King: Eagles NFL’s Biggest Disappointment

kelly_400_102813The Eagles have managed just three points offensively in their last eight quarters. And that has led to a bevy of criticism against Chip Kelly – both locally and nationally.

The latest to chime in is Peter King. In his MMQB column, King called the Eagles, and the offense in particular, the NFL’s biggest disappointment at this point in the season.

I think the Eagles have to be the disappointment of the season. The offense in particular. They do nothing well. In the last two weeks, they’ve had 25 drives in two home games, against the Cowboys and Giants … and scored one field goal and no offensive touchdowns. A Chip Kelly team first and foremost has to have consistency and efficiency at quarterback, and Philadelphia hasn’t had that all season. Which is why I think Michael Vick isn’t back next year, and why I think Kelly probably drafts a quarterback high. The Eagles, by the way, have lost 10 straight at home, by an average of 9.9 points per game.

Bill Barnwell of Grantland suggests the issue is not on Kelly. It’s on the quarterback:

I think that’s the biggest difference between what Kelly was able to do at Oregon and what he might need to do to succeed in the long term in Philadelphia: His offense will require a good quarterback. At Oregon, Kelly basically ran through a series of middling options at quarterback and got great work from just about everybody he tried: Dennis Dixon, Jeremiah Masoli, and Darron Thomas all had success with Kelly as relatively unheralded (or, in Dixon’s case, relatively unsuccessful) options at quarterback. Marcus Mariota was a three-star recruit coming out of Hawaii, but he was the most productive quarterback Kelly had at Oregon, and that was as an 18-year-old redshirt freshman.

At the professional level, the windows Kelly’s offense creates are smaller, and the decision-making his quarterback needs to perform has to be done faster and more reliably than the speed at which his current options operate. Foles misses too many big plays. Vick holds on to the ball too long and isn’t accurate. Barkley is a project at best. Philadelphia’s quarterback of the future — the guy who will eventually prove whether the Kelly offense can sink or swim in Philadelphia — isn’t on the roster right now.

Chris Burke of SI.com weighs in on where things stand with the Eagles:

The schedule does not ease at all, though, in the coming weeks. Philadelphia travels next week to take on an Oakland team that’s better than expected, before heading to Green Bay. If Kelly cannot come up with some answers, at QB and on offense in general, the season could be all but lost by the time he again tries for home win No. 1 in Week 11.

Will Brinson of CBSSports.com gives the Eagles an F for their Week 8 performance:

Chip Kelly’s offense has produced exactly three points of offense in the past two weeks. That’s a major problem regardless of who’s under center: Matt Barkley, Nick Foles and Michael Vick.

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  • The Answer

    People continue to overreact based on two games…

    THE WORLD IS ENDING OH MY GOD SINK THE SHIP START ALL OVER, CHIP IS IN OVER HIS HEAD, THE SKY IS FALLING. PHIL SHERIDAN, LES BOWEN, PHIL SIMMS AND MERRIL “SEAL HERE AND A SEAL THERE IT’S AN ALLEYYY!’ HOGE ARE GENIUSES, CHIP STAANKS!

    People have literally no patience nowadays and that goes beyond sports. Take a deep breath, it’s one game in a season that if you had reasonable expectations is chugging right along. They don’t have the talent right now to be a contender without at least average QB play plain and simple. Plays are there to be made, coaches have made mistakes, it happens. Unbelievable how people have no sense of the future, only the game or incident that just happened…(see Sixers fans who don’t get the Holiday trade…what’s building for the future mean? I want an 8th seed NOW!)

    Am i disappointed in how the offense has looked the past two games? Of course! Am i bashing Chip Kelly because of it? No that would be utterly ignorant, it’s two freaking games with some of the worst quarterbacking you’ll ever see. On the bright side, the defense has markedly improved. Are they a good defense yet? No but they are climbing towards mediocrity, and with the talent level/adjustment to the new scheme that is nice progress. Are they going to get lit up again this season? Probably. But where’s all the Billy Davis & 3-4 hate? Hello?

    C’mon people, relax…. until next week.

