Chip: Offense Hasn’t Been ‘Figured Out’

Chip KellyFollowing Sunday’s loss to the Giants, Jason Avant gave his take on why the offense has stalled of late after finding success early on.

“One thing about this league is that it’s some of the smartest guys in the coaching ranks, some of the smartest players, some of the best players,” he said. “There is going to come a time where they have looked at all the film and evaluated every play that you  a have done and it’s going to give you a breakdown. It’s going to give you a breakdown that says, ‘This percentage of the time, this play is a higher’…they’re going to do all that.

“As the season progresses it’s a chess match. And you’re constantly going to get better. Our coach is definitely going to get better at that, and all of our coaches and all of our players are going to get better at all of those things, and we’re going to start winning those chess matches and also start winning our one-on-ones as players.”




To boil all that down, the receiver seems to be implying that opposing defenses have gotten a beat on  Chip Kelly's offense and are currently getting the better of the in-game strategic battles.

Has this offense been solved?

"I don't think that people have it figured out," said Kelly at his day-after press conference. "You can turn the tape on and watch six games of whoever you play that I can tell you what they're going to do. I can tell you what Peyton Manning is going to do but you still have to stop them. It's still about executing and I think everybody kind of knows going into the game plan, you're not going to surprise people eight games into a [season]."

Do you have the right guys to execute the plays?

"Yeah. I believe we do," said Kelly. "I mean we were successful for six games and if I look at the last two and analyze what the situation is, in both games we got to our third quarterback. And I think that's a difficult proposition, especially when you don't have a lot of reps to go around at practice."

Kelly is certainly right about the impact the quarterback situation is having on the effectiveness of this offense. The tape showed that Nick Foles had all sorts of opportunities in the passing game against Dallas but simply couldn't execute. Matt Barkley has had his share of struggles. Any team in the NFL that loses its top QB -- let alone its top two -- will almost assuredly experience a dip in production. The musical chairs at quarterback brought on by Michael Vick's injury has quite a bit to do with the fact that the Eagles have managed just three points on offense over the last two games.

It's about talent and its about execution first, but adjustments are also a big part of this game. Kelly was asked how he has fared in that department through his first half-season in the NFL as he goes head-to-head with some of the best football minds on the planet.

"I think when you're going into a game you have a plan and then obviously every plan has to change as the game starts to unfold because of what you're seeing and how that game kind of expresses itself. You're kind of poking and prodding and saying, 'Hey, will this work for us?' And then all of a sudden it's kind of punch-counter-punch," he said. "They make a move and then you come back the other way with it. The last two weeks we haven't been good at it. It's just the way it is. The end result is the end result no matter how you look at it. We haven't been productive on the offensive side of the ball so we haven't done a good job in those adjustments."

QB update

-- Foles met with team doctors today and took the imPACT test, but Kelly said he didn't yet have the results. Similarly, the coach said he didn't know the results of the MRI Vick had on his hamstring Monday.  The Eagles are not expecting to have Vick available for Sunday's game against the Raiders.

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  • Angry Eagles fan

    I’m pissed at Vick for stealing practice time from Barkley..he said it himself.. once Foles was hurt, he decided he was going to start regardless of his health..This is not an act of a team player.. I can’t wait for the day he is done with the eagles.. I hope they put him down as a third stringer for the rest of the season…or better yet.. the IR.

    • Brandon Boykin, OLB

      You’re mad at the QB who undoubtedly gave the team the best chance of winning (at the time, mind you) for trying to give the team the best chance to win?

      K.

    • Bdawkbdawk

      I’m not thrilled about how things went down either, but let’s not get carried away. This is the NFL. Teams’ best players play injured. And unless youre in Philadelphia and things don’t seem to work out, fans expect this from their playmakers and love them for it. Favre’s streak. Eli plays games when injured. How do you think Peyton’s neck really felt at the beginning of last season? All Day has a hamstring and came back from a knee. Graham has torn up planter fascitis. I could go on and on.

      Ultimately this didn’t work out, so people are upset. but don’t pretend that after Foles’ stinker last week that every fan and commentator in the Philadelphia region wasn’t hoping that Vick would start yesterday.

      • GEAGLE

        I wanted FOles to start this week…honestly. I would have prefered giving him 10 games to prove that we shouldn’t see what Barkley can do in the last 6 games…and it would be seriously silly of me to waiver after 1 horrible game…since I have seen every QB in the history of QBs look just as bad at some point or another…

        • BrickSquadMonopoly

          You don’t get to make excuses for the worst QB performance of all time.

          • Justin

            Never watched Blaine Gabbert have you?

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Exactly. They gambled Vick was good enough to play. They lost. Hamstrings are finicky. I didn’t like the decision, that hamstring injury was too high to be healed that fast, but I understood it. It didn’t work out, but hey, that’s football.

