Twitter Mailbag: What About Jairus Byrd?

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From @dyurkanin: Why (or why not) should the Eagles pursue a trade for a key position of need? i.e. Josh Gordon or Jairus Byrd


Let's focus on Byrd for a second. He is a fit for the Eagles on a couple levels. One, as you mentioned, he plays a "key position of need." The secondary would be instantly improved. He also played his college ball at Oregon. Chip Kelly was the offensive coordinator during Byrd's final two seasons in Eugene, so there is a familiarity there. Kelly would have a pretty sound understanding of how he would fit into this defensive scheme.

It makes sense to bring Byrd in, just not right now. The Bills are shopping the safety largely because he is expected to be a free agent at the end of the year (Buffalo used its franchise tag on him this season; it would be surprising if they did it again). Would  the Eagles give up a quality draft pick for a player whose contract is up at the end of the season? Especially when they aren't in legitimate position to vie for a Super Bowl? Probably not.

There are a couple concerns with Byrd: he has been sidelined early on this season with a foot injury. And at 27, how much will that 4.67 40-time dip as he gets further on in his career? Howie Roseman and company will have to do their homework.

The Eagles will be after safety help this offseason, no question, and it could well come in free agency as the secondary crop  is not expected to be stellar in the upcoming draft. Maybe they get Byrd then, but I don't see it happening in-season.

Gordon is an interesting one. He is 22, productive and under contract through 2015 (making next to nothing). The Baylor product is also a failed drug test away from a year-long suspension. If the risk pays off, it's a home run. Probably unlikely that the receiver ends up in Philly, but interesting to think about.

From @PFF_JCollacchi: say Vick is out two weeks, and Foles leads team to two wins. QB controversy? Who would you pick and why?

I would pick Nick Foles. Not because I think he is the better option this season. Michael Vick gives you the best chance to win more games this season, I believe.

The question is, how much do you value wins in the first year of the Kelly era? If the Eagles roll with Vick and finish with eight wins, say, whereas Foles gets you six, where does that get you at the end of the day? Maybe you can sneak into the postseason in a bad NFC East, but that won't disguise the fact that this team is far away from being a legitimate contender.

I believe the rest of the season should be about discovery, especially at the most important position on the field. I understand the Eagles wanting to give Vick a shot in this system and see if fireworks ensued. And to a degree, they have. But as Vick deals with yet another injury, the point should be clear to the front office that while Vick can give you an electric jolt, it is not a sustainable current. If you don't see one of these young guys play for an extended period of time, at the end of the season, what will the team have learned about its quarterback situation that it doesn't already know?

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  • DrePa

    I’d play Barkley/Foles and see if he makes sense. (I don’t believe he does) Then look at some of the young guys coming out this year. Tajh Boyd and Brett Hundley would be great picks for CK’s system.

    • Token

      I gotta watch some Hundley, everyone seems to bring him up.

      Boyd doesnt impress me from what ive seen.

      Mariorta has had some ups and downs this year to me. Had a good game last week. Its just that hes never really having to carry the team on his back. Or come back from behind. I wanna see him move around in the pocket to avoid the rush, he has a really clean pocket often. So just because of the type of game they play its a bit tough to evaluate him on some thing. Maybe the next 4 games will be a tougher test. But when you look at just skills, hes maybe the most intriguing prospect after Bridgewater.

      • sleepz

        Hundley was awesome last week against Utah. Great quick decision maker.

        • PaoliBulldog

          Saw that game too and I’m no expert, but Hundley showed nice passing touch as well as mobility. He’s big enough and a good student also. Worth keeping an eye on even if he doesn’t come out early in 2014.

        • Token

          Assuming Chips here to stay, im thinking another QB would have to be head and shoulders better than Mariorta for Chip to pick them over him.

          Unlike the other Oregon QBs to come out Marcus seems to have legit NFL ability and skillset. Id like to see him be a little more consistently accurate though. Think he has some mechanic issues. But he has the arm. And he has breakaway speed.

