What They’re Saying About the Eagles

Mike Vick running with football on sidelineA roundup of national media links on Sunday’s Eagles-Giants game.

ESPN.com’s John Clayton notes the Birds’ home losing streak:

The Philadelphia Eagles have some of the most rabid fans in sports, and they’ve witnessed nine consecutive home losses. They might not forgive first-year coach Chip Kelly if he loses to the New York Giants on Sunday. The Giants have an eight-game road losing streak and are 1-6 for the season. Michael Vick returns to the Eagles’ starting lineup after missing two games with a hamstring injury. His return should allow LeSean McCoy to explode. McCoy is at the top of the league’s rushing list, in part because of Vick’s ability to run.


Peter Schrager of FoxSports.com predicts a 24-17 Giants win:

This is a struggling team that has statistically one of the worst offensive and defensive units in the sport. But I like them over the Eagles on Sunday. Anyone can beat the Eagles in Philadelphia, apparently. It’s like a Six Flags amusement park—everyone’s welcome to come right in, skip lines, and do whatever the heck they want.

Dan Graziano of ESPN.com predicts a 34-28 Eagles win:

The Giants are feeling good coming off their first win, but it was the gift to end all gifts. The Eagles aren’t a great team by any means, but they’ll do what the Vikings didn’t do Monday — give the ball to their best players and try to win the game. The Giants don’t have enough on defense to limit LeSean McCoy, DeSean Jackson and the Eagles’ speedy stars.

Andy Benoit of TheMMQB.com chimes in on how the two teams match up:

The Giants have more healthy pieces at their disposal in the secondary, which means corner Turk McBride won’t be there for Vick to attack on the outside. (You might recall DeSean Jackson getting by McBride in Cover 3 for 56 yards.) Vick’s mobility will dictate how this game goes. If he can move, the Eagles will use the read-option concepts that worked masterfully last time. And in the passing game, the Giants might be reluctant play man coverage (which Eagles wideouts have struggled against all season). Defensive coordinator Perry Fewell remembers the third-and-20 where Vick scrambled for 34 yards against their man-free lurk.

Chris Burke of SI.com is seeing improvement from Jason Pierre-Paul:

One very positive sign for the Giants last week: Jason Pierre-Paul appeared to be inching closer to 100 percent. He had been struggling since offseason back surgery, then missed several practices leading up to that game against Minnesota with an illness.

The Giants are the first team to face the Eagles twice this season, meaning their defense will be the first to see Kelly’s unique offense multiple times. Will that help the Giants slam the door or will Kelly be ready with adjustments?

Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com likes the Eagles, 31-27:

The Giants are coming off their first victory Monday night, but now must face a rival on a short week. That’s tough to do. The Eagles will have Mike Vick back as the starter, which will put a lot of pressure on a Giants defense that isn’t very good. Look for the Eagles to get their offense back on track here. But the Giants will get their points as well.

Will Brinson of CBSSports.com likes the Eagles to cover the 5.5-point spread:

This line is fascinating to me. It’s predicated on the Eagles looking terrible with Nick Foles last week and the Giants winning. But Philly with Michael Vick — even a not-totally-healthy Vick — is more than a touchdown better than the Giants. Eli Manning and Co. looked awful against the Vikings on Monday night, have a short week, were hammered by this same division opponent the last time out and didn’t stop anyone last week. Josh Freeman stopped himself.

Elliot Harrison of NFL.com goes with the Eagles, 24-16:

Philadelphia surprised everybody by playing a little defense against the Cowboys last Sunday. Too bad the offense scored three points. Now, Michael Vick likely will be running the show this week, which is important. Last week, the tandem of Nick Foles and Matt Barkley performed as well together as Axl Rose’s jorts and age. Surprisingly, LeSean McCoy didn’t have his best game, either. While the Giants can contain McCoy, they’ll have trouble with the aerial attack; Vick brings escapability, as well. With this game being at the Linc — and with the way Eli Manning has been playing — we’ll take Philly at home.

Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk picks the Eagles, 27-17:

The Eagles haven’t been much more this year than the best of some bad teams.  They’ll get another chance to do it on Sunday, and in the process snap a nine-game home losing streak.

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  • Will

    If Vick lasts 4 quarters we get the Win. If not gonna be a very ugly loss at home again. Hamstrings take more than 3 weeks to heal, Vick is risking re-injury.

    • GEAGLE

      Yup…weird and scary game…Luckily the defense will carry us lol…who woulda thought that?

      • Will

        DVOA Eagles Offense 8th, Defense 29th….even the DVOA says we need an upgrade for guess who Nate Allen…LMAO…

    • GoBirds1

      Ok dr. Will. Like you have any idea the severity of the injury. Have you seen his MRIs. Even if you did. Would it matter. I can’t imagine where you got your M.D. Not too mention how well or quickly fast twitch muscle heals. Actually, most hammy pulls take months to fully heal, he will probably not have his burst or top end, but that does not necessarily mean he is at risk to further or re-injure his current condition. GoBirds! It’s our little SB, smoke the Gints.

      • Will

        Okay remember this when he grabs the back of his leg….Hope your a Big fan of Barkley….

      • Will

        Dr. Will called it…..

  • Slb

    I hope to see a lot of pouting from Eli.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Here’s to the Manning Faces!

