Three-And-Out: Eagles-Bucs Predictions

Foles

Player I’ll be watching

McManus: Nick Foles.




Obvious, I know, but is there any more compelling or important story line for this team right now?

Foles is expected to get the start in Tampa after a strong performance subbing for the injured Michael Vick last week against the Giants. If he has a mediocre to decent showing, it will be easy for Chip Kelly to hand the job back over to Vick for the big matchup against the Cowboys on Oct. 20 (assuming his hamstring is all healed up). But what if Foles is lights out? What if he tears it up against the NFL’s fourth-ranked defense? What’s Kelly’s move then?

"If someone comes in and puts on an unbelievable performance, you have to take it all into account," said Kelly.

What is the barometer by which you measure that?

"I don't know. And I don't have those answers. We can go through this a million times. If Nick plays this week and does an outstanding job, that would be great for everybody involved."

Kapadia: Jason Kelce.

The Eagles' third-year center had one of his worst games as a pro against the Giants. He spent about 15 minutes earlier this week explaining how New York's DTs kept him off-balance with a tactic called a nut stunt (All-22 explanation here). Kelce had trouble adjusting, and the Giants clearly won the chess match up front, stopping the Eagles' most productive offensive play, the inside zone read.

Kelce has reviewed the film, Kelly has put together the gameplan, and the Eagles get another shot. The only problem? Kelce now has to deal with one of the best defensive tackles in the game in Gerald McCoy. Another week, another test for the Eagles' center. His ability to match up with McCoy is worth keeping an eye on Sunday afternoon.

Prop bet of the week: Over/under rushing yards for LeSean McCoy – 75. Whaddya got?

McManus: I’m going under. A couple factors here. As you did a fine job of explaining this week, Sheil, the running game (and specifically the read option) is more potent when the defense needs to account for Vick. It makes sense to me for Kelly to adjust the attack while Foles is in, and maybe he will, but everything we heard this week suggests little will change. I don’t like McCoy’s chances if that’s the case.

The Bucs’ defense is holding rushers to 3.7 yards per carry. They are the only unit that hasn’t allowed a rushing touchdown this season. I think they’ll be selling out to stop McCoy, putting the pressure on Foles to get it done through the air.

Kapadia: Tough one, but I'm going to go over. To me, one of the most fascinating story lines of this game is what we see Kelly do with the run game. Talk to his former players at Oregon, and they'll tell you Kelly is a master at adjusting his scheme. Several even threw out the term offensive genius.

And when Jeffrey Lurie hired Kelly, he used the term innovator. This wasn't about just bringing his offense to the NFL. It was about always keeping the Eagles a step ahead of the competition.

This weekend is a great opportunity to see where the head coach stands in that regard. The Giants provided a blueprint to take away one of the Eagles' most productive plays, the inside zone read. And now Kelly has to put together a gameplan (most likely) with a less-mobile QB against one of the best run defenses in the league. The man takes his offensive scheme very personally. Despite what he's said all week, I'm expecting some new wrinkles that will enable to McCoy to get close to the 100-yard mark.

Predictions

McManus: Eagles 26, Bucs 20

Rookie Mike Glennon will be making his second NFL start on Sunday. In his debut against Arizona last week, he went 24-of-43 for 193 yards with a touchdown and two interceptions. The Bucs lost 13-10. After facing a host of quality quarterbacks to start the season, this is a test this Eagles’ defense should be able to pass.

While Tampa’s defense is stingy, I believe Foles makes enough plays to secure the win.

Kapadia: Eagles 27, Bucs 17

Tampa is talented defensively, but Billy Davis gets a nice matchup on the other side of the ball. The Eagles' scheme is focused on stopping the run and not allowing big plays.

Davis likes to disguise looks pre-snap and bring pressure from different angles. Those things have not worked out against quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers. But against a rookie, the Eagles should be able to generate pressure and string together two straight wins for the first time this season.

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  • EaglePete

    the one point spread makes me not like Eagles chances to win. Silly per gambling I know but it just looks like a trap bet to me. Surely the Bucs are reeling with Freeman and Schiano nonsense and surely the Eagles can win this game by more than one. Just all sounds too easy and it never works out that way. How bout those Giants though, anyone else enjoy watching Eli throw INTs and gmen being a pathetic 0-6?

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      If the defense gets turnovers and gives us short fields I think we win it…it’s close…but it’s a W. No turnovers from the D…well it’s anyone’s game at that point.

      Tampa’s offense is just so bad though, so that makes me much more hopeful.

      • aub32

        That just shows how important a QB is. Tampa’s Defense is stellar. They have some good pieces on offense with V Jac, Williams, and Martin. If they only had a QB, I’d be very scared of facing this team.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          They could have Alex Smith…and it would be KC all over again.

          We’ve seen REPEATEDLY this year how football is the ultimate team sport. All the pieces make a difference.

          • #7

            “ultimate team sport”

            Those 3 words are unacceptable on here

        • EaglePete

          or you can read it as wow, a great defense can keep any team, even a bad one with no QB in a game with a chance to win. Thats more how I see it, Im a huge proponent of having a quality D first and foremost. You can still then win with a mediocre QB. Come playoff time in the cold, even more of a weapon. But ya, a QB is kind of important ha

          • aub32

            But as great as that D is the team is still 0-4. You need a QB.

    • BlindChow

      Yeah I think this’ll be a rough one. Another afternoon of throwing stuff at the TV, screaming at the refs, cursing Billy Davis, wondering why Chip called THAT play, “ANOTHER FALSE START!?”, etc., all the way down to the last possession. I think it’ll take a string of comfortable wins before I have any confidence in this team not messing random stuff up…

  • Adam

    Love that Sheil pick’s a center for a player to watch. Sunday’s must be riveting in the Kapadia household!

