All-22: Diagnosing the Issues On Offense

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One of the fundamental principles of Chip Kelly’s scheme is to set the offense up to take advantage of one-on-one matchups.

There’s plenty of blame to spread around when it comes to reasons why the Eagles have managed just one field goal offensively in their last eight quarters. But one is the failure to capitalize and win those matchups.


For example, in the first quarter of last week's game against the Giants, the Eagles run their most popular packaged play: a zone-read look with an option to throw the screen to the perimeter. Only this time, there's a bit of a wrinkle: Lane Johnson is split out wide to the left with James Casey and Jeff Maehl.

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Before the snap, you can see all sorts of confusion on the Giants' defense. Like the unbalanced line, this is another way to mess with opponents. You push tempo, and all of a sudden, the defense looks up and the right tackle isn't where he usually is.

As you can see, the Eagles have numbers: 3-on-2. Michael Vick makes the right decision and throws the screen to Casey.

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When Chip Kelly rested his head on his pillow for a good six hours of sleep Saturday night, he probably dreamth of looks like this. He's got his athletic, powerful right tackle on a safety and one of his (usually) better blocking receivers on a cornerback.

Take a look from the other angle. There's no other Giants defender between the hash marks to the sideline. They're all thinking run first. The linebacker and safety will give chase, but this sets up as a big play.

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The problem? Prince Amukamara tosses Maehl aside, and while Johnson should have either have driven Antrel Rolle 20 yards downfield or planted him into the ground, he does neither. The two blockers who are supposed to win their matchups against the defenders don't do their jobs.

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To be fair, this play still picked up 11 yards. That's usually a win for the offense. But you get the point. The Eagles left yards on the field and had a chance for a big play.

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Let's go back to another screen. The Eagles didn't run many true zone-reads last week. They were working with a hobbled Vick and the last man standing in Matt Barkley. On most plays, the QB was not given the option to run the ball.

Kelly's answer to not having a QB who is a running threat is to throw screens to the perimeter. We saw it with Nick Foles in the Tampa game, and we saw it last week against the Giants. The QB is still still playing option football. The options are just different.

This play took place in the second quarter. The Eagles have DeSean Jackson, Jason Avant and Maehl set up to the left this time.

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At first glance, it looks like the Giants are better-equipped with three defensive backs over three wide receivers. But the safety is going to retreat once the ball is snapped.

This one didn't have the same numbers advantage as the first play shown, but if the Eagles get a hat on a hat, and Jackson executes, it should at least be a first down before the safety gets back into the picture.

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But again, a couple problems in execution. You can see Avant (yellow box near the line of scrimmage) has the defensive back pinned to the inside. That means Jackson should take off towards the sideline. But instead, he takes a couple steps inside first.

The issue is compounded by the fact that Maehl blows his block. By the time Jackson gets going, the Giants have multiple defenders ready to bring him down.

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The result? A 3-yard gain.

Any time the offense scores three points in two weeks, and you have an offensive coach running the show, he deserves criticism. But in many cases, the criticism should be for Kelly not getting his players to execute, rather than the concepts themselves.

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The other issue is the run game, which has struggled the last four weeks. There seems to be a little bit of everything: LeSean McCoy and Bryce Brown missing opportunities, offensive linemen getting beat and the scheme/performance of opposing defenses (good breakdown here by The Chip Wagon).

But the question of how opponents defend the Eagles when they're not afraid of the QB running is one worth exploring. With Barkley in the game, the Eagles showed plenty of zone-read looks, but Kelly explained that the QB only had the option to run on one of them.

Here, you'll see the Eagles leave Jason Pierre-Paul unblocked.

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The option for Barkley is not: hand it off or keep it. Instead, it's: hand it off or throw the screen.

But does it look like Pierre-Paul is worried about anything other than McCoy?

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The unblocked defender can crash every time when the QB doesn't pose a threat. Even if Barkley (or Foles) takes off and picks up 4 or 5, that's a win for the defense. You keep the ball out of McCoy's hands and you might get a hit on the quarterback.

The Eagles can come back and throw the screen over and over, but there is a defined way for defenses to take McCoy away with minimal risk against the zone read when they run it with Foles or Barkley.

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Overall, Barkley played just about how I'd expect: OK. He made some nice anticipation throws, but failed to pull the trigger on attempts downfield.

Derek Sarley did a good job of showing some of those misses, but here's one more that caught my eye.

This was a critical 3rd-and-4 early in the third quarter with the game still within reach. The Eagles had the ball at the Giants' 26. Before the snap, Barkley puts Jackson in motion. The cornerback follows, indicating man coverage across the board.

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Zach Ertz and Riley Cooper run crossing patterns. It's a pick play designed to create space against man coverage.

Meanwhile, Bryce Brown is going to run a wheel route against the linebacker. We've seen the Eagles try this on multiple occasions the last two weeks, often missing open opportunities.