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    This game fully depends on Vick’s hammy. If it’s good, we’re good. If not. It’s gonna be a LONG day and possibly a long rest of the year. I expect the Giants to test it early and often. Here’s hoping the oline plays “lights out”

    • Always Hopeful

      The right side of our line can’t consistently pass block…yet (am I wrong for still hoping and waiting?) Herremans is struggling too much in pas pro and Johnson shows that he is a raw rookie.

      If Vick can’t hold up, yup…we’re in trouble.

      Here’s to Kelly’s “soft tissue injury” treatments :-)

      • Richard Colton

        Lane Johnson has been consistently getting better in pass protection. Herremans has been up & down, but I think we all recognize that he’s getting close to the end. Either that, or now that he knows where that 250K went, he’ll play better.

        • Always Hopeful

          Ha, ha, ha yeah, knowing where your money is I hope helps him, but the end is nearer than the beginning for Herre-Dawg.

          Herremans struggles have hindered Johnson’s development and i just don’t trust that side of the line for pass pro, despite Johnson’s improvements.

  • GEAGLE

    Weird to see all the most recent mock drafts have us winning the division picking in the 19-23 range. nationally I figured right now, everyone would be expecting Dallas or the skins to win it, but the recent mocks have us picking last in the division which was surprising….these next two weeks will tell a lot…if we are going to win the division we have to beat the giants and the raiders. This Giants matchup is less then ideal with Vick hurt and Saint Nick injured…but a division winner should be able to beat a bad giants who played on Monday night, at home!

    • atlvickfan

      If you look at the schedule, it is not hard to envision a scenario where Philly and Dallas play for the division on the last day of the season.

      • Richard Colton

        two 8-7 teams playing for the 4th seed in the NFC. Could very well happen. Says a lot about how bad this division is.

        • anon

          Isn’t that how the division has ended the last 3-4 years. It’s a little sad. But honestly, if we can keep the team healthy, with the improvement week to week i think we’ll be a lot better then than we are now.

        • Dutch

          The division was horrible the year the giants finished 9-7 and super bowl champs over new england. sometimes all that matters is getting in the playoffs, ask Trent Dilfer

          • Richard Colton

            anything can happen when you have a franchise QB and a quality defense, neither of which we have. Don’t get me wrong, I want to make the playoffs, but given what we’ve seen this year, the “any given Sunday” line seems thin.

  • Will

    At this point after seeing how bad are QB situation can be. I’m for tanking the season 3-13 should do and going for a high draft pick to nap a franchise QB like Mariota. Even at 8-8 what’s the point just hurts us in the next draft.

    • Token

      Its really the best thing for the future of the franchise. I realize nobody wants to hear that.

      I get no joy out of going 7-9 or 8-8. Its just more running in place.

      • anon

        Yeah — i don’t know if i can watch losing football for the rest of the season. Can you imagine us being like TB, or JAX or Vikings? Especially given that everyone in this franchise is looking for something to cheer for.

        • Token

          Yea it sucks for this year, but do you wanna keep losing every year?

          How long can this franchise run in place?

          If they dont get a QB they will be trapped in NFL mediocrity for a long time.

          • Will

            Marcus Mariota is 6’4″ 215lbs. with 4.48 40 speed and an accurate rocket of an arm. Not to mention he knows Chip’s Offense. Plus he turns 20 on the 30th of October….

          • Token

            I hear you. They need a legitimate QB this year. If it doesnt happen, the Chip era last another year or two and then fizzles out.

          • Will

            If and when Vick is gone we have no one else really even if Nick Foles improves he is no Marcus Mariota. Eagles would have to jump up in the draft to at least 3rd overall….maybe higher to #1 to grab him. Clowney and Johnny football other 2 who might go…1 &2….maybe Bridgewater in the mix…Jags need a QB too…

          • Richard Colton

            ohh it’s that easy? then I should relax. At the pace we’re on, we need to stop talking Bridgewater or Mariota completely. We won’t be within draft range or trade range, unless one of them blows out a knee or gets caught partying with Michael Irvin.

          • Will

            Na not easy, but can be done Redskins sold out for RGKnee comes down to how bad you want him. Eagles projected 12th or 13th pick….Mariota will be long gone others Bridgewater, Johnny Football, Boyd any could be an option.

          • Richard Colton

            Watching Bridgewater right now. I think you can just about pencil him in for Tampa Bay or Jax at #1. I haven’t seen anything from Taj Boyd that I like. Johnny Football is intriguing.

          • Will

            Watch any Mariota video…he is impressive…utube has a nice long highlight video

          • Token

            Well yes Bridgewater was never a option. Hes going #1. Boyd stinks.

            I think Manzeil goes late first or not until the 2nd. Of course, Tebow went in the 1st so crazy things are possible. I dont think the kid survives more than a year or two in the league.

          • Dutch

            Bridgewater isn’t playing against top tier competition in that conference. There’s no question he’s much better than all the competition he faces week in and week out. However the same could be said for Big Ben when he was at Ohio, although he had a little better competition.

          • Token

            Kind of a weak excuse.

            Did your hero Geno Smith play top notch competition?

            You have to just watch a player and see if you think he has talent and that it translates to the next level.

            Watch Bridgewaters bowl game last year. That was top notch competition.

