Observations: Giants 15, Eagles 7

mccoy_400102613Here’s what we saw during today’s Eagles-Giants game.

OFFENSE

* The Eagles’ offense is in a rut, having scored a total of three points in the last two games. They had six punts and three turnovers today against a Giants team that came in with a 1-6 record.




* Michael Vick lasted four possessions, but clearly wasn't close to 100 percent and was pulled in favor of Matt Barkley late in the second quarter. Vick went 6-for-9 for 31 yards. He was intercepted on the Eagles' first possession, looking for Brent Celek. And on the next possession, Vick had James Casey in the flat, but held on to the ball and fumbled.

* Matt Barkley came into the game on the Eagles' final possession of the half. He drove them down the field, completing six of seven passes for 55 yards, but fumbled in the red zone. The Eagles had a 1st-and-goal from the 2 and called a pass play. Barkley rolled to his left, and instead of throwing the ball away, was stripped and turned it over. It was his fourth turnover in four possessions as the Eagles' quarterback. Overall, Barkley was 17-for-26 for 158 yards and an interception.

* Chip Kelly chose not to hand the ball to McCoy on that 1st-and-goal play from the 2. McCoy had just 7 yards on six carries in the first half. The Eagles could have potentially gone into halftime down, 12-7. Instead, it was 12-0. McCoy had some better luck in the second half and finished with 48 yards on 15 carries.

* DeSean Jackson had eight catches on 11 targets for 63 yards, but couldn't get anything going downfield. On a third down in the second half, he ran a crossing pattern, made the catch, but lost yardage after the ball was in his hands, trying to avoid defenders. The Eagles were forced to punt.

* Barkley fumbled his first snap from Jason Kelce, but picked it up and found Celek for 9 yards. Barkley later fumbled a snap on fourth down and threw over Jason Avant's head.

* Did you notice Celek asking out because of an injury on the Eagles' fourth possession? Instead of taking him out or calling timeout, the Eagles kept Celek in as McCoy was dropped for a 3-yard loss.

* Jackson was back to return a punt in the first half, and the Giants booted it out of bounds, giving the Eagles possession at their own 42.

* For some reason, the Eagles were still running the zone read (or what looked like the zone read) with Barkley in the game.

* On a fourth down in the fourth quarter, Barkley hit Avant for a first, but he was whistled for offensive pass interference.

* The Eagles' only points came in the fourth quarter. The Giants snapped the ball over the punter's head, and Najee Goode recovered it in the end zone for a touchdown.

* There were several questionable in-game decisions by Kelly, but the real head-scratcher was his decision to go with an onside kick with 4:11 left. The Eagles had a timeout and were down by 8 points. Seemed like kicking it away would have been the move there.

DEFENSE

* The Eagles' defense held up well for the most part, limiting the Giants to 15 points and only three in the second half. In the first half, Billy Davis' crew got scored on four times, but kept the Giants out of the end zone. Eli Manning finished 25-for-39 for 246 yards, no touchdowns and no interceptions.

* Victor Cruz had seven catches for 86 yards. Hakeem Nicks had seven for 51. The Eagles allowed three pass plays of 20+ yards in the first half.

* It seemed like Earl Wolff had his share of issues in coverage in the first half.

* Brandon Boykin came on a third-down blitz, hit Manning and forced a field-goal try in the second. On the previous series, Boykin gave up a 26-yard completion to Cruz.

* Fletcher Cox got good pressure on Manning on a third-down play in the red zone in the second. Manning ended up throwing incomplete on the play.

* Cary Williams looked like he got poked in the eye in the second. He was on the field for awhile, but returned on the next possession. Williams played well in the first half. On one drive, he stopped a screen for no gain and then had good coverage on Nicks in the end zone, forcing a field-goal try.

* Cedric Thornton and Mychal Kendricks were active against the run. Thornton had six tackles. Kendricks had 11 tackles (10 solo, one for loss).

* Connor Barwin had a nice series in the fourth, forcing Manning into an intentional grounding on one play and batting a ball at the line of scrimmage on the next.

* Nate Allen seemed to play well. He had a nice tackle on Nicks in the open field on third down in the second half to force a punt.

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  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Rough day.

  • dislikedisqus

    Simms and Hoge not looking so dumb.

    • Run Eagles Run

      hard to run the ball when the other team knows thats the only tool you have. easy to defend vick when you know he cant run.

  • Basscase

    Giants did enough to lose this game.

    Eagles did enough to lower ticket values on StubHub.

  • G_WallyHunter

    Gross, so gross… what a terrible sunday

  • Mr. Wu

    Phil Simms is one of the reasons I became an Eagles fan in the 80s….I hate him with a passion and the giants….nothing worse that vindicating that sack of shit

    • #7

      lol

    • Vick Must Go

      Phil Simms must go

  • evanphilly

    “Eagles had a 1st-and-goal from the 2 and called a pass play” Thought we fired Reid….

    This game is on Kelly. Terribly called game from start to finish. Very Reid-ish

    • Mr. Wu

      there were lots of AR calls today…..almost wished it was him calling the plays at one point

      • evanphilly

        Oh don’t worry…he has still left his stink of a roster for us to watch every week.

        • Dutch

          Roseman had opportunity to change those dynamics during Free Agency. I think if Barkley isn’t the guy, it’s time to dismantle the entire team, DJax, Shady and Peters have the most trade value, it’s time to consider extremes to position the Eagles for significant additions through the draft. Now if that is possible how comfortable are we with Roseman doing the selecting?

          • evanphilly

            I’m not comfortable with Roseman one bit. I think next year it becomes more of a Gamble-picked team, with Rosie has the face.

          • UKEagle99

            I don’t know, I think we have been Gambling on picks for a few years already.