    • GEAGLE

      People will try to defend him with the bogus toughness argument…but you are only tough if you actually make it thru the first half and you look better than the 3rd string QB…when you barely last a Quarter, it’s just selfish and dumb….but what makes it worse for me is after he left the game he went and sulked by himself..you think Peyton wouldn’t be trying to help his young backup in any way he could? An injured Peyton! as the leader of his team would try anything in his power to help his team if he can’t be on the field…Desean and shady clearly got dejected! you can tell in the lack of effort Desean gave on that third down catch n run. yet their leader who they idolized didn’t say a word…he was busy sitting alone sulking with a towel on I his head….I have praised him so much for the changes he has made as a man, but yesterday was disgusting to me!!!!!

      I’m also starting to worry and question if Shadys legs are shot? A lot of people noticed him stumbling all over the place…

      We are complicating things…on offense, we lost the battle at the line of scrimmage, and it’s so darn rare that an inexperienced rookie will ever be able to overcome that…Oline is regressing and if this doesn’t change neither will our lack of offense…I got beef with Stoutland right now…Lane and Evan are the ones I have the least beef with…

      • jabostick

        I agree on the sulking part, disagree on the ‘bogus toughness’ part. I think he is tough and I think he legitimately tries to play with pain because he thinks he can help.

        If he looked as limited in practice as he did in the game, that’s on the training/coaching staff to temper his enthusiasm to return. Most athletes will choose to play if given the choice.

        But, yeah, he should’ve been a better sideline presence. I’d give him that quarter and half time to deal with his disappointment, after that he needs help out or else go get treatment or something.

        • GEAGLE

          It would be easier to appreciate the “toughness” if sooooo many of us didn’t see this coming

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Vick didn’t make the decision to return on his on. So all this being mad at him for playing too many folk are saying is silly. They gambled he was good enough ’cause they didn’t think Barkley gave them the best option to win. They lost. That was a “team” decision, not solely a “Vick” one.

          The sulking wasn’t the best…I’ll give him a pass this game ’cause it was clear he was PRETTY emotional ’bout the whole thing. But aside from that he’s been the model teammate so I’ll chalk it up to hurt feelings.

        • Richard Colton

          Vick can’t win in that situation. If he’s upbeat and smiling like Maclin, we kill him. If he’s sulking on the bench because he’s upset he got hurt and can’t help the team – yep, we kill him. He’s got to be frustrated. What team will pay him next year when he hasn’t been able to play a full season in years?

  • GEAGLE

    Wanna know the last time we won a home game? The day we honored Dawkins and he led us out the tunnel… Just SAYIN…

    • cliff henny

      miss that guy.

      • GEAGLE

        Ya think? Lol

        I need to wall Thefanaticradio and tell them this stat. Dawkins has a weekly segment on that station and I gotta get one of the hosts to start a movement to force Dawk into giving us a pregame speech at the next home game…I. Split season tickets with my buddy, and so far I dodged the home game misery,..but I am petrified about going to the next 4 home games

  • Will

    Common sense knew Vick would re-injure his hammy especially in 58 degree weather. Also knew Barkley with or with out reps would be terrible. Vick knew Foles was a no go and he knew what Barkley brings to the table. All in all would have preferred Vick sit out one more game. Now Vick is out what 4-6 games. Just plain stupid!

    • GEAGLE

      Doubt we see the Braniac until after the bye week…hopefully a young QB has stepped up and earned the remainder of the starts this season and the hamsterwheel Vick era ends

      • cliff henny

        go 0-3, no reason to play him. just ride out the forkley twins

        • GEAGLE

          You guys are assuming FOles will be ok….I would like nothing more then to finally give FOles a x3 game stretch of reps and continuity….hopefully he passes this test and is back out practicing tomorrow…if he is out til Thursday or fir…gotta go with barkley

          • cliff henny

            foles is 1, immobile 2, weak armed 3, getting close to inury prone tag. play whoever, to me it’s like discussing nate allen’s play, shouldnt be here in’14

      • Will

        Looks like Foles will get a shot. Unless Nick can go deep with accuracy the Offense will struggle. Teams will load the box, take away McCoy’s run game. Teams will Pass protect short and the middle of the field forcing Foles to go long or to the Outside deep. Until they can overcome what Defenses have done the last 2 games Defenses will continue to do what works! Nose Tackle doing Nut stunts on Kelce to shut down the run with no threat of a QB scramble. Play in man to man coverage which has been very effective in shutting down this Offense with Foles or Barkley since neither can stretch the field with DJax thru the air.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Agree. By the Raiders game he likely would have been good to go. Or close enough where a re-injury wasn’t a big worry.

      • Will

        Warmer climate too, Vick wanted a win at home for the Fans. He knows Barkley first hand. Vick also knew Foles couldn’t go. Vick’s hamstring pull was high which means Vick can’t plant his feet and throw. Throwing the ball plus running was too much of a strain.