          • Will

            Marty’s guy Geno is terrible….lol….

          • Dutch

            He’s a rookie with 2 bad games, and 3 come from behind victories in the closing seconds….. That’s not terrible. Then you have to consider he has no running game behind him, and nothing outside to throw at. Geno is pretty much carrying the Jets to their 4-3 record on his right arm.

          • Will

            Geno has a very good Defense which helps….DOVA ranks team Defense as 4th overall….So I beg to differ Geno is carrying the team on his back…

          • Dutch

            Geno played in the Big 12, are you aware of the college conferences, the Big 12 is the third rated power conference in College Football.

            Bridgewater isn’t going to a top Bowl just because of the weakness of their conference. I like Bridgewater, I don’t like the defenders he’s constantly shredding week in and week out. The level of competition you face matters.

          • Token

            Geno played one or two tough teams his last year.

          • Dutch

            That may be true in your eyes, but the Big 12 is still rated right below the SEC, and Big 10 that year as it has been every other year.

          • cliff henny

            yes! #7 was convert 1, think you are closing in on convert 2.

          • Richard Colton

            I’m starting to come around. The offseason stuff scared me. Hopefully its going to scare about 12 other GMs.

          • cliff henny

            seriously, what did he do? made a couple bucks…so did fletcher cox, that bother you? he won heisman and got court side seats, that’s not an issues, that’s espn manufacturing bs. and 20 yr old going to frat party…hold the freaking door. you see him play today? 90% from pocket, surgical. had one throw, easily 60 yds, rolled left, spin threw it to right side of goal post, barely set feet, wasnt vick arch-heck who is-but way better than a foles high arching wobbly punt. and playing with a knee and a shoulder. his footwork is less than desirable. at 12, not hyjacking 7-1 trade, since howie seems to be better last 2 yrs, i’m just not sure.

          • Dutch

            there are between 9 and 11 teams looking for a difference making QB, and there are potentially 5 QB who may have the ability to come into the NFL and make the adjustments immediately, Cleveland is pretty much a lock with the stocked draft picks for 14 they have put together. That leave no less than 4 desperate coaches and GMs to scrutinize the remaining 4 prospects.

            One thing that looks well for the Eagles is Manziel is a dual threat QB, putting him in a pocket exclusively is a gamble and maybe a waste of his talent. Same can be said for Mariota and tattering him to a pro set offense.

            Kelly in my opinion missed his chance in by passing on Geno Smith for Zach Ertz this year, but he may be forced to built out his defense before finding the QBs he needs. The Eagles aren’t good but they have a long way to go to be Giants and Jaguars bad. They may not be able to snag a starting QB but there is more than enough talent in this draft to help a team weak on talent.

          • Will

            Granted Eagles Defense needs a Major overall, the O-Line has three 31 year old linemen who turn 32, but you need a QB to build around Vick is 33 …..we are headed to Gnats, Jags bad sooner than you think…

          • Dutch

            I don’t disagree, but there are only so many QBs becoming available. At this point in the season, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay and a surprise entry New York Giants is in the best position to select 3 of the 5 potential difference makers. The Eagles right now are pretty far down the ladder in draft position.

          • Will

            Granted they would have to bundle away picks to climb that ladder…

          • Token

            I dont think the team is as good as you do in that case. I look at the schedule and dont see a guaranteed win.

            I expect them to finish 5-11 or 6-10. That puts us in the top 10 probably. They will be in range to move.

            Judging by how some people are talking about tomorrows game, I think people are gonna be disappointed. I wont be shocked if they lose to the Giants.

          • Will

            At this point would be a blessing in Disguise we need a top flight QB of the Future….Marcus Mariota is that guy just finished watching him on video again….gonna go high in the draft.

          • Richard Colton

            I think that’s where we see it differently Token. With their defense taking baby steps forward, and their offense flashing this degree of potency under Vick, I just don’t see how they go 2-7 or 3-6 the rest of the way.

            But let’s say for sake of argument you’re right. 6-10 got the Jets the 13th pick in the draft last year. If you want Bridgewater or Mariota – it’s looking like you’ll need to get up to 1 or 2. Don’t see how you get there from 13.

            Help me with this. I want to order my Mariota jersey.

          • Will

            3-13 will get you there, Vick rips that hammy again and we could be on are way…six teams with with less than 3 wins now…if you end up 6th or 7th overall might be able to put together a trade….

          • Token

            I keep seeing that a lot. The thought that because Vick is back, they will go back to winning. As if they werent 1-3 with him. This week has been confusing. I dont feel by reading the coverage and fan comments you would know this is a 3-4 team.

          • Will

            The Eagles minus Vick and Foles is a nightmare…you know it and I know it. I think the Defense had one good game not the Norm…DVOA is 29th for good reasons…

          • Token

            But how is it any more or less of a nightmare is my point. Both those guys stink.

          • Richard Colton

            The nightmare, IMO, is multiple seasons 7-9,8-8,9-7 with no direction.

          • Token

            Well yea we absolutely agree there. Which is exactly where they are going to be without a QB. Running in place.