          Im always looking for consistent accuracy and a brain above anything else in a QB. Id like to see the guy lead the team in a tough situation too. Maybe that will happen against UCLA or Stanford.

          • anon

            mariota = vick? can we use a top pick on a guy w/ accuracy issues? he’d be able to run the system, but will he translate?

      • cliff henny

        looks like kaep stature wise and athletically. long strides just eats up yards. much nicer throwing motion. not working with alot at ucla, unlike a boyd who has 3 or 4 1st rd talent guys. kid can play

        • Token

          I just dont see what everyone else sees in Boyd. Dont think hes a natural passer. And really I dont view him as a talented runner either.

          • cliff henny

            live in sc, seen most games, he isnt that athletic, very little touch and people just dont realize the talent he’s working with. clemson/dabo is a recruiting machine. he’s putting 1st rounders at skill position in every yr.

          • Token

            O yea certainly a very talented team. Hes kind of a lumbering runner to me. Dont really think hed have any success running at the next level.

            Assuming Bridgewater is out of the running for us, im watching mariorta very closely. The UCLA game should be fun to watch. Havent seen Hundley yet.

          • cliff henny

            worth a watch. TB is gone for sure, though he asnt looked like a world better to me. he’s playing no one, struggled against an at best mediocre kentucky. me…1, marioti by a huge margin 2, manziel…he’s impressed me…cocky shit, but he’s risen to it, does say something…philly could use moxy attitude – if kelly can reign it in. rather unstreetball than teach flaw in a throwing motion. 3, hundley.

          • Token

            Just dont see manziel translating to the league. Great college player. But too much of a freelancer. Many of his plays wouldnt be pulled off against NFL competition IMO. Many of his big plays are either jump balls to a 6’5 WR or long runs. Dont like his pocket game. Dont like his character. And he actually doesnt have a very strong arm which nobody talks about.

            I think This week and the UCLA, Stanford games will show me alot about what Mariorta is. But, before seeing Hundley, Id have to say Marcus is in the lead. Especially when considering the offense.

          • anon

            He throws a lot of jump balls

          • cliff henny

            yeah, and he should to that evans animal. maybe they’re a package deal.

          • cliff henny

            oh, no doubt…as i said, calm the streetballer out. but, rather do that then worry about mental side. manziel went thru hell, he did most of it to himself, but fact he’s played better this yr overall, says alot. no denying he has serious talent.
            .
            in weird way, marioti struggling isnt the worst thing for eagles. nothing he puts on tape this yr is going to effect kelly, and might make him cheaper.

          • Token

            Hard for me to imagine MM getting out of the top 10. Hes nearly the prototype for todays NFL. I expect the pro days and other shorts workouts will really push his stock up.

            This is all assuming he comes out. But I think he will, especially if he wins the Heisman which looks like a good bet right now.

          • BlindChow

            Boyd seems like more of an EJ Manuel or Geno Smith type.

  • Token

    “I believe the rest of the season should be about discovery, especially at the most important position on the field. I understand the Eagles wanting to give Vick a shot in this system and see if fireworks ensued. And to a degree, they have. But as Vick deals with yet another injury, the point should be clear to the front office that while Vick can give you an electric jolt, it is not a sustainable current. If you don’t see one of these young guys play for an extended period of time, at the end of the season, what will the team have learned about its quarterback situation that it doesn’t already know?”

    Exactly.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Was a great point by Tim, let’s hope FO feels the same way

    • Richard Colton

      T-mac said it and it makes sense. I’ll argue the other side for a minute. Wins are important to a franchise that’s trying to turn things around, and the difference between a 6 win season and an 8 win season might be a playoff game.

      That said, the most essential question facing this franchise is “can Nick Foles or Barkley be a top QB in the league?” If Chip thinks he can answer that question either positively or negatively based on what he sees in practice, I’m OK with playing a lame-duck Mike Vick for the rest of the season.

      • Token

        Vick is practicing today, so looks like hes playing.

        • Richard Colton

          wasn’t he already ruled out for Tampa Bay?