    • OldDocRoss

      Well said. The Chip Kelly appointment has been manna from heaven for the world’s lazier sports writers since day one. All summer, any time they were stuck for something to write, they could churn out an article about whether Chip Kelly’s offense would be the greatest thing in the history of ever. Get a couple quotes from ex-players with diametrically opposing views, speak to a couple of Chip’s colleagues from college…the stuff could write itself.

      Then they have a good outing in week 1 and they overreact wildly about the revolution that is coming the way of the NFL. Now they have a couple of poor outings – which happen to coincide with injuries and atrocious play at QB – and Kelly’s offense has been found out by those wily pros after a mere eight weeks.

      The reality is Chip Kelly is a talented young coach who took over a team at the start of a rebuilding phase with questionable levels of talent in multiple positions, including the most important position on the field. Whether he will be a success in the long term remains to be seen, but anyone who views their offensive performance this season as “the biggest disappointment in the league” is suffering from either hilarious levels of misplaced optimism or a wilful ignorance of facts.

      Quality writing and analysis like you get from Sheil and Tim here, or from Barnwell on Grantland, is sadly all too rare. What’s even sadder is the number of fans who buy into the hyperbolic rhetoric each week.

      Chip’s a god, we’re going to win the Super Bowl! Wait no, he’s an idiot, sack everyone STAT!

      Whatever people. We’ve had a couple of rough weeks. It happens. Support the damn team.

      • The Answer

        “Anyone who views their offensive performance this season as “the biggest disappointment in the league” is suffering from either hilarious levels of misplaced optimism or a wilful ignorance of facts.”

        Exactly, well said.

        • Tom w

          Concur. Town of cheap lazy media and short cited drunk “fans” who let a dope in the morning preach for them

    • philliesfan136

      FUCK OFF!

    • Rick

      Well said, enough said!

    • Will

      Relax Oakland beat the Charger’s by 10. Don’t expect a win next week either. The jury is still out on Chip till he has drafted and signed his guys. Half of the team is still AR’s squad of 4-12. Gonna take a few seasons.

    • Tom w

      Very well said. Anyone w half a brain knew in may that we didn’t have a franchise qb on the roster and that our qb was in next yrs draft. Hence why I wanted to tank rather than watch a poor team and short sighted fans scream about getting maybe 7 wins. Chips offense works and we know that. Relax and let the guy get his players. Look and jimmy Johnson’s first yr or belichek in Cleveland. Everyone take lumps w a shit roster.

  • Ken

    I know we’re disappointed thus far, but the biggest disappointment? Have to imagine Redskins and Giants fans are far more disappointed in how their season’s going. None of the “experts” expected us to do well. What’s the excuse for all the other teams? Or is “Pile on Chip Kelly” just flavor of the day?

    • The Answer

      This stuff is getting out of hand seriously. None of these national writers look at the tape. If they had they would have realized that even a bad performance from Nick Foles against Dallas would have yielded 17 points. But he was absolutely horrific. And Barkley clearly is green right now. Do people think Kelly can magically make the decisions for these guys? This is why you have to be wary of who you respect in the media & what you read/hear. It’s brutal nowadays. Luckily we have Greg Cosell, Sheil, Ray Didinger and a few other Eagles writers who actually watch the tape and make relatively objective conclusions from what they see.

      • anon

        How is MB green? 4yrs at USC — should be playing better IMO. 3.5 quarters with 5 turnovers and no points!! That’s terrible.

        • The Answer

          He’s a rookie with exactly 4 quarters of NFL experience and 0 starts. No one comes into the league and doesn’t struggle, especially as a 4th rd pick. He doesn’t get first team reps plus it’s a completely new system for him. Lower your expectations. No reason to bring back Vick so even if he or Foles play well in the final 8 games, I’m still going all in for a franchise QB in the draft

          • #7

            He’s been a starter since high school. That’s basic QB’ing right there.

            He doesn’t have the athletic ability to extend plays like that. throw it away

          • anon

            Pee Wee probably.

          • anon

            5 TOs and no points. i didn’t say he should have won games, or should have put up 30 points. But we can’t even get into field goal range. I’d just expect him to have more poise.