    • GEagle

      Strongly suggest everyone listening to Kelce’s interview with Angelo cataldi from this morning. Angelo asked him how he felt with PFF grading him as the worst performance possible for a center in the Giants game, and Kelce Manned up and absolutely agreed and then spoke on how it’s been corrected. I kind of like that he is facing Gerald after such an embarrassing performance…

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    I think those scores are too high…

    17-13 Eagles (hopefully).

    lol

    • G_WallyHunter

      did u just use two for too?

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Oh God the horror…

        Edit: There it’s fixed. *rolls eyes*

        • G_WallyHunter

          lol I’m a grammar nazi, sorry, can’t help it

          • Andy124

            Strict with grammar but not punctuation huh?

          • G_WallyHunter

            LOL I was going to edit it to grammar/punctuation, thought it wasn’t necessary.

            A NAZI FOR GRAMMAR, SPELLING, AND/OR ANY PUNCTUATION MISTAKES..

          • anon

            is that a period or ellipses?

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ok, maybe just grammar and spelling and proper use of certain synonyms
            I couldn’t care less about punctuation lol

    • Andy124

      Sounds about right.

  • Andy124

    So Sheil and Tim are both predicting Nick to lead the Eagles to more points against the Bucs than any other team has managed against them this season? I don’t know how I feel about that.

    I just hope Nick doesn’t turn the ball over. Of course, that’s another thing no quarterback has managed against them yet, so I guess I’ll be happy with limiting the turnovers to just 1. :)

    • aub32

      Agreed. I get the hype over Foles from last wek, but he is facing a very good defense with limited weapons. He can play very well and still struggle in this game. Though I guess predicting Foles wins, but only scoring 13, opens yourself up to all type criticism from people who think Foles is the future of the franchise.

      • Adam

        So like Vick against the Chiefs right?

        • aub32

          No. The Chiefs D is good, but Vick played poorly as well. He could have done some things differently to help his chances. Foles can look good but still have a mediocre day. The key will be limiting the mistakes and trusting the defense to help him out against the rookie QB. Foles looked good against the Giants when the D was able to give him short fields. However, he only got FGs and punts when driving the length of the field. He also tried to do too much in preseason. I hope the game against the Giants gives Foles confidence in the defense that Vick didn’t seem to have against the Cheifs. I’m not saying Foles should be Alex Smith, but he doesn’t need to try any of those falling down shuffle passes either.

          • Adam

            Haha Ok. So Vick can play bad against a good defense and he’s still great but Foles can play good but he’s still going to look mediocre. That makes sense.

            “However, he only got FGs and punts when driving the length of the field.” You realize Foles has twice as many redzone TD’s as Vick this season? Vick has been just as bad if not worse driving down the field and not finishing drives.

            You’re already trying to downplay what Foles will do and the game hasn’t even been played. It’s honestly hilarious.

          • aub32

            HUH??????? What are you reading dude? When did I say anything about Vick? I didn’t even mention him in my first post. Stop trying to make this something it’s not. If you wanna have this same debate go somewhere else.

            You sound ridiculous. Foles has two RZ TDs. One was against the Broncos baackups. Vick has one passing RZ TD but 2 rushing. Last I checked rushing TDs count for the same 6 points.

            Why can’t you separate the two just once. Me being critical of Foles has nothing to do with Vick. I wasn’t down playing anything. I told the truth. You are either too in love with Foles or hate Vick too much to see that. Reread what I said. You won’t ever see where I called Vick great. Not today and not all summer. If you are going to continue to make this a habit where you just make things up and can’t have reasonable discussions about players that can include both praise and criticism, please do me the favor of never responding to one of my posts again. Thank you.

          • Adam

            lmao, you’re going to hide your love now. Your exact words above:

            “predicting Foles wins, but only scoring 13, opens yourself up to all type criticism from people who think Foles is the future of the franchise.”

            You are one of the first to run and defend Vick for what he does, and he did almost the exact same thing against KC. He couldn’t score against a legit defense. Yet to you he’s clearly the better option. So no, putting up 13 points does not open anyone up to all types of criticism about whether or not he’s the future of the franchise. No one is talking about Brees not being the future of the Saints franchise because he put up 16.

            “If you are going to continue to make this a habit where you just make things up and can’t have reasonable discussions about players that can include both praise and criticism, please do me the favor of never responding to one of my posts again. Thank you.”

            Welcome to the internet bud. Don’t like, don’t comment. Last time I checked I can reply to whoever I want, whenever I want. Ignore my replies if you hate it so much.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “You are one of the first to run and defend Vick for what he does, and he did almost the exact same thing against KC. He couldn’t score against a legit defense. Yet to you he’s clearly the better option.”

            So do you just stay missing the point.

            1. The deal is Foles could have a GOOD game and still only score 13 ’cause that’s how good Tampa’s D is.

            2. Vick had a BAD KC game which is why there was such a struggle to score points…among other things.

            You are looking for a fight where there is none. Yet you’re so quick to talk about folk “defending” Vick.

          • aub32

            You’re oblivious. He’s the better option because he won the QB battle. Just because you choose to ignore that doesn’t meant it didn’t happen. You’re a child who clearly has problems comprehending the english language.

          • #7

            Adam,

            Did the QB battle not count? Did you not think it was fair?

            Thanks,
            #7

          • Adam

            Hey #7,

            How important is a QB battle if the winner can’t play more than 4 full games before he’s wearing sweats on the sidelines?

            Adam

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Way to not answer the question.

          • #7

            You must be 12 years old.