          • Token

            no. Not by Chip anyway. That was a “inside source” kind of thing.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Do you have a source for him practicing? Didn’t see that anywhere, that’s great news though

          • anon

            saw the tape on pe.com but today is a light day also unclear to what level he participated.

          • Andy124

            Also on philly.com. If this is a ploy, it’s a very effective one imo. I approve.

          • G_WallyHunter

            True, thanks, hopefully he starts. I might grab Flacco anyways with Clarina Matthews out.. could play well. Even though Stafford got shut down last week

          • anon

            yeah i blame that on no CJ. Flacco could be good.

        • anon

          i think he doesnt play but they dont announce that he’s out the weekend.

        • Adam

          Don’t think so, I think he’s just throwing passes. Not running or anything. Still a long shot to go Sunday.

        • BlindChow

          I think it’s a smokescreen.

      • jabostick

        On top of that, I’m not one of those people who thinks that a probable one-and-done in the postseason is reason for not striving for those extra wins. I think the NFL has shown that you just need to get to the dance and who knows what weird bounces or terrible Bronco’s Safety play you might stumble into.

        If they’re going to target a QB in the 1st round anyway and you think Foles is destined to be a very good/dependable backup, win what you can with Vick (if you deem him the best QB on the roster)

        • #7

          Just have to get hot at the right time.. Eli did it twice. Why not the Eagles? (If we make it of course)

          • Uncle Carm

            Agreed. Our offense is putting up well over 400 yards every week, and we are still feeling this thing out and learning. Based on some quotes by the players, they are still only using about 60% of the playbook. If somehow they can limp into the playoffs, maybe the playbook gets opened up and surprises some people.

          • pkeagle

            and it keeps Dallas out of the postseason for yet another year

      • Justin

        I’m honestly conflicted. I want to make the playoffs, but even we did, I have to think the odds of us winning the Super Bowl are somewhere between slim to none. So if that’s the case, I’d rather us get a higher draft pick. We need a QB. Vick is going to be 34 next year, and I’m not convinced Foles or Barkley will win us a Super Bowl in the future.

        • anon

          feel like its better for people on the roster if we win some games and show progress. can you imagine the lockerroom if we go 4-12, what people will say about ck, etc.

          we have enough cash to get players in FA if we don’t have high picks.

          • George

            Especially when they see Andy Reid contesting in KC and positioning himself for another NFL Coach of the Year Award.

          • BlindChow

            I don’t think the players who experienced 4-12 under Reid would be delusional about what would have happened had he stayed. They saw first hand it wasn’t working; I think the media are the only ones who think a coach’s record would be the same independent of where they were actually coaching.

          • cliff henny

            reid can coach…he just can gm and coach. wait couple yrs when it’s his players. plus, he might win 11 or 12 games, but a smith isnt going to take them anywhere.

          • Token

            Enough getting FAs. It doesnt work. Thats really the only thing giving me a second of pause about Byrd. Is he the type of guy who will not give a crap after he gets paid.

          • anon

            Given our drafts i’d rather go through FA. We just have to be willing to pay for solid players that fit the system, which i think is more important than big names.

    • George

      Chip already has a determination on what he has at QB. He needs a QB. The guy he drafted still has lingering issues with his shoulder.

      • Token

        Barkley has no shoulder issues lingering. He just never had a NFL caliber arm. All the other GMs in the league knew that. Except for one obviously.

        • cliff henny

          it was never strong, but he was still building it up over summer. scary is, thought he threw harder ball than foles. barkley threw couple nice passes to harbor in pre-season. ah, 4th rdr, give guy another pre-season. if he becomes servicable backup, let’s foles be traded for picks, then it was a quality pick.

          • George

            You expect the Eagles can get more for Foles than Tampa for Freeman or Oakland for Flynn?

          • cliff henny

            ask Geagle…he claims multiple teams offered 2nd plus 5th. see no reason why his stock would be lesser in 6 months. vick played better under kelly than reid. kelly made 4 qbs look great at oregon…hopefully he makes foles shine, gets better offer.