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Barkley has a clean pocket, and the pick works. Cooper is open for what looks to be a first down.

Meanwhile, Brown runs by the linebacker.

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If Brown had been mic'd up, we likely would have heard: "Yo, Matty! Over here! I got this! C'mon! I'll never bounce a run outside again! I promise!"

But instead, Barkley holds the ball and takes a sack. Johnson gets blamed for a breakdown in protection, but really it's on the quarterback. The Eagles lose 5 yards, Kelly opts to not go for the 48-yard FG, and they turn it over on downs.

Just another example of failed execution in what has turned out to be a disastrous two-game stretch.

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  • Will

    Proper Execution has been the root cause of troubles for this football team the last 3 years regardless of the scheme. Till they work together and all execute their individual jobs the losses will continue to mount up. If it’s not tackling, it’s blocking, bad passes, missed assignments, fumbles, INT’s, dropped balls, bad snaps, missed FG’s, penalties, ect….this team lacks the discipline to do the basic things right consistently .

    • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

      Fundamentally sound …the Eagles are not Will. I wish the Eagles could hire Gus Bradley for one week so he could give the “do your job speech” every day to the entire team. Once everyone gets on the same page, we’ll start seeing results.

      • cliff henny

        or, about 20 new faces next yr. it’s annoying when cooper or maehl screw up, hopefully next yr they wont be around or see field as much

        • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

          Yea Cliff you would have to hope they upgrade heavily at the WR position next season. I’m wondering if it’s gonna be heavy in free agency or through the draft.

    • RaiderDebo

      Yo Will. Must say I was wrong last week and you were right. Vick should’ve sat this one out. Should’ve figured that Dallas would lose at Detroit. Sucks the season is probably going down the tubes because of a stupid hamstring pull.

      • Will

        Yeah hated to be right about that would of preferred a Barkley start and Vick take on Oakland. Shat happens…I believe Vick wanted to put an end to the home losing streak.

  • Andy

    When the Kelly regime started it seemed to be a high-octane offense that could either take off and leave the atmosphere or sputter and never get off the ground. I figured with the way they practice at tempo the genius of the system was everybody would get more than enough reps to make executing the plays second nature, and this would mitigate the risk of three and outs that last less than a minute and put your defense back on the field before they could catch their breath. This offense is sputtering right now.

    • anon

      Offense doesn’t seem that fast generally either. Seems like a no huddle, but i don’t feel like it’s actually confusing Ds or putting them on their heels. I guess that’s because we haven’t seen a drive in 3 weeks.

      • Basscase

        You’re absolutely correct, though I’d even go as far back as the 2nd half of the Washington game to point that out. The offense hasn’t been as fast as it was during the first half, and it just seems like it’s a version of the no-huddle the Patriots use.

        I don’t think they’re confusing Ds, either (at least to the level we were expecting), and while it’s been simply boiled down as part playcalling, part execution errors, can it be fixed that simply? I don’t know if it’s as easy as telling McCoy “stop trying to make a big play” (when the D has been taking that away) or “Cooper, beat that guy” (when he only can if the DB falls down).

        • Dutch

          It’s going to take Chip this entire year to get his feet on the ground, and as a fan base, people are certainly expecting to much from Cooper. He’s always been and remains a back up and not a good or reliable back up.

          • Basscase

            I get that, and I’m cool with it. Cooper is on the team only because Maclin injured himself on a blade of grass.

            We see how the scheme works and how they need better players. Cool with that. What I’m NOT cool with is thinking that this team, based on the All-22s, is 3-4 missed plays away from beating the Seahawks/49ers. Noone here has said it, but it can be implied, since every team misses on plays on game days.

      • anon9999

        To be fair we we’re still moving pretty fast until the last 2 games. I remember a Denver defensive player saying he felt like he was going to throw up playing us. The problem is you’re not going to tire anyone out when you go 3 and out most drives.

        • Basscase

          I would expect that, given where they played.
          But they just haven’t shown the same “snappiness” since the Redskins game. They’ve been fast, but not as fast as Monday night.

          • Nah__Roots

            They were fluid against Tampa. Too bad no other team we play will be foolish enough to field a zone D against us.

          • Basscase

            Yeah, Tampa’s a dumpster of a tire fire. Their own DC told the fans to come in the to facility if they could design a better game plan on D (since, you know, Revis in zone is SO effective). Some fans took him up on his offer, but were denied entry.

            What a bad team.

          • anon

            hahah that’s terrific.

          • Dutch

            Outstanding, Customer participation…… that’s new.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Oh we can hope. Dream. Pray. lol

      • Andy124

        I don’t think he likes to turn up the tempo until momentum is on our side. We’ve had no momentum the last two weeks.