          • #7

            Damn lol. Field goal range is becoming good for us smh

          • Matt

            Just yesterday he drove us down to the 2 yard line, and then into FG range the next drive…got no points but still drove the ball…..he’s been the most effective of the 3 QBs, by far, over the past 8 quarters, which goes to show the sad state of Eagles QBs but also the fact that the national media is making him out to be way worse than he really is right now

  • stormchaser1983

    the vick unjury is a huge blow….no matter what was being said, every game other than the denver game was competitive and winnable. Once he got injured, the offense has completely tanked.

    • Kev_H

      They had their best two scoring performances with Vick on the shelf.

      • Andy124

        I want to up-vote that, but it’s not actually accurate. Your point stands however, that the comment

        Once he got injured, the offense has completely tanked.
        is more than a little silly.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Not really. Tampa is a horrible team that played zone against an offense that will eat you alive for that.

          Dallas and Giants are winnable games (with ease) with a healthy Vick. Barkley is a rookie, so he’s going to have a bad games.

          We will see what he can do with a full week of prep. Unfortunately the Raiders aren’t exactly a gimmie as they’ve been in years past. And they will be looking to get to .500 in the first time in forever. Our defense needs to continue to show up to make this one winnable.

          • Andy124

            So just to get this straight, you’re defending the comment “Once [Vick] got injured, the offense has completely tanked”.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Yes..with the caveats I mentioned. Truthfully once the starting QB was out the offense didn’t play as well overall. This isn’t an odd statement and true for most teams. The only reason you’re making a big deal out of it is ’cause our starter is Vick.

          • Andy124

            No, it’s because it’s beyond absurd. The offense started struggling against Dallas. It was doing exceedingly well with Foles before that. Putting up 20 points in 31 minutes against the Giants is not tanking. Putting up 31 points against TB is not tanking. The original statement, and even moreso, your defense of it, is beyond laughable.

            The only reason you’re defending it is ’cause our starter was Vick.

          • Andy124

            Yeah all the talk about the O being bad prior to the Dallas game is just BS of this highest order. ~BBaaS

            But yeah, the offense tanked as soon as Vick when out. You know the Dallas game isn’t when Vick went out right?

          • #7

            Of course!! just our look the Raiders aren’t doormats anymore and have a QB that can run 100 yds for TDs

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Vick was half responsible for the Giants win. Tampa…well it’s Tampa, everyone has looked good against them

  • BR Eagles

    Déjà vu

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Except this time the injuries aren’t the OL, they are the QB. The other really, REALLY, important “unit” on the team.

      lol/smh

  • Dutch

    Chip has come along pretty good being 3 up and 5 losses at the mid way point of the season with what amounts to talent pieced together by his predecessor. I’ll be ecstatic if he wins 3 more games with this roster. However because of the weakness of the division I hold out a little hope for a run at the division.

    I like the Eagles position much better than if I were a Jaguars Fan watching Gus Bradly.

  • melodically

    Certainly a bit of a disappointment, but the NFL’s biggest? This was a 4-win team last year that is on pace to win 6 games this year. The offense has looked elite at times and god-awful at other times. The defense is finally starting to play reasonably well. I get that things are trending downward right now, but taking the whole season into consideration, there’s some reason to be optimistic.

    As for most disappointing — how about Washington or Minnesota? Houston? These teams have been way more disappointing, in my opinion.

    • The Answer

      Bingo…can’t overreact to the last two games and disregard the others.

      • Basscase

        There have been questionable calls made in every game…..it got papered over because it didn’t affect the big picture, or they won outright and they were forgotten.
        Not saying Chip should be fired, but some things you could kinda see coming.

    • Filip

      Atlanta…

  • theycallmerob

    Bless you, Barnwell. Quickly becoming one of the better writers re: all things NFL.

    I liked this quote in particular (looking at you, Hoge):

    This isn’t even up for debate; if you think the Eagles weren’t playing well on offense before the Cowboys game, you are objectively wrong, and it’s not particularly close. I’m not sure how much simpler I can make it than that.

    *edit- 2 links to 24/7 in that blurb, plus bestowing upon Sheil the title of “indispensable”. Well done, Mr. Kapadia.

    • Richard Colton

      I didn’t realize how gleefully vicious the Chip Kelly haters were until now. Makes the Vick haters and Foles haters look mild.

      • Token

        We all want Chip to work out, otherwise its just wasted time.

        But theres blind faith and then there is looking at whats in front of you and forming a opinion based on that.