  • JofreyRice

    I can understand the pass game suffering because of poor QB play, but the run game is really supposed to be the sustaining force of this team. If you have to have the read-option with a mobile QB to make it work, why the hell did you bring back Nick Foles and draft Mike Berkley? Why didn’t you go after someone that could come in and run it for you when Vick got injured?

    If you don’t need a mobile QB to make it work, which is what we’ve heard, then why has it been shut down so effectively? You have a top 5 NFL back getting <3.5 YPC, and the backups getting nothing. The line is intact. They aren't playing top NFL defenses. If it hasn't been shut down schematically, then what has happened?

    • cliff henny

      combo, line isnt that good. herrmanns get you nothing in run game. love shady, but he is dancing way too much at times. brown is terrible, he got tackled by a guy sitting on his butt and getting blocked.

      • Token

        We all see Herremans is done. Have seen it since week one. Does coach?

        And the “safe pick” stud LJ continues to be unimpressive.

        Bottom line is there is so much invested into this offense theres no excuse not to score against Dallas and giants defenses.

        • JofreyRice

          one thing I will say, I’m glad we didn’t take G-Kegel’s boy Dion Jordan. The guy’s playing 20 snaps a week in Miami.

          • Richard Colton

            a few more snaps and he’d be Brandon Graham

          • GEAGLE

            What a dumb ignorant thing to say…just hate….as if every single team that considered drafting him didn’t know he would just be a situational pass rusher in year one lol…Vinny curry gets less snaps then him…and? Lol
            Btw, Dion has provided more rush in LIIMITED snaps then Cole has playing the tithe entire game…but yeah, thank god we didn’t draft Dion, and Lane sucks because he isn’t a probowler yet!??thanks for the valuable contributions
            Hi hater!! Hahahahahahah

          • Andy124

            C’mon man.

          • JofreyRice

            Yeah, I’m sure they’re thrilled their #3 passrusher plays a handful of snaps a game. Just like you predicted: He’s going to not do much at all in the first year. Yeah, that was basically your argument for drafting him…

          • Token

            the guy played like 45% of snaps in college. Hes always been just a situational player. People got excited when they saw him running in shorts. Happens all the time.

          • anon

            1 sack, 8 tackles in 3 games played? As hard as we are on our players he wouldn’t make it with this fan base.

          • Token

            O yea. Never wanted him.

            But its just another example for me to point to when everyone wants to go the “conventional wisdom” route of taking tackles in the top 5. Its a lose-lose situation in my mind.

            Even if the guy ends up being the next Joe Thomas, he still doesnt have much overall impact on your team.

            Now if you pick a rusher, or even a safety high…. if you hit there you have a high impact player.

            We now have a #4 pick at RT and “the best tackle in football” at LT and still cant do anything.

            Im tired of the “dont have the players” excuse. How much assets are expected to be put into this offensive unit for it to be able to consistently function? At some point scheme has to help.

          • JofreyRice

            Look at Matt Kalil. Or Eugene Monroe, who really helped that franchise out of the commode. Or Trent Williams. I think it’s pretty clear that squad rises and falls with Griffin.

            Marginal tackles can be made to look much better than they are by really good QB play.

          • Richard Colton

            The stars are aligning for us to take OT Jake Matthews with the 10th pick in round 1, right after someone jumps ahead of us to grab the 4th QB off the board. Fan base will be cool with another OT in the 1st? Right?

          • RIP illa

            Please Stop :-)

          • cliff henny

            if we take t a-m guy, choice 1 is evans…but it’ll be manziel. and it’ll be ugly on PMag the next day

          • RIP illa

            Figured out a way that’d I’d be ok w/ us drafting Manziel…
            1st, we continue to lose and end up picking in the 2-4 range.
            2nd, We then trade that pick to a QB desperate team for 2 1st (ST. Louis) or a 1 and a 2 plus whatever pick next year.
            3rd, we take the lesser value 1st round pick or the only 1st round pick and trade back for either a different lower value 1st and 2nd, or just trade it to JAX for their 2nd rounder (#1 of Rd 2) and possibly their 3rd, but probably their 4th.
            4th, We then Draft Manziel w/ the 1st pick of the 2nd Rd and still have a bunch more 2nd Rds to spend on WR, CB, S, OLB. And an extra 3rd or 4th to sit or move up to get a MLB.
            So at the end of this improbable scenario, at the least, we’ll have 3 2nd Rd picks and at least one more in the 3rd or 4th. Manziel here we come…LOL!

          • cliff henny

            but you are warming up to idea…it’s a start! i’m feeling the beginning signs of convert #3!

          • RIP illa

            Lol. I really don’t think he’s ready to be the face of any franchise…but I’m not 100% against it. Gotta see his combine and rest of the season. 2nd round…why not.