          • Will

            I think Roseman is why AR wanted out of Philly…

          • kellyspringles

            big red didn’t want out of philly…

          • ztom6

            What would you have had them do in free agency? All things considered, Roseman’s job is probably safer than ever right now. The last couple of drafts aren’t the reason why they sucked it up the past two weeks, far from it.

      • Dutch

        Andy Reid calls today has him undefeated and the only undefeated team in the league. Andy looks prime for a run to the Super Bowl, you all can lay off Andy. He’s not the reason the Eagles are struggling in a weak division. Roseman had ample time to make the adjustments and find suitable talent through free agency to field a competitive team.

        • Will

          6-7 pro bowlers on a defense….he inherited

          • Dutch

            And he’s found a way to get them to play together instead of as individuals which benefits the team, those same 6 or 7 pro Bowlers were horrible as a unit last season.

            That’s what a good coach is supposed to accomplish. unification of purpose.

          • Will

            Happy for him……….Hope the Dolphin record gets beat. AR can coach not draft….

          • Richard Colton

            He’s coach of the year right now. long season though.

          • Dutch

            There is no doubt about that, all that is left now is for KC to remain focused on single games at hand.

        • Weapon Y

          Roseman never made an offensive line coach be a defensive coordinator.

        • djack10

          Reid’s primed to go all the way to the Conference Championship game and lose. His specialty.

    • JBrooks

      Andy Reid is undefeated at this point…

      • evanphilly

        Yup. Reminded of this by his two biggest fanboys, every weekday from 6AM to 10AM

        • JBrooks

          I dont want calls like Reid used to call anymore either, im just saying from your argument standpoint, it doesnt make sense because KC is doing things that Philly cant even think about doing. That being said, i dont understand why (Reid included) when you have such a stud RB, you dont run the ball on first and goal from the 2… mind boggling…

          • evanphilly

            KC has a D to fall back on. That offense doesn’t need to score 24+ a game to win on most weeks. Also, Reid is finding a way to get the ball into his best offensive player 20+ times a game. Chip needs to do a better job of getting Shady more involved in the passing game

          • d.j

            Please dont say “do a better job” sorry man..

          • evanphilly

            Hahaha..good catch! Sorry for the Reid-ian slip and I apologize to everyone on this board for the flashbacks.

      • #7

        Look at his roster and look what he left us with

        • Dutch

          But that’s the same roster KC played with last season so it’s apparent that Andy Reid is adding something that was not there in 2012. Those same players only managed to win 4 games last season under another coach.

          • #7

            AR can coach man. Just saying..

          • Dutch

            Well he had a 14 year apprenticeship

          • #7

            Yep

    • d.j

      Very Reid-ish.. im going to puke.. – its true.

    • Basscase

      First and goal on the 2, and you put it in the hands of your rookie qb, and NOT with your #1 ranked run offense.

      That’s mind-numbingly stupid.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Yup….. terrible calls. gross day

    • Dutch

      Barkley was already in a tough spot and some of the calls seemed to make his situation worse. This is a learning experience for everybody involved with the Eagles, namely Chip Kelly. I’m ok with that so long as Kelly doesn’t repeat the same mistakes.

      3 & 5 at the mid point coming off a 4 win campaign. The Eagles are still in the race for the division but we need help from division rivals to beat other division rivals for any hope, Dallas has to lose twice inside the division and the Giants have to drop another game inside the division.

      The road is tough but it’s possible and worth seeing this thing play out.

      • evanphilly

        There are going to be questions this week on if Vick should have even started the game at less than 100%. It was very obvious from the first offensive possession that he couldn’t move, so why not give Barkley at least 50% of the first team snaps in practice (I know he got some, but clearly not enough) to get him used to the first teamers.

        Kelly and this team is a work-in-progress and I think they will be better in years 2,3 and so on. More guys that fit the system will come in and guys will be pushed out. And good point on Kelly and his mistakes…don’t know if he is making the same ones, but he is making new ones week to week. Billy Davis has done a good job of adjusting to his personnel, and Kelly needs to do the same.

        Not sure if I want them to make the playoffs this year, it would be great and anything could happen if they get in, but they NEED a QB on this team and a lower draft pick hurts that process. Hopefully Foles and Barkley can show enough the rest of the year to get a decent return in a trade.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          “…so why not give Barkley at least 50% of the first team snaps in practice…”

          Kelly didn’t trust Barkley in the offense. It’s easy to see why. I like Barkley, but clearly he’s not ready yet.

      • Uncle Carm

        This web site has given me most of my knowledge of the zone read, but isn’t it the quarterbacks job to figure out whether to hand it off, keep it or pass it? I don’t care how slow you run, but when there is no one on your half of the field I think an octogenarian in a walker could have gained 5 to 10 yards in a lot of those situations. Instead he handed it to the running back with defensive lineman already draped over their back. Barkley is a rookie getting few snaps, but the coaches should have had him a little better prepared knowing Vick was still fighting his injury.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          “I don’t care how slow you run, but when there is no one on your half of
          the field I think an octogenarian in a walker could have gained 5 to 10
          yards in a lot of those situations”

          Yeah. And that’s my big issue with Barkley. Either he was making the wrong reads or he didn’t want to run. Both of those are a problem. A BIG problem.

          • ztom6

            Or the playcall wasn’t letting him keep it. According to Kelly himself, not every play that looks like a zone read is really a zone read. Now that said, if that was the case, at some point he needs to put the keeper option on the table and let Barkley go pick up a first down or two.

    • Weapon Y

      Against the Skins, Chip called a ton of Inside Power runs to Shady. He hasn’t called them at all since then. As much as I despise Merrill Hoge, I have to agree with him that the Eagles run game can’t just rely on bouncing Shady outside every play. Where I disagree with him is the idea that Chips never run those plays before. For whatever reason, he’s stopped calling them and it’s killed the running game.