        • Richard Colton

          but to go as far as to suggest that the offense wasn’t good before Dallas? Come on. That’s just dishonest.

          • Token

            Its kinda simple isnt it? NFL defense watched film and adjusted quickly. Can Chip?

            We can gloat about the offense early on. But was it great? Maybe, if overall numbers are all you factor. They bogged down at important times. Were bad in the redzone. Two giant reasons they were 1-3 even before Vick got hurt. That offense in the Giants game was ugly before Vick got injured. Kelly was panicking and called the most QB keepers we have seen all year.

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            I dont think it’s too hard to game plan against Riley Cooper and Jason Avant in the passing game. (especially with Barkley in the line up) Until they get a legitimate threat in the slot and across from DJax that can beat man coverage, this offense will have problems moving the ball in the air against good defenses. There are missing pieces to this unit. That’s a fact.

          • Token

            So we need a 100 million dollar unit to be able to function. Sounds like a bad plan to follow.

          • https://www.skinnypost.com/ GayleSaunders

            It doesn’t take 100 million to find receivers better than Riley Cooper and Jason Avant. If you’re a WR in the NFL that has issues beating man coverage on a weekly basis…you don’t have to tell us how good a receiver you are. We already know.

          • Token

            jackson cant beat man coverage on a weekly basis. Yet everyone praises him.

          • RIP illa

            Odell Beckham???

          • #7

            Dude it appears almost too easy. Those 9 guys swarming #25 have to be laughing at how easy it is to know where #25 is going before the ball is even snapped

        • theycallmerob

          Go on and read the Barnwell article, before posting about blind faith. There is simply no debate.

          • Richard Colton

            My favorite line from the story: “So, what’s happened to the Eagles over the last two games? Matt Barkley happened.”

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            LMAO!!!!!

            Oh damn….

          • #7

            Holy ish lol

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Yeah all the talk about the O being bad prior to the Dallas game is just BS of this highest order. Seriously the last two weeks are simply b/c we have a gimp, a headcase, and a rookie for QB options. Ask Houston, Vikings, Jags how having a revolving door at QB is working for them.

    • Evan

      I agree. Barnwell writes a very insightful column for football fans who are interested in that kind of thing. I got excited when I read, “As the indispensable Sheil Kapadia noted…” That’s our guy!

    • Andy124

      Awesome. And apparently, some of our posters can agree wholeheartedly with both of the following statements:

      if you think the Eagles weren’t playing well on offense before the Cowboys game, you are objectively wrong,
      AND
      Once [Vick] got injured, the offense has completely tanked

      It’s just too funny sometimes.

  • BlindChow

    Woo! NFL’s Biggest Disappointment three years running!

  • Basscase

    Per PFT, here are the results of the last 2 weeks of Eagles’ offensive drives:

    Punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, missed FG, punt, punt, FG, INT, INT, INT, INT, INT, punt, punt, punt, fumble, downs, punt, punt, punt, downs, INT.

    All at home.
    O_O

    • anon

      When you put it that way…

    • #7

      DAMN

    • knighn

      Somehow it seemed worse when I was watching it…

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      That’s painful and funny at the same time.

  • RIP illa

    Ok, let me say this so everyone can get the point. Most of us on here that are not liking the way things are going, in relation to Chip and the O, are not talking about the fact that we are losing games! Nor are we running around like chicken little, outside of the people calling for his firing or saying things like he’ll never make it at this level.

    What we are expressing, is our displeasure w/ the week in and week out head scratching situational play calls. I’m not going to type them out, I did so yesterday and since the start of the season plus numerous people have brought them up.
    Yes we expect some hiccups and learning curve. However through 8 weeks and seeing a, most of the time, inexcusable blunder at any coaching level in each week…warrants our displeasure and voicing of it.

    Seeing the O shutdown due to man coverage while bring out the same 2-3 formations and 10-12 plays drive in and drive out…warrants our displeasure and voicing of it. Seeing adjustments not being made in game, and if they are, they’re so minor that they literally make no difference…warrants our displeasure and voicing of it.

