Three-And-Out: Eagles-Giants Predictions

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McManus: Nate Allen.

Billy Davis was armed with a few interesting stats when he met with reporters this week. One was that the Eagles’ defense is being thrown on an average of 45 times per game (44.28, actually). That number is so high in part because the Eagles give up a lot underneath in the name of preventing the deep ball.


The Giants were undeterred by this style of defense the last time these two teams played. By Davis' count, Eli Manning threw deep 11 or 12 times against the Eagles in the first matchup. Manning attempted 52 passes overall in that game.

Safe to say the secondary will be busy again. Allen has been playing better of late, but faces a pretty stiff test on Sunday.

Kapadia: LeSean McCoy.

It's been an interesting few weeks for the Eagles' star running back. In the last meeting against the Giants, he was limited to 46 yards on 20 carries. Against Tampa, he played well, but had a little back-and-forth with Chip Kelly that reportedly resulted in the head coach apologizing to McCoy in front of the whole team. And last week against the Cowboys, McCoy said he played his worst game since his rookie season.

With a potentially hobbled Michael Vick, the Eagles will need to lean on the ground game. The feeling around NovaCare this week was that Kelly, McCoy and the rest of the offense have spent a lot of time focusing on coming up with ways to hit on explosive plays in the run game. Look for No. 25 to rebound - both as a runner and a pass-catcher.

Prop bet of the week: Over/under Vick rushing yards -- 35. Whaddya got?

McManus: I'll go under.

Vick's hamstring pull is a 3-4 week injury and we're three weeks in. According to Vick, he was only running at three-quarters speed during practice. He and Chip Kelly have routinely talked about being cautious to avoid further injury.

Vick is going to play Sunday barring a setback. He says he won't hold anything back when the game starts. There's no reason to doubt him there. I'm guessing Kelly, though, won't be dialing up a ton of quarterback-designed running plays and has probably encouraged Vick to hand the ball off when they go to the read option. But there will undoubtedly be a time or two when Vick takes off because he just can't help himself.

Kapadia: I'll take the over. It's no fun when we go the same way on these.

I agree with you that it would be unwise to keep the designed runs in the gameplan this week. But the Giants are likely going to play man-free coverage all game long. That means corners with their backs turned to Vick and the QB likely taking off on a few occasions if he can't find anyone open.

Vick doesn't know how to play cautious or conservative. Even if the hamstring is bothering him a bit, he should be able to get away from a Giants' defense that has more size than speed.

Predictions

McManus: Eagles 24, Giants 21

I'm a little concerned about that Vick hamstring. If he doesn't make it through, the duties fall to rookie Matt Barkley, who threw three interceptions in as many possessions last week. For the purposes of this prediction, however, we'll assume Vick lasts for the entire game and breathes some life back into the offense.

Davis' defense is improving. I think his unit will get beat a few times but will do enough to secure the Eagles' first home win in 10 tries.

Kapadia: Eagles 30, Giants 23

Despite last week's three-point output, I'm still a believer in the Eagles' offense. Unless the hamstring really bothers Vick and he puts up a serious clunker, I expect the Birds to move the ball successfully.

I'm seated firmly on the fence with this defense. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying they're a top-10 unit by any means. But last week didn't look like a fluke to me. It seemed more that guys were getting comfortable, and that includes the defensive coordinator. If progress is really being made, the Eagles should be able to create turnovers and limit the Giants, who are completely one-dimensional.

I've got the Eagles winning and covering the 6.5-point spread.

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  • jabostick

    I don’t know what to expect out of Vick (how hobbled he’ll be, how rusty he might be, etc) but I think Shady is going to go nuts. Big, big day for him.

    • Adam

      I hope you’re your right. I’m also prepping for the possibility this game goes like the Giants/Vikings game where the Vikes couldn’t get it going through the air (because Vick will probably be limited to the pocket) and that lets them shut down the run.

  • mrparabolic

    If Vick plays the entire game, I think he will run for more than 35.