        Also, with the hurry up, you need two backs you trust. One guy just can’t hold up for that. Maybe a loss of confidence in Brown is causing them to slow down so they don’t have to sub Shady out as much.

        • anon

          dont think brown has gotten enough touches. feel like he needs a few series.

          • Basscase

            Problem is when Shady’s in you absolutely can’t sit him, but Brown hasn’t shown anything in the chances he’s been given (which is why I wasn’t upset that Barkley didn’t throw him that pass – you sure he’ll bring it in?)

            On the + side? No fumbles from him.

          • anon

            no but i’m sure barkely doesn’t take the sack in that instance. That i think is the issue w/ the team right now. Players not trusting each other to make plays.

            Everyone is benchable. If shady doesn’t hit the right hole — benched. Let BB get those carries.

          • cliff henny

            just dont trust the guy. he isnt explosive enough to warrent putting out there with knowing he coughs it up. good story, but might have to find another #2 rb next yr

          • anon

            No fumbles this season.

          • cliff henny

            still dont trust him…seriously, do you? it’s not like he’s destroying the chances he gets.

          • Basscase

            I trust him with a carton of eggs. Everything else? Not sure.

          • cliff henny

            better not want more than 2 or 3 to be hard boiled. making one big omelette after he gets ahold of them.

    • theedevilsadvocate

      agreed

  • BlindChow

    Jeff Maehl missing multiple blocks?! Who would have thought I’d be begging for more Riley Cooper!

    • nicksaenz1

      I was going to make a comment similar, but you nailed it. Please, give us more Coop and less Maehl.

      • Will

        How many TE’s on this team and you have Maehl blocking on screens…what happened to bigger people beat up little people mentality?

        • anon

          i know right. why not just put lane, celek and shady or lane peters and shady out there and have a power bubble screen.

          • Basscase

            Then you would have to keep them out there for other plays. It’s great for the play, but the scheme uses little to no subs as much as possible, so the speed advantage over the D would be negated.

          • Andy124

            That’s base personel, exotic formation. Nothing in the hury-up says to use the same formation every play.

        • BlindChow

          If you put in more TE’s then the opposing team puts in more LB’s, which mitigates the advantage.

          • nicksaenz1

            Depends, you can run a 2 TE’s and split one wide and still likely have a corner/safety for him to block.

          • southy

            I kind of thought the whole point of picking up Ertz was that he could take advantage of mismatches in the receiving game against LBs. We sure as hell didn’t draft him for his excellent blocking skills.

          • jabostick

            When nothing is working, though, I’d like to see them try 2 and 3 TE sets and get Ertz or Casey mismatched somewhere…

            Having said that, the All-22′s (here and elsewhere) seem to keep pointing to execution/missed opportunities rather than lack of adjustments.

            Still would like to see what we can do in a multiple TE look

        • theedevilsadvocate

          true.

      • cliff henny

        8 more games, then give me neither. passing game is tricky, cause most of these guys wont be here next yr. just glad the concepts work. run game bothers me more, cause outside of barbre for herrmanns, pretty much the same crew will see in ’14

        • nicksaenz1

          I’m fine with Coop as our 5th WR next year. Maehl, not so much. You’re bad when Coop brings more to the table than you…. As far as line, I have a feeling we’ll do some FA work and a draft a guy or two. Let’s just hope that at least 1 pans out.

          • cliff henny

            mathis doesnt have huge wear and tear, kelce and johnson are young. see about dennis kelly, tobin seems ok. barbre another older but not beaten down. need young playmakers, draft 2 wrs (outside 2-4) then slot guy 5-7 (campenello from wake in 7th, guy looks like young steve smith-carolina smith), olb, cb and #2 rb, of course qb. not as worried over line as some. extend peters get cap number down, if he can stay healthy. hope his sub-par play(for him, still good) is just getting back into form. see if he has nice 2nd half. achilles is no small deal.

          • nicksaenz1

            We’ll see about them but Herremans is scaring me. Mathis and Peters 32-33. Wear and tear or not, Mathis isn’t keeping up his level of play more than 2 years after this season in all likelihood. Bring in a replacement for Herremans (not sure his cap # offhand). Peters, we’ll see. He’s good for another year, two tops. Lower the cap number certainly. No idea how good Tobin/Kelly are in actual game situations in this scheme. Have to figure that out. Bringing in competition won’t hurt them, though.

          • anon

            that’s a lot of needs…

          • nicksaenz1

            I’m assuming bringing in 3 max.

      • jabostick

        Maybe Chip is playing a seriously long con where we get game
        after game of Maehl missing a block until they run a fake screen, where Maehl
        intentionally blows his block and turns into a fly pattern. (My turn from surly
        to unrealistically optimistic usually begins on a Wednesday afternoon)

    • http://YoBitch.com/ Enslaved Meth Cook

      right, why is maehl even on the field. if he is on the team next year ima be mad. he is a practice squad player at best.

