ve said before that I endorse Sheil for his unbiased analysis, and endorse Kempski for his SUPER biased analysis haha

        • Richard Colton

          i know a lot of you like the guy. I can’t stand him. I’ll take your word and follow him on twitter to see if my attitude changes.

          • Andy124

            He really hates Dallas, and he’s good at hating Dallas.

          • Richard Colton

            So does Spadero, so does my drunk uncle. I’m not going to either for Football Talk.

          • jabostick

            To each his own. I agree with Andy124, he does a good job of mocking the rest of the East. Maybe depends on your expectations going in.

          • Richard Colton

            24/7 has changed my mind about a lot of things, I’ll give him another chance.

          • Koala

            his NFC obituary columns are my favorite. Other than that I can take or leave him. I do love that he is an out and out FAN of the Eagles.As in he openly roots against the rest of the NFC east, especially dallas which is hilarious.

          • Richard Colton

            ok. the people have spoken. I’ll give Jimmy K another shot.

          • JofreyRice

            booooo. Don’t like him. Blogification of sports journalism. Unrepentant homer.

          • theycallmerob

            do you read Tommy Lawlor at all? over on igglesblitz? I got tuned into Jimmy K from him; they do a good podcast together. Most of Jimmy’s stuff is goofy, but the MSPaint graphics are pulitzer-worthy.
            Also, the poor guy went from a good blogging section on the bEast to philly.com nutsos. I cut him a little bit of sympathy pie for that.

          • EaglePete

            Oh hes the guy with the graphics, love that stuff. I actually like that guy, hes funny and doesnt seem too serious which is kind of what that site needs, or rather, what Philly fans in general need. Its a nice change of pace I think.

      • knighn

        You did read enough to realize that Kempski was slamming the original articles by Jason Cole and Mike Freeman?

        • Richard Colton

          yeah. its just that every time I read a philly.com article I hate, its got his name on it. Then again, I like Les Bowen. To each his own.

          • Richard Colton

            Jimmy? was that you?

    • Wilbert31

      from the comments section
      “In having an article about an NFL game “published,” in Bleacher Report, what Mike Freeman did was take advantage of today’s concept of sports journalism. That isn’t hard. You know why it isn’t hard? Because Mike freaking Freeman did it.”

  • GEAGLE

    So, going forward are we going with:
    1) Paging “Doctor” FOles, he is needed for surgery in Lambeau field…
    ..
    Or is it Nick “The RainMaker” FOles?

    • nicksaenz1

      BPF.. Big Pole Foles, layin the hammer

      • Cyrus Robinson

        By that nickname, I can’t tell if Foles is a football player or an adult film star

        • cliff henny

          bet all the women tossing their who-ha’s at foles this week, he wont know either.

    • Michael Winter Cho

      Because he’s from Arizona (so am I). And he’s kind of clever and rangy and has gumption: Nick…. “The Coyote” Foles.

    • A Roy

      I’m just hoping he doesn’t look like Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine or Dr. Howard.

  • Chris

    Going away from Foles’ amazing performance for a second, The D-line was getting pressure on nearly every snap…noticeable difference with Soap out of the lineup and the young guys in. Hard to remember a snap in which they DIDN’T have Pryor running around. looks like a good call from the front office….

  • Will

    Foles is fantastic, and I view him more as the starter and less as a back up after every game he plays. I am a big Vick supporter but Foles deserves his props for tying a NFL record in 3 quarters. Foles may very well have set a new record if left in the game. Granted next week against GB will say a lot about how good this team can be. As much has I will enjoy this win, I am really looking forward to next week! Can the Eagles execute two weeks in a row? Foles to Chip -How’d I do Coach?

    • GEAGLE

      That record is impressive enough, especially when you look at the list and you don’t see names like Brees, Rogers, Elway,Marino,Montana,Brady…and even tho the list is filled with hall of famers, FOles was the only one to do it with a perfect QB rating, and he was the only one to do it in 3 quarters..