          • George

            you are a skilled poker player. I like how you think.

          • defroe81

            not sure when i ever saw barkley out through foles in the preseason. barkely has no arm what so ever… lol but ok if you say so.

          • cliff henny

            it wasnt often, but i do remember 2 real nice throws with some zip to harbor (of all people). deep crosses,well medium crosses. kind of splitting hairs, both should less than desirable arms.

        • George

          Are you a physical therapist who examined his shoulder? There were reports he is not healed. He may not have a cannon but he has shown velocity to make the throws he needs to make. Chip was comfortable enough after playing him to draft him.

          • Token

            Hey, keep hopes up for Barkley if you want. But its best to move on.

  • jabostick

    I’m not normally the one to advocate for a mid-season trade because I don’t think they often do all that much. With Byrd though… The Eagles have proved (and all but admitted) that they can’t grade Safeties with any accuracy. For the Safeties that are considered ‘sure things’, they won’t spend a high 1st rounder on one. Even if it is a rental, he has to upgrade what we have.

    I’m not sure if it works this way but, couldn’t we offer a 5 or 6 for him that is upgraded to a 3rd if he signs with us in the off-season or something? I get that draft picks are commodities, but if you can’t pick that position accurately anyway, why not spend it?

    The injury is a concern, but that’s what physicals are for.

    Plus, his last name is Byrd. Think of all the fun bloggers/newspapers could have with headlines.

    • Richard Colton

      Eagles add another Byrd to the nest
      Eagles D soars with Byrd
      Byrd’s Birds Burn Bills
      The Byrd is the Word

      get on the cliche train

      • jabostick

        And the trade announcement could be “Bills flip Eagles the Byrd”

    • Token

      Safety is a tough position to find. Theres not many good ones. They missed out in this years draft. They missed out on Earl Thomas.

      If they feel comfortable with Byrd health wise, and Chip knows how he is as a person, why not do it?

      The top safety in the draft this year, Clinton-Dix, just got suspended.

      • Richard Colton

        did he really? ha ha

        • Chris

          took me a minute.

  • Token

    Josh Gordon. Imnot sure hes on the block anymore. Who knows. But the Browns are winning now.

    But if Banner really wants him gone, I say go for it.

    Hes a LEGIT NFL WR. A legit #1. Yes, his past is worrisome, and that year suspension looming if he messes up again is worriesome.

    But, assuming Howie is still here come draft time, you may as well spend a pick on a known commodity. Howie will likely just waste the pick anyway.

    They cant go into next year assuming Maclin is the #2, if they resign him at all. Not that I dont like Maclin, its just not smart.

    But im sure what happens is a team like the Niners or Pats go get him and the rich get richer while the Eagles wait for Howie to screw the pooch.

    • anon

      SF was trying, think price was too high so theyre going to wait. They got a first for t rich, probably want a lot for someone who has actually produced.

      • cliff henny

        sf has like 12 picks(and not many holes once they get IR and AA guys back), so if the price is too high for them, banner is asking for the world

      • Token

        They wont get alot for a guy whose is a mess up away from a one year suspension.

        • JofreyRice

          It seemed like when Banner was here the Eagles were always tough in trades. Asked for a lot, gave up a little. I don’t think it always hurt the club, but sometimes it did. I have no idea how much Banner was actually involved in that, but it did seem like a trend while he was the President.

      • George

        they’re looking for a second in trade. SF had/has interest. Wasn’t Mike Patterson in the same situation. One incident away from a one year suspension after he was pulled over and found with marijuana in his vehicle in Phila? Gibson wouldn’t be a new situation for Kelly or the Eagles.

        • JofreyRice

          Delta Dutch Dalton? Why the new Handle?

    • #7

      Yep I agree with you there. Can’t trust Howie with the picks anymore

  • Adam

    Tim you could only get 2 questions for the mailbag? Start asking in the comments!

    • BlindChow

      The other 200 questions were Foles vs. Vick.