            Can’t ever be a man and answer a question. I wish there was a way that i could block you. Anyone using the name Vick can never reason with you, yet we “Foles Haters” will give Foles props.

            Trying to find a way to block you as we speak.

          • #7

            Why didn’t Foles beat out that old, dumb, washed up Vick?

            Can you be a man and answer that?

          • Richard Colton

            why bother Adam? some people are fans, and some people have an agenda.

          • #7

            oiododihodihdoihdoidhodih

          • #7

            And you say why bother? Why do you follow me around, yet I’ve given you the offer to settle this like men and you go silent.

            I’m calling you out. I’m coming to Philly for a game.

            Meet me face to face and we’ll see you get your ass knocked out

          • Richard Colton

            so boring. OK – deal. Will you wear your Alvin Harper jersey so I know who you are? Look for me in the JETRO lot. Google maps should be able to help.

          • #7

            Yeah we’ll see. And please don’t wear one of your skin tight dresses. We all know you like to cross dress.

          • Richard Colton

            Great. I’ll be the one in the wheelchair tough guy.

          • #7

            Well roll your ass up so you can get smacked.

          • Richard Colton

            deal. Alvin Harper though – you promised. Too Tall Jones will work too. Not Michael Irvin though, I want you to be able to make it through JETRO alive.

          • #7

            Can you buy them for me? Only got Eagles green.

          • cliff henny

            you see his new post? he has flawless strategy, if eagles win, vick was great, if eagles lose, it’s because of supporting caste. cant wait till vick fan boys are gone next yr

          • Richard Colton

            My favorite was when the Denver Broncos fan created a “phillysux” account and the two of them had a mutual admiration society. I guarantee – they will all slither away at the end of the year.

          • GEagle

            Oh man,,,an eagles message board with no Vick fanboys? What is this utopia you speak of? it will be so awesome. We can all sit back, judge two young QBs on Merit and improvement, finally having hope not having our time wasted with someone we pretty much absolutely KNOW will NEVER take us where we want to go at the age of 33.
            ..
            it’s going to be so peaceful and so less childish without these teenage Madden Vick boys….can’t wait

          • Dutch

            That is not a theory that holds water. If I can remember Foles didn’t last 8 games in relief of Vick last season after being exposed to a similar pounding in the pocket, so it’s not an accurate projection to suggest Foles can complete an entire season if we ever needed him.

          • Dutch

            To compare Foles outing to Vick’s, based on going against Kansas City and New York is amusing at best. You are selling the theory the two defenses are compatible.

            I don’t believe that is going to sell well many places, and least of all not in here.

      • knighn

        Correction: most of us who want to see Foles ARE NOT predicting Foles will be the future of the franchise. We just want to get a glimpse of what he might be. We already know that Vick is NOT the future of the franchise. We have also seen some flashes that indicate that Foles, as a 2nd-year player with fewer than 10 starts, can produce at close to the level of Vick.

        If Foles can only lead the Eagles to 13 points, so be it. I’ll be disappointed but will keep it in context: Drew Brees only led the Saints to 16 against the Bucs. Only one team (the Patriots) has scored more than 20 (23 points). If Foles leads the Eagles to 16 or more, you also need to keep that in context.

        • aub32

          Why are you turning this into a Vick v. Foles thing. I didn’t mention Vick. Nor did I mention everyone who wanted to see Foles play. I said hype. The hype refers to the fact there are people predicting Foles will do better than both Drew Brees and Tom Brady against this defense. That to me is buying into the Foles hype. I have never faulted anyone for wanting to see what Foles can do. I want to know as well, but only if the starter can’t go or we are out of contention. Can you and others please stop bringing up Vick every single time I say something about Foles. My opinion of one has nothing to do with my opinion of the other.

          As far as keeping it in context, I said Foles could play very well and still only amass 13 points. This isn’t a knock on Foles. Maybe some of you forget that outside of Jackson we still have receivers that struggle to get open. We still have TEs that will drop the occasional TD. The middle of our O line has had some struggles, and that’s the strength of Tampa’s D line. I don’t look at the QBs in a vaccuum like some of you do. Both QBs can do nothing without some help.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            I just had this same exact convo on GCobb. Like I’m not talking about Vick. I was talking about Tampa’s D and Nic Foles. How does that have anything to do with Mike Vick?

          • aub32

            Some people just want to lash out over and over. I’m tired, especially when nothing new is being brought to the table and the debate for Foles will always be “well we don’t know what he is” I can’t keep going back and forth while these ridiculous fans do nothing but call names and ignore details just to prop their guy up or tear someone down. This game has much more to do with our surrounding pieces than who lines up under center. Foles isn’t going to instantly make Riley Cooper a #2 WR. Foles isn’t going to get Herremans to stop making mistakes. He cannot pat DJ2 on the head and make him from 6 inches and gain 40 pounds.

          • EaglePete

            never say never. Nick can “throw” receivers open, fast release making the O line look great. But no, I cant say he’ll make a guy grow though. Maybe a well timed throw makes DJ2 seem faster in space though haha I kid. I got over the bash Vick stuff in the off season. You guys beat me down to buying into best player plays mode. I gave up on those back n forths. I dont dislike Vick as much as I used to, hes played well so far and done everything people want him to do for the most part. It took a while though after last off season being pro Vick to seeing them sign him in the offseason, I was disappointed and wouldnt let it go. Anyway since you didnt bring up Vick I thought Id bring him up

          • #7

            They always do. Many times I will purposely not even mention Vick and they start it up

          • Richard Colton

            Your picture – is Vick. Your screen name – is Vick. You’re only here to comment – because of your love for Vick. That’s why you’re a clown, and everyone on here knows it.