  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    That 3rd and 4 play killed us. Pitch and catch with Brown for a touchdown changes the whole game. I can remember Brandon Jacobs beating Casey Matthews on that wheel route a few years ago – it’s a really tough play for a linebacker to stop and a great call against man defense.

  • BHOtheLiar

    It’s kind of amazing that you can change so many parts on a team and it still reverts to form.

    • 1972

      Desean Jackson Jason avant brent celek. these are fan favorites that need to go. its simple, these players aren’t good enough to win

      • theycallmerob

        Avant and Celek are definitely upgrade-able; I think many of us hoped DJ2 and Ertz would fill those roles. Doesn’t seem either is improving enough to take those snaps away. And to be completely fair, Avant’s been his usual consistent self. He is what he is, but I don’t think underperform is a fair label on him. We just need folks who perform better.
        DJax should simply be a #2 WR. He cannot be the only playmaker out wide, too easy for opposing teams to take away.

        It’s crazy to think that, besides TO for a little bit, we haven’t had any tremendous receivers in what, 20 years? longer? Incredible how poorly we draft at that position.

        • BlindChow

          To be fair to Avant, there have been at least three passes where he was open in the end zone and all three QB’s missed him.

          • Andy124

            Not this week. This week, 100-100 27TDs. I’m sure at least one of them will land in the hands of Avant.

          • cliff henny

            for what he is, gets as much production as anyone can ask. i’d like to see a slot with more YAC ability.

          • Wilbert M.

            Yeah, because Avant has zero YAC ability. Catch, turn & fall.

          • 1972

            The problem I have with avant is his lack of speed. we need a quicker shiftier player on 3rd downs

          • theycallmerob

            I get that argument, I really do. And I agree.
            But of all our WRs, Avant seems to do the best getting open. There is no substitute for good route-running. The head fake to lose Carr on the bad end-zone throw against the cowboys was a thing of beauty.

          • 1972

            Hes not the top need out there, but an upgrade is in order

        • Andy124

          Beginning of 2011, Jackson, Maclin and Avant were being touted as one of the top receiving corps in the league.

          • anon

            what a difference a day makes.

        • 1972

          Djax is owed 10 mil? he’s going to walk not re negotiate

          • cliff henny

            12m salary, 6m dead…something has to give there for sure

          • 1972

            even worse. you think hes going to negotiate don’t you?

          • cliff henny

            yes. in best interests of both parties. 6m dead means we’ll probably give him best contract to not eat that dead, and he’s under contract, so it’s not like he can go out and shop, like a maclin

      • cliff henny

        add in benn casey chung and ryans, with sops 3.5 cleared already, over 25m cleared, add in 20m under w/ carry-over, not inclding d-jax, who most likely will get extended, should be able to get some good free agents

        • theycallmerob

          who is out there? Just looking at this site, it doesn’t seem like much beyond some basic role guys (which we have in spades).

          http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=WR&y=2014

          I love all your cap talk, but it’s one thing to have all that space and another to use it well.

          Of that list, I’d take a flyer on Hawkins, James Jones, and Emmanuel Sanders (assuming they all actually make it to FA next year)

          • anon

            jj doesnt, sanders probably not either considering they have no other options. sort of a depressing list.

          • cliff henny

            these guys dont even play, why pay them. guess you can extend kelce, he’s due soon. have to bring in a safety-byrd-, i’d replace ryans with younger version, kendricks and rookie in middle is scary. if let peters walk, spend it on T, always a tackle available. maclin wont be free, i’d try to resign him, specially since we’re rehabbing him. there’s money, and can pay 4th wr 1.5m instead of paying dj2s, coopers or maehle the league minimum. to turnover roster is doable next yr
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            no doubt, issue is can they get the right mix. mean, com’on howie, next 5 yrs depends on jan-april. they mess up ’14 off season, be a bad team for awhile

          • anon

            Ertz being a huge bust is part of the problem. We haven’t gotten a good offensive skill player in a long time. And we’ve been so stingy in FA” that we’ve let opportunities to get good players pass us by. I really hope we don’t turn into the redskins.

          • cliff henny

            huge bust? guy played 8 games and missed all of OTAs. totally unfair to say that till this time next season

          • anon

            8 games with no flashes of playmaking ability. I understand that it might be early to tell — lots of rookies have ups and downs. But i think Kelly was really relying on having another blocker / ball catcher especially when Maclin went down. He came in, couldn’t block, couldn’t catch. I think he’s gotten better at catching, but i don’t see him using his size to dominate smaller players. That’s what i mean.

          • Dutch

            Eagles could have had Kiko Alonso playing linebacker instead of Ertz with that second round pick.