  • Engwrite

    Chip Kelly has been telling us he is no genius. I’m starting to believe him

    • #7

      OMG lol

    • Run Eagles Run

      I think its a little early to blame kelly. Barkley fumble inside the ten, doubt he drew the play that way. Td would have changed everything there.

      • Basscase

        Your #1 ranked run offense, at the 2, does not get the call.

        Dumb dumb dumb dumb STUPID.

        • Run Eagles Run

          Because shady looked so good today, and the giants would have never seen that coming, right? If barkley, who knew a defender was behind him, gets rid of it, its still 2 yards from the endzone.

          • Basscase

            First and goal from the 2.

            Advocating a pass in that situation, no matter the play call, is folly.

          • Jason

            You are kidding right? With 1:12 left in the half. So what if they get stopped, the clock runs and its second down. Throwing in that situation was almost as stupid as calling an immediate timeout.

      • Engwrite

        With this offensive line and RBs and a 3rd string qb on 1st and goal at the 2 you choose to pass? That’s on Kelly, not on Barkley.

      • d.j

        whhhat? read below comment. if we know it? reinventing the wheel does not last more than 2 weeks in this league – its the bigs..

      • Vick Must Go

        I disagree. A naked left boot with a right handed QB is a terrible terrible call. Just terrible. A pocket pass, a right boot… even a left boot with protection would have been acceptable (or obviously a run).

    • d.j

      I’m a genius at coaching t-ball – if you handed me the local high school team? – not so sure we would win anytime soon.. – over hyped product.. today’s norm.

  • Run Eagles Run

    Hard to do sometimes, but there are positives to take from this game. D once again hold opposing team under 20. If Kelly can get his offense where he wants it, this team can win some games. QB situation is tough. Read option doesnt work unless opposing teams believe eagles QB can hurt them with his legs. That possibility isnt there for the eagles with Vick’s bum hammy, or Foles and barkley’s slowness.

    • Always Hopeful

      What the hell has happened to the offense? I’m sure we can state many things but dang, talk about things falling apart. The defense did it’s part as far as I’m concerned. I EXPECT them to hold people to FG’s or less than 20 pts now :-) Crazy first half of the season. Let’s see what Foles or Barkley can do down the stretch. Chip’ll have to ditch the read option, OR tell Foles or Barkley run at least a few times a game to keep the d honest. Ah, I don’t know….grateful for the improvement on d, depressed about the o’s regression :-(

      • Run Eagles Run

        Agreed

    • Vick Must Go

      I want to pull up all those quotes from Laurie, Roseman, and Kelly that stated he would mold his offense to his players, not mold his players to his offense.

      Then why are we seeing Barkley and Foles running the option, when neither have any inclination to run it even if wide open. The assertion that the offense would be molded to the players is a farse. I want someone to ask Kelly this question!

      • Dutch

        You should have started that topic on defense, why would you negate Fletcher Cox’s and Vinny Curry’s defensive talents playing them in a 2 gap scheme?

        • Vick Must Go

          Seems it would have been better to transition them into a 3-4… but hard to argue with the results.

    • Richard Colton

      you mean Vick’s re-injured bum hammy

      • Run Eagles Run

        You really believe he was 100% at tge start of today? How naive.

        • Richard Colton

          guess you’re not watching the press conferences. He said he re-injured it.

          • Run Eagles Run

            So you believe everything you hear in a press conference? You’re being naive.

          • Richard Colton

            You can keep saying the same thing, but its not going to change it Run. Was Vick’s hammy 100%? No. But he re-injured it today. He described the play. He described the pop. Its reinjured. Knock it off – you were wrong. Happens to everyone.

          • Run Eagles Run

            Haha. You’re a gullible moron.

          • Richard Colton

            Vick made it up for no reason? Unbelievable how clueless you are. Do yourself a favor and watch the presser. Pretty clear he did more damage.

          • d.j

            hamstrings = slow heal at any age. zero chance he would be a factor. 100% chance that it just set him back another week.
            another terrible coaching decision… Barkley was not prepared.. – another poor decision. throw on the 2 yd line, etc, etc… terrible back ups on offence.. no second receiver, no 2nd RB, Celek got old, on and on…

          • Dutch

            He may be set back a month on the re injury, that was a horrible decision to play the oldest player who just happens to be suffering from a hamstring injury.

          • Richard Colton

            I don’t see how he plays vs. Oakland next week. We may find ourselves tied with the Giants.

          • Run Eagles Run

            So he wasn’t 100% but he wasn’t playung injured. Brilliant logic.

    • d.j

      shut up hippie. the entire season will be a wretched, slow, Sunday blood letting..

      • Run Eagles Run

        Whays wrong? Mommy took away your xbox?

        • Richard Colton

          he’s an xbox?!?

          • Run Eagles Run

            Haha. Attcking my autocorrect spelling error is a sign of a defeated child. Don’t be made because I exposed you as a moron, dick.

          • Richard Colton

            blaming autocorrect is the last refuge of the scoundrel. I’m drunk and I still know that’s not an autocorrect error. Tomorrow I’ll be sober and you’ll still be an idiot.

            Still believe Mike didn’t re-injure the hammy, or has reality set in yet?

          • Run Eagles Run

            Its really hilarious how sad, stupid, and angry you are.

  • D-Von Funk

    What a joke. Not being able to score a point on offense against this Giants D is absolutely pathetic, I don’t care who’s under center. Back-to-back wasted defensive efforts. Our D is actually starting to show signs of really coming together and playing some sound football, and it’s all for naught because our O can’t do squat. Week after week our “genius” HC is making some really mind-numbing decisions, and quite frankly, it’s costing us games. Don’t trust your field goal kicker to hit a 50-yarder? Then he shouldn’t be on the roster, period. But it’s funny because he trusted him to hit a 60-yarder last week. Four and change left on the clock with one timeout and the two-minute warning and down by one score? Sure, let’s try an onside kick and give the Giants the ball at midfield. This is not rocket science, yet our college coach is making it real hard on this team to win football games. The HC is supposed to put his team in the best position to win, and through 8 weeks of football, Chip hasn’t done that.