          • anon

            Hahaha name one contender that’s $20mm under the cap. Additionally, while we have some play makers we don’t have any game changers — what Cary said about the D might just apply to the O as well everyone is soft.

        • 1972

          herramans is done. kELCES not much either. injury or not. I want a bigger center

          • cliff henny

            have peters at 10m no dead money on final yr of deal. still good player, but that is a ton of freed up money.

          • RIP illa

            Too bad we have no one in line to replace him. No one at least adequate enough. And please God no to the FO investing another high draft pick in the O line this year.

          • cliff henny

            switch lane over to left, dennis kelly in at right, barbre replaces herrmanns…cant be that much worse. teaching 30+ yr old guys new schemes every yr is getting old. cut ryans too, he’s 7m freed. pay someone 700k to make tackles 5 yards downfield.

          • Token

            You would have little negative overall impact on the field by doing that.

            But its sounds so crazy to people because of the names involved.

          • Richard Colton

            I like Herremans coming off the bench at this point as the 1st backup. He played OT last few years better than OG. I don’t hate your plan. Jacksonville got a 4th and a 5th for Monroe. You mean we couldn’t get one mid-level pick for Peters? And any idea how Kelly and Bamiro look in practice?

          • RIP illa

            Has Kelly even played all year? Didn’t he have a back problem? Those can be lingering. Names aside, Lane has not shown anything to suggest that he can adequately protect our future QB’s blindside. And I wouldn’t be opposed to Barbre replacing Todd, but we better bring in a good FA also. And who you going to replace Ryans with? Matthews? I would be for getting rid of him at his price, but he has been playing very well the last two games and has been adequate to solid for majority of the season. I would love us to have another MLB behind him, that was worthy to be behind him, but we don’t as of now. So restructure, groom Acho if he stays on the squad, and stop worrying so much about MLBs on ST. And also cut Phillips, that should be good gor 500k-1 mil. You guys are just basically adding to the dearth of talent with all the talk of these type of cuts but offering no real replacements. You’re kicking the can down the road.

          • Richard Colton

            ehhh. agree, but I’d rather see if LJ is up to the task when its Barkley and not Mariota he’s protecting

          • RIP illa

            so you’re saying make a deal before tomorrows deadline? That’s interesting and I would be for that if it wasn’t so short notice and if I wasn’t sure that LJ is not ready. And he may possibly not even be ready till after next season.

          • Richard Colton

            I wonder if Howie knows there’s a deadline?

            ***seriously though – yeah. Peters was my favorite Eagle for 2 years, but I think we need a major overhaul of this line before we’re good again.

          • RIP illa

            LOL. I don’t think his mind is on any major moves in the least bit. Sad. I’m all for upgrading and replacing…Hell even down grading (a little bit) and replacing, if it save enough money. However there has to be talk of solid player’s names brought into the discussion as opposed to just cut this guy and cut that guy.

          • cliff henny

            ten bucks if we make a trade, the guy has an ACL history

          • nicksaenz1

            Trying to hustle someone out of a 10 spot?

          • JofreyRice

            Ah, Peters certainly isn’t what he was, but he’s definitely not the main problem on the line right now. IMO, it’s that right side. Now, is Peters worth 10m or whatever they’re scheduled to pay him? Probably not, but I think I’d rather see them try and restructure him than just cut him outright, and try to move Johnson over there. He’s struggling in pass pro badly right now, I’d like to see him get his sea legs at RT before making him re-learn everything “backwards”.

            To your overall point, though, the line is aging rapidly.

          • cliff henny

            no ryans is either FA or draft upgrade. restructure is certainly an option. wouldnt have major issue if eagles restructure jax, peters and/or ryans.
            .
            least kelly is getting entire yr off to rehab. was just making example of what we have inhouse at this time. wouldnt be opposed to signing a 26-27yr old top FA tackle to replace peters. cut peters, ryans, celek and avant, that frees up almost 25m! someone has to be willig to play here for 8m. draft a iml, idk, not gm, but this team needs turned over. might take losing couple decent players in ryans and peters to get much younger

          • Andy124

            That’s great, but only if there are better options to spend the money on.

          • RIP illa

            I get that and it does sound great in theory. But gotta figure out some names to replace these guys and I don’t think that the current “in house” players are viable options as of yet. I’d be amazed if we would be able to draft an MLB with needing to draft so many other positions.

          • cliff henny

            have 50m under cap and 5-8th pick each round…figure this sh!t out howie, what are you getting paid to do? but yes, it’s all theory, not the gm, no clue what they’ll do…pretty sure it’ll piss me off though

          • RIP illa

            Lol at asking Howie to figure this out! Don’t have that much faith in the world. I’m passed being pissed unless we start burning top picks on OL, more specifically…OG.