          • Dutch

            Depends on what rookie you put in the middle, all defensive rookies aren’t the same. I still think putting Curry at middle linebacker is an option to get him on the field playing downhill. If you’re looking strictly for a tackling machine work him in as an interior linebacker and let him charge gaps with the intention of wrecking anything moving in the area. Curry is worth the try and definitely worth putting on the field more than 12 plays on defense a game.

          • cliff henny

            get the guy looks good, but just seems like so much f’n effort to find him a home…and at what cost to everyone around him. for now, nickle 4-down dt pass rush specialist. if he can handle that, give him more.

          • Dutch

            If you can’t find a home on the defense for a disruptive force like curry than maybe the scheme is all wrong. the eagles have come along way in stopping the run as compared to the last several years, but they are victims when it comes to backend defense against a quality QB and most any receiver with speed is going to hurt them and severely.

            Speed kills this defense.

          • anon

            why can’t curry just learn to two gap so he can play? i think taking soap out of the equation is an endorsement. but if teams see he can’t run block they just run right past him or leave him unblocked as the read option defender.

            MLB needs to be a leader i think that’s too much for his shoulders. it would have been nice if he was behind cole.

          • Dutch

            Personally as I’ve seen curry I have yet to see where he’s a liability against the run game, the object of 2 gap is not to just flat out kill the QB, which has been what hurts the Eagles this year but to delay your rush to prevent the run, thus you get guys that get the ball out on short crossing routes that absolutely kills the Eagles back end defenders. Good examples are Phillip Rivers and the Chargers, and Manning and the Broncos.

            You can’t complain your defensive line isn’t getting pressure when they are schemed to 2 gap, and Curry and Cox were never drafted with the idea to 2 gap, that’s not where each strength lies. They are better suited at this point to be offered for valuable trade picks and put in systems to take advantage of their talents. Ryan at MLB, or one of them is an excellent leader but he’s not that great a linebacker and misses to many tackles and takes horrible angles to the play.

            If you’re going to 2 gap you definitely need linebackers to support that scheme who can play down hill and make critical plays on the way to the ball that may include taking out offensive linemen and neither Ryan or Kendricks is consistent or projects fear in blowing up rushing lanes.

          • theycallmerob

            That sounds great in a vacuum. Somehow we luck into getting Byrd, a quality T, a WR (showed you the list), and a MLB upgrade? Are no other teams investing in FA this year?

            WR and OLB have to come from draft; teams don’t let those good players walk too often.

          • Andy124

            I’m sure we can find another gem coming off an ACL injury willing to sign a cap friendly deal.

          • cliff henny

            tackle, can extend peters. guy is coming off achilles, no small deal for 330+lb man. maybe he’ll get back to form in 2nd half, not that he’s bad right now, just used to alot more from him.
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            wr..Maclin, hope he gives us a yr, can draft a guy too. why i’m not huge on trading away farm for qb.
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            might have to open up Jeffie wallett alittle…hope his mommy’s trust fund manager allows it. not every team has same holes, not every team has same money. i’m not saying they nee #1 guy from every free agent position, but plenty of money to go around and spend wisely.
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            safety…think we all agree, byrd or ward…mean, this needs done.

          • theycallmerob

            again, take a look at that list. not many FA’s out there. High demand. And I dunno about counting on Peters and Maclin to come in a play at a high(er) level next year. Tired of taking fliers on guys.
            Just playing devils advocate. i love having all that room, but not to just throw money at bums

          • cliff henny

            sure, i dont know either…but Howie should! draft’em, free agent’em, smuggl’em in from the congo…i dont give a ratzass, all i know is this team better look alot different in 10 months than today.

          • Dutch

            Maclin is gone, he’s unrestricted after the season, a season he sat out because of an ACL, It’s doubtful you see him in an Eagles uniform again.

          • cliff henny

            ACLs dont scare kelly. he might give 1 yr discount with thinking, like we all say, ‘man, imagine the numbers i’d be putting up’. use those to cash-in after 1 yr removed from injury. only a possibility. wouldnt bank on it.

          • Dutch

            They may not, but why would Maclin forgo trying his hand at the open market? Whomever signs him will put him through the same conditioning test to test his knee and it’s obvious the Eagles will be transitioning this and next season. I wouldn’t bet on Maclin returning with any expectations of a hometown discount he would be working against his financial interest.

          • pjcostello

            Jeff Lurie has ALWAYS opened the purse for whomever his football people wanted to bring in, from Jon Runyan to Jevon Kearse, Asante Samuel, Nnamdi, and the list goes on… While you could make an argument that the Eagles haven’t selected the best FAs, I don’t think you can say that they’re cheap. They definitely not cheap.