    • #7

      Couldn’t have said it better

    • Run Eagles Run

      Amazing how everyone expected 8-8 and are now mad as that’s the type of year were getting. Cmon guys. Be realistic.

      • Will

        3-13 would be best at this point, draft high and get rid of all these sub NFL player’s, keep McCoy, get a franchise QB, and get a Defense. The Offensive Line was suppose to be a strength of this team.

      • Basscase

        I expected 6-10 with improvements.

        Getting shut out by the Cowboys and Giants at home does not display that.

  • Mr. Wu

    meanwhile Dallas is winning a real game against detroit…..well here’s looking at April

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      “meanwhile Dallas is winning a real game against detroit”

      But they lost.

  • Addicted2Mula

    Offence plays good defence some shit. Vice versa. High draft pick?

  • Basscase

    Kelly on the 1st and goal: That’s what I called.

    Someone hand me a frying pan.

  • ztom6

    The onside kick is not a headscratcher at all. They had one timeout left, so no matter where they are on the field the defense needs to force 3 and out or the game is over.

    • D-Von Funk

      And field position means nothing?

      • ztom6

        You weigh field position against the odds of recovering the kick. The difference between the Giants punting from the 25 vs. from the 50 isn’t that drastic though.

    • RIP illa

      So you mean they had a T.O., 4+ mins left, the 2min warning, and could have had the giants at least starting at their 20 w/ the D playing well enough that a 3 and out was not out of the realm of reason??? Hell, even a 6 and out could have gotten us the ball back w/ somewhat enough time to try and come back.

      • ztom6

        A 6 and out is exactly what happened. How much time was left?

        • RIP illa

          Like you said field position!!! You actually have a shot at a punt return or the ball closer to the endzone then them putting from just past mid field. And you’re still forgetting that a 3 and out was do-able.

          • ztom6

            What’s your point? If you don’t get the onsides, you play for the 3 and out, which is exactly what happened. Yes, you lose some field position. But there’s also a chance you get the ball. It’s a gamble, but it doesn’t hurt you that badly all things considered.

          • RIP illa

            Oh my god…seriously??? What’s my point??? Come on dude…we had a realistic chance at having better than just, “some field position”. What are the chances of recovering an onsides kick??? Stop it!!!

          • ztom6

            Again, what’s the difference between the Giants punting from the 25 and punting from the 50? It’s actually less than 25 yards. It really is not some huge deal. Either way, if you don’t force a 3 and out, you get the ball back with < :30 left and no timeouts needing a touchdown, at which point it doesn't matter that much where you are on the field.

          • RIP illa

            Lol…ok.

          • ztom6

            btw, odds of recovering an onsides kick in the NFL = 26%.

          • OregonEagle

            and probably 33% if nobody believes you would actually do it.

    • Mr. Wu

      I didnt hate the onside call either…that was one of the better questionable decisions today

      • Vick Must Go

        Love it! One of the “better questionable decisions today.” Classic!

  • RIP illa

    Ok Vick sucked plain and simple!!! Some of us knew he would and why! If some of you want to keep the focus on him then go right ahead. It’s your prerogative.

    I however put this crapfest on Kelly. For one, he made the call to start Vick…that’s a coaches call, and yes I know the alternative would have been a full game of Barkley. All last week Vick wasn’t speaking w/ any confidence about his hammy, the same this week, but then since Friday he’s supposedly speaking like he’s 100%…WHAAAT???

    And lastly, the play calls and that stupid ass onsides kick…I posted so much in the in-game thread about it, and seemingly every week in-game, that I don’t know what else to say! I can’t blame Barkely at all. Can’t even blame the O-line and they showed horribly today, Nor Coop who can’t get off press/man to save his life, nor Djax and his piss poor attitude! Can’t think of a bigger culprit than Chip right now!!!

    • Basscase

      The Genius looked a lot like Wile E. Coyote today.

      • #7

        LOL

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Well…many of us said a gimpy Vick was a bad idea and a healthy Barkley was a better option. But I will say I can see why they decided to roll with Vick. It is what it is.

      • RIP illa

        Yup!!! But Kelly and his suspect scheme and calls don’t fall into the it is what it is category, as it is still happening. Something’s gotta give w/ this man and Fans on here need to wake up and not take such umbrage when so called analyst point out the flaws of this team and coach!!!

  • #7

    Damn..Terelle Pryor just ran for a 93yd TD lol Damn

  • Will

    What a freaking disaster Eagles football is a laughing stock!

  • RIP illa

    EPIC Dallas loss!!! I want a Calvin Johnson on our squad!!!

    • Pennguino

      No one knew that Stafford was going to do that. That was all on him. WOW

      • RIP illa

        I’m talking about the WR of Johnson all game/career and the catch that lead up to that. Great play by Stafford, no doubt…Still would rather have a Calvin Johnson on the squad…hands down!!! So if you’re the idiot that down voted me for that statement…well then you’d just be an idiot!!!

        • Pennguino

          I want Calvin on our squad but it will never happen. Well more than likely that it wont. I would take Calvin over most QB’s in the league.

          Naaa. I didn’t down vote you. Doesn’t it show who DV a post?

          Edit: I just up/down voted my post. Only shows up post.

          • RIP illa

            No but I primarily am on here from my phone. And I know we’re never gonna get Calvin, so a said a Calvin Johnson. Meaning a WR in the mold of him. Like the kid that saves Manziel throws to…Evans!!! If we pick somewhere towards the top 10 but not in the top 10…I wouldn’t mind taking him w/ the 1st round pick, depending on what QBs are on the board. And yes I know we need D help and would love D help.

    • Richard Colton

      only thing that kept me off the Walt Whitman – the sad Romo face and Dez Bryant sideline meltdown

    • d.j

      TEBOW TO JOHNSON.. Maurice Clarret replaces bryce..