          • anon

            yeah they need to go out and get talent. D is playing well — but against crap teams. For the 3 years we’ve been bad we should have more to show in terms of drafted talent + more to show in terms of FA acquired talent. I’m all for keeping Meco — he’ll need to restructure unless he gets in the backfield a little bit more but he’s the one player whose consistently earned his money.

          • RIP illa

            Agreed

          • JofreyRice

            I think letting Peters go would seriously downgrade the line, if they brought Kelly into the mix at RT. You have to figure out if saving the 10 m would be worth having your bookends just totally suck for awhile, until they got the hang of it (provided they ever did). If you’re talking about a high-pick rookie they are protecting, I’d imagine you want to minimize the hits he’s taking early.

            Letting Ryans go and replacing him with someone like Knott will have some affect, but it will be like spitting in the ocean. DeMeco played well last year, but this year he’s really just a guy out there.

          • cliff henny

            i’d personally renegotiate peters. herrmanns on upgrade notice. idk on kelce. only half way thru season here, alot can change quickly with 30+ yrs old guys coming off injuries.

          • RIP illa

            Have to disagree about the Ryans part. Replace him w/ Knott and I’ll think you’ll be spitting into the smallest ocean known to mankind! Like a dime sized puddle.

          • Token

            Theres almost no way hes back IMO. If there was anyone willing to give any kind of a pick for the guy the Eagles should be all over it. Same thing with Jackson.

            I think there has to be some courage shown in order to grow and move forward.

            Look at how the Browns completely fleeced the Colts by trading Trent Richardson.

          • cliff henny

            no one is giving picks for jax or peters. why would they? shady is the only tradable asset.

          • Token

            Yea, I agree.

            Shadys deal skyrockets the next two seasons. 10 mil in 2014 and 12 mil in 2015.

          • cliff henny

            think he’s least of our worries right now. sure kelly would love to get him to hit the holes harder and wait till he get in open field to do his cuts on a dime deal.

          • anon

            we gotta get those 2-3yds per play. maybe we just need a downfield runner – a pile pusher.

          • RIP illa

            Also a blocking scheme that provides that.

          • Richard Colton

            I’d agree if we got ANYTHING from Bryce Brown this year. I’m 90% sure I saw his pic on a carton of milk in WaWa today

          • RIP illa

            I think he can be found in the very back of Kelly’s playbook along with all the run plays that are not stretches and require the RO.

          • Basscase

            He might not last that long – RBs are notorious for being good one year, and falling off a cliff next…

          • #7

            I remember when we had Jamaal Jackson in 2010 and people complained that he was too big.

            Howard Mudd. One of the worse hires that Andy made IMO

      • JofreyRice

        For me, the run blocking has been Herreman’s bright spot. Lane Johnson really got handled in all aspects by Tuck and Kiwanuka. He’s a bad player right now. Frustrating, I hope he improves. I think the bottom line is that if your tackles can’t get the edge secured, at some point you have to make adjustments to just go N-S.

        You gotta do something. Shady’s been under 3 and a half yards a carry over the last 4 games. He dances too much sometimes, sure, but he’s a better back than that. It’s like a tale of two seasons.

        • cliff henny

          rookie tackles struggle, we knew that coming in. hope was, or CW, that a solid vet presence next to him would lessen learning curve. just hasnt worked out. kelce tricky as a fan, want to like him cause a good lockerroom guy, but he gets shoved around too.

          • Token

            Never been big on Kelce.

            Its sort of a lesser Nate Allen situation.

            As in, people have this thought kelce was a great promising player early on. Its a myth.

            He can play in the NFL. But you cant expect a ton from him. He will always have problems with big strong guys. Which is unfortunate considering the position he plays.

            And for as smart as hes said to be, if the calls are really his responsibility, hes done a pretty bad job of that.

    • Brian

      The quarterback needs to be accurate and, relatively, mistake free. When the QB does well, the running game works. He doesn’t need to be mobile, he needs to be accurate.

      • JofreyRice

        I think they highlighted it on the coverage–there is no respect for Barkley or Foles on the RO. So, they just crash on Shady. It sort of neutralizes the play, right?

        And, the run game looks really bad even on plays where the QB isn’t involved. 3.4 ypc in the last 4 games, after the hot start. It’s a tale of two seasons, really.