  • GEAGLE

    Our defense is going to play it’s best game of the season and come up with ATleast two TO’s

    Our offense and ST don’t need to play a great game. If they just play a clean game and take care of the ball it will be enough to end this wretched streak

    Earl Hungry like a Wolff and the boy king will have a big week, but the player to watch is Shady…
    Giants will be in man coverage without a doubt. Healthy or injured Vick can’t risk leaving the game and sticking us with Barkley. So if Vick can’t exploit the man coverage with his legs, he has to exploit it using shady as a receiver. If shady can catch it in stride these Midget LBs and Liabilities(safeties lol) aren’t going to be able to contain him..

    Can’t wait to see how nasty our defense looks this week!! It’s coming..,,,

    • cliff henny

      you really love your defense. have a sneaky feeling for as long as kelly’s coach, you’ll be typing that last line.

      • Will

        LMAO….be typing that as long as Nate Allen is a starter..LOL…

      • evanphilly

        Don’t know if the D under Kelly is ever going to be a top 10 unit, but if they can hover in the 10-20 range, this team will be okie-dokie.

      • GEAGLE

        You know it!!! Considering they have literally improved by the game for the past month, I think it’s fair to acknowledge it and expect them to shut down a bad offense on Sunday!!!…

        Feeling much better about The defense than I I do the offense for this week

    • GoBirds1

      GayEagle, what happened to your boy Folsey?! What is with your gay hockey nicknames, this is football. All your blowhard predictions are a complete disconnect from reality. Nasty Defense??????? What Eagles team have you been following. I know, if we only had Manti Teo to lead the way… You are mush.

  • DEBO 215

    The Eagles have lost 9 straight home games. The Giants have lost 8 straight road games. Something has to give here…

    The Eagles last home victory came last year against…The New York Giants. That was an ugly game in which LeSean McCoy ran for a buck twenty and they eeked out a win on two missed FG’s late by the Giants. This year, I believe they win at home, and win by A LOT. Here is why:
    The Giants offense is easy to prepare for. They have no running game. If you can pressure Eli and contain Cruz/Nicks, then their offense is ineffective. Coming off of a game that gave the Eagles defense immense confidence against a really good Dallas offense, I see them getting 3 or 4 key sacks and forcing at least 2 turnovers.
    The offense goes as Shady goes this week and being frustrated and pressing the last few weeks, I think Shady goes absolutely BERSERK this week with Vick back there. I’m seeing read options and stretch plays galore to the tune of 27 carries for 180 yards and three (Yes THREE) TD’s. All on the ground and all from 20+ yards out. This will be his best game of the year. For this to happen, Vick will have to take off and run a bunch out of that option set, so I think your 35 yard prop bet gets blown up. I think Vick gets around 60 yards rushing and keeps them honest enough that Shady just smokes them.
    I see this being one of the more fun games to watch of the year for us Eagles fans.

    If you’re looking for a sneaky FFB play this week, I think the Eagles Defense, which is probably available, gets a defensive score late in this game.

    Birds 38
    Giants 17

    • EaglePete

      Watch out for their new FA pickup who was on the cover of Madden recently. He goes into beast mode it could be a long day. I wouldnt discount that either, he showed a bit last week. Also, with a slowed down Vick no way this team puts up 30, I think Tim is closer on his prediction. In typical NFC east fashion as we saw last week it will be a 13-10, 3-3 half or something similar with a low scoring outcome. Doesnt matter what rankings o/d have, this is always NFC east football.

      • DEBO 215

        Hillis looked so slow in that game against Minnesota…that dude is done.
        I think they put up points this week. As long as they win, I’m fine with a low scoring slugfest.

        • EaglePete

          ya, hes never been one to blaze by people but I forgot, silly me. This years team can tackle for the most part.

      • Will

        Peyton Hillis is a beast mode player…Let’s see Nate Allen take him on…alligator arms, run away from contact…LMAO…will bring out the Girl Scout in Nate Allen…LMAO…

  • Will

    The over under on Vick playing the whole game? If Vick makes it thru we will win. If Barkley goes in stick a fork in it were done. 35 -14 Eagles if MV#7 Hammy holds up. A very Big gamble would prefer Vick sit this one out.