      • #7

        lol yep

  • cliff henny

    qb situation is working out pretty much as i expected. Vick got his 5 games-got hurt, showed kelly what can and cant work with mobile spread qb. now, give foles his time, see what kelly can do with him. i was for vick for 2 reason, first, give kelly knowledge, 2nd, lightening in bottle-what if he threw up 11 or 12 wins. defense sucks too much for that. we know kelly scheme works, now we’ll find out if foles has improved.

  • atlvickfan

    Advanced NFL Stats ranks only 6 NFL offenses higher than the Eagles this year, with everyone’s favorite left-handed scrambler at QB.

    http://regressing.deadspin.com/chart-how-does-your-nfl-team-stack-up-on-offense-and-d-1442405539/

    This is the NFL, not the NBA. There are no “rebuilding years”. The Eagles are in prime position to win the division, and anything can happen in the playoffs (see the 7-9 Seahawks upsetting the Saints a couple of years ago). Giving up this season just to “see what you have” is foolish. Trade for Byrd and make a run.

    • cliff henny

      ask 2011 colts if there’s rebuilding yrs. if you dont have a franchise qb, you are rebuilding. might get 8-10 wins with easy schedule, but not serious super bowl threat. what worse is having pretty good but overpaid vet, like dallas or chicago or SD – f’n rivers came back down after playing us.

      • atlvickfan

        Again, the Eagles have the #7 offense in the league. This isn’t Curtis Painter’s Colts.

        • cliff henny

          yeah, but curtis painter would be an upgrade at safey

    • EaglePete

      Id agree if they had any semblence of a defense. You need defense to win in the playoffs. Yes it still matters esp with the colder weather and a run gm.

  • septa_rida

    I’m not interested in waiting around for the Eagles to chisel a masterpiece from solid granite. I contribute a fairly large chunk of money to the Eagles each summer and want to see wins now; just like last year and the year before. Weak NFC East? Perfect. Get in the playoff and see what you can do. If Mike is healthy and he’s your best chance, play him.

    • Chali

      Agreed! Who knows what could happen in the playoffs. The Giants, although I do recognize that Giants team being better than this current Eagles team, had a lot of luck swing their way i.e. Gronkowski being hurt in the superbowl, 49ers muff punts etc. Sh*t happens sometimes and who knows maybe a string of lucky things happen to us. . . unlikely but who knows, we have a legitament shot in this very weak division which gives you some hope. . small hope. . but hope nonetheless.

      • William

        I agree with you too …Giants @ 9/7, win. Super Bowl going on the road and beat the mighty patriots with Brady wanting revenge. It is too hard to win in this league to throw away a season ….if the Eagles can win this division , they only need 3 wins…. It is a longshot but that is why you play the games

  • #7
    • cliff henny

      update me when he’s running 50 yd windsprints. vick standing around in sweats looking athletic, he’ll be that at 55.

      • #7

        Lmao. Just want to win man. Hope he plays

        • cliff henny

          should win with foles. Glannon sux

          • #7

            That is the hope, but don’t underestimate the Bucs man. That defense should be taken seriously. Glennon is an unknown. I don’t like unknowns

          • cliff henny

            he’s rookie late rd pick. besides brady, and think it was his 2nd yr, has one ever played rookie season and played well? i know, they never played ’13 eagles defense…but com’on. if davis cant confused this kid, might as well tank for pick

          • anon

            Haha i’m more worried about their defense than their offense.

          • #7

            Henny, I’m meaning I’m more nervous about the Buc;s “D”. This is why I love the NFL…did you see Geno destroy the Fal-can’ts last night? You just never know man. A QB can have his “breakout game” against us. I don’t trust our defense and I believe you don’t either. I hope you’re right

          • cliff henny

            and yesterday people wanted rex as our d-coord…giving up 2 4th quarer tds blowing 13 pnt lead. it’s new nfl, not even sure what a good defense is. seattle gave up 34.

          • #7

            I was trying to explain that to my wife last night lol. That Jets d-line though…wow.