    • Will

      Cause Defenses are “Nut Stunting ” on our center Kelce which the Eagles of yet to figure out what to do. This kills the inside zone read play especially with no QB threat to run. They can stacked the box and key on McCoy. Which puts them in Man Coverage on our receiver’s. Which a great QB should be able to exploit with a single high safety. Those two things have shut this Offense down

      .http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/all-22-nut-stunts-slowed-eagles-run-game

    • #7

      The D-line’s we face…they’re getting immediate penetration on us right up the middle….right at Kelce. I like Kelce and like that he “man’s up” about his mistakes, but at some point something has to be done. Can’t continue to make the same mistakes

  • Basscase

    Hey, big thumbs up to JofreyRice for this – he mentioned Greg Cosell’s comments about the Chip Kelly offense. Here are the comments, and, well, judge for yourself. It’s long, and they were made before the season started, but GC usually knows what he’s talking about, so it’s worth your time:

    On how he [Cosell] analyzes preseason performances: “What you don’t know, and this is what makes it difficult, is what teams are looking to accomplish. Some teams do very little when it comes to schematics on either side of the ball; they’re simply looking to evaluate players. You may or may not know that, depending on relationships you have with personnel. Other teams, with new coaches, may be doing schematics, and you get a feel for how a team may play. One quick example is the Eagles in their third preseason game against Jacksonville — when Michael Vick played into the third quarter, everyone assumed you’d see the ‘Chip Kelly Offense,’ and that would be the so-called dress rehearsal. I’ve studied Oregon’s offense for years, and to me, that was not the offense we’re going to see.”

    On the Chip Kelly offense he expects to see: “What he’s doing, and we’ll see if it’s successful … I think there’s been a change in concept. In the NFL, for years and years, the basic premise in the run game was that you needed a physical, downhill element. We know that the Houston Texans are a zone-based run team, but there’s a physical element to it. They often do it with two tight ends, and lined up that way more than any team in the NFL last year (73 percent of the time, per Football Outsiders’ game-charting). You can go back to the days of Vince Lombardi, but it was execution-based. I think where coaches like Chip Kelly come into this is that while there are physical elements, he will try to win with deception and misdirection — make it look different. He doesn’t just want to out-execute you; he wants to deceive you. And that’s why, when I watch the tape, it looks perimeter-based to me. IN know they have inside zone, but everything seems to start more laterally.”

    On how NFL defenses might try to stop the option attack this season: “One thing I’ve talked with coaches about — when you have quarterbacks who can run, and going back to Michael Vick when he was really the only one doing this in 2003-2004. Coaches would tell me that they would encourage Vick to run, and in fact make him run to a specific area, and they’d have the defense set up in that area. A lot of this stuff — people have done it defensively, but last year, from a preparation standpoint, a lot of coaches didn’t have enough time [to scheme to defend it]. That’s why I’m really anxious to see what they do. Don’t forget — college coaches deal with this every week, and not every team that runs read-option scores 40 points every week. Many NFL coaches went to college campuses to get a better feel for it, and get a better feel for it … and in college, it gets defensed, by the way.”

    http://nfl.si.com/2013/08/31/audibles-audio-nfl-films-greg-cosell-talks-about-the-preseason/

    • JofreyRice

      Nice, yeah, I remembered him talking about it. Those were a good listen, too bad they got shut down by the powers that be.

      Cosell cuts through a lot of the baloney. The way I see it: it’s a finesse, perimeter run game. If NFL coordinators haven’t caught onto what Cosell is saying Kelly is trying to do by now, then they probably won’t be coordinators for very long. I mean, that’s certainly what it looks like when you watch the Eagles, right?

  • 1972

    How is it figured out when we played a 3rd string quarterback!!!!!?? My god, I really don’t understand some people. 30 points a game before vick got hurt.
    Does anybody understand how important a number 1 QB is???

    • GEAGLE

      Insanity isn’t it….and people wonder why I hate our media and fanbase

      • 1972

        Nick Foles had all sorts of opportunities. this is what the article says, and we just gloss over it like its a small thing. So is it chips fault vick throws a pick 6 against the chiefs? Or Foles Playing 3 and a half quarters of scared football???

      • Tom w

        Love it. Could not have said it any better. Pumped for next yrs draft but think foles shit gam screwed the master plan to trade him for a 2 and

        • therealpistolp

          Should have traded him in the offseason… His stock flatlined last week

    • Pennguino

      We have had good and bad QB play all year. If the QB is not executing the offense correctly, this is what it leads too.

    • Mr. Magee

      So it all comes down to the QB? If he plays well, then the running game is better, special teams are better, coaching decisions are easier, etc?

      The whole idea in building credibility and organizational confidence is to begin to isolate the parts that aren’t working, and then go from there. Doesn’t seem very easy to do much of that at this point. (And note that no one – Chip included – has used the ‘r’ word (rebuild) since Kelly took the job). I think either expectations weren’t managed well coming into this season, or Kelly and co have been surprised. Let’s hope it’s the former….