          • Will

            So granted to get out of the mess starts with a QB, then address the Defense. I for one am hoping the Eagles keep losing for the high draft pick to work with, 5-11, 6-10,7-9, 8-8, all works against us. Vick getting hurt would be a blessing in Disguise if Foles continues to play bad. Unfortunately with all the piss poor drafts over the years we have a terrible football team.

          • UKEagle99

            The only problem with that is you are asuming they hit on the high pick next year.

          • UKEagle99

            Yet subliminaly you quote increasingly winning seasons, that’s direction.

          • Richard Colton

            depends on context UK. there’s 7-9 with a young core and a franchise QB, then there’s 7-9 without it. I’ll take 6-10 with direction over 9-7 through smoke-and-mirrors

          • Will

            Barkley…at QB

          • Dutch

            The quality of the teams left on the schedule are no where near the quality of the teams to open the Eagles Season. The heavy lifting is done for the Eagles.

          • Token

            Eh, I dont think thats the case. The Eagles worst nightmare is a team that can score. Theres plenty of those left. Even more than a good defensive team.

            Because I dont believe the Eagles are built to win shootouts right now. They dont have the horses to do that with any consistency.

          • Dutch

            I fail to see any nightmare scenarios left on their schedule. Green Bay maybe but they are traumatized by their recent rash of injuries including their best defender and receiver. Winning 6 more games is doable for the Eagles against Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay and Dallas.

          • Will

            Disagree last 4 games will be stiffer competition…

          • Dutch

            The remaining games are against the NFC North, Green Bay, Detroit and Chicago and a division game against Dallas, All of those teams are one game better than the Eagles now. Green Bay is 4-2, with their best defender out 4 to 6 games.

            Even for the Eagles those games are better than winnable, but no powerhouses. They are no where near as challenging as the games and teams the Eagles opened the season against.

          • cliff henny

            chicago maybe packing it in, cutler wont rush back with it being contract yr. never know with detroit. gb and rodgers will steamroll eagles. think dallas is just better than eagles, for time being-that’ll change quickly. need next 2 games if we want any end of the season meaningfull games.

          • Token

            I dont believe the D is stepping forward. I kind of think thats a big fluffy myth right now. We will see going forward obviously, but this is my belief right now. They still arent getting any pressure while blitzing quite a bit. Bad sign.

            They faced a awful Tampa D, and if you remember had Glennon looking like Dan Marino. Then last week Romo was missing throws. Flat out. I didnt see anything that showed me it was us stopping them. Later in the game he started throwing better, and they moved the ball. Then shut it down knowing the game was in hand.

            Offensively. Im not gonna go that far yet. We kind of struggled in the Giants game before Vick went out. It forced Kelly to run Vick way more then he had up to that game. Then he got hurt. They were taking it to Kelce.

            Its kind of a weird spot right now. There has been soo many fluff pieces written this week, after a lose. A bad lose. Dont get it really. But I realize we all see things differently.

            The schedule gets harder. I dont think a game like @ Oakland is easy. Skins wont lose to us again most likely.

            I think expectations got much higher as this season has progressed for no real good reason IMO. Guess thats natural. Probably has to do with how bad the division has been early.

          • Richard Colton

            I don’t see how the D can’t get better…if only because they couldn’t play worse. You know I’ve been a Davis hater and have had some serious ??? about this D. But I liked what we’ve gotten from Wolff, Curry, Cox, Boykin and Fletcher last few weeks. In no way are they even a top 15 unit, but I think they’ve crawled out of the bottom 5.

          • Dutch

            they can play worse, the games they looked to come together on were teams that are suspect. Dallas did what they did against Denver, Denver was minus two of their better defenders. three if you count Dumervill. The Eagles just don’t have the speed on the back end to compete against sufficiently talented offenses. The 2 gap scheme plays against their defensive line talent. It made no sense not to get pressure on Manning, Romo or Rivers who sliced and diced that back end defense.

          • Will

            yup….with the Free Safety we have TD’s are free all game…

          • GEAGLE

            Foolish

          • cliff henny

            order the manziel jersey, better bet right now.

          • cliff henny

            was looking at mock drafts last night. 1-2 are consensus bridge/clowney. major percentage have mariata 3-5 range, hundley 3-7 range. manziel is in the 10-15 range. obviously plenty will change, there’s some serious non qb talent coming out

          • GEAGLE

            Starting to see Marriotta mocked number 1….I even saw a mock where Marriotta went one! and Bridgewater fell to the rams at 6…everyone is convinced the LSU QB will go to the browns,.
            ….
            I do not want Taj Boyd, and my fear is he falls to us at the 16 range, hopefully we pass on him

          • cliff henny

            boyd is garbage…so is tha harris kid from miami.

          • Dutch

            So, with that in mind, should Chip offer DJax,Shady McCoy and Jason Peters to move up in the Draft this year to select a legitimate QB?

            The Eagles are going to need a awful season, or a blockbuster trade like Cleveland pulled off for Richardson to gain position in the Draft.

            The best tradeable assets are Peters, DJax and McCoy. Maclin is unrestricted free agent at the end of the year so there is no trade value there.

            They have to be considered for a earth shattering move up the draft order.

          • Justin

            Just how late in the first round do you think they’re going to be picking?

          • Dutch

            5th to 12th provide they can not win 5 to 6 more games.