          • #7

            FU soisoisijsoi s oijsoaisosi aosoadugaoixjoksnao

          • Richard Colton

            didn’t you just ask someone if they were 12? But feel free to address my points.

          • #7

            You’re acting 12 by obsessing over me. I ignore all your stupid ass posts and you continue to follow me around.

            That’s why I just give you gibberish as a reponse because that’s all your little b.. arse is worth.

          • #7

            And the pic is not Vick, It’s White Vick. And why can’t you debate like a man and quit being a little B…

            You follow me around on every f’ing thread. Are you obsessed with me or something? I’m happily married. I’m not into what you appear to be into if you know what I mean

          • Andy124

            And why is that exactly? Why choose a picture of “White Vick”?

          • #7

            Because I felt like it

          • Richard Colton

            now you’re a petulant clown. Not a good look for you.

          • #7

            Man up Richard

          • Richard Colton

            Don’t give up that easy. You’re folding like every other Cowboys/Braves fan.

          • #7

            That’s what I thought

          • #7

            And since I’m a clown, why do you bother? Be a man and answer that. Following me around like some little punk fa….t

          • Richard Colton

            see above. the fact that you don’t know just shows how little you know about this team. YOU ARE NOT A FAN. Admit who you are. Say it. I AM A FANBOY. You’ll feel better. I swear.

          • #7

            LMAO

          • Richard Colton

            See? I told you it would feel better. Now you’re laughing and everything. I mean, as a Cowboys fan, I hate you. But I’m still glad I could help.

          • #7

            oodihdoihdodihodihdodihdoihd

          • #7

            You need to get your thong out of your a,,, little fa…t

          • #7

            “the fact that you don’t know just shows how little you know about this team”

            LOL I’m on here more than you. F’in fraud, trolling clown.

          • Richard Colton

            I love it. Every time you open your mouth you expose yourself as an even bigger fraud. And if you don’t understand why Eagles fans would be hostile to an admitted Cowboys fan who converted because of his love for one player…then its just one of many things you don’t understand about the Eagles.

            Let me recommend shutting up and listening instead of running your mouth. You might learn something about your “team.”

          • #7

            Who was that player?

          • knighn

            We who want to watch Foles play don’t necessarily believe that he is the future of the franchise. We just know that the guy in front of him is not… just like I knew that the guy in front of him wasn’t going to be the starter by week 6 (go ahead and check my posts from early August). Why do we want to watch Foles play? One of the biggest reasons is the guy in front of him. If the guy in front of him was Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, RGIII, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Colin Kaepernick, etc… I think we’d be a lot less interested in the guy playing behind him. If you want to call that a “Vick vs Foles thing”, that’s your prerogative, Bobby B.

          • anon

            Vick has performed way better than RW, CK and RGIII this year — RW and CK win games largely b/c of their defense, but keep going.

          • knighn

            Sure. RW, CK and RGIII are young, still developing QBs. They should all still be playing in the NFL in 2016. I’d be shocked if Vick is. Vick’s greatest strength, his mobilty, makes him like a QB and a RB all-in-one. That strength is also one of his downfalls: he’s been taking hits like a RB his whole career. There aren’t many 33+ year-old RBs running around the NFL. Once again: we know Vick is not the future of the franchise. We’re curious to see who might be.

          • anon

            I’d take his hits over 2 acl surgeries on the same knee. I don’t see why Vick cant be a 2 year solution on this team assuming he plays well (for me he’d need to play more like week 1 and 2 Vick). I’d love not to have to be a bottom 10 team and try to get a QB in this draft — maybe trade back and fill some spots on this team.

            I, like everyone else, understands the importance of a franchise QB — maybe there’s a lot coming out in this draft, but there’s also more busts at that position than hits.

            If we can be a 10 win team with Vick and some more pieces acquired in the draft next year i’d take that. Maybe get some pieces that will make the QB look better (like WRs) and some D players — get everyone time to gel, etc.

          • #7

            It wouldn’t be pretty on here if Vick were to be brought back. I agree with your point, especially on the RG3 point. RG3’s knee is older than he is.

          • Dutch

            That matters little, chances are in the same scenario next year, Foles doesn’t have what it takes to take the starting position away from Vick then. If Foles was the apparent relief for Vick next year it would be convincing.

            Kelly endorsed Foles as a starter in this league, he never endorsed Foles has a starter for his offense.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “Kelly endorsed Foles as a starter in this league, he never endorsed Foles has a starter for his offense.”

            That made me chuckle.

          • knighn

            Two-year solution to what?! The Eagles aren’t winning Jack with any QB in the next two years. I’ve got an idea – the next time Vick goes down, let’s dump Foles and bring in Donovan McNabb or Brett Favre. Hell, they’re already retired and won’t have anything to do with the future of the team but let’s not let that stop us – those extra wins (that ultimately won’t improve the future of the team) will be worth everything!

          • Dutch

            I could agree with the future of the franchise portion of this post, but there’s still zero chance that if the Eagles chose Vick as insurance for next season that Foles has anything in his tank to challenge Vick as the starter. If you have a 3rd pro that can’t unseat a 33 year old than that’s a waste of time having the 3rd year pro around.

            If there was something in Foles Chip Kelly would have never taken Barkley, and I’m willing to bet that Chip loses sleep having picked over Geno Smith in the draft. He was in position to package a few low rounds to move up to snag a viable Geno Smith in round 2, this is another case where the Eagles out maneuvered themselves in the draft again.