      Vick is a class act, and his redemption story turning his life around is legendary….but it’s time for our future

      • Will

        Agree Foles definitely making a case moving forward…QBR 158.3 over 400 yds passing with 7 passing TD’s, impressive…zero INT’s…

      • cliff henny

        give me 2 more games of Tampa like perfomances, and i wont even mention ’14 draft. right now, am dreaming of Evans for texas A&M playing #2 wr, let cooper be 4th. sign byrd, draft a slot late, get OLB in 2nd, man, even howie cant F this up, just get out of kelly’s way and do exactly what he tells you to do

        • nicksaenz1

          Kelvin Benjamin.

          • cliff henny

            he’s good, but not mike evans good. evans can catch in traffic and take those wr screnes and break tackles, plus the 30+ yd…the dude is ridiculous, i havent seen him do anything wrong. think he is darn near the perfect wr for kelly, plus he’s in the 10-15 slot right now. honestly, after seeing where foles is today after dallas’ game, if kelly told me i could play safety for him, probably believe it

          • nicksaenz1

            I honestly don’t watch enough college to make a real judgment. I saw a little of Benjamin and the dude is a monster… I’ve seen a little of the Evans kid and certainly wouldn’t complain.

            Edit: Even if we bring back STJM, I hope we draft a big guy for the outside. Unless, of course, Riley can keep this up with Foles. I’d be curious to see STJM out of the slot. And yes, STJM is Self-Tacklin’ Jeremy Maclin.

          • cliff henny

            just not the YAC guy Evans is. evans is 6-5 225 with 4.4 speed, remind you of anyone? like in Detroit. not as freaky, but one of the few that can be even remotely compared

          • nicksaenz1

            Not sure Benjamin’s speed. 6-5 235, though.

        • 1972

          who do you want in the first round Evans??

          • cliff henny

            sure, who wouldnt? olb probably be the other area. can pick up corners and safeties even slot guys in free agancy, but top teir rush backers and WR dont hit the market.

          • theycallmerob

            I love Evans, but would much rather go OLB at that spot. Less talent it seems at that position, usually the 1st rounders are where the true stars are. WR, even in the 2nd or 3rd, will have some big guys. I get kinda excited looking at that prospect list- not a lot of burners, but good route-runners and soft hands. Plays to our needs.

          • cliff henny

            hubbard looks like a kelly guy, projected 2nd. 6-5 250. get evans and olb in 1&2. foles becoming legit nfl qb changes everything, why i would push for 1st rd talent weapon to help his cause.

          • Andy124

            Speaking of Foles, he’s a Roseman pick.

            The book’s not written yet, but as of today it reflects well on Howie.

          • cliff henny

            howie just needs to funnel kelly the guy’s kelly wants, and get out of the way. keep salary cap in-line like always and make sure lurie keeps cutting checks.

    • jabostick

      I know it’s only one week and not trying to go overboard (especially since I’ve pretty much advocated for drafting a new QB next year), but if Foles can show some consistency, it would be a tremendous advantage to go into the draft next year and not be forced to compete with a ton of teams to get a new QB.

      He doesn’t need to be a star but be a competent leader of a really good offense, the offseason plans could change pretty drastically.

      Here’s hoping…

  • RIP illa

    Call me a Cole hater…I don’t care but Fletcher Cox was the D MVP yesterday. I could of swore I saw him come on the field, set up a tent, build a fire, and make some s’mores as he spent all game camping out in the OAK’s backfield. Pryor was rushed off his spot on a regular basis and running for his life because of Cox. Glad Trent finally got a sack though. And can someone please get Kendricks an I.V. And bed rest…poor guy!

    • Richard Colton

      Kendricks still played a good game – 10 tackles. But yeah, having to spy Pryor all day, who did he piss off on the coaching staff?

      To your other point, I can live with a diet of Cox, Logan, Thornton for the rest of the year, with Curry subbing in on passing downs. Not a bad D-line.

      • RIP illa

        Not at all. Love how Thorton has come along. Was so worried that we might have to go into this draft and get a legit DE, but he proved to be one thus far. So I’m really hoping that we don’t touch the O-line or D-line until later on in the draft! We really gotta sure up a few key spots w/ our higher end picks if we truly want this team to compete.

      • Token

        Eh, tackles can be pretty misleading stat for a LB. If the tackles are downfield who really cares?

        To my eye Kendricks wasnt very good yesterday.