  • Pennguino

    what a play by Stafford. That is a pure HEADY call. Great play! Time running out and he is screaming for everyone to get to the LOS on the 1/2 yard line. He is motioning spike like 30 times as they hike the ball he stretches over for the TD and the win. GREAT PLAY

  • Token

    Remember when they said they had like 60% of the offense installed in week 1. How is that?

    From what I can tell there are about 12 plays ran out of 3 formations.

  • #7

    Can’t even blame the QBs anymore. This was pathetic. People will say that Vick sucked, but the man was on one leg apparently. Have fun with that if it makes you feel good. To me, that’s a coache’s call.

    Now to the real culprit, Chip Kelly. WTF are we looking at here? I doubt that Shady will ever have a 100yd game again this year unless he makes adjustments…and the question is…can he? It sure doesn’t look like it.

    How does he get away with his decision making? Has this been AR, the media would have been all over his ass, yet Chip gets a pass. What’s up with that?

    2pt conversion against the Chiefs.

    Not knowing a TO could get Vick back in the game against SD.

    60 FG but doesn’t trust the kicker to kick a 50yd FG.

    Onside kick with 4 minutes left..with a timeout left.

    Someone help me here. The blame can’t fall at the feet of FOles, Vick, or Barkley. They deserve their share, but the HC it is his responsibility. This is some bullshit. Where is the blame at for Chip?

    • Basscase

      His decisions have been inconsistent at best. He’s ruined Henery, made stupid calls and created the worst qb controversy in years. Plus, I’m sure he’s lost folk with how he’s played with Vick/Barkley in the locker room, and Foles is somewhere on Gilligan’s Island.

      You can give him some slack, but the lack of adjustments and the questionable decisions make you wonder. Some things you can learn, but if some of this stuff doesn’t come natural, forget it.

      • OregonEagle

        If your QB and receivers can’t beat man coverage when it’s offered it doesn’t make any difference what you call.

      • #7

        Couldn’t have said it better

    • calllingitlikeIseeit2

      Bad QB play is bad QB play. Vick knows his body better than anyone on the Eagles staff does. He said he was okay; he wasn’t. Have the stones to admit that Vick hurt the team.

      • Basscase

        It’s up to the HC to see how Vick runs and make the decision, not to allow his qb to strong arm him.

        Blame can be spread like butter, but Kelly has looked bad recently.

      • #7

        Whate else is a player going say? Of course Vick is going to that he can go. The HC, is supposed to see differently

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Everyone is assuming Kelly thought Vick was 100. Vick never said he was. Kelly didn’t say he was. They thought he was good enough to play and for reasons we saw didn’t want to start Barkley.

        Hamstrings are tricky. They gambled. It didn’t work. They did the right thing and not too much damage was done before the change was made.

        • Basscase

          It’s the Head Coach’s responsibility to protect the players, sometimes from themselves.

          I don’t see how Kelly thought Vick was good on Friday, but benched on Sunday, and not think Kelly was desperate

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Yeah. But I think Kelly was desperate. It’s clear Barkley isn’t ready for primetime…and the Giants was a VERY winnable game. He gambled. They gambled.

        • Vick Must Go

          Most intelligent post from you ever. Well done, Ma’am.

        • Richard Colton

          more damage was done. It popped again. re-injured. Vick confirmed.

          • Will

            I said all week he should sit…dumbass…

          • Richard Colton

            nobody knows yet – but I’m betting Vick doesn’t play in Oakland because of this. We got four whole series out of him. terrible decision.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Well I was talking about the game. Not the initial decision. I have been clear all week that I thought Vick should sit out this game and that this was likely to end badly.

          • Richard Colton

            well you were right. Vick had no business being in this game

    • Richard Colton

      Best I can do is say that CK is a rookie too. The thing with Reid is that we kept getting the same arrogant head-scratching calls week after week 14 years in a row.

      • cliff henny

        pretty much. onside kick didnt bother me, either way d has to go 3 and out, least he gave ST a chance. liking barkley more than i thought i would, but it’s just lip service when kelly says he doesnt need a running qb. at least this version of offense does.
        .
        ps…i F’N hate cooper…the guy is worthless on the field

        • Richard Colton

          Cooper wouldn’t be a bad 53rd or 54th man on the squad. Great special teams guy covering kicks/punts. hands team. great hair for the team photo. occasional scandal when there’s a slow week.

          • #7

            lol

          • cliff henny

            about 8-10 guys that should never even see camp next yr. damarius johnson is another. strong wind knockshim over

          • #7

            Yeah. He hasn’t done shit this year. Nothing

          • cliff henny

            celek, gone. i mean want these guys gone tonight! herrmann needs to sit next to maclin and casey on the bench. he was getting steamrolled. runningright is a waste of time.

          • d.j

            Thats what Andy thought about Brian Finneran and Danny Amendola.

          • Richard Colton

            Finneran’s hair was terrible. no bounce.

          • d.j

            this is true..

      • #7

        Cmon man. You watched the game. These mistakes…no coach should do this. I guess I’ve finally fallen to you guys level. I’ve lost faith in this team

        • Richard Colton

          well there are still two teams for you in the NFC East to fall in love with. RGIII or ELI?

          • cliff henny

            rough day for him, take it easy…between dallas and vick

          • #7

            Your b ass never stop. I’m sure you’re happy about this. Have fun clown.

            You up vote my post then you talk shit lol. Dick “Fair Weather” Colton.

            Yep, that sounds about right. And TROLL on top of that. We’re supposed to be pissed and you’re HAPPY about a loss

          • Richard Colton

            happy that you “lost faith in (your) team”? Naa. I’ll probably have some fun with you over that one. Then again, losing faith in your team is your m.o.

          • #7

            For the season bro. Like you did back in preseason. Remember?