          • #7

            I was surprised that Geno beat down the Falcons like that. He looked pretty good

          • anon

            Foles is better than gino IMO. Barkley likely is better than Geno. Geno benefits from (a) a better WR core, but more importantly (b) a way better defense and aside from ATL i think playing against worse competition. Maybe the bucks game will be a good comparison. But this FO definitely did its diligence on Gino.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Foles is NOT better than Geno. Geon’s problem is he has MM as his offensive coordinator. If it wasn’t for his pass happy ways they would have won the Pats game. In a year or two Geno will be a solid starter.

          • JofreyRice

            I still tend to think Geno’s draft stock suffered because he was under the microscope as the only possible franchise QB in the draft for almost a full year. I think every flaw was scrutinized and over emphasized.

            I think we’re seeing a little of that same thing with Bridgewater now, with people saying that he’s not playing great defenses. The guy was lights out against Florida, with Elam and Sharrif Floyd all over him in the Bowl game. It seems like everyone wants to be the first to say that the emperor’s got no clothes, without actually looking for themselves.

          • aub32

            You’re missing my point. My comment was NOT directed at anyone who wants to see Foles play. Every Eagles fan wants to know what Foles is. My comment was about the hype. The nothion that Foles is going to take this group of skill players and and put up 21-28 is all about buying into the hype. Can he do it? Well that’s why they play the game. However, to just expect it is buying into the hype.

          • cliff henny

            wishfull thinking kelly is the offensive guru we hope he is. have to imagine kelly’s been working on Foles’ plays during past 6 weeks.

          • aub32

            I think he has. I think we will see much more 2 and 3 TE sets. Kelly seemed to love Vick and Shady going against Nickle and Dime loos. We all saw why with this running game. Foles will likely need more blockers on the field for the run game and could use the middle of the field more when taking check downs to the TEs that Vick could just pick up with his legs.

          • cliff henny

            mean, it cant be a surprise vick got hurt. foles does work TEs well. i dont think he’ll move the ball into redzone as much as vick would, but we know vick is 40-45% td ratio. if foles can somehow (playcalling, recrs deciding to catch the ball) convert better, that’s be great. 27 seems max end to me..3tds in 4 Rz, 1 short 1 long fg.

          • aub32

            I’m thinking 17 but would love to be wrong.

          • cliff henny

            low 20’s..see no reason foles cant get 5 scoring drives. RZ convers…where working TEs makes huge difference.

          • anon

            gonna be tough given the personnel, but personnel is only as good as the scheme so we’ll see.

          • Dutch

            Only if Kelly abandons his philosophy. Tampa’s front 4 should be solid enough to not have to depend on the blitz, while playing the short game with their linebackers and forcing Foles to go over the top of this defense into the realm of Revis and Goldson. Depending on Revis knee, he should not require help over the top on DJax, and there isn’t much concern with any other Eagles receiver beating the Tampa Defense.

          • knighn

            Apparently, that’s not what most of us took away from your post. Sure, there are some idiot fans who watch the Eagles. You can hear them call into talk radio every day. Some of them might already be convinced that Foles is a future HOFer. The class of fan that you find here is generally a little brighter. It seemed your comment was directed at us… not the idiot masses.

          • aub32

            You didn’t take that away from my post because you and other wanted to infer things that weren’t there. I have always remained even keeled about both players. Yet if you praise Vick you are are a villian and everythign you say is to uphold Vick and condemn everyone else. If you think this site is so free of the same people that call into the raido, then you’re not paying attention. Even Tim and Sheil are buying into the hype as their predictions are 26 and 27. That’s not to say they are to be grouped in with the crazies. They are just buying into the hype of last week’s performance against a terrible team with wonderful field position.

          • knighn

            Wonderful field position? Haven’t the Eagles struggled with Red Zone the last 3 years? So you’re being critical of Foles for doing something better than Vick has been doing the last 3 seasons? I get that Foles is over hyped (26 to 27 points seems high, all things considered) but do you get that you guys are also over-hyping Vick? You seem to think that he actual can lead this team, THIS team, to something special in the next two seasons. You are either seriously over-estimating Vick or this team.

          • Dutch

            Those people that haven’t accepted Foles for what he has shown in 2012 are in flat out denial and wishing upon a star.

            It’s amazing to me that there can still be claims with regard to not knowing that Foles has to offer. We know perfectly well what this kid has to offer. We seen it first hand and it wasn’t pretty. If the Eagles score more than 10 points Sunday that will have been a major accomplishment against this Tampa Bay defense and don’t expect much going against that back end defense.

            Be satisfied if Foles comes away with less than 2 interceptions and a fumble.

          • GoBirds1

            correct me if I am wrong didn’t Mr. Foles beat this same Bucs team in their own house less than a year ago. Clearly Foles we be on a much better offense

          • #7

            Sir that was last year. This is the NFL not college. IMO every team can win on any given day

          • #7

            “We who want to watch Foles play don’t necessarily believe that he is the future of the franchise.”

            For you people that want to “see him play” you sure do add a lot of hype to it and attack anyone who mentions the name Vick in a positive way.

            I would say that you’re “fighting for your guy” yet you always say that you’re not lol.

            ???????

          • Dutch

            The Eagles have the second rated offense in the league, to take Vick out and replace him with Charlie Check Down is ridiculous and is reason to fire or at the very least have Chip Kelly committed to a mental institution.

          • GoBirds1

            Douche, I mean Dutch it is nice to see the institution you call home allows you blogging privileges.you must be taking all of your meds.

          • knighn

            Don’t mind you talking about Vick’s past accomplishments, or McNabb’s, or Cunningham’s or Jaworski’s. What gets ridiculous is when you suggest that any of those guys are the future of the Eagles.

          • #7

            What are you talking about

          • knighn

            You might be too young to remember this, but it’s not, “What are you talking about?”
            It’s “Whatchu talkin’ about, Willis?!”
            You may proceed!