          • Will

            D J Campble Saftey…cut by Panters hamstring in September…Safety Kerry Rhodes…1-2 year deal…If one more person starts spouting how great Nate Allen is I’m gonna puke…DOVA has him in pink meaning upgrade position…Contract year so he’s trying a little fool’s gold…

          • pjcostello

            If you put a gun to my head and told me to pick two guys from that list, I’d go with Emmanuel Sanders and Danario Alexander. James Jones in GB has always been erractic, both running routes and actually catching the ball (for my taste, anyway).

        • 1972

          everybody Except ryans. him and sconces seem to be the leaders on defense. that goes along way with me. he’s slow, but he can tackle and stop the run. Kinda like trotter late in his career.
          Lack of leadership is a serious issue with this team.
          Vick and Jackson cant be the leaders of your offense.
          Vicks hurt too often and Jacksons a whiner who checks out when things aren’t going well.

      • jabostick

        I’m an Avant homer so feel free to take this with a grain of salt but he’s dependable, seems to get open on 3rd down, has good hands… I’d look to upgrade a lot of other spots before him.

        • cliff henny

          releasing him frees up 3.2m. he’s owed 3.9m, only 700k to release. with you, avant homer, but not sure he’s worth 4m, and 3.2m plus celeks 4m, and benn 1m get you byrd…i dont know about you, but i’m doing that trade in a second

          • anon

            where are you going to get a WR1/2 and a TE1/2?

          • cliff henny

            TE, Ertz has to step up. celek is basically a blocking tight end, they are udfa or league minimum guys…not 4m guys
            .
            Benn, doesnt even play, his 1m is free money
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            Avant, is 3rd wrd, where are you getting he’s 1/2…at some point, howie does have to draft these cats. cant just go on and on and on because we like them. extend d-jax, see where maclin’s head is at or other free agents. that robinson kid out of penn state in 2nd would look great as compliment. slot receivers can be found in back half of draft. other teams seem to do this crap all the time, about time eagles do too. watch wake forest game, kid named campenello is 7th rounder…dude makes plays all game with garbage qb and double covered.

          • 1972

            Maclin on a one year incentive based contract is a good number 2, the number 1 is a crap shoot. gotta draft him. And ertz better be ready to be our number 1 TE next year..

          • Dutch

            I think the next time you see Maclin he will be in a Kansas City Chiefs Uniform opposite Dewayne Bowe

          • 1972

            Damn!! that hurts.

          • pjcostello

            Maybe, but he’d be wasted there.. look at Bowe’s numbers this year, they suck. They’re not a downfield team, and would waste money on Maclin (IMHO).

          • jabostick

            Look at you and your ‘facts’.

            Yeah his contract needs re-tooling. I’m sure those numbers were added in to inflate the total value when he signed it originally… Lots of guys look better but end up not staying healthy, not playing up to potential, etc. I just think he’s worth having on the team. If he was cut, I bet you would have a line up to sign him

            Celek, on the other hand, I think is more replaceable.

          • cliff henny

            sure, every nfl contract get a little rough at the back end. if he wants to restructure, that’s great. i felt this summer we needed upgrade at slot, another yr on avant isnt going to make me feel any different. 4th or 5th wr, great, those guys dont get paid 4m, cooper, maehl and dj2 make 700k each

          • Wilbert M.

            C’mon, Avant is basically half a slot receiver, based on the NFL today. He might get open, but that’s it. Welker, Amendola (former eagle), and most others actually run and gain yards after catching the ball. He’s been a good Eagle and he’s gotten a lot out of a little athleticism, but he should be a 5th WR and that’s not a good fit because you want your 5th WR playing special teams.

            And don’t get me started about Damaris Johnson! A total waste of a roster spot. He’s SLOW and sucks as a returner. I curse all of the reporters saying “Damaris looks great in camp and will have a major role in this offense.”

      • Wilbert M.

        They’re not my favorites!

  • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

    Confucius say…you don’t get the right players executing the plays…you get hot garbage.

  • Nah__Roots

    So essentially, we have yet to find a QB to replace McNabb.

    • anon

      yup

  • Basscase

    That whole offensive performance seemed to be Maehl’d in.

  • mtn_green

    Maybe a different scheme would allow the players to fail less. Or..

    “I gotta do a better job putting players in a position to succeed” -

    • theycallmerob

      noooooooooooooooooooooooo

    • Will

      No more scheme changes…NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO….

  • 1972

    Sheil the all 22 shows week after week plays that should be made.. Its not the coach, its Personnel!!!!!! Howie has to hit on better players next year or chips tenure will be a failure

    • Basscase

      I think we should be fair – I like the All-22s as much as the next guy, but every team has plays where they failed to execute or someone was jaw-droppingly wide open and didn’t connect.

      I like how they’re helpful in understanding schemes, mismatches, and what the coaching staff was trying to do, but I don’t want to think that this team “just” missed a couple plays and are 3-5.