          • d.j

            i have lost faith in everything. God, Love, Mankind, single malt..

    • Vick Must Go

      The naked left boot on the 2 with a right handed QB was disasterous

  • Mr. Wu

    go lions…well at least that makes me smile

  • Addicted2Mula

    Cowboys lose!!!!!

    • JBrooks

      LOVE IT!!!

  • anon

    We are obviously tanking for a qb. Lets do a story about that.

    • Will

      That’s the sad part they aren’t just looks that way…they are that bad…

  • d.j

    Ok.. so 12 really smart, professional defensive coaches, have 5 meetings a week, sit in a room, glued to the computer for 12 hours a day,(and in their sleep) dissecting your new age version,of the west coast offence. Chip, obviously did not get that memo…

  • Will

    Chip is smart enough to know he needs a QB of the future only way to get a great one is to tank the season.

    • Basscase

      Then he deserves to lose the locker room.

      • Will

        Other than the Defense and ST, the Offense looks stuck on stupid out there.

        • Will

          Jag’s 0-8, Tampa 0-7, Vikes 1-5, GNats 2-6,…..tank it for that 3rd pick in the draft….ya figure Manziel, Clowney, Brigdewater, Mariota all go in the first 4 picks….

          • Vick Must Go

            No chance Manziel will go in the top 4. He will drop like a stone

      • Will

        After today performance I’d say it’s lost…

      • #7

        There it is

    • d.j

      That doesn’t fly in the big leagues. These are not normal people. if they were? they would not be playing in this league. your average high school baller is a savage bad ass. – think about it. A new qb is going to stop a coach from calling a pass play on the 2 yd line..

      • Will

        Going forward when Vick is gone who do you put in at QB to run Chip’s offense? Logical choice is Mariota. How do you get him? Jag’s, Tampa, and Vikes all need a QB. They will pick the first three picks so far….gonna have to work a deal with one of them…if you had the 3rd or 4th pick it would help your chances. 3-13 would get you close. let’s say Vick is out 4-6 weeks. I do not see Matt Barkley winning anything. Foles may go 1-5 so what’s the point? Tank get the QB you need to be successful.

        The Eagles need Offensive line help with 3 guys at 31, WR’s need an upgrade, you need a Franchise QB, and Defensively all across the board. So where do you start? QB’s usually go high in the draft.

        • d.j

          I here ya.. it just doesn’t work in the NFL.

          • Will

            Funny thing is this team is really that bad to end up 3-13 c’mon they have not been able to score. Defenses stacking the box taking McCoy out of the game and playing man coverage. Without a healthy Vick .McCoy has no chance.

          • d.j

            Season is officially a nightmare. can only hope they lose the rest.. sign of the Apocalypse.. – Tebow signs monday.

        • Richard Colton

          this isn’t the NBA. that said…they still only have three wins, and based on how they played today, 3-12 is a possibility

  • d.j

    They became professional coaches partly because they tend to be the obsessive types.. – in the shower, at breakfast, lunch dinner, ipad, iphone, – I think we can all agree the hype? was just that. some of the worst movies,restaurants,everything… in our consumer lives is ultra-hyped. our coach – a product. jigs up.. our coach, and staff is also performing rookie like.- Hippie version of the left coast offence..

  • d.j

    are the Toronto Argonauts playing tonight?

  • cliff henny

    jesus…i dont remember that bad of a showing since the marion campbell days.

  • cliff henny

    glass half full….i had us picking 12-15, settling for manziel at 8-10 because of trading up cost…now, we’ll be right in the Mariota/Bridgewater sweepstakes

    • Richard Colton

      I’m hoping that’s the long term solution. My short term solution is, however, scotch.

      • Will

        Drink up my friend it’s gonna get ugly before it gets better.

      • cliff henny

        yessir! just sat down with 2 advils and some johnny walker.
        .
        still not sure we’ll suck enough to get in top4…minne, jax, tb have a heck of a headstart. still see pssibility od manziel, but certainly brought other 2 into play

        • Richard Colton

          that’s the thing. nobody tanks in the NFL. I think the northern Florida teams are historically bad. 1-15 or 2-14 possible. I think the Vikes and AD can catch us.

          • cliff henny

            3 -13 gets 3rd or 4th. anyone with 7th and 10th picks? tradeback take manziel and evans-next cjohnson, man is that guy great

          • Richard Colton

            I hate when teams get clever. It isn’t a reach if you think a QB is your franchise guy. If (and its still an if as far as Im concerned) they think Manziel is their guy, take him when you draft. Other point is well taken – we need a WR too.

          • cliff henny

            and G, slot, nt, olb, ilb, cb, ss…other than that, right there.
            .
            and soap another guy that should never see field again! he gets pushed 3 or 4 yards back every run

          • Will

            yup…LMAO…

          • Vick Must Go

            Also FS and WR. And hopefully a returner???

          • Richard Colton

            somehow the list seems incomplete

          • cliff henny

            because that’s just the starters! need kicker too

          • Will

            Any kicker that’s unreliable after 40 yards needs to go…

          • Richard Colton

            Norway is on line one Cliff. Kickalicious.

          • RIP illa

            Totally agree w/ your assessment although I’m not a fan of Manziel. Seen to many plays that would kill us at this level but that he can get away w/ in college. Anyway, a G can be picked up via FA. A NT in the 4th or 5th round, an ILB in the 3rd, and maybe a good CB in the 2nd. That gives us a WR, S, OLB, and QB to choose from in the 1st unless a S slips which is not out of the realm of possibility and if we don’t bundle picks for a trade offer. This is all speaking generally, of course. So we got Barr, Dix, Evans, to choose from if we stay on this slide and maybe Mariota, Hundley, Manziel, etc. Is Winston eligible?