          • cliff henny

            you see manziel today? no idea where people are getting arm is some noodle. i get more and more sold on him every game…and i didnt think much of himcoming into the yr. from when he’s sees it till it’s out of his hand is lightning quick, and with nice anticipation

          • Dutch

            Manziel is awesome every Saturday, he started the game 12 for 12, 113 yds and two TDs and one rushing. It will not surprise me if he or Evans wins the Heisman this year, again. He answered the question today as to whether he could play strictly from the pocket. He can.

          • cliff henny

            with sprained knee and shoulder. he played today the way we need vick to play tomorrow. he may have a bit of an ego-i have zero problem with it-but the is not a prima-donna. he is a gamer

          • Token

            You guys struggle to separate college performance from NFL potential. Tim Tebow was amazing in college too. So was Ty Detmer. Manzeil doesnt have NFL size or skill set. What he does best, doesnt work in the NFL.

            On his best day hes early Michael Vick, and I think thats kind of insulting to Michael Vick. But he doesnt have great top end speed and rocket arm like Vick did either. And hes even smaller.

          • GEAGLE

            Boyd is struggling for the third game in a row..

            Marriotta vs. Hundley, Anthony Barr vs DAT,, can’t wait. Huge game

          • GEAGLE

            Manziel will play for the Texans

          • Token

            If anyone would take Peters they should absolutely trade him. No question. Unfortunately he doesnt have the value you think he does. He will be let go next year.

          • Dutch

            Then that’s even worse than estimated for any potential chance to trade up in the draft.

          • Token

            You trade picks to move up. You rarely ever see player trades.

          • GEAGLE

            Mariotta better stay away from Anthony Barr tonight before he gets his season ended the way Barr did to barkley

          • Dutch

            That’s not a strategy that has provided dividends for teams like Cleveland, Buffalo or Oakland, teams that are at the top of the draft order every year.

            The Eagles have proven time and time again it’s not where you draft it’s who you draft.

          • Token

            When is the last time those teams took a QB really high? Unless im forgetting someone I cant think of one recently. Except this year obviously in EJ Manuel.

            The strategy of not caring about QB is a bad one. Would your strategy be to hope to get lucky on a 3rd or 4th round QB? We have already failed at that a number of times.

          • Dutch

            I can’t accept in a competitive game like Football the strategy to convince players to tank the season is one that can gain any traction, I don’t think that’s a philosophy that will carry over well throughout a team.

          • Richard Colton

            Nor should they. Everybody’s playing for a job. But it’s football – eveyone is hurt to some degree at the end of the year. We’re out of the race then that nagging shoulder moves a guy from “probable” to “out.” We see Barkley for the last three games; it’s not tanking…but…

          • Token

            Obviously im not saying Kelly is gonna have them tank.

            They are bad enough to not have to try and tank IMO.

            Im saying losing is the best case scenario for this team.

            Remember all the meaningless wins we had before the Luck/RG3 draft? People thought that was “building a winning attitude”. That was awful.

          • Dutch

            I will never understand loosing as a best case scenario, not in the game of football. I think in this game you change your fortune by drafting well. There is no getting around that.

          • Token

            You build a team by drafting well.

            You change your fortunes by getting a good QB.

            Proven time and time again. The one thing that will never change about this game.

            I dont like mediocrity. Ive seen enough of it. Unfortunately, most Eagle fans have just started to bask in it and be content with it.

          • Dutch

            I’ve seen it all as an Eagles fan, I’ve been with them since the late 60s. Disappointment was a way of life living in Philly cheering for the Eagles over the last 50 years. NFL QBs just don’t grow on trees.

          • Will

            42 seasons I been rooting for the Eagles, the right QB makes all the difference.

    • Dutch

      If the players were to fall in line with that strategy no QB in this draft would be of any help to produce a winner in Phila.

      • Token

        A pretty good amount of this roster wont still be here next year IMO. Kelly thought coaching could fix a bunch of these bums, it couldnt.

        Next year is the cleaning out of the trash that should of happened when he first got here.

        • Dutch

          I could agree this is an extended evaluation period, it’s still Kelly’s first year and he’s playing with holdovers from the previous regime.

          Still you can not get excited about any possibilities considering the signees from this year’s Free Agency moves.

      • Will

        To be honest I think the Eagles are that bad tanking not required…..Gnats are 1-6 and I wonder if this game is winnable without a healthy Vick.

        • Dutch

          I think this is a perfect game to win without Vick, I’d honestly forgotten he’s sat out 1/1.2 games already. But I wouldn’t chance the season bringing him back now. It is difficult to push for the division if the Eagles loose, but it’s impossible to push for the division if the Eagles loose Vick for an extended period this season.

          the disconnect in this dialogue is that not everyone with an opinion believe there is any possibility for the Eagles to win the division this season.

          • Will

            Yup the one game is not worth losing Vick for 4-6 weeks. Hey if Vick goes down Foles play will determine the draft pick we get. Three weeks not long enough for a hammy to heal and it’s gonna be cold at 50 degrees . I will be surprised Vick lasts the whole game. Would be nice to see Barkley against a 1-6 team,

          • Dutch

            Maybe, Maybe not, he has yet to pass the protocol for concussions and there’s nothing saying he will soon. Concussions can take time for some players. Then we never know whether he can take another hit if he does return soon.