      • 1972

        What im saying, is the offense isn’t ‘figured out’ like so many talking heads media and fans love to say

        • Basscase

          I think it’s “figured out” in how it works and how to stop it. Adjustments now have to be made in personnel and scheme for the current personnel. The scheme itself isn’t “useless” like some nimrods think, but the players aren’t doing what they need to do, and in some cases, the coach isn’t helping, either.

          • 1972

            Coach cant help matt barkley pull the trigger on a wide open play

      • anon

        Yeah i agree. You need playmakers. Defenses are trying to win games too — you’re not going to make every block perfectly.

        But when EVERYONE in the league knows that we’re shut down playing man to man i think that says a lot about your personnel (QB and skill players).

        • BlindChow

          Well, Dallas didn’t exactly shut down our receivers; I mean, do you think they were counting on Foles’ complete mental breakdown?

          But I agree that the fact he still couldn’t connect with wide open guys says a lot about our personnel.

          • anon

            Its QB and skill players. Plus Dallas’s D isn’t good — they gave CJ 400 yds on sunday. I know it’s CJ, but it’s 400yds.

            The fact we’re in the NFCEast makes our issues less glaring b/c we’re playing against poor competition. We might lose against EVERY team in the AFCNorth — i think that’s a more accurate statement of where we are as a team.

          • Justin

            You mean AFC West?

    • Dutch

      That’s how I see it……. the renovations at Novacare were not completed with showing Andy the door, and that’s pretty much proven by Andy’s success in Kansas City this season. Until Howie is replaced the Eagles are stuck on stupid.

  • Dutch

    Just more evidence there is a need for two dual threat QBs in Philly to make Chip’s offense click. Until we employ some real playmakers there is going to always be hesitation on this offense. God Bless DJax but there is another need for a speed receiver who can stretch defenses and be relied on to make critical plays down field.

    • EaglePete

      djax is Santana Moss v2 just hope hes not on this team as long as Moss has been on Skins, We need size at WR. Size and speed would be nice but Id take size for now, or a competent red zone WR at least opposite Djax.

      • Dutch

        Agree, but I can’t accept that 6’5 Tight Ends in Celek and Ertz aren’t big enough targets with steady hands to be threats in the rz against much smaller defenders.

        • EaglePete

          oh definitely. Maclin injury really hurts I think as well. This team will look different again next season.

        • 1972

          I see a 6’5 tight end out jumping a linebacker or safety every sunday… Celek isn’t athletic enough to be a starting tight end.
          I don’t know what ertz is yet. Maybe split him out and try a fade in the redzone with him every once in a while

  • Will

    Now the Waiver wire might be able to offer upgrades in the form of released Veteran players since trade dead line is past…Howie brings some bodies in to kick the tires….

    • Richard Colton

      that’s baseball Will.

      • Will

        No that’s football Waiver’s apply to all veterans released….. BGN article here’s a link…hope that clears the matter up for you…get to stepp’in Howie lot’s of work for you…

        http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2013/10/30/5046638/all-nfl-players-are-now-subject-to-waiver-wires-if-released

        The Eagles will have a decent shot at claiming some quality talent as the season moves forward.

        The NFL trade deadline has come and gone. For several NFL teams, players that they wanted to trade but could not get value for could now be subject to waivers. The league has already seen the practice used by the Ravens on Wednesday when they waived veterans Michael Huff and Marcus Spears. Despite being “vested veterans,” both will be subject to the waiver wires due to the end of the trade deadline.

        More: Follow Mike Kaye on Twitter
        Prior to the deadline, all veterans with four or more years of experience would simply be released and automatically become free agents. With trades no longer eligible, those veterans are now at the mercy of the waiver wire with the Jaguars and Raiders sitting pretty to collect. For the Eagles, this is not necessarily a bad thing. With a 3-4 record and last year’s struggles, Philadelphia is positioned well for the veterans released by teams.

        Over the next few days, the teams around the league are likely to drop unwanted talent, so it will be Howie Roseman’s job to search through the trash to find some treasure.

        • Richard Colton

          Nothing in that sentence made sense. Did you mean: “No, that’s football. Waivers apply to everyone now. They might be part of the new CBA. I read it on a BGN article.”?

          I’m not nit picking. You’re suggesting that the new CBA makes in-season player swaps after the deadline possible AND probable, when player for player trades during the season almost never happen? unlikely. Even less likely is us finding somebody worth while that way.

          • Will

            I think faster than I type 1000′s pardon’s….

          • Will

            Foles and this Offense better bring their A game against Oakland they have their work cut out for them. The Defense should have it’s hands full as well this week.

          • Richard Colton

            im not ripping you, I’m trying to figure it out. I personally don’t ever see a waiver wire system like baseball in football. Players are traded off season. tough to bring a guy in mid year that doesn’t know the system and expect him to compete for a job.