  • GEAGLE

    As for this article…

    I don’t think his offense has been figured out at all….his run game without a mobile QB will NEVER work again until a QB forced the Dlinemen that we are reading into not being able to just jump on top of shady until the ball is snapped…the jig is up for this run game without an immobile QB..
    ,,,
    Any remember when we had the Daily Vick vs. FOles discussion in the summer? Everyone argued that Chip would have to go with a pro style offense but I argued that all he would need to do is switch to a pro style run game, or go with more pistol(2,3 back sets with multiple TE lined up in the backfield as blockers)..well since Vick is done til after the bye week, THAT TIME has arrived!!…the linemen we are reading without Vick in the game doesn’t even look at the QB, he just shoots into the backfield and crushes shady…it’s too slow of a developing play to work if the Lineman isn’t event looking at the QB…WRs were open all day against Dallas…
    ..
    Our young QBs aren’t going to win many games if we allow teams to make shady a non factor..This next stretch of games is going to tell us so much about Chip Kelly…he can bang his head against the wall and watch shady get stonewalled running ZR’s OR he can adjust, and catch the raiders off guard switching to a pro style run game or pistol formations….raiders defense gets rowdy at home, they hit hard, the play hard and they practice every day against a ZR QB….running a ZR with no threat of a run from a QB will get us blown out of the black hole this week…

    Adjustment time has arrived…what you got for us Chippah?

    • Will

      This run game goes no where till they have a passing threat. Vick could run and throw deep with pin point accuracy neither Foles or Barkley have show they can consistently stretch a Defense with their passing skills. Till then teams will continue to load the box on McCoy and play in Man coverage end of story.

      • anon

        you can run to pass or pass to run.

        • Will

          And when you can’t run or pass effectively you can’t score.

          • anon

            yup

      • Brian

        Pinpoint accuracy 53% of the time.

        • Will

          That’s all passes what Vick’s % going Deep? 54.6% or 55% to be accurate on all passes. Still trying to find a distance break down of stats.

          • Pennguino

            Pass Thrown Behind Line of Scrimmage 13 24 54.2(%) 149(yds) 6.2(y/a) 0(td) 0(int) 7(1d) 73.1(rtg)
            Pass Thrown 1-10 yds 32 48 66.7 367 7.6 0 1 18 80.8
            Pass Thrown 11-20 yds 20 42 47.6 434 10.3 2 1 19 90.8
            Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 3 9 33.3 78 8.7 2 0 3 105.6
            Pass Thrown 31-40 yds 2 6 33.3 101 16.8 1 0 2 121.5
            Pass Thrown 41+ yds 1 3 33.3 56 18.7 0 0 1 82.0

            Pass Thrown Behind Line of Scrimmage 17% of passes
            Pass Thrown 1-10 yds 34% of passes
            Pass Thrown 11-20 yds 30% of passes
            Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 6% of passes
            Pass Thrown 31-40 yds 4% of passes
            Pass Thrown 41+ yds 2% of passes
            INT / Fly Swatter 6% of passes

          • Will

            nice…was hoping to find completion/attempts stat…by distance

          • Pennguino

            http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/philadelphia-eagles/index.html

            Scroll down and you can click on Mike and see all of his game splits.

          • Will

            gotcha…thanks…6 of 18 or 33% over 21 yds. for Vick…Foles 3 of 7….interesting Foles might surprise …. better than Vick so far not a drop off …If Foles can pass well enough he will force’ em out of loading the box on McCoy…Kelce over coming the Nut Stunt is the other run problem, gonna have to change blocking scheme to fix that one….until then no inside run plays…. Simply have Kelce crashing down to the McCoy side and re-assign who pulls to block everyone else if it could be done…

          • Pennguino

            np

          • Pennguino

            FOLES for comparison:

            Pass Thrown Behind Line of Scrimmage 17 25 68.0(%) 125(yds) 5.0(y/a) 1(td) 0(int) 7(1d) 92.9(rtg)
            Pass Thrown 1-10 yds 21 35 60.0 188 5.4 1 0 8 84.0
            Pass Thrown 11-20 yds 11 23 47.8 201 8.7 1 0 10 92.9
            Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 1 3 33.3 25 8.3 1 0 1 104.2
            Pass Thrown 31-40 yds 1 3 33.3 36 12.0 1 0 1 119.5
            Pass Thrown 41+ yds 1 1 100.0 47 47.0 1 0 1 158.3

            Pass Thrown Behind Line of Scrimmage 28% of passes
            Pass Thrown 1-10 yds 39% of passes
            Pass Thrown 11-20 yds 26% of passes
            Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 3% of passes
            Pass Thrown 31-40 yds 3% of passes
            Pass Thrown 41+ yds 1% of passes
            INT (0) / Fly Swatter (1) 1% of passes

          • Will

            3 of 7 beyond 21 yds…1of 1 over 41 yards…

          • Pennguino

            Foles doesn’t take the deeper shots as much as Mike does. It sill doesn’t limit his game. For him to be as bad as he was in the Dallas game his stats don’t look as bad as I had expected him too.

      • Pennguino

        I haven’t checked EMB yet or Philly.com. Have you already copy and pasted there also? I have seen your same comment in like 3 or 4 articles here and over at Tommy’s I think. Just because you say it a hundred times doesn’t make it true. It’s like you are trying to convince yourself.

