Source: Vinny Curry Not Being Shopped

Eagles DE Vinny Curry helmet off at practice looking at cameraA report earlier today from NFL Network stated that Eagles defensive lineman Vinny Curry was being made available to teams as the 4 p.m. trade deadline approaches.

According to a team source, the Eagles are not shopping Curry but have fielded phone calls from teams interested in the 25-year-old. A deal is unlikely.

Curry’s agent told Birds 24/7 back in September that he was open to a trade.


“Vinny’s main objective is to play and play at a high level,” said Kevin Connor.  “The question becomes, can that happen in Philly or do we need to facilitate an opportunity outside of Philly if it makes sense for all parties.”

That was at the beginning of the season when Curry wasn't getting onto the field. He is now part of the Eagles' defensive line rotation on game day. His number of snaps increased for five straight weeks, topping at 26 against the Cowboys, before falling down to 12 this week against a Giants team that stayed largely in a base formation.

The Neptune City, New Jersey native may be more of an ideal fit as an end in a 4-3, but seems to have found a niche as an interior pass rusher in Bill Davis' scheme. He has two sacks and five hurries through eight games.

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  • usmcnole

    This would be dumb….don’t do it

  • cliff henny

    what else are they supposed to say? admit to it, and cant get deal done, have a ticked off player…and always better to slow play multiple offers, so yes, act like you want him.

    • Adam

      The same source who leaked this said that it wasn’t the Eagles shopping him, but an AFC East team calling and asking about him. They’d be dumb not to listen. Where does he fit in the future? Tough to tell.. do you keep him around as rotational guy or do you take snaps away from Thornton?

      I wouldn’t take lower than what we paid for him.

      • Justin

        My thoughts exactly. If we get offered a second for him (Or a first, I can dream, right?), I think we pull the trigger.

        • cliff henny

          1st? i’ll drive up from SC to help Curry pack

          • Justin

            Like I said, I can dream, right?

          • cliff henny

            if someone offered a 3rd, i’d pull a billy beane and hang up mid sentence

          • Justin

            Yeah, I don’t think I’d take anything worse than maybe a mid second rounder.

          • 1972

            I like curry but he doesn’t play enough, we need picks, I take the 3rd rounder

      • ztom6

        Thornton may well move to NT in the future if they want to make room for Curry.

  • JofreyRice

    I’d rather see them keep Curry in his current role this year, have him on Jenny Craig in the offseason, and use him as an OLB next year. He looks like he’s being shot out of a cannon against Guards. Without a passrusher on the edge, and needing a QB in the draft, you can’t afford to give away guys that have shown that skill. Even if he’s not good enough to start at OLB, he could give you some quality depth.

    • cliff henny

      wasnt enough we have 2 d-ends playing OLB, you want DT’s? i hate converting guys. think if you get a 3rd, can draft (ugh, howie) an OLB.

      • JofreyRice

        I think they are both gone. When they cut Chris McCoy, they mentioned something about Curry playing OLB, if need be. He’s really not a 3-4 DE, anyway. They clearly don’t trust him in run formations at all.

        You may step in something in the third round with a rush LB, but those guys are coveted, especially with so many squads running 3-4 looks, now. If you have a guy on the roster that may fit the bill, I’d try him there first–rather than have him as a guy who plays 12 snaps if a team stays in their base D.

        • cliff henny

          already not playing 1 high rd draft pick at olb in graham, why have 2? howie has been warning us about curry types for 6 months, good players, probably do well somewhere else, just not a fit here.

          • Token

            Curry has higher upside as a OLB than Graham does. Higher upside overall regardless of position.

            If im trading one of those guy, its Graham.

          • cliff henny

            $…wont happen. curry 600k dead, graham 5m. plus, what idiot would take on graham’s contract?

          • JofreyRice

          • cliff henny

            they cant even draft players in ’14 at this point

            http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Cowboys&Year=2014

          • Token

            Didnt say someone would.

            But hes gone after this year anyway. The dead money is irrelevant. They arent gonna keep him 3 more years just to avoid that inevitable hit. Its the same as his cap value next year.

          • cliff henny

            who graham? he stays thru ’14. 3m sal, 3m dead. can be expensive backup 1 more season. same with cole.

          • Token

            You arent thinking about it right. Coles salary is over 6.6 mil. its 4.8 to cut him. You have a net gain of 2 million. Theres zero chance hes back IMO.

            Graham may stay. Depends on what they think of him. But I dont think the money is the issue. They have 20 mil in cap right now. And thats before offloading guys like Vick and maybe Peters.