          • pjcostello

            True for many positions, though — don’t you think either Michael Huff or Marcus Spears would help out the defense? :-) Waiver claims let you add veteran depth, while the veteran learns the nuances he needs to in order to perform in your specific system.

          • Richard Colton

            I’ll reserve judgement until I see it work once.

          • Loke1988

            Nobody cares about you F’ing judgements. Perhaps you could shove them up your?

          • Richard Colton

            four days later? this isn’t working for you, is it?

          • Will

            No harm, no foul, no big deal, don’t sweat the small stuff…

          • Richard Colton

            you trying to jinx us with the new avatar?!?!

  • 1972

    http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2013/10/booooooooooooo.html
    Check that out if you didn’t watch the game, and tell me you still want this front running loser as your starting number 1 WR.
    Eagle fans love him because he’s the most talented WR we’ve drafted in last 30 years.
    Unfortunately that doesn’t make him great. He’s a fast player that doesn’t work hard enough to get open in the read zone and doesn’t fight for yardage. I was told he’s owed 12 mil??? 12 mil gets that first down

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    “The unblocked defender can crash every time when the QB doesn’t pose a threat.”

    Yeah. There were some All-22 with Foles that showed the same thing..defenders were just like “awww that’s cute” when on plays where Foles had the option (or seemed to have the option) to keep or hand off.

    In fairness to Kelly though while the run game isn’t as explosive with a non-mobile QB, if McCoy or Brown would do as Kelly suggests (line gives you 2 back gives you 2), keep their head down and hit the hole, they still would move the ball well…not exciting, but nice hard dirty yards. 1st and 10 become 2nd and 6 which will turn into 3rd and 2. Very manageable.

    I think of all the RBs Polk does that sort of thing best.

  • John J. King

    Shocking that the same players who went 4-12 last year are no better now than they were then. I blame George Bush.

  • Will

    We so need a QB to run this scheme the right way…next years 1st pick will say a lot, this year Chip gets his feet wet , figures out what he has as a team. Then next season goes and gets the player’s he needs to make this work.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Jameis

      • Andy124

        Jameis won’t be available until the 2015 draft. I think it’s plausible that the Eagles go with Foles/Barkley next year and wait till 2015 to spend a high pick on a QB if necessary.

        • G_WallyHunter

          Ya, I’d like to see them get him 2015, I meant 2015, not next year. Maybe go 7-9 this year and 3-13 next..

          • Andy124

            If that happens I think we’d be looking for a new coach. A 6 win regression in the coach’s second year with a lot more of “his players” on the roster?

          • G_WallyHunter

            But without a QB? When everyone knows the team, especially a CK team, needs that difference-maker QB..

          • Andy124

            But without a QB?
            Your theory puts them at 7 wins this year. Who’s playing QB? Same guy leading them to 3 wins all of next year?

          • G_WallyHunter

            I just meant I don’t see them getting rid of CK after 2 years without a solid, stable QB… You said Kelly would likely be gone after 2 seasons like that. He may have more of his players, but not his conductor.

            I haven’t yet thought about how Eagles get 3 wins next year.
            All I’m thinking is they won’t be in the top 3 picks this year, so here’s to hoping they can make it into them next year for a chance at Jameis in 2015….
            What about a trade for Pryor?
            Oakland needs A LOT of help, do you think they’d part with Pryor for other needs?

          • Andy124

            I don’t think Oakland would have any interest in trading him. Outside of the pics, he’s actually passing the ball pretty well, and pics are something you accept out of a young QB… unless you’re in Philly and the young QB isn’t your pre-determined preference.

            And I don’t think the Eagles would be interested in trading for him. They’re going to look to develop FolesBarkleyDraft Pick(2014 or 2015).

  • Addicted2Mula

    This has nothing to do with it but everytime a player says something wrong in OS eagles have a bad season. Vince with “dream team” and now Cooper using the ~N~ word.

  • Token

    I see the Sixers cant even lose right. Ugh. This city is just doomed when it comes to sports.

  • Loke1988

    Let’s not “Spread the blame around” Sheil and instead pin it on Kelly. The majority of the players you are dissecting are players he picked: Johnson (Total Raw Work in Progress) at 4 and he brought in that scrub Maehl (No offense Jeff) from Oregon. Really a #5 receiver who can’t block?? Casey, Barkley, Ertz??

    Also Kelly is the one not giving Barkley the “Option” to run at least once to stop the destruction of the running game. The blame for what we’ve seen falls squarely on Chippah’s shoulders. You did such a fine job af condemning Fole’s last week but I’m guessing that doesn’t hinder media access so I digress.

  • http://YoBitch.com/ Enslaved Meth Cook

    i hate it when QBs dont throw the ball when someone is open even more so when they have 2 open guys one for a 1st and one for a TD!! smfh…