        • anon

          Agree which is why i don’t like that Meco has all the tackles. Really want the DL to be the tackle leaders. I think we either draft or pay for a big name OLB or maybe save that for CB / S since those seem to be positions that require some time to grow.

          • Brian

            You’re kidding about the DL leading , right?

          • Token

            I think you mistyped maybe. In this scheme its designed to keep the LBs clean so they can really be a factor. Im not sure id saying Kendricks or Ryans is much of a factor.

            We need at least one ILB.

            But I wouldnt certainly put OLB and S ahead in terms of needs.

            Just go sign Byrd. Screw it. Maybe he gets paid and quits like some other high priced FAs, but o well. Hes a great center field safety that we need. Maybe Wolff starts next to him. Cant say ive paid a ton of attention to Wolff, so I cant say how hes doing. But like I said yesterday, he can really be a problem for teams when blitzing. Anyone know how hes been in coverage?

        • JofreyRice

          He misses tackles more often than making them cleanly. I don’t know what the guy’s problem is.

    • nicksaenz1

      Cole hater.

  • EaglePete

    Dallas should have lost that game, same with Skins. How do you not run it in SD, cmon. 2 of the worst reviewed calls maybe ever in last nights game. That was a fumble, didnt hit the guys leg and that catch by Andre Johnson, he had the ball all the way to the ground slid out of bounds, then the defender flicks it out of his arms and its incomplete. What were they watching? and I bet on the Colts yet wouldnt have called that incomplete after review, strange.

  • 1972

    Kelly’s offense wont work in the nfl, worst in the league, very vanilla, Idiots!!!!

    My man RACIST RILES shows up every time foles plays. I cant believe im saying this but you cant just play him man to man with no help anymore.

    The offensive line played great !!!!Jackson. Bryce brown and the TE’S were very good .

    Stud OLB in the first round and a developmental qb in the 2nd.

    Im ready to ride with Foles.

    Cmon Nick!!!! I need to see it against a winning team!!!!!

  • djack10

    you know that picture above where all 3 QB’s are intently trying to learn something? show me once when mcnabb ever did that, let alone in a game where he had multiple TD passes. i like seeing this. this is chip kelly influence all the way. these guys will keep pushing each other and it will end up being very successful.
    i think vick may be willing to stay in philly as the backup. it will be interesting to see. there’s no system even close to this exciting for him and as they say he’d always be one play away…

    • EaglePete

      man, why do fans hate McNabb so much. In fact the more this team struggles (minus today of course) the more I think fondly of the McNabb/Reid days. Maybe it will take some fans longer to appreciate what they did but they were great times minus not taking home the Lombardi. They were in the conversation and playoffs for years on end and always at least one a few in the playoffs.
      These athletes hate losing as much as we fans do, not like they try to under perform. Im sure you just wanted to point out his arrogance and I get that, He does come off kind of annoying esp recently with the whole RG3 thing but I just had to say that.

      • anon

        I think the moves he’s made post-leaving the eagles have grated a lot of people’s nerves. That said fans here don’t like losing — probably b/c we haven’t won it all — biggest knock on this team obviously.

      • hawaiieaglesfan

        Ditto.

      • djack10

        hate is a little strong. 5 did great things for us and the team. it just seemed like he was missing something. as competitive as he claimed to be, i cannot remember once he was working on the sideline looking at all 22’s. if he had less ego, i think he could have been even greater. take moments like when he didnt know that a game could end in a tie. it just tells me he lacked full preparation. that said, his 90% effort was better than most 110% effort.

    • Nah__Roots

      Wow, lol. Not only do we start throwing dirt on Vick when Foles plays well, but McNabb too. This is why I’m more of a “closet” Eagles fan. Too many knuckle heads out there making us look bad.

  • dc

    “See, if you get the meal, you get fries and a drink. Otherwise, it’s just the burger.” funniest thing i’ve read all day.

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    Interesting match up between Eagle O vs Packer D. Eagles ran a lot of 12 personnel. And they were able to pass deep in that formation. A formation usualy reserved for short to intermediate routes or a running attack. What the eagles showed is that theyare able to pass as efficently as they can run. Man coverage with single safety or 0 cover may not be the answer when Foles is playing. I once doubted Foles ability to go deep. That went out the window this past Sunday. My props to Foles I like Vick but Foles you have earned the starting job.
    A good D can only take away one phase of the O. Which poison will the Packers take? Eiher way if the o can execute I see very close game this Sunay. And a lot less points than most people think.