          • cliff henny

            have to pay someone to replace him. guys dont play for free. is cole’s production vs what he brings worth 1.8m. they ride it out another yr.

          • Token

            lol ok agree to disagree. I give in.

          • cliff henny

            would you pay 1.8m for situational nickle pass rusher? 5m dead is alot…considering that they are paying soap 3.5m…lordy he’s garbage

          • Token

            Hes not a pass rusher. Thats where our arguments differ. he cant get to the QB. Period. You are saying youd pay for dead wood. This team has to stop doing that. This offseason needs to be about purging all the crap off this roster that should have been sent packing last year.

            Maybe Chips ego will be settled down enough by then and he will know he cant just coach up every player.

          • cliff henny

            i’d said they ride out contracts, not advocating continued massive playing time. definitely want true olb in draft. make them 4th or 5th on depth charts. cole might have more in tank if he just played on 3rd and longs. already doing it with graham, so what’s another yr?

          • JofreyRice

            I dunno Cliff, you’re talking about a guy that’s not getting pressure when matched up against TE’s and backs, now being asked to come in and beat LT’s like he did in his heyday. I understand your argument, that since Howie structured this contract with all this dead money, you might as well get something for what he’s on the books for, but with 5 sacks in his past 24 games, I don’t think passrushing is his specialty.

          • cliff henny

            seriously, i’d just splinter his ass. made 1 mistake giving contract, dont make 2nd eating big dead. it’s not the dead money, well it is alot, but cutting them gives no relief. is cole worth what a 1.8m d-end/olb backup brings.

          • JofreyRice

            whooo boy, Howie did a jam up job there. Holy cow. They have to pay Cole 4 mil to walk away? Don’t tell me they have to pay Herremans money to walk away, too. People hated on Joe Banner b/c he avoided these over 30 players like the plague, but you can see they just fall off a cliff. Howie has not seemed to mind bringing in and extening older guys.

            Banner just needed to know when to make an exception–such as in the case of Brian Dawkins. He was committed to his philosophy to a fault.

          • cliff henny

            yup, herrmanns is 4.2 cap, 3.6m to walk. i’d just have a reaaaally expensive bench, ’15 he goes up to 5.2m, only 2.4m dead. it’s not just the dead money, but can you get similar talent as herrmanns for 600k. that’s 5th rd rookie money. tour de france cole, herrmanns and graham…ride those bad contracts out

          • JofreyRice

            Wow. Well, at least they have plenty of cap space to absorb all these bad contracts for declining players and guys that will be riding the bench soon. They’re paying Nnamdi 4 mil right now, to play for the 49ers, I can’t see them shelling out 8m to Herremans and Cole to walk away, too. Gotta get them to the bench, though. Find a way to get useful players in there.

          • cliff henny

            like avant is 3.9m cap, 700k cut…think eagles can find a slot recr for 3.2m? even howie might. but nnamdi would have made 15m, so 11m…basically c-will and fletcher for namdi

          • theycallmerob

            For 1 year, I wouldn’t mind Herremans in the Barbre role (spot starter at 3, maybe 4 positions). Not the worst thing in the world for that $, at least I’d take that over him starting. Same with Cole- although I think he will be gone, a situational rusher might be all he is next year. But of those 3 Cliff listed, I’d think Trent is the most likely candidate to get released.

          • Token

            I just dont think thats the right strategy.

            You look at it like this…. 1. you are keeping bad players. Thats right there should be enough. You cant rebuild like that.

            Nobody is factoring in that these bad players with bad contracts still take up a valuable spot on a 53 man roster. A spot that could go to a young draft pick or UDFA. You throw away a chance at finding better talent.

            Cut all the mistakes in one move. Take the hit all in one year and move forward.

            The big question in all this….. Even if Lurie overlooks Howies lack of ability to do his job, which it seems like he has to be doing. When will Lurie get tired of seeing his money thrown out the window for no good reason?

          • RIP illa

            Been arguing these exact points all year and specifically w/ aub32. 100% correct. Plus Banner would also see potential in a player, under contract, and sign them to a new contract before their deal was up, and for cheaper than what they would get if they panned out and tested the open market. Banner was a cap genius. Howie…not so much.

          • Token

            Yea your right about that. People hated Banner for that stuff. But it was the right decision 99% of the time. Its a young mans game. QB is the one exception. Well and magician long snappers, they should be good to go well past 30.