          • cliff henny

            i get people can question his size and weight, maybe arm strength-though he little bigger(brees romo size and better arm than most people like to give him credit), but think alot of the other complaints are espn manufactured bs-how they build up tear down at same time-like eagles offense. fact is, if people have watched him, and i live in heart of sec country so i do get more games than up in philly, he’s played alot more under control. to me, the guy is lighting up sec, in historic fashion. how many times do people say about mariota or hundley or bridgewater ‘let’s see them do it against an sec team’…well, jm is doing it weekly. i wasnt huge on guy till 2nd time he destroyed ‘bama. at some point, we just have say there’s something there. oh, he likes beer, he likes courtside seats, he likes couple bucks in his pocket, bfd…guy put up near 100 against bama in 2 meetings.
            .
            no, winston is ’15. think w/ wolff, need 25-26 yr old young vet safety-byrd if healthy seems logical. from names i’ve read and watched, ’14 looks like top 10 has some crazy great players. evans, wr, is 6-8, that guy is stupid good.

      • d.j

        Dewar’s. 4 fingers – 1 cube

    • Vick Must Go

      I think Manziel is gonna drop to the 2nd, unless he stays in college. He has looked really unimpressive this year. Reminds me of Tim Tebow.

      • cliff henny

        how in the world does he remind you of tebow? manziel is throwing for 350-400 yd 3-4tds against sec competition week in week out. tebow didnt even run a high school offense. that is like comparing spurrier to kelly
        .
        manziel has already said he’s leaving.

        • Will

          Manziel is a party animal well documented a beer guzzling idiot off the field won’t pass Eagles Character phase….High Character players and all…

          • cliff henny

            well dcumented…ok. you watch too much espn. sure kelce cooper never hit a frat party. whole eagles team is hitting the clubs tonight to blow off steam

          • Will

            Saw a documentary film on Johnny Football…………

        • Vick Must Go

          I’ll buy you a beer if Manziel goes in the top 10.

          • Will

            Wow….in a QB driven league? first 3 teams all need a QB? Bridgewater, Mariota, …………,………………next 2 would be?

          • Vick Must Go

            In a QB driven league, Manuel wasn’t drafted until 12 and the second QB wasn’t drafted until the 2nd round. In a QB driven league, Aaron Rodgers dropped like a stone. In a QB driven league, Brady Quinn dropped like a stone. In a QB driven league, Smith dropped like a stone. And, yes, in a QB driven league Manziel will drop like a stone.

            I’ll buy a beer for you as well if he is in the top 10. Will you offer me the same if he isn’t?

          • Richard Colton

            pure conjecture now. Last November Mantai Te’o was a top 5 pick and nobody knew who Eric Fisher was.

          • Will

            Jags,Tampa, Vikes all could use a QB hard to say they all go QB…that’s all……..might be a run on QB’s this upcoming draft…

          • Vick Must Go

            This year, the Eagles, Jags, Cardinals, Bills, Raiders, Chiefs, etc all needed QBs. And only 1 was drafted in the 1st round.

          • RIP illa

            Bills are gonna stick w/ E.J. So eliminate them from that pool. Yea…one less team to compete w/. So wish we had the ammo for Teddy B.

          • Vick Must Go

            Read my comment again. Those teams needed a QB, and only 1 was drafted in round 1… which was to the Bills. So next year, the bills will not need a QB.

          • RIP illa

            Gotcha mistook this year for meaning this upcoming draft and not this past draft. Which technically u would be right a way seeing as how this up coming draft would be the 2014

          • Vick Must Go

            Its a location thing. Moving around the country, I’ve found that “this” vs. “next” and “last” all mean different things. If I tell you next Friday in Pennsylvania, you think 10 days from now. If I do it in Cali, they think 3 days from now. In Penna, 3 days from now is “this” Friday, not “next” Friday.

            All sorts of idiosyncrosies like this around the country.

          • Will

            okay I don’t drink but bet a beer against an Ice Tea he’s goes in 10….bar injury….

          • Vick Must Go

            Deal.

          • cliff henny

            he’ll be 7-14 i bet. think people are basing him offof last yr, he is playing much more in pocket, under control this yr. espn has soured too many on him, he’s not all streetball like it was last yr.

  • d.j

    Gold standard.

  • BleedGreenJames

    I like what I’ve seen the past 2 weeks, getting us closer to that man MARIOTA! 3-13 > winning this who cares division and getting obliterated at home in the playoffs.

    • d.j

      A.j McCarron

      • BleedGreenJames

        See: Greg McElroy, they’re the same dude.

      • cliff henny

        rather roll with a concussed foles

      • Will

        Foles should be back in time for Oakland….

    • Will

      Marcus Mariota has experience and yet to play in the 4th quarter of a game this year.

      • cliff henny

        cant hold success against the guy.

      • d.j

        same as the coach.. the ducks typically beat teams by 300 points. – big leagues

      • BleedGreenJames

        Skill sets man, you look at skill sets with QBs. He’s 6’4, very mobile, extremely accurate, NFL arm, makes great, quick decisions. Just watch him at Stanford this week, he could probably change your mind after that one.

        • Will

          Marcus Mariota 6’4″ 215 lbs. 4.48 40 time and a rocket of an arm and boy is he quick to make up his mind….very impressive 20 year old kid on the 30th of this month.

          • cliff henny

            if kelly is sold, have to get him. it’sjust toal horsesh!t when kelly says he doesnt need running qb. he at least needs the threat.

          • Will

            You need an O-Line that blocks as well….Herremans is done, Kelce too small, they are trying…

          • cliff henny

            d just collaspes on shady. the backdoor was wide open like a Jenna Haze pornflick

          • Vick Must Go

            This comment has very little base in reality. Much to my dismay, Jenna Haze almost never goes backdoor.