    We don’t have the talent..right??? Well then it falls more on the shoulders of the coaches to set up schemes and plays to put what little or lack of talent we have, in a position to get favorable matchups. Poor QB play…sure. Who the hell puts a gimp in to run the O. And before I get some replies about how “it was only a hammy” or it should have been healed”…play a sport people. Not one who’s ever played anything at a high competitive level dismisses hamstring injuries so casual!! Tell Miles Austin that hammies are easily healed. He’s only been dealing w/ them for about 2-3 years.

    Sorry for the tangent, I digress. Foles was getting wrecked vs Dallas. Yet we kept plugging away w/ the same shite. Come on, help the kid out! TEs should have been the focal point when he was in there, not Riley Cooper and DJax. No bunch, multiple TE sets, motion, misdirection, power formation, nothing.

    And lastly stop running GD stretches so many times!!! NFL defenses are way too athletic for that shite!!!

    Yes an increase of talent throughout all positions would help Kelly immensely. Hell it would help any coach immensely. The fact that he doesn’t have that talent level and yet still calling games as if he ever did…warrants our displeasure and voicing of it!!! I’m not off the Kelly wagon, but damn he has a lot to show and prove, and also change after the 1st 1/2 of the season.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      “Who the hell puts a gimp in to run the O.”

      lolololol.

      You know I would have been cool with the loss if Barkley had prepped all week. But from the moment Vick snapped the ball it was patently obvious he shouldn’t have been there. That was just a clusterf*ck of epic proportions from all involved.

      As far as the rest I’m giving Kelly a pass this season. He’s a rookie too. Like I’m down not down on Barkley (however if he sees a sea of green in front of him again and doesn’t take I may feel the need to curse him a bit) ’cause he’s a rookie, Kelly (mostly) gets a pass from me this year as well.

      • RIP illa

        I can dig that, however I don’t like giving passes, or should I say that I can only give them w/in reason. That’s just me being me and does in no way shape or form mean that I don’t understand or appreciate his position. I get that mistakes are going to happen, but as I said before, some of those mistakes are just too unreal for a coach like him. I’m sure he’ll learn and grow as time goes on, but come this half of the season…I would hope that we as fans will not have to see similar mishaps repeated.

    • anon

      I think he called a game for Vick. when your 3rd stringer goes in you have few plays you can run. we have no passing game so box is stuffed and our o-line is getting beat since they are running the same blocking scheme always. Can’t believe this isn’t something they had to deal w/ in college.

      • 1972

        why would you roll a left handed qb right?? SMH that goaline play was a dumb call pure and simple .Im losing faith

        • 1972

          I meant right handed left. 5pm please get here lol

      • RIP illa

        That doesn’t excuse Dallas or the more than questionable play calls through 8 games. I can understand what you’re saying though. Still All that was reported on Kelly is that he leaves nothing to chance and accounts for as many variables as possible. Vick not being 100% or that he would struggle while not being 100%, was an obvious variable that should have been accounted for. But it is what it is. Just want Chip to be better and less ridged on his plays and formations going forward. I would love to put 100% of the blame on the players and not have to worry about what our coach does and doesn’t do to add to the problem.

        • anon

          Not all CK. No one on offense is stepping up. Clearly there’s no leadership there — no one willing to put the team on their back (except probably Vick but he can’t b/c he’s on the bench for the foreseeable future).

          • RIP illa

            100% correct. I’m not here to place all the blame on CK, at all. But to excuse him of any blame is just as stupid and F’d up as the ones who place it all on him. Dude is F’n up at times. That’s all there is to it, plain and simple. And since this thread is dedicated to him, what better place to put that out there?! Not saying your doing this, but week in and week out, I can’t stand some of us on here that get all up in arms over criticism shot our team’s, player’s, and coach’s way, especially when some of it is deserved. If someone goes all “Phil Simms” w/ it…Get em!!! (Probably the dumbest analysis I’ve read to date!) But if it’s w/in reason or has merit…then there just might be something to it.

    • #7

      Damn man you put it down with this post. I’ve been going off all morning about the exact things you mentioned. People try to make their own assumptions in saying that we want him fired…NO that is not the case. We’re seeing the same crap every week. It almost seems like these guys don’t even practice or scheme for anything. I wonder what Shurmur thinks when he sees this with him being a HC and OC for many years.