  • Jack

    Andrew Luck’s first 9 starts – 208/362 for 2,404 yards and a 57.5%. 10 TDs, 9 INTs, 21 sacks, 7 fumbles and 4 lost, 34 runs for 159 yards and 5 TDs, 76.48 QB Rating

    Nick Foles first 9 starts – 194/321 for 2,262 yards and a 60.4%. 15 TDs, 4 INTs, 24 sacks, 7 fumbles and 2 lost, 20 runs for 83 yards and 2 TDs, 116.20 QB Rating

    Less turnovers, more TDs, higher completion percentage, and a higher QB rating than the #1 pick in each of their first 9 starts.

    • Brian

      Considering that Nick’s first six starts were behind a second team O’line, makes this even more impressive.

    • Eagles4Life

      LOL there’s so much more that goes into those figures. C’mon man.

      • Jack

        Yeah, there is. Foles has had next to no real consistency in his 9 starts while Luck has had an excellent supporting cast. Foles was missing most of his OL and a few key offensive starters in the first 6 games he started. Can’t say the same about Luck. Foles had to learn a brand new offensive scheme in his 2nd year.

        • Eagles4Life

          An excellent supporting cast? Mike McGlynn, A.Q. Shipley, and Winston Justice were on his OL lol. Their defense was brand new, and aside from Reggie Wayne, there weren’t any real playmakers on the offense or they were rookies. Let’s not try to make a reach here. Even in 9 games, Luck > Foles. Period.

          • Jack

            When’s the last time Luck threw for 7 TDs? 6? 5? 4? Okay, he did throw 4 TDs one time last year but also tossed 3 picks that game. Talking about purely upside, Foles has higher.

          • Eagles4Life

            Higher upside based upon what???? Luck has better pocket presence, passing skills, escapability, much improved mechanics, etc. Get real, man lol

          • Jack

            How do you come to the conclusion that Luck has better pocket presence, passing skills, escapability and much improved mechanics? Did ESPN tell you those things? If he is SOOO much better, why are the majority of his stats (measurables) worse? When has Luck had a game like Foles just had? Never. That’s when.

          • Eagles4Life

            It’s because I’ve played and watched football for nearly my entire life. I won’t even bother going into the particulars on that, simply because your stats don’t even amount up to a legit argument. You’re talking about ONE game that had almost half the production you cited as far as TDs are concerned. Skewed information. Completion percentage includes how far you throw the ball past the line of scrimmage and there was a wealth of information about Foles’ 10 yards or less passes last year. More skewed information. You’re also not factoring in drops by receivers, 2nd half performance, and a bunch of other things that go into QB evaluation. The kid played a hell of a GAME yesterday, and I’m rooting for him. But please, stop acting like he led a team of misfits to a division championship and the playoffs. Luck has. Foles? Never. That’s when.

          • The Answer

            “Talking about purely upside, Foles has higher”

            hahahahah funny joke. Wait you’re serious? Can I have some of what you’re smoking? Just stop.

          • EaglePete

            ya thanks, cmon people, some of this stuff is comical. But hey, love the excitement and enthusiasm, objectivity be damned.

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    “Chips offense not ready for NFL” “Foles record meaningless”
    I can give 49 reasons why this offense is ready.
    Also 158.3 reasons why Foles record is not meaningless.

  • Sadlyavickfan:(

    I live for the top comments on 24/7 birds

  • jon h

    Perhaps it’s time for Lurie to start renting hotels on Saturday nights and making the players stay there instead of in their comfortable homes – something to mix up the dreadful home record.

  • UncleCarm

    When the All-22 comes out an we get a special review of Vandervelde and Barbre? After all, this is the NFL and people get injured; it would be nice to know how they are progressing.

  • pjcostello

    Poopyhead!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA . You’re the reason tigers eat their young, imbecile.

  • Andy124

    You’re quite the bundle of joy. Thanks for sharing.