            :}

          • Will

            CB had it covered Barkley wouldn’t have gotten very far…

          • cliff henny

            wasnt anyone within 20 yards most of the time. giants couldnt have cared less if barkley held onto ball

          • Will

            Right CB was there, when McCoy got the ball he trailed McCoy…

          • cliff henny

            you needed to hit expand screne on your tv then. there was no one paying any attention. and why would they?

          • Will

            Announcer’s saw it and talked about it….

          • cliff henny

            you mean moose johnson, well there ya go…i watched it on mute. sure goose had frightfully important tidbits also…worst announcers ever

    • UKEagle99

      Thats a great theory until you whiff on a pick and lose people due to the losing mentality. If it was that easy then the Jags would have more starting QBs than the rest if the league.

  • Vick Must Go

    Sheil, All 22 request please!!! The worst call was on the Barkley fumble. They ran a naked boot to the left side of the formation with a right handed QB. Would have been a reasonable call with the left handed Vick… but for a right handed QB off the bench? A left hander flicks it away for an incomplete. Barkley had to turn his body which opened him up for the fumble. Terrible call.

    • d.j

      Chill.. Tebow will be at the nova care center tomorrow. – I would not be shocked if chip called a “statue of liberty” call..

      • UKEagle99

        Tebow is fixing scoreboards now? Ours is certianly broken.

  • Will

    Maclin on the sideline smiling what a piece of shat….sitting next to Vick watching the Offense just crumble….

    • d.j

      Dudes a warrior on the field. its the pros man.. there not going to cry on the bench. bad day at work, bad season. they know what time it is..

      • Will

        Maclin be gone next year….with any luck….

        • UKEagle99

          And Cooper signed to a long term deal? Or do we draft Bryant 2.0 in the 1st? Free agency? People on here are calling for DJax to be gone, that leaves me playing wideout.

  • d.j

    Chip needs to make some calls. he is over his head. witty sound bites, coach speak, its all standard, from high school up they all know what to say win or lose. – beat up QB, top receiver that refused to put the work in and bulk up, refuses to block.. – very poor attitude. Macklin hurt, average corners, horrible safetys.. – bringing back bad childhood memories.. – 1978 all over again.

    • ACViking

      1978?

      Vermeil led Eagles to their first winning season in 12 years in ’78. And first playoff appearance in 18 years.

      1963, 1969, 1983 are all better choices.

    • UKEagle99

      Speak for yourself, I have very fond childhood memories from 1978.

      • d.j

        you didn’t have any 7 TD memories;)

  • d.j

    sixers, flyers, birds.. – long winter.

  • Dutch

    This game was loss before the coin toss. Bringing out Vick when he wasn’t 100% was a mistake. He was a lame duck in the pocket who could not move away from the rush or use his instincts. Barkley should have gotten all of the first team reps in practice this week and he may have been better prepared, although he is not the sole reason for this loss.

    Still again put in a tough situation the kid played like a cold rookie with limited practice time would be expected, 65% completion and 9 yds per reception and he had no support from the run game.

    • cliff henny

      i like him more than i thought i would. fumble was pure speed of the game. just can compare rookies who get all offseason with 1st teamers like manuel and smith to a guy who was working w/ 3’s and 4’s.

      • Dutch

        All this kid needs is time to heel, and time to adjust to the speed of the game which he does not get in practice. The Eagles do not practice at full speed if they did, chances are they would have never put Vick out there today.

        • Richard Colton

          Vick hurt, sub comes in and moves the ball well against the Giants. I predict Barkley throws for 298 and 3 TDs vs. the Raiders, wins NFC player of the week, follows up with a bomb.

          • Dutch

            I think that’s over board, but I can see him becoming comfortable with opportunities and playing better than some of you expect from the kid. He was miles better this week than his showing last week, and with practice and reps with the first team I think he will be even better as the season matures.

          • Token

            Are you adjusting your win/loss prediction yet?

            Cross country trip to the Raiders? It would be surprising if they won.

        • cliff henny

          vick cant stay heathy, i’m ready to close book on him. foles deserved chance(personally never thought he was much more than good backup), blew it against dallas. give barkley a chance. sure it’ll be qb shuffle for next 8 weeks.
          .
          least defense is coming around. remind myself, it’s all about ’15, though like to win some games and not look like a bad high school team in meantime

          • Dutch

            I don’t see it that way, based on his play today I think if he steps in next week and shows himself to be prepared Chip Kelly is going to ride the season out with this kid. He looked good in the pocket despite all that was stacked against him. I don’t think Foles is going to get a chance to take starting away from Barkley given a chance to work in with the first team receivers and get sufficient help from the run game.

  • d.j

    Unicorns! show ponies! wheres the innovation! – actually Kotite like..

  • max

    I’m British and also a soccer fan, and the Eagles offense has scored the same number of points the last two weeks as my soccer team :(

  • MrEagleNC

    Looked like L. Mccoy and D. Jackson were doing their best to try and throw the game. Both of them’s effort today looked just pitiful to me, like they didn’t care if they made any yardage or not after they got the ball in their hands.

    • Token

      We can debate the talent of DeSean Jackson all day. And for awhile it looked like he may have turned the corner.

      But I think its best to go forward without guys like that on the team. Just cancerous.

      When things are high flying and coming easy hes fine. But when things come tough DeSean bitches and quits.

      You wouldnt have even known he played in the last two games, but he still manages to cry and whine. How bout you just show up and make a difference bud. His play was disgusting today. The play of a loser.

  • Reef215

    The reason Chip called a passed play 1st and goal from the 2 was because the Giants were STUFFING the Running game up until that point. He had 7 yards on 6 carries! 7!

    Did you see ANY HOLES open the entire 1st half? How many times did we see defenders in the back field stuffing the run for a negative gain?

    I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t think the Offensive line isnt performing very well. Read Option or not, Running football is Man Up Ball. Hat on Hat. You defend YOUR guy and MOVE him somewhere….PERIOD. Create a DAMN HOLE and let your RB get 4-5 yds per carry.