      Again people. I’m not calling for him to be fired, but this is insane what we’re watching regardless of QB play and etc. Sure, we need that, but what about the run game? He was supposed to be a master at that too and we get:

      Sweep to the left

      Sweep to the right

      Sweep then punt over and over again. Why is he above criticism? Yet before anyone can finish typing Vic…. we’re already bombarded attacks lol.

      • RIP illa

        Lol. Yeah I’ve read. But hey what do you know….you Dallas Fan!!! BTW that’s sarcasm font ;-)

        • #7

          I’m surprised at what I’m seeing from Chip. That’s what makes me the most upset

          • RIP illa

            Yeah, don’t know what to think, except that so changes to the way he does things, at times, need to be made.

          • #7

            Dude I was in a rage when he went for that onside kick. I was sick as hell watching this game, but that crap cleared my cold for me. Didn’t need anymore meds after that

          • RIP illa

            Didn’t even see it. Had to step away for a min, but when I came back and saw where the Giants were lined up, I was like WTF!!! People can say it makes no difference, but I don’t buy it. That field position could have helped, if not increase the chances from possible to probable, after we got the stop. And the Giants have a horrible special teams unit so anything could have happened, from a bad directional punt from Weatherford, including a possible run back for good field position. Either way…That’s that ish I don’t like.

    • Basscase

      “We don’t have the talent..right??? Well then it falls more on the shoulders of the coaches to set up schemes and plays to put what little or lack of talent we have, in a position to get favorable matchups.”

      Billy Davis and what he’s doing with the defense is Exhibit A. No, they’re not the 90 Eagles, but they’re “below average”, when I had them at “dumpster fire”.

      • RIP illa

        God I hate Davis…but the man is getting his unit to play well, so you’re correct. It’s stands as evidence that it can be achieved. Although it’s not lost on me how the horrible QB play exacerbates things. Still, like I said, it’s not about the Ws and Ls.

    • JofreyRice

      According to Greg Cosell, that perimeter running game is really the central philosophy that Chip Kelly is bringing to the NFL. He spoke on it in a podcast with SI’s Doug Farrar back in the preseason. Not the speed, not the read-option, strictly, but the perimeter running. Spreading out the formation, and getting the ballcarrier to the outside, with hopefully, the ability to cut back and beat overpursuit.

      I don’t think it’s enough. When you see someone other than McCoy run it, it’s not pretty. And McCoy is world class. Besides the speed of NFL defenders, you’re adding a 12th defender in the sideline.

      Chip Kelly came up with some pretty great ideas that led him to a lot of success in Div I – AA and Div I football. I think this offseason is going to be about going back to the drawing board with a year of NFL experience under his belt and figuring out a new BIG IDEA. It’s a tall order.

      • RIP illa

        And that’s just it, on so many of your points. Said this weeks ago, but you cant have Brown run a stretch often. Painful to watch. And that’s not just on Brown. It’s on the line as well as the defense and the “12th” defender as you stated. A hell of a lot different when you got those wider hashes in CFB. I was hoping that the spread would be used more to open up the short passes and quick runs up the gut. O line sucks though and McCoy has been covering up their deficiencies for awhile, so there goes the quick runs up the gut. Funny how they’re getting better at at pass pro but regressing at run blocking. Well not hard to see when a D has 8 in the box. A motioning TE cracking back would go a long ass way in helping the ground attack as well as a more straight forward, attacking, zone blocking scheme. Going lateral gets you nothing, too many times in this league.

      • Token

        Obviously, not even McCoy can do that consistently. And I promise you it doesnt get much better than LeSean McCoy.

        As you said, defenses are too fast. And they are smarter. And you are working with less field side to side. As in if im on the right hash mark in college I got a ton of open field to my left.

        MAYBE at ultra warp speed this ultra simplistic stuff would have more effect. But a offense that seemingly needs everything to be running very well in order to operate at all, in addition to needing elite talent at every spot and a running QB is not a road I wish to go down.

        I need to see some NFL level scheming and adjustments THIS year. Otherwise ill be hoping USC or Texas throws so much money at Chip he cant refuse.

        The fact that he keeps doing the same things that clearly arent working doesnt inspire much confidence.