          • #7

            You’re good with me knighn. Enjoy the debates

          • Dutch

            So for some reason some fans in philly would like Chip Kelly to take the QB of the second rated offense in the nfl out for an unknown.

            Only in Phila could something so backward make sense to some in the fan base.

          • #7

            “So for some reason some fans in philly would like Chip Kelly to take the
            QB of the second rated offense in the nfl out for an unknown.”

            Yes, that is correct

          • cliff henny

            i’m no fan of vick’s, but unless foles show he’s 2nd coming of Brady, vick is much better option. think what most are hoping for is foles to play so well kelly has no choice. know there’s small percentage that wanted foles in no matter what. vick will miss more than this 1 game, we’ll get to see all we need. and then draft marioti or hundley

          • knighn

            What’s their scoring rank? Oh that’s right. Only yards matter. Why would the Eagles possibly want to score when they get into the Red Zone? Red Zone Efficiency doesn’t mean anything. Certainly Chip Kelly’s favorite QB attribute (Repetitive Accuracy) doesn’t mean anything either. Let’s just keep piling up those yards and field goal attempts. Yards count for points in Fantasy Football. Why can’t they count in real football too? You’ve convinced me. Let’s stick with Vick the next three years!

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Changing the QB isn’t like to change our RZ woes considering those problems don’t remotely begin and end with the QB

          • Andy124

            Most likely. But that doesn’t negate Knighn’s point that saying the Eagles have the second rated offense in the league is more than a little silly. Nobody uses yards gained alone as the measure of an offense unless they have an agenda.

          • #7

            Knighn you make a good point. I think the TDs will come with both QBs if needed. I’ve been hard on Chip the last couple of games, but it seems like he’s adjusting. Like what he did with Foles against the Giants. And to be honest, more so with Vick because he can run and pass. Foles can play, but defenses don’t fear him. And he doesn’t take enough shots for me. Yeah he gets the ball out fast, but are we scoring TDs? He has his chance now to show it..hell second chance.

            These days though, because of the rules, it’s good to have a mobile QB. Sure, pocket passers still have a place, always, but their are more dual threats that are better now than pocket QBs. And I’m talking ELITE. There’s four ELITE pocket passers (Luck is 5th) in the entire league.

            RZ is tough for all QBs besides Peyton. Dude has 16 TDs and the closest one is way behind.

          • knighn

            Look at the Red Zone efficiency for The Eagles now. Look at Vick’s versus other QBs over the course of his career. Then look at Chip Kelly’s “most important QB attribute” – repetitive accuracy. Vick has only finished one season with a better than 60% completion rate. It is very doubtful that Vick is going to show wholesale improvement at this point in his life.

            We don’t need huge upgrades to Vick’s weakest areas. We don’t need Peyton Manning (though that would certainly be nice). We just need someone more accurate and more consistent (sounds a lot like Chip Kelly’s repetitive accuracy).

            As for the successful, mobile QBs, they are typically most successful when they are also consistently accurate (when compared to their peers). Thus one of the most mobile QBs in the NFL who also has one of the strongest arms isn’t having success because he’s not passing well enough (Cam Newton).

      • cliff henny

        weapons are limited because cooper stinks and celek drops too many. celek for some reason seems to catch better when foles throws it than vick. hope kelly finally has come to his senses on cooper, it’s ridiculous to keep rolling him out there to do nothing. get dj2 is a smurf…where’s that shehard kid or salas? sure either could have outperformed 8/9 catches for 90 yrds at this point.

        • aub32

          I disagree on Sheppard and Salas. They couldn’t get much separation against backups. DJ2 could probably get open, but you would definitely lose out when it comes to blocking. I think we will start to see Maehl take more of Cooper’s snaps. He’s a pretty good block and may, I can’t say for sure, bring more to the table as a receiver than Cooper.

          • cliff henny

            was half a joke on shep/salas…meant a street body could do what he’s doing. i’m just about fed up with cooper. pretty obvious he cant get job done, ave 2 catches 20 yds, in this offense, the way he’s being covered? yeah, maehl needs snaps. guy doesnt have top end speed, but has short range quicks. fact is, he cant be worse

          • aub32

            I’m not mad at Cooper because he is what I expected him to be. He’s the 4th receiver whose job it was to play special teams and help in goal line situation with either catching passes or blocking. I never expected him to be anything more. If Mac were still around, I think we would be happy with Cooper being a good blocker and having a RZ TD catch to this point.

          • cliff henny

            plenty of guys get their chance and step up, how most of guys get their shot in nfl. i agree he’s playing to his ability, that’s the freaking problem! he’s really not even a good 4th option.

          • aub32

            Can you name me 10 4th option guys that would do any better. This is why I wanted to replace Avant. Avant is purely a slot guy and can’t go outside even in times like these. If we had a #3 who could both play the slot and step outside in case of emergency, we would be better off.

          • cliff henny

            we chatted b4 about this, i wanted neither to see significant PT, avant(5th option) or cooper(cut). cooper is the type of player that gets playtime on bad rosters. you know he has issues, but just no one better behind him. com’on, guy is getting 1 on 1, at times has half the field to himself, and is 9 for 93…F, he should be getting that in a game. guys come out of nowhere all the time when people get hurt infront of them. after 4yrs, best you are is 4th option, and bad one at that, hit the bricks.

          • aub32

            I agree with you. He should be doing more. I jsut never thought he would. He didn’t last year when given the same opportunity. You are absolutely right. He’s the last option on bad/injured teams. I just can’t get upset fo him being what he is. I wish we would trade for Gordon, but I see the downside there too if he decides to be stupid and get suspended again.

          • anon

            Sadly i think us getting any player of meaning from the Browns is unlikely given the history. I understand they are asking for a 2nd round pick. Gotta say no to that.