  • 1972

    24- 20 eagles.
    I’d like to see Nate Allen actually make a play Timmy Mac.
    Its to the point that were praising him for not making mistakes.
    He’s a 2ND ROUND PICK. That’s not good enough

    • GEAGLE

      Doesn’t really matter….he is gone in 8 games

      • 1972

        I’ll believe it when I see it. Howies trying to hang on to this bad pick as long as he can

  • Will

    Peyton Hillis is a beast mode player…Let’s see Nate Allen take him on…alligator arms, run away from contact…LMAO…will bring out the Girl Scout in Nate Allen…LMAO…

    • DEBO 215

      Well he can certainly cover him in the flat. Hillis is slower then Nick Foles.

      • Will

        You mean get steam rolled and flatten, Nate will be sure to stay clear of him.

        • DEBO 215

          Yeah I wouldn’t want to see him try to take him on in the open field lol…but he can cover him on an out route.

          • Will

            Hillis gets the ball Nate will fall down or something and everyone else will have to make the tackle watch and see. I am calling Girl Scout Nate out….till I’m proven wrong. Just sick of the way he plays FS! 35 tackles and 11 assists, 1 sack, (4 passes defended) and 6 Stuffs for a loss of 25 yards which is mostly what he doesn’t do in 525 plays.

            Earl Thomas-

            Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Sk Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Tkl Ast Sfty AV
            2010 21 SEA FS 29 16 16 5 68 0 34 7 1 0 0 0 0 60 11 7
            2011* 22 SEA FS 29 16 16 2 19 0 11 6 1 0 2 0 0 67 29 11
            2012*+ 23 SEA FS 29 16 15 3 80 1 57 9 1 0 1 0 0 39 22 13
            2013 24 SEA FS 29 7 7 4 9 0 11 5 2 0 0 0 0 42 5
            Career 55 54 14 176 1 57 27 5 0 3 0 0 208 67 31

          • Dutch

            Any number of coaches will take Hillis in the gap vs Nate Allen coming up to support the run. Smashmouth Football

          • Will

            yup….Only Nate won’t be there to meet him in the gap which is why I can’t stand the guy! plays super deep to defend the pass which he is always 1-2 steps too late and does little to nothing against the run.

          • Dutch

            It looks to me as if Nate favors his knee and don’t have confidence in his knee as he did before the injury.

          • Will

            Nate not the same since injury for sure…now just a business decision to play as long as he can and avoid contact.

          • Dutch

            gotta love that Wolff Kid’s hit on Bryant sunday. we need more of that from out back end defenders, line em up in your sights and pull the trigger unloading both barrels. There has to be a cost for catching the ball over the middle of the Eagles defense.

          • Will

            Yeah I saw that, just made me hate Nate Allen more. Wolff had a nice pic as well in the end zone

          • Richard Colton

            which part did you love more Dutch? when Wolff just about knocked himself out making the hit? or the way it had no impact on the actual game?

            I like Wolff. He’s gotten better. But this defense is still a long way from good.

          • Dutch

            Good Hit for the kid shows he’s not fearful of contact which brings a moment of plause from receivers crossing the middle. There has to be a physical cost for catching the ball in front of your safeties.

            The defense over all is to slow with the exception of Boykins, to make a difference. Before they get better there will be tons of changes. They are ranked near the bottom of the NFL right now.

  • cliff henny

    guess watching Vick is the easy answer…but seriously, that’s who i’ll be staring at, before, during and after every play. 2 1/2 yrs of worrying after every hit or scramble over his ribs and getting concussed, now adding a bad wheel. mike, everyone knows you are great athlete, time to use great judgement. one hit or miss-step from Barkley over extended period. point guard it this game-distrubute the ball.

    • Dutch

      He threw judgement out of the window. He’s more valuable in games after this than the risk taken this week in playing.

      Mike’s wired to try to get 5 yds when we need 4 to move the chains, of that there is no doubt. What’s at question is the consequences for those 5 yds later in the season. I think Barkley is suited to perform against the Giants so long as he has a full arsenal of Eagles weapons to depend upon.

      There is no need to put Barkley though a 7 game trial, he can step up this week or step aside. Barkley is a big game QB

      • cliff henny

        i know you like Barkley, but cant see where you are currently getting any confidence he could win an NFL game. thought he looked better than a 3 pick statline. i’m holding judgement till he can get another full off-seson

        • Dutch

          It’s not necessarily how good the rookie looked but how bad the Giants as a defense plays.