        Like stated below… Vick is 100% accurate 53% of the time. Foles has proven that he can go deep. He has also proven that he doesn’t go deep often.

        • Will

          nope just here…Foles should return this week we will see if man to man coverage and deep passes are something he can do consistently. I already stated why. Foles went 11 of 29 last outing. which is 37.9% ok 38%..

  • Mrkraxx

    Yeah. They figured out that our offense doesn’t work unless the qb can hit the broad side of a planet with the football. Bravo, figure outers.

    Broncos offense will be figured out next if Peyton can’t play.

  • Will

    Teams have figure out what works. (1) Nut stunts on Kelce to the gap McCoy lines up on takes away the inside zone read play with a non-mobile QB. Which is why we are running to the perimeter. (2) Man coverage works best against Eagles WR’s. (3) Without Vick at QB DJax becomes a no threat in the Deep passing game. (4) Neither Foles or Barkley is effective throwing Deep passes. So with 3 points by the Offense in two games I’d say Defenses got the Bird’s number for now. So the whole mess falls on Chip with Foles at QB which a lot of people want to see him in 3-4 games any way.

    • 1972

      did u watch the all 22 for the dallas game

      • Will

        Yup open receiver’s every where long and Nick went short over the middle so? What ‘s good about open reciever’s if you can’t get the ball to em.

        • 1972

          QB problem, not a coaching problem. Well indirectly its a coaching problem , but u know what I mean

          • Will

            Yup with out an QB threat option to run and a accurate QB who can make all the throws it limits an Offense for sure. With Vick out, and Defenses keying on McCoy this falls on the QB’s arm to open things up. Till Nick can hit DJax deep down the side line there’s no way to stretch the D.

          • cliff henny

            right, cant 100% blame kelly on personel for now. he’s working thru the end of reid’s era where bunch of players and contracts were set up for one final push. same issues in a yr from now, then we can really talk.

          • Will

            Who drafted Barkley again?

          • cliff henny

            4th round…let’s not make huge deal over that. he could become a good backup. 5th round wolff looks good.

          • Brian

            Name any third QB in the league that can efficiently run their offense in their 2nd appearance. Lighten up.

  • Mrkraxx

    Broncos offense is gonna “get figured out” real quick if Peyton goes down too… Just saying. Don’t give defenses too much credit here… We stop ourselves.

  • Will

    New York Gnats have the 24th ranked Defense. Dallas Cowgirls has the 13th Defense. Oakland has the 19th overall best Defense. Foles if healthy has his work cut out for him. Eagles Defense up to 26th based off of last 2 outings.

  • EaglePete

    I know what was figured out and its not CKs offense. Its all of us fans over inflated dreams of a season in a really bad division catching fire and making a run. New coach, new system producing on offense at least for a while. Decent enough QB play for a bit. Early season is anyones game until the real teams step up. Who were we kidding besides ourselves.
    Vick is playing better than he ever has….then not so much….then injured…..again. Foles playing lights out…..then a total clunker. Matt Barkley is…….oh never mind. Cruel league plays with our hearts even when we know better. Then I think, at least were not Bills fans. I know, I know, you knew all along and werent going to get pulled in. But you rooted and had dreams when things clicked. Imagine if they won that Chargers game, fugeddaboutit

    • Will

      Yeah 4-12 is 4 and 12……..who were we kidding….outside of the Washington game the dream is a nightmare…the players we have are high Character and very poor at executing…tackling is better ….till blocking improves team continues to fizzle…

  • therealpistolp

    So since the backup and the backups backup couldn’t put up 30 against starting defenses they got his offense figured??? Let’s get real fans, writers, analyst, etc.. 2+2 still = 4… Blame the injured QB.. Not a handicapped coach… He has made some ridiculous decisions but they ain’t figure him out yet..

  • phillyeagle77

    Dennis Dixion!!!!

  • #7

    I surely hope not, but we’ve been getting completely manhandled the last couple of weeks

  • johnjohn

    Coaching accounts for only 10% of what you need to win games. Ill line up as a receiver tell the corner my route and they still wont stop it if im a better player. Its simple football. What does sceme have to do with the run game? If your running left make sure you keep your guy to your right and dont let him run left ROCKET SCIENCE. Put a hat on a hat, move bodies or plays wont work. Andy reid was also figured out right……8-0. Players play, we need players stop holding coachs so accountable. Calvin johnson is triple teamed and catchs 14 balls over 300 yards because the sceme right?. Either you can play or you cant, Focker out!

  • #7

    VIck will be back people. Write it down.

    • Richard Colton

      in Jacksonville

      • #7

        Good one

  • Tom w

    Read bill barnwells weekly article dopes for those who think the offense has been figured after ranking 2d for 6 weeks rather than Barkley, foles worst game ever, and injured Vick being the problem. Dopes