        • RIP illa

          Keyword…ADJUSTMENTS! and we’re just not seeing enough. I think Vick’s running success in the 1st 1/2 of the 1st Giants game coupled by Foles domination over Tampa, delayed what we’re seeing now and was a hindrance to the much need adjustments. I know it sounds crazy, but outside of the results of us winning those games, it was kinda an offensive fools gold for when teams play us like KC did. meaning stack the box and press man cov.

        • JofreyRice

          Yeah, unless he cracks, and wants to head back to school, I think he’ll be here at least 3 years. Pretty sweet track record for these kind of guys heading back to school though. I’m sure Saban’s happy as a clam at Alabama. Bobby Petrino was living large before his incident. The list goes on and on.

          For the Eagles sake, I really hope he can figure something out.

          • Token

            I remember Saban got asked about the Alabama job weekly. Always denied it of course while the NFL season was still going on.

            Its not out of the realm of possibility. Top jobs are open.

            If the season keeps going like this and he ends up looking ridiculous by the end of the season I could see him heading back to college.

            Its already to the point where we have players talking to press about how we need to adjust. And thats a guy like Avant of all people. Chip basically saying today that defenses havent figured him out.

            If he does change some things and adjust you could be looking at a lost credibility scenario in year one.

          • JofreyRice

            Oooh man. That’s the worst case scenario. Fluffers would be beside themselves. Might cause Spadaro to act out like that time he spit on the Star in Dallas. That guy that writes Eagles Blitz would be talking about how it was a blessing in disguise.

            Head Coach Billy Davis.

          • Token

            lol it would be fun.

            If it happened like that though, nothing is really lost. Better to quit on a bad thing early rather than act like its all going to change.

            Just reading “Head Coach Billy Davis.” makes me nauseous.

            I would want a defensive coach though. Need a culture change. Get a good young offensive mind to run the offense.

            Ray Horton should be up for a HC job.

            Go get Eric DeCosta like you mentioned to be GM. Or maybe Gamble I dunno.

            Clear out the entire personnel staff and bring in their guys.

            This thing needs blown up and rebuilt. That could have started last year but Chip wanted to keep a bunch of garbage.

            O, a guy can dream…..

          • JofreyRice

            I don’t know what to think of Gamble. Seems like he was probably pretty heavily involved in bringing Captain Zero Sopoaga here. Just like Roseman’s lack of experience doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be a bad GM, I don’t think Gamble’s personnel experience means he’ll be a good one.

            Probably really can’t be judged until we clear our current Toilet GM out.

          • HowboutdemIggles

            I don’t think he leaves after this year due to his Show Cause suspension. He can’t coach for over a year without having a hearing.

          • Andy124

            I think if this year continues as is, and next year isn’t much better, I could see it ending after 2 years. The show-cause penalty will be over by then.

      • Basscase

        Do you have a link to his comments? Seems like something that shouldn’t be overlooked.

        • JofreyRice

          You know, I heard it on a podcast, I don’t know if anyone has ever transcribed the remarks. I think they are called “audibles audio”. Farrar is a Seahawks guy, so he always wants to focus on the NFC West, but early on in the season, he and Cosell discussed Kelly and the Eagles a lot–I guess the Oregon connection and novelty was enough to interest Farrar.

          They don’t do them anymore, pretty sure ESPN shut it down, because they didn’t want one of their assets boosting ratings on competing media outlets. They used to do them together back when Farrar was with Yahoo’s Shutdown Corner.

          • Basscase

            Found the link to your comments. I’ll post them in a different post.

      • #7

        It’s a tall order. Can Chip do that and maybe surpress his ego? We’ll see. The man hasn’t failed much in football as far as I know so hopefully he can step up to the challenge…if he’s still around

  • Addicted2Mula

    CK made his mistakes on play calls. But his a rookie. And no matter what anybody else say you cant run NO TYPE off offence when having tRouble at the Qb situation. Obv. The defence is going to load up the box and man the WR. Our recievers cant win!! We need a new QB and BIGGER WR.

    • defroe81

      tebow! tebow! tebow!

      • Addicted2Mula

        please no

  • 1972

    How can you be the biggest disappointment when you cant depend on your # 1 or #2 QB staying healthy???
    Last I checked this was “A quarterback driven league” we don’t have one yet

  • Basscase

    Everyone, calm down. We keep forgetting this is Peter King we’re talking about here.