            Looking at some numbers….. here is what they could be looking at in dead money, to get players off the team. I assume Jackson will be restructured even tho I think thats dumb, but just threw that number in there for arguments sake.

            DeSean Jackson – 6M dead money
            James Casey – 1M, about 5M wasted in total
            Todd Herremans – 3.6M
            Isaac Sopoaga – 1M
            Trent Cole – 4.8M
            Graham – 3.4M
            Cary Williams – 3.3M
            Patrick Chung – 1M

            24.1 MILLION of dead money if you were to get rid of all those guys. And they all warrant being jettisoned IMO. At some point you gotta bite the bullet and purge this thing.

            Now the good news, I guess, is that much of this is sort of made up for by getting rid of guys like Vick, Peters and Celek who all would have no dead money.

            So to the Howie brigade that would like to point to the cap being his strong suit, eh. You can hide from cap problems by keeping bad players longer than you should to lessen the dead money hit. But that doesnt make the contract any less bad.

          • cliff henny

            ryans is no dead money next yr. d-jax will get extended. williams is in the after ’14 cuts, he’s only 1.5m then. why you dont cut all these guys like you want. avant 3.9m 700k dead, ceelek 4m, no dead, agree with chung and casey. ryans has to renego or get cut, same with peters (10m no dead, prefer extending him too). benn also counts as 1m no dead. just those moves gets 25m freed with very little dead money…and can turnover a bunch of those 600k-800k guys.

          • Token

            Like I said, you sure can not cut them all at once. But you are simply keeping bad players just do you can lessen the cap hit THIS coming year.

            For a rebuilding team especially, thats a awful practice.

            Your right about Ryans, ill edit that.

            That helps though. Gets rid of a big chunk of money to offset the dumping of the other trash.

            Getting rid of all these guys is absolutly doable next year and really wouldnt hurt the cap all that much when you look at what you are offsetting.

            If this garbage is never purged we will never step forward.

          • cliff henny

            one that really causes stir is peters, 10m no dead. just him ryans celek avant and benn…thats 25m to the 20m existing. sit herrmann, cole, graham, and with william coming off, ’15 will have a ton too. if done right, by ed of ’15 draft, this team should be fine…just ave to get there without eagles fans getting so fustrated we rip eachothers heads off

          • Token

            See my post below.

            Just dont get why youd do it. Theres more than enough space to take the hit now and be done. Try to get better players in those roster spots.

            Save them for 2015 just so you can go into the year with 20M in cap space again?

          • cliff henny

            need some cap space to sign draft picks, about 10m. last thing you want is needing to restructure bloated contracts to get under. it’s just wasting money. Herrmann is a good enough backup, cole can play…its not a case of watdkins who just sucked or nnamdi where they saved 11m. as long as housecleaning is done by ’15 draft, i’ll be happy. dont see how 2 more guys no bench, graham is already riding pine-so they are willing to do it, would hurt team. heck, de-activate them for all i care.
            .
            sure will go 1000 rounds over next 10 months

          • nicksaenz1

            I think Graham’s gone after the year, less of a dead money hit than Cole, 3.5 to 4.8. Cole is gone after ’14 when it’s pay him 11mil or eat 3.2. Keep Curry, let him drop to 255-260 and see if he can give Cole a run for the job as well as a drafted rookie, or even Kruger if he’s not playing 5-tech.

          • 1972

            trade both. neither one gets enough snaps to be a factor

          • Token

            Who is getting snaps next year though? Cole wont be here.

            Id like to get a rookie that can play. But maybe Curry would make a could backup there.

          • cliff henny

            cole isnt going anywhere till after ’14. 6.6m sal vs 4.8 dead. he can be specialty nickle lineman for a yr.

          • 1972

            neither guy can play outside linebacker. I would try curry on the other side of cox, but grahams too small and I would definitely move him

          • Token

            You would sit down Thornton?

            No way.

          • JofreyRice

            Do you think Cole’s salary has to do with him getting snaps over Graham? I don’t see the OLB responsibilities as equal. By snap count, Barwin drops in coverage about 3x more than Cole does. Graham’s a backup to Barwin in name–but I think the responsibilities associated with Cole’s side match his skills more closely than Barwin. I don’t think he’ll get a chance to do what he does best, as long as they’re paying Cole 6 mil or whatever to start.