          • aub32

            I wouldn’t give up a 2nd, but i would definitely trade a 3rd. He’s proven, compliments Djax perfectly, is young, and for once we’d get a guy not coming off of an ACL repair.

          • anon

            Agree — conditional 3rd, if he gets suspended becomes a 5th or something like that.

          • cliff henny

            lol, guess expectation level…you had none, so, he hasnt dissappointed. cant argue with that. must admit, i totally misjudged impact of maclin’s injury. this offense is 1 wr from being tremendous. mac’s playing, probably 4-1, least 3-2.

          • #7

            I think we all did. You’re right on as far as the records you just mentioned

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Cooper is a good blocker, better than Ertz and DJ2 – he’s not giving up the blocking for a possibility of a better receiver.

          Now Mahel if he proves better at both will start to see Cooper’s snaps.

        • BlindChow

          Shepard will be on the opposite sideline on Sunday.

        • macadood

          vick’s lefthanded rocket of a spiral is apparently a lot tougher to catch for players

      • GEagle

        Anyone who would watch Sundays game vs. the Bucs, and think they now know who FOles is, is just silly…Whether it’s the greatest game a QB has ever played, or he looks like mark STANKchez, it’s still nothing more then a hint of what he will be..
        ..
        Don’t be fooled by the success of Wilson, luck and Tannahill…Luck is a once in a life time freak…and even a guy like Tannahill’s success has been expedited(compared to FOles) by the dolphins committing to him and dedicated everything to his growth for two offseason! and almost a season and a half of valuable game time in a healthy environment, even having his college coach.
        ..
        FOles is ten times the player Aaron Rodgers was at this point in his career..

        look at how Kapernick, Cam newton, RG3 struggled after their rookie season, now that they are asked to develope the pro style QB of their games, instead of running all over the place like their rookie seasons.
        ..
        it’s the toughest position in sports..Last year was the worst position a rookie QB could ever be placed in. This year he is learning a new coach. New offense, competing with an Icon neck and neck..during his sophomore season, and if you take everything into account, he has handled everything admirably..

        if FOles hangs 40 on Sunday in a surgical manner. I will be very excited, but ultimately it means very little in identifying who he will be. So when he lights it up, and you see me pounding the table for him to play…it’s not because of how he plays on Sunday, it’s because I know he has to play extended period of time, practicing as a starter so that we can really find out what We are all so anxious to find out.
        ..
        Who is Nick FOles? Jolly ol St. Nick? The Jolly one? Napoleon Dynamite?

  • anon

    looks like cb banks might have a staph infection. if im an eagles player i might just change at the hotel, forget the bucks lckerroom

    • Adam

      Yeah I’ve got some serious concerns about us putting our team in that stadium. MRSA is absolutely no joke.

      • Kevin

        I agree Adam. It looks like a third Buc has been diagnosed now. Not good.

      • jabostick

        Apparently the NFLPA might make that exact request…

    • GEagle

      It’s not the stadium, it’s the practice facility thats condemned

  • Cyrus Robinson

    If Billy Davis plays off coverage all game against a rookie QB, fire him on the spot.
    “We didn’t want him to carve us up with deep passes so we let him take short passes all game and keep the chains moving.”

    • BlindChow

      I agree. I was skeptical of Davis going into the Giants game, but he actually doubled Cruz (up until that point the Giants’ only weapon) at various points, so Davis does appear to have the capacity to gameplan for specific opponents. That makes me much more optimistic about Tampa.

    • #7

      Now THIS is the best post made today

  • Kevin

    Any truth to the rumor that the Bucs are changing their name to the MRSA-naries?

    • #7

      Good one

  • #7

    This seems like one of those games where our o-line will get manhandled and have unnecessary penalties. I hoping that we will be able to run the football as well as we have with Foles at QB. The read option helps McCoy out tremendously and that not taking anything away from him as a RB. If Tampa get Foles rolling out of the pocket in any direction, we’re in trouble.

    Foles does a good job of stepping up/side stepping in the pocket and he has to make his throws from there. We should win this game and I think it will be low scoring. 13-10. Hopefully Foles can keep the INTs/fumbles down and we should pull this out

    • cliff henny

      basically the same game vick had against KC, but Foles sux and if vick were playing, bet your prediction would be 45-10.

      • #7

        I could care less what you think. Just ignore. It aint hard

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Do you read what you write before you write it?

        Outside of Vick’s mishaps – there was an a$$ snap. A muffed fumble. Disastrous o-line penalties and receivers dropping balls and not getting open.

        Now we all agree that Tampa’s D is tough. They haven’t allowed a rushing touchdown and out backup is likely our starter for the day. And two of the better QBs in the league scored 16 and 23 pts respectively.

        So where in any of what 7 said did you get “Foles sux.”

    • Dutch

      Perfect game to monitor the development of Lane Johnson. So long as that kid continues to develop against good competition all is worth while.

      • #7

        Main reason for my post is that Tampa is not an easy place to play especially in afternoon games. I just hope that the line can keep the penalties low and Foles can keep the turnovers down. Despite the attacks I get on here, it is well known that Foles will fumble that football.

        Its a shame that Foles is like the Teflon Don on these threads. Can’t even have a debate on here with punks like Richard Colton and Adam running their mouths.

        • Richard Colton

          Dutch is an Eagles fan. He gets to have his voice heard. Yours is irrelevant. So you don’t. See how easy?

          • #7

            Oh? Little Richard Colton is in charge. Since I’m not an Eagles fan according to you, why do you bother?

            Just answer that. I ignore your posts because i know that you’re not a person that can handle an opposing stance. I wish you would just man up and be real on here.