          Under the circumstances Barkley was thus into the game last week, he could not have done much better, He was tasked with throwing the Eagles back into the Game. That proved to be a fantasy for a cold rookie with no practice time at game speed.

          • Will

            Barkley is a joke absolutely no zip on his passes. My GOD he plays a whole game were done!

          • Dutch

            I don’t think so, Montana never had zip on his balls, but like Barkley was proficient in anticipating the routes and had nice touch. It was not his velocity last week but his misjudging of the speed of the defenders to close on his passes. One interception he definitely was throwing away, and the defender ran down that ball for an interception.

            A good trait in Barkley is that he was not humiliated and continued to sling the ball down field, he never pouted and, or doubted himself.

          • Will

            He throws so soft any one has time to pick it off….unbelievably slow….I watched him in camp this summer comparing him with Vick and Foles, thought he was taking it easy while his shoulder healed.Trust me unless that changes he should be gone, terrible draft pick …

          • Dutch

            Did you remember he was still heeling from his shoulder separation. Sanchez is missing an entire season from the same injury. I think he can come around, but he has to be accustomed to the speed of the defenders first.

          • Will

            okay but I don’t see it. Vick goes down Barkley’s in. Gonna be ugly might see GJ’s first NFL game….Vick’s hammy goes will be 1st quarter ….or start of the 3rd…hope he stretches and stays limber at half time. Barkley will be embarrassing and will get ripped on here…….

          • Dutch

            That’s why I would rather Barkley in now and hold Vick over to make a run for the division in later crucial games.

          • Will

            Hey I want Vick to sit out too. I could live with one Barkley game .Think we’d lose but rather have Vick for a division run.

          • RaiderDebo

            A division run??? What do you think Sunday is?? Eagle7 has missed one too many games already. Can’t afford to be losing division games. I knew before the game last week the Eagles were doomed. Enough is enough. E7 has to get back out there, whatever % healthy he is.

          • Will

            Vick hurts that hammy of his again will sit out 4-6 weeks one game not worth the risk…

          • anon

            which one of our receivers names is jerry rice?

          • UKEagle99

            I get where you are coming from. I’d definitely like to see him play, either this game if Vick isn’t 100% or later in the season if we are out of the running. Can’t wait for Eli’s pout after he throws us his first pick.

          • cliff henny

            not disagreeing. i thought he showed a much better arm in just 2-3 months (i dont think it’s as weak as people are making it out to be), moved in pocket well, had a good release and made quick decisions. plus tried to get the ball down the field. sort of like how he had no memory….outcome sucked, but that happens to 3rd stringers. might be something there. i’d like to see couple games at end of the year if eagles are out of race.

          • Dutch

            It is important to see him rebound from a thrashing. I agree with everything you posted.

    • GEAGLE

      Yup, Vick needs to be smart enough to play a conservative game staying in the pocket. if the pressure is coming, throw it away. he doesn’t need to win this game for us, but he needs to make sure he doesn’t lose it for us. Don’t try and do too much….
      ….
      Vick can’t afford a setback that causes him to miss another 3-4 games, and we can’t afford having to play Barkely against the Giants. Vick needs to stay in The pocket, just for one game, play smart, protect himself and most importantly TAKE care OFF THE BALL. Our Defense will come up with TOs vs. Eli so if we play a clean game and take care of the ball, we win!! Hoping Vick can be smart enough to know that we don’t need him to be superman to win this game…we need him to be Dilfer!! Lol

  • Dutch

    If I were coaching the Giants Defense, I’d just overload on. Shady McCoy like the Cowboys did and play to defend the short routes with a single safety deep.

    Vick is virtually on one leg, if the Eagles are crazy enough to deploy him under center then definitely don’t play him to rip off long runs with a hammy issue. Stack the box especially on 3rd downs and keep a spy to contain Vick between the tackles. Make Cooper and Avant beat your defense.

    • Will

      I would force Vick to run…..doesn’t bode well if Vick’s not 100% soon as Vick grabs the back of his leg the game is basically over…

      • Dutch

        It’s simpler to sit back in a short zone and make Vick throw to greasy finger receivers. The gamble is the receivers will not catch in traffic.