          • cliff henny

            no, i see their contract making it a competition between those 2 and cole won. and yes, i’m about as confused by olbs as most. hope they draft 1, move cole and graham to d-line sub packages. assume both are gone after ’14

          • JofreyRice

            Wow, the numbers mean they probably stick in ’14? I don’t know how you could go into the season with Trent Cole starting at ROLB again.

          • Token

            Hes assuming they wont cut him because of the amount of dead money.

            I think its not a factor. Cole wont be a backup and theres no way hes starting again. He will be cut early in the offseason.

          • JofreyRice

            You know I’m a big fan of Trent Cole, but he’s been close but no cigar now for 2 years. Supposedly it was his hand or whatever that was broken last year. Look, it happens to everyone. He’s been decent against the run as an OLB, but you just can’t have a guy that doesn’t produce any pressure at the premier passrushing spot in the system.

            The linemen are two gapping specifically to maximize the ability of the OLBs to flow to the ball, at QB or RB, and make plays. A few bright spots aside, that time has passed for Trent. Maybe Curry can’t do it either, but I like the idea of trying him there rather than having Howie take a 3rd round flier on a guy that will be expected to start.

          • Token

            Having Cole in the mix does no good for anyone going forward. Its in a way like Vick. You gotta get rid of the guy to really move forward at the position. If Trent Cole is here making 6.6 mil hes starting. Thats why im almost positive hes gone. Hes cooked.

            They must have the two most unproductive 3-4 OLBs in the NFL right now. Just no pressure. Barwin can only get to the QB when the other team forgets to block him. They desperately need atleast one guy at that spot that can get to the QB and cause problems.

          • RIP illa

            Can Curry play the position…sure, but he won’t be the effective force we need on the outside, especially from a pass rushing standpoint. Read my reply to ztom6. He won’t be what we need and that’s not even factoring the coverage responsibilities which you already mentioned.

    • Token

      good idea. Wonder why they didnt go that route from the start instead of having him bulk up to try and play end. He has that great first step. And he seems to be a strong kid. Two great qualities in a rush OLB. He only has to be slightly proficient in dropping back.

      • JofreyRice

        Provided they don’t have him running down the seam covering TE’s. Which is weird, because it’s not something Dick Lebeau asks Lamarr Woodley, or asked James Harrison to do often–as good as Harrison was in coverage. Their ILB’s do that kind of thing.

      • BlindChow

        Azzinaro coached him at Marshall. He probably knew what Curry could do and wanted to see him as a lineman instead of a LB.

        • JofreyRice

          meaning, you think Azzinaro doesn’t think Curry can be a linebacker?

          • Adam

            If I had to guess I think it was just more the log jam at OLB than ability. Better chance to get him on the field as a DE.

          • JofreyRice

            that was my read as well. Even as a second rounder, he’s low man on the totem pole with Cole and Graham–with all three having similar skills.

      • ztom6

        Because he’s not athletic enough to be an LB, no matter how much weight he loses.

        • RIP illa

          Completely true! That’s was the knock on his game coming into his draft year. Explosive get off but lacks the agility and bend as and somewhat speed to be an outside rusher. Going against Gs he has an advantage all day long as he has that explosive get off and violent hands and is way quicker and faster than most interior rushers. But trying to move him to the outside while standing up and you most likey are watching Trent Cole jr. Just being in that positin alone, being further away from the QB and w/ tackles kicking back is losing valuable time to get to the QB for him. Then w/ the lack of bend, but coupled w/ his quick get off, all a tackle would have to do on most plays is usher him up field past the QB. Love me some Curry, but as an interior rusher.

    • ztom6

      I think Curry can be a starting DE next year with Thornton as the NT.

      • cliff henny

        so you want ryans making tackles 8 yds downfield instead of 5?

        • ztom6

          I don’t know what run defense you are watching, but the Eagles current DL is good at playing the run. Thornton has been grading out as one of the better run defenders in the league and has been getting his share of snaps at NT already. Curry doesn’t look terrible 2 gapping, he just looks raw. There are some plays where he destroys the OL in front of him, just needs to work on reading the play.

        • theycallmerob

          I don’t get your comment….Curry has shown vast improvement against the run already, a full year 2gapping should help with the run defense. Also, he can be shaded by the OLB in Barwin’s role (having Curry and the predator on the same side might lead to those issues).

          I’d still prefer him on the DL. His burst is his biggest strength, and that would be lost if he’s a few yards away from the Tackles as an OLB. Cox-Thornton-Curry wouldn’t be bad.