            We know you hate Vick and want him gone. Be a man and say the “ship” instead of just attacking people because someone disagrees with your stance on Foles being the next coming.

            You know Dutch personally? I doubt that, just like you don’t know me personally (you will). How in the hell did you get the authority to determine who’s a fan lol. Just like you kind, always thinking you’re running “ship” when you’re not.

            i support Vick because IMO I think he’s the best option. My handle, I thought it was a cool handle to use. Straight up truth. A guy in my fantasy league uses the pick and I took it. Just stay off of my posts. I’ve had enough and you should have too.

          • Richard Colton

            you don’t get to lie and change positions like that. Everyone remembers the preening you did on here when Vick was named the starter, or how you used to address half your posts directly to Vick himself.

            To review: you are, and always will be a Fanboy and a clown. You aren’t an Eagles fan. And until you start being honest, you’ll keep being called out.

            And yeah – I want Vick to start as long as we’re in it this year.

          • #7

            You come on here like you’re some elder or something lol. I would bet that you’re lying about your own “fandom”. I don’t have to prove “ship” to you.

            “you don’t get to lie and change positions like that”

            What does that even mean? I’ve been consistent with my support of the best QB on my team’s roster. If Foles comes in and wins the job, good for him. He’s on his second chance to win it.

            Preening? Yeah, i talked a little noise because of battling people like you on here with all of the things that was said about Vick that was WRONG. You fiercely support Foles. Why can’t anyone else have a different opinion? Because Little Richard Colton said not to? Pfft

            Lost a step. Nope
            In decline. Nope
            Can learn the offense. Nope.

            I could go on and on and you were one of the culprits and you got called out on it by me. Obvious that I stomped on a nerve of yours. Vick proved you wrong and you didn’t like that. Also, you follow me around on the defense blogs when I don’t even mention Vick.

            Good. I’m glad you didn’t like it prick. And I’m dead serious about meeting up. if you’re in a wheelchair you need to shut your mouth then about manning up. I ignore your crap for weeks and if you do what you say you’re going to do you’re going to get smacked in the mouth for al of your tough blog talk. I’m through with the blog talk with you

          • gruvi

            you and all posters that act like you need to grow up emotionally and pay heed to the blog proprietors rules, or see ya!)))

          • #7

            I guess you purposely missed his posts. Guy has be following me around for months

        • Dutch

          I don’t agree, Tampa has talent and potential, The Front is similar to Kansas City, and the Back End Defenders speak for themselves. this is a quality defense and should not be taken for granted. This miles ahead of the defense the Eagles faced last season. I also don’t have a doubt that gront 4 is going to massage Foles once or twice and play with him on the back end.

          This is a good game for our young guys on offense, Lane Johnson and Nick Foles just to name two….

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “I also don’t have a doubt that gront 4 is going to massage Foles once or twice and play with him on the back end.”

            *DEAD*

            You were all kinds of wrong on that.

  • Eagledelphia

    These comment sections are getting ridiculous all so people can defend their qb of choice. I seriously hope this qb situation is settled for good on Sunday one way or another and Iassume it will

  • GEagle

    No matter who our QB is, this week scares me.
    ..
    I have Never seen Nate play a game without letting a WR get behind him. Well Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams with a big armed QB should scare the bejesus out of any fan who roots for a team that continuously trots out “not so nasty” Nate…Even if it’s a rookie QB….a glaring weakness at safety is one of the worst single player liabilities a defense can have in today’s pass happy NFL… You need to have an elite pass rush to have any hope for overcoming a glaring hole at Safety..
    ..
    We can say Nate has improved but my eyes still saw WRs get behind him deep multiple times against the giants. When a safety is double teaming a WR having over the top help with a CB underneath it’s inexcusable to let a WR behind you, yet I. Had to watch Brad Fletch have to bail him out with a BIGTIME PBU…Tampa has a very good Oline and at some point Glennon will get time, and every single QB we play will take shots at Nate, and these Big Strong Tampa WRs scare me
    ….
    Nate plays petrified of getting beat deep, lines up 20yards back on 3rd and 10 while QBs have shredded us with intermediate routes all game, and he is a horrible tackler so our CBs have to be flawless on slants, or we will continue to get burn like we did for that TD vs. the midgets…so since he is clearly too afraid to get beat deep that he can’t defend short routes, it’s really incomprehensible how he still continues to let WR get behind him, when he brings nothing to the Box, and is a liability on short routes…

    We can’t win this game without some solid QB play from whoever ends up playing. They are going to buckle down and take shady and the run game out of the equation. This is anvery good ood defense who understands that it will have to carry a rookie QB…it’s crucial for whoever our QB is to not allow them to take shady out of the game, by making him an effective Receiver which he is very capable of.
    ….
    This game scares me. Vick hasn’t played well against good defenses, and Nick hasn’t faced many good defenses…Bucs will make our QB beat them, it’s a great test and challenge. Let’s find out if we have gelled enough, and are starting to turn the corner to be able to claw and scratch our way to a low scoring win against a very hungry team who was embarrassed by our rook last year…

    • #7

      I’m with you on this. IMO, since Ertz does not have a big role yet (he should), who is Foles #2 WR? If the plan is to have #10 running drags across the middle he has a good chance to get laid out by Goldson, who I thought we should have signed and release Nate Allen.

      We have to be somewhat encouraged though. Nate Allen hasn’t had his name called for anything negative in a few games I think. Seems that he’s been tackling a lot better. Hope this continues

  • Kevin.Rosenberger

    I think this teams confidence is significantly higher this week. The defense is not as terrible as people claim. Nick Foles will have a break out game and not just dink and dunk. 37-13 Birds.