            It’s almost like they’re playing basketball out there now. WRs can’t be touched or its a PI. Sucks man

          • EaglePete

            ya, some of those calls were horrendous last night. Im also hating all the PI calls. Let them play, only call it when its blatant like Gruden was saying and I never agree with Gruden. Unfortunately I could see Glennon blowing up the Eagles D also, guy has some upside.

          • aub32

            I like Foles but worry about how he would do against this secondary given our weapons. I honestly think both QBs would have a hard time. I would prefer Vick here just because of the added boost he gives the run game.

          • cliff henny

            vick wins in every catagory for me too, but the one area foles can wipe that all out is redzone effeciency. sure foles will get offense in RZ less (and w/ todays kickers should be inside 30) but if converts better, that’ll impress me.

      • aub32

        hahaha and he will still be faster than half the QBs.

  • Addicted2Mula

    Do yall believe we woudlve lost against the Giants if Vicc never got hurt. Lets be real he got hurt from running. not making a stupid decision. And can we substain a run game with foles under center. Let Vicc finish the year out.

    • Gruvi

      Substain, LOL

  • #7

    I don’t watch college football, but I’ve made it a point to watch Mariota, Johnny Football, Teddy, Boyd and the Hundley kid out of UCLA.

    I’m not blown away by any of them to be honest. Boyd being my least favorite. Just doesn’t look like a natural passer to me and he could be overwhelmed coming in to the league.

    If I had to pick one, it would be Johnny Football. I like the attitude and the flair..natural playmaking ability. Has instincts that you can’t teach. Now can he reined in by great coaching? I don’t know. Someone will take the risk. And his throws look to lack velocity on deep throws.

    TB has some talent for sure, but what pressure has he faced? The guy’s jersey is always clean and his WRs are always wide open so we don’t get to see tight, stick throws under pressure.

    Mariota seems inconsistent to me.

    None of these QBs are “WOW!” to me like a Luck, RG, Rodgers, Manning, Vick..those type of guys.

  • EaglePete

    sorry but dont give me Byrds age as a reason not to get him. 27 leaves many years left of top play. The cupboards are bare in terms of quality safety play so if you can get one via trade/FA then its a good option. Question is, is it worth the risk to wait til hes a FA and try to get him that way w/o giving away anything in return. I can wait on Gordon, hes not worth giving anything away at this point but I wouldnt hate the move.

  • aub32

    I disagree with the “discovery” option at this point and as long as we have a shot to make the playoffs. Winning still means something to players. We hear all the time how bad teams try to bring in players from good teams to instill a winning culture. So wouldn’t it make sense in Chip’s first year to install a winning culture. Now if we were in another division, I may think differently, but we still have 4 games left in this horrid division. We still have the Raiders, Bucs, and Vikings. None of these are guaranteed wins, but they can be won. We are also seeing improvement from players on both sides of the ball. By the end of the season, maybe the drops are gone. Maybe LJ gets it. Maybe Curry starts getting 25+ snaps. In that case the team will still improve and gain confidence. We just saw a team quit on a coach last year. Why set this new one up for the same?

  • Rick H

    I believe the Eagles are using this opportunity (injury to Vick) to see if Foles can (duplicate his perforamce against the Giants) play well against the Bucs and win! They could technically or coyly have Vick as the active backup if things go poorly. That is if Vick is 80% to 100% healthy to play.
    If Foles plays lights out versus Bucs like this past week then he starts against the Cowboys. The Eagles are not going to the Super Bowl so it isn’t critical either way. Playoffs would stun me but I would be happy if they made the playoffs no matter which QB is playing.

  • Tom

    We are in first place. I believe the rest of the season should be about remaining in first place. I don’t care what the Eagles’ record is. First = Playoffs. This isn’t exactly the time to make “discoveries.” Nick Foles can play. He has proven that. The kid has tenacity and decent accuracy.
    That said, is it time for him to win the starting job? If he continues to do well, yes. If he struggles, but the Eagles still manage to win…that’s something to question.