          • cliff henny

            you watched him-ryans- play behind soap? if a guard gets to ryans, he gets blown away. i get curry has improved, but square pegging round holing guys is not the way to go. give me a 3rd, get 3-4 de or olb and lets move on. good guy, nice player, but not in philly. stinks, happens all the time. thornton is playing well at d-end, now he wants to move another guy out of his main position to make room for a maybe guy…how about shotgun shakes down logans throat, get him the be competent NT and leave thornton where he is.

          • theycallmerob

            I’m not advocating keeping him no matter what; I just didn’t see a deal happening (and with about 15 min left, don’t think it will). More of a “if he were to stay, this is what i would do” scenario.
            And again, I’m not advocating moving Thornton…but maybe Logan or Krueger (!!!) show up at DE next year, and Thornton grows into a solid NT. i do think there’s a lot of flexibility with those DL, and we’ll probably always have some 4man looks in the future. I think we need an upgrade at NT, but not necessarily one of those man-eaters. And Thornton has showed some chops the few snaps he’s had.

          • Andy124

            Let’s just hope Thorton doesn’t pull a Dixon.

          • theycallmerob

            But Thornton seems to have that one key trait….tip of my tongue….almost…..wait, that’s it- talent.

          • cliff henny

            d-line is fine, except for soap. he should be cut while showering after last game with dallas. agree, have plenty of pieces without figuring out curry.

          • theycallmerob

            from your mouth to Belichick’s ears- just got a 5th for Soap and our 6th.
            Take that, Howie Haters!

          • cliff henny

            lolololo!!!!!!!!!! really? i hate that guy! hooooooooweeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • theycallmerob

            yup. refresh your 24/7 page.

            that news right there deserves a beer. be right back…

          • cliff henny

            6 months ago i liked howie…i blame j-rice and token

          • Andy124

            <– Day late and a dollar short.

          • cliff henny

            soap was getting to ’12 coleman level hate for me…only one step beyond that…nnamdi hate.

  • GEAGLE

    Curry isn’t going anywhere…I promise!!!

    • cliff henny

      downvoted you, just to see how much fun it was…and it was

      • Andy124

        I downvoted you, just to see how much fun it was… and I didn’t enjoy it at all. Made me feel dirty.

        • cliff henny

          bam, right back at ya! not the same as DV’g Geagle

  • Will

    Vinny loves the Eagles and he is a Fan favorite. Depending on who’s involved the AFC East may be better for Curry in the right system. Ultimately I want what’s best for Curry. When I think about this can’t help but remember Chris Clemons the DE for Seattle who never caught on here.

    • cliff henny

      F Curry, i want a 2nd or 3rd rounder that’ll see the field.

      • Will

        Is it Curry fault they drafted him high and nevered used him? Then switch to a 3-4. I want a full time proven player with an upside, Center, FS, NT ….

        • cliff henny

          meant future 2nd or 3rd rd. dont want Curry playing in Siberia, sure he’ll be fine, eagles need top draft talent that sees field.

          • Will

            Could upgrade at several position today jettison Graham, Curry, for player’s to start on either Defensive or Offensive Lines. A Free Safety would make my day!

          • 1972

            or a legit outside lb to take snaps from cole.
            safety or olb

          • Will

            If you go OLB might as well send Trent Cole in a deal along with Curry, Graham nothing wrong with any of them just not a 3-4 fit…we need upgrades all along the board..

          • 1972

            Cole is done. He has zero value at this point. I would love to move cole

          • cliff henny

            or…G, slot rec, #2 wr, NT, ILB, CB, K, punt returner…

          • Adam

            When has this ever happened? Player for player trades are beyond rare in the NFL, let alone starters. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment. The only way we get starters at the deadline is by giving up draft picks, and that’s just not gonna happen.

          • Loke1988

            Thats what a real GM would have done this year. Jettisoned guys for draft picks and started the young QB’s but Jeffrey couldn’t endure the empty seats.

      • Loke1988

        Right cause Curry has something to do with that…SMH

  • 1972

    Good player that doesn’t fit the system. Ground hog day

  • Will

    AFC East wonder if it’s with the Bills for Jairus Byrd? Vinny Curry opposite Mario Williams at DE? Dead line 2 hours and 20 minutes we will know soon enough.

  • Loke1988

    I’d bet this is not a case of the Eagles shopping him other teams realizing what we have and trying to take him away. What a shame to have an impact D lineman with a home grown passion and they can’t find a way to get him on the field more often. Reminds me a of Raheem Brook the guy we didn’t have enough money to sign that went on and played for years with the Colts.