            However, in live game action I fail to recognize the difference between Foles under center and Barkley and Barkley was thrown into a much tougher spot last week than Foles had ever been considering Barkley has no reps with the first team arsenal of weapons.

          • Will

            Yeah I was assuming Foles will be back next week, better yet Barkley will get toasted by NFL DB”s….

    • Justin

      That’s what I’ve been saying. Everybody is so hyped up at making the playoffs THIS year that they’re aren’t looking at the long term need for a real QB.

  • GEAGLE

    ANTHONY BARR is amazing!!! We have to find a way to draft him. Barwin would be the perfect “Robin” opposite Barr’s “batman”…I would even consider drafting Barr over Clowney. the kid is just an explosive playmaker…..screw a QB, we need to find a way to come away from round 1 with Barr

    • cliff henny

      4th game i’ve seen of hundley, havent been impressed yet. looked lot better last yr. mariota isnt doing much either, but couple nice throws. huff can play.
      .
      really not sure what natural disaster has to strike for kelly to go defense in first rd, but pretty sure i dont want to be around for it

      • GEAGLE

        Lol…,fell asleep after the first quarter lol…did Hundley look bad again?

        Cliff…I heard the Texans LOVE your boy Manziel

        • cliff henny

          yeah, he did. Mariota didnt jump off screne either. do give him some credit for running game, he is working the options and his running ability opens alot of that up. i do like a running threat qb, want a developed passer first. hundley is a project, like kaep, he’ll need to sit for a yr or 2, no way he’s day 1 starter.
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          i can see him in texans offense very easily. good fit for sure. way hundley and Manziel are playing, JM might play himself well into top10 and TH could be the guy falling. once they get to combine though, TH will skyrocket, just a supreme athlete.
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          i actually dont love JM, hated him going into yr. he’s very much grown on me, and basically doing a cost analysis on drop off from MM to JM vs draft picks, i’ll go with JM. plus, adding in kelly influence, making both vick and foles look better than ever before (no idea what happened vs cowboys, something had to be wrong with foles, he just isnt that bad). see people saying he small or doesnt have speed, weak arm, too streetball (i said same thing, based off last yr-100% correct, not this yr, guy makes a ton of plays from pocket-what, you rather he take sacks than use athletic ability, and his accuraccy on the run is incredible). then the comparison to tebow…which is so off-base…like comparing kelly to spurrier.

          • Token

            Hundley should stay in school. Maybe he will be ok someday. But hes cant take pressure at all. I dont want any part of that when projecting to the next level.

            Mariota didnt have to do really much at all last night. I wanted to see more. Will be watching the Stanford game.

            This draft has basically become Bridgewater and Mariota. Manzeil #3 probably. They are gonna have to trade up.

          • cliff henny

            still think JM will be 4th, hundley will be combine warrior. mora as been on him since end of last season to come back. eagles will be picking mid to early teens, agree, i doubt any of the 4 will drop that far, just rather package to say 9-10 than 2-3…going from 13-3 let’s day is basically top half of 2 drafts. miami’s harris is 5th, boyd 6th, watched them, no thank you! that’s enough football for me, cant watch anymore-college at least.
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            MM games are the last i chase down. figure there is very little he can do this yr that’ll sour or surprise kelly. if that’s his guy, then go get him. wouldnt package for bridgewater, cost would just get out of hand, unless he drops to 4 or5-doubtful to happen, hundley play is costing him serious money. he’ll but his workout numbers will get some of that back. he makes me nervous. i’m down to 2 guys. pay thru nose for mariota or save picks and get JM

          • GEAGLE

            Rather have defense or WRs…if we trade away the farm now for a QB, we will become the redskins….stack this roster first, and when you have a roster in place, that’s when you trade away the farm for a QB

          • Token

            It would take years to stack this roster. A good QB can equal more wins by himself. The offense has enough invested in it that it should be able to win games right away with a QB.

            Geno Smith certainly hasnt been great. But hes basically accounted for a number of their wins on a team that doesnt have a ton of talent.

          • GEAGLE

            Hit on this draft, hit on this FA, hit on the 2015 FA, and you will be in position to trade away the farm in 2015….a rookie won’t do anything on this team….investing in a rookie QB is the biggest decision a franchise can make…i don’t want to make that investment until we have a roster in place that the kid can succeed with! especially in a city that will tear him down if he doesn’t prove to be a franchise guy in his is first 4 starts lol…
            ..
            Wilson n Kaps career could look much much different had they been drafted by bad teams. Don’t draft a QB til he you have good situation to offer him…

            Would you trade your first pick for Vincent Jackson? Don’t add a QB til he has a work horse WR to throw to

          • Token

            No way. Wouldnt even give a 1st for Fitz. Wouldnt it be easier to just draft Mike Evans?

            LF and VJ are 31 next year. Both on the decline.

          • GEAGLE

            VJ is THAT old? Geez, I thought he was like 27….hell NO to 31yr olds….but if I’m a Super Bowl contender I would make that trade in a heartbeat

          • Token

            Mariota is gonna shine in the shorts olympics too. If scouts dont love him by then, im betting they will after.

            I do think it will come down to MM and JM being the only realistic options. But I think Kelly would go get MM. But for that to happen you need a trade partner. There looks to be a good number of teams picking in the top 10 that you could say wont take a QB.