    If it’s not from Jeff Fisher or Brett Favre, it’s likely not accurate and can be disregarded.

    • 1972

      Lmao

  • EaglePete

    really really thin at WR is not helping either. TEs are below average, man I didnt realize how slow Ertz looks at times. Those college highlights fooled me haha. Oh and we may be looking for a QB for the next decade. Isnt rebuilding fun?

    • JofreyRice

      I think his lack of athleticism really became evident at the combine. I don’t go nuts for that stuff, but running a 4.8 and having such a short vertical jump kind of tells you he’s just not a quick twitch guy. Stanford really features their TE’s, and I think they coach them very well on route running–making them all look the same, and breaking them off smoothly. The pro-style running attack sets up a lot of favorable matchups.

      So, if you’re not an athlete like the kid Jeff Reed the Redskins took in the third, you really have to be able to shake guys in routes and catch anything that comes to you. Tony Gonzalez has lost about 3 steps at this point, but he still shakes defenders enough to come down with the ball in traffic–one of the best contested catchers I’ve ever seen. Ertz doesn’t do that either–misses the ball when he’s uncovered if it’s not right to him. So then what is he?

  • philliesfan136

    We Eagles fans are flat out F#%ked ! We have a owner, who is clueless, doesn’t know anything …… a GM, that doesn’t know, what he doesn’t know …….. and a coach, that thinks he knows everything ! Can it get any worse than that ? Where are all the, ” sell the team ” banners ? Jeffery ” mommy’s boy ” Lurie , MUST GO !!

    • Rick

      Every city has morons!!

    • bentheimmigrant

      Does the name Braman mean anything to you?

  • Will

    Teams have figure out what works. (1) Nut stunts on Kelce to the gap McCoy lines up on takes away the inside zone read play with a non-mobile QB. Which is why we are running to the perimeter. (2) Man coverage works best against Eagles WR’s. (3) Without Vick at QB DJax becomes a no threat in the Deep passing game. (4) Neither Foles or Barkley is effective throwing Deep passes. So with 3 points by the Offense in two games I’d say Defenses got the Bird’s number for now. So the whole mess falls on Chip with Foles at QB which a lot of people want to see him in 3-4 games any way.So unless Foles can put together some stellar passing games the losing streak will continue.

    • defroe81

      tebow time…

  • Michael Tyner

    My 2 cents for what its worth: we are on track for 5-6 wins max which as much as it pains me to say it, is the best thing that can happen to us because then we can get a young qb or passrusher in next years draft and start rebuilding this team. Real fans should be disappointed but also know this was not a team with Chips ideal personnel quite yet. I will remain patient and support the new staff for a draft or two and allow Chip to try and get some of his type of guys in here and judge from there. Its way to soon to be jumping to some of the conclusions I have been reading all over the web

  • Will

    All this shows is you need a QB after Vick is gone. Foles may or may not be the guy. Foles I suspect gets his chance one more time while Vick heals. If you get the inside zone read blocking scheme fixed with a light center blocking that would help. Till they figure out what to do Kelce will keep facing the Nut Stunt. Foles is going to have to make the long deep throws to spread the defense deep. Foles is gonna have to trust his receiver’s in man coverage to come away with the ball. Formation can spread a Defense wide not deep. Until Defenses respect his arm I foresee them continuing to load the box on McCoy. Might try getting the passing game to McCoy going in screens.

    • Michael Tyner

      Ive been arguing with my friends about this since yesterday, they seem to think we should take an Oline because the qbs are getting pressured too much while I countered that if they were making the right reads they would be getting the ball out or throwing it away thus not taking sacks/hits. 100% agree that we need an adequate QB for this system to function properly

      • Will

        If they can get Mariota and take any one else they deserve their fate.

        • Michael Tyner

          Yeah id go with Marcus but if hes not there what other qb is worthy of a possible top 10 pick besides bridgewater?

  • Scott J

    I didn’t expect much this year. The only thing disappointing is that the offense has regressed instead of improved. BUT, the defense has gotten better.

  • defroe81

    um yeah how about dropping vick and foles and picking up tebow and dixon. start tebow he is a running qb whats wrong with tebow…