        • Will

          We will see gonna be watching Vick….I bet they Blitz alot early on to test his mobility before sitting back in zone, load the box , shut down McCoy force Vick to run on them to test that hammy. Be surprised if they don’t play a lot of Man coverage…Single high Safety on Jackson all game….any way that’s how I’d defend against them.

          • Dutch

            I think so as well, that’s not a bad strategy considering the Giants outplayed the Eagles OLine last time out. I’d like to see a number of blitzes and stunts to gage where the Offensive Line is at this point in the season. I think we all agree, Herremans could use replacing. We are going to need a fast, rugged mobile interior linemen to replace Herreman to get the best out of our line, but I’m still satisfied with their production this year.

          • Will

            Allen Barbre….could do it given the chance…replace Herremans…

          • Dutch

            How old is Barbre, how many years can be get out of him? I think he’s our swing linemen, he can play tackle and guard, using him at guard leaves up in a pinch to find another multi talented linemen.

            However, I agree it makes no sense in using him to decorate the bench when he has obvious talents that can be put to use up front.

          • Will

            Barbe is 29…6 year vet low mileage..Herremans 31….Herremans becomes the swing guy while he heals his foot…or shows he can still play at a high level

          • cliff henny

            not much wear and tear 29. todd needs to be backup for next 11/2 yrs, ride out howie’s extention.

          • Will

            think Barbre been floating around as a back up other than when he played for the titans…

          • cliff henny

            pretty much. seattle cinci i think. maybe that was mathis. why i dont get too worried over age of o-line. guards can be found, sometimes a blocking scheme just clicks for them. lane should be good. i thought dennis kelly played well by end, and talk about a guy put in 100% failure position. and kelce’s young. keep bringing in 5-7th rounders build young depth. hopefully peters can play well for another 2 yrs

          • Will

            Dennis Kelly Back injury might not be the same player ever Remember hell can’t think of his name was a hell of a guard for us, Andrews maybe hurt his back never was the same guy. Shawn Andrews I think we signed his brother from the Bengals…

          • cliff henny

            least he’s 23, or whatever, young, and getting time. be more worried if he wasplaying and struggling. hopefully he’s not needed and gets yr of no contact. sure that helps

          • Will

            The whole starting O-Line except lane and kelce are 31…..

          • Will

            People discount injuries when it comes to playing at a high level, most are never the same player. Adrian Petersen is the exception not the rule as far as injuries go…….

          • cliff henny

            30+ and 300lbs isnt same as 23 and freak athlete…my guess is AP’s body is wired slightly different than herrmann’s

          • Will

            Yeah happy for AP…

  • GEAGLE

    Shady McCoy gets traded on draft day

    • cliff henny

      impossible. when trading players, you have to take the dead money hit…why there’sso few or really any blockbuster trades

      • nicksaenz1

        I wish they’d change that rule once it hits a certain point in the life of the new deal. Say, after two complete years, only 60% of the remaining dead money would hit in event of trade, after 3 years, 40% hits the cap if player is traded, 20% after 4. Meanwhile, it still all applies in event of releasing a player. Just spitballin’.

        • cliff henny

          idk, dead money vs salary cap is what makes nfl great. that part of the system works. dont even want to get inch closer to nba’s system, that is a mess. sixer’s might as well not field a team, forfit every game, shut down arena and save on lighting and game expenses. like what they are doing, but nba rules have made this yr a joke. suns arent even being shy about it

          • nicksaenz1

            NBA is guaranteed contracts, easier to facilitate trade that way. I’m just thinking of a way to facilitate trades more than just for picks. It’s ridiculous that it doesn’t happen. I’m not saying abolish the dead money system but there’s gotta be a way to tweak it so that trade isn’t stymied entirely. Maybe give the option to use double declining depreciation of the signing bonuses instead of straight line. Something, anything, because I hate no real trades in the NFL.

          • cliff henny

            agree…i just meant dead money contracts in nba is a benefit-kwane brown being an asset is ridicilous vs nfl where dead money is detriment. like idea of trades, but system works, stink if they f’d it up

    • Dominik
  • DEBO 215

    Man was I wrong…