            I think when JM weighs in a 5’10 180lbs thats gonna kill his stock.

          • cliff henny

            yeah, MM is a tremendous athlete. think he’s the solid 2nd qb behind bridgewater-it’s not like TB wont have the measurables too. meantt hundley will be yoyo’g after season, then have scouts looking for plays on tape to justify his workouts. see that every yr.
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            i dont think he’s that small, been leaked all over the place by now. he’s listed 5-11 to 6′ about 205 in all pro scouting guides. he’s bigger than you think. also runs under 4.5 40. and has good arm. i dont think he’s cant miss, just been at this 35 yrs as eagle fan since 7yrs old…i can sense this sh!t. kelly’s let the big hands thin side too…jm has huge meathooks, little freaky actually.

          • Token

            Ive seen him at 6’1 200lbs on ESPN. Id be shocked if hes that. I dont think hes frame can handle anymore weight is the thing. Hes very slender. Narrow shoulders. Id like to see Vick stand next to him, I think Vick would look huge.

            I dont like him, I think ive made that clear. But I dont think id be mad if they took him. Kelly would basically like him enough to stake his NFL career on him. But I dont think that will happen. Basically, I dont think it would work but id probably be interested to watch it play out.

          • cliff henny

            largest i’ve seen him is 6-1 210, aint no way he’s that. but he does throw over top, that helps. guy like boyd throw 3/4’s, makes himself 5-8 in pocket.
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            guy is only 20. please, everyone can gain 10 lbs of muscle at 21-23, easily.
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            draft day comes, i’ll want package pick to #3 get MM, than if that doesnt happen, let chips fall, and around 10 if he’s still there, i’ll want to make the move. vick another yr-i can do vick,i cant do vick fanboys.. foles? barkley? just cant see how kelly gets another yr without his qb. i was happy to give him this yr.

          • Token

            If JM came packaged with Mike Evans maybe itd be interesting.

          • cliff henny

            evans will get picked b4 jm. robinson out of psu, or mathews out of vandy look good. see the wake forest slot recr..think it was campelleno…guy looks like steve smith-carlina version.

          • GEAGLE

            Starting to see MM mocked the the jaguars #1

          • cliff henny

            my issue with MM and teddy. if moving up, have to determine which of these guys is the one, and get to where it’s no doubt you can get him. i just dont see a huge difference between them, and eagles need help in so many places, hyjacking 2 drafts to get either while a JM would cost little. and if he fails, so what, get another…1st rounders can fail with rookie cap, it’s not end of the world

          • GEAGLE

            I just want to punch him in the mouth, but I have to admit! it would be very intruiging seeing him play in a Chip Kelly offense….I think I hate him so much because he reminds of Romo in a Drew Brees body…
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            I used to think he was destined to go to Cleveland, but with the LSU QB getting his ish together, I think he will apeal to Norv Turner and His pro style offense…

            I’m in love with barr( and he is so damn good I would consider him over Dion if they were both on the board)..I also view Khalil Mack as the next WARE….we desperately need a pass rush, and this draft is filled with SPECIAL OLBs that it’s hard to get excited over QBs for me…..a lot of people seem to envision Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans in an Eagles jersey…if Chip views Barkley as his future, we could see a reunion ion with Marquis lee

          • cliff henny

            forget the guy is 20. who of us would of handled his type of fame well at that age? boyd is 23, and south carolina’s college football nutjobs are swallowing him up. 10 yrs ago i would have screamed from top of my lunges not to draft jm, nfl has just changed so much. rules are being made yearly for guys like JM to succeed.
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            be nice if barkley could get 2-4 games at end of the season. just wonder if he’s enough of a running threat. i wouldnt mind his size or arm strength (better than it was, but still needs more) if he had wheels. not saying kelly need running qb, but if he cant, than get a big strong arm guy. not sure rebuilding qb position with shorter, smaller, slower, mid level arm at best is smartest way to go.
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            not against going outside qb infirst, does make sense. but till a current qb shows he’s 5 or 6 yr nfl talent, guess i’ll be leaning qb w/ 1st pick

          • GEAGLE

            I can’t ever be against us drafting a QB that we believe in,,,but I am against trading away valuable assets at this stage in our development and I’m against settling for a QB. if there are 5 first round QBs, I don’t want us to just draft the one that is still on the board when we pick…when talking about QBs, BPA goes out the window. I don’t want to draft a QB because he is the best player available…a QB needs to be a special fit for the coach and franchise….if there is a QB we would have considered trading up for on the board when we pick, then we have to draft him….but I’m not ok with drafting a QB just because we think we need a QB…..I like the BPA strategy at every other position, but NOT QB…

          • cliff henny

            why i sort of like JM, i think he’s consensus 4th qb. little easier to package picks and get him. MM saw on tv someone had him 2nd pick. be so much shuffling and buyers for teddy and MM, might have to get to #1-F that’ll be whole draft! hope hundley goes 3rd qb, maybe someone is an idiot and takes boyd or harris (not impressed with either)..metzenberger is picket guy, he could sneak in there, and pushes JM into 10-12 range, that’ll only cost a 3rd.

    • Token

      I want nothing to do with Clowney.

      Kid doesnt have drive.

      To be elite at anything in life you need drive to be great. He aint got it.

      I think he is one of the most over rated prospects in recent memory.

      Barr tho, he did look damn good last night. Thats the first ive seen of him.

      • GEAGLE

        Lol Barr is the kid that ruined Barkleys college career lol…
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        He is an absolute BEAST of a pass rusher, and the closest thing I have seen to that Dion versatility to guard slot WR…the kid is friggin special. problem is there are other big time stud OLBs like Khalil Mack who I view as a young Demarcus ware..V IC Beasly is special but needs to add weight. The 6’6 OLB , Hubbard from bama it could see in an eagles jersey…van Noy is a Stud……I need one of these OLB

        There are also some stud Dlinemen available who would make our Dline into a dominant Force!!!
        1) Louis Nix III would be a nasty anchore for this unit..6’5 340 with pass rush ability..
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        2) Rashede Hagemen..converted TE, 6’6 athletic physical specimen at 311lbs…this kid can be the next Caleus Cambell
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        3) Will Sutton is a 285lb ball of FIRE on the Dline…

        Then there are stud OLBs like Shayzler
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        I know Chip is probably Gung-ho about Offense, but this defense is only two STUDS away…this first round of the draft can land us a defensive stud..

        You guys know how Dion Jordan crazy I am….well I hate to say it! but Barr is probably BETTER!!!!!

        • Richard Colton

          wow. infinity times infinity moment. What if we had Barr and Jordan?

          Say we do wind up with Nix? What role does 3rd round Bennie Logan play? DE? I like Nix, but not on our defense.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol scary thought,,,

            Nix is special, I would stick him right in the middle of Thorton and Cox…and have Bennie and the jet(curry) continue coming off the bench…all DLines rotate, who starts isn’t as important at that position….I’m also in Love with Rashede Hagemen, the next Calleus Cambell

            Not on our defense? You wouldn’t like Dontari Poe in the middle of Cox and Cedrick? Nix 6’5 340lbs with pass rush ability is PERFECT for our defense…I just think we have bigger needs…but if he is BPA when we pick, I’d take him in a heartbeat. Although I do think Mack is the next ware

          • Richard Colton

            you’re hysterical. if you’re this amped up now – what are you going to be like in April?

  • Jason Hall

    It’s some guys on here talking about tanking the season, for what? Even if we get one of these guys doesnt mean that we will be legitimate playoff contenders not even thinking about the Super Bowl. Theres alot of 1st round picks that have failed miserably Jamarcus Russel, Matt Lienart, Brady Quinn, Blaine Gabbert, Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Matthew Stafford, Josh Freeman, J.P Losman, Joey Harrington, I can go on and on. Think about teams that won the Superbowl, they were clicking on all angles not just quarterback play defense, ST, runningbacks, lineman, Wide Receivers. Ravens won a superbowl with Trent Dilfer say lol. Dont get your hopes up high to get slammed back to the ground. Because without all cylinders clicking we wont even get 8 wins in the years to come

  • GEAGLE

    Shefty is reporting that Larry Fitzgerald is on the trading block, and Vincent Jackson could also be available…
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    Play FOles til he has a good game and trade him for Fitzy lol

    • cliff henny

      LF for 2nd, extend d-jax, draft huff in 3rd to play slot…..shady in backfield…heck, pick any qb in 1st…i could play qb-and i have a labrum tear in my shoulder in never got surgery on

      • GEAGLE

        Lol I will Co-Sign the South Cack-a-Lackin Cliff for eagles QB movement!!!!
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        Get Fitzy and I won’t care who the QB is next year…bring back Vick for a year for all I care lol. Did I just say that? Lol

        • cliff henny

          actually, rather hold out and hope maclin gives 1 yr discount.

          • Token

            They still need another WR. Cant depend on Maclin coming back.

            Even if he does you still need another guy. I like Avant. But I think its about time to move on. Hes just not a dangerous weapon in a offense like this. We need more guys that can exploit 1 on 1 matchups.

            A top 3 of Jackson, Maclin and another good bigger WR would be interesting. But who knows what happens with Djax. They have a decision to make on him after the season too.

          • cliff henny

            avant is 4m, w 700k dead…i have him moving on. good guy, but not a kelly guy. slot needs upgrading.
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            d-jax will get extended…6m dead, in both sides best interessts. he’s worth 7-8m. just need to upgrade cooper and avant, ertz has to come on. think offense will be fine, shady helps

          • Token

            Wonder if Avant could fetch a late round pick? Hes a good slot guy in another system.

          • GEAGLE

            The problem with projecting the eagles moves is we have no idea what direction we are moving!!!we assumed Chip would build from the ground up! but then he played Vick, and Cole…if we are going to rebuild, the we have no use for old WR, but if Chip thinks we can retool on the fly, he might be interestested

          • Richard Colton

            we’ve been struggling with that question from the day he re-signed Vick. we rebuilding or not?

          • Richard Colton

            shake any tree in the NFL and six Jason Avants will fall out. Don’t see how he gets us anything. Nice player. good hands. even nicer guy.

      • Token

        Not giving up a #2 for LF. He will be 31 next season.

        • cliff henny

          he wont come cheap.

        • GEAGLE

          I would give up a two for Vjax…nvmd,.i didn’t realize he was so old.Thought he was like 27