Kelly Leaves the Door Open For Foles

 

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Immediately following the win against the Giants, Chip Kelly said that Michael Vick was his starter when healthy. On Monday, he allowed himself a little wiggle room.


"If someone comes in and puts on an unbelievable performance, you have to take it all into account," said Kelly.

Can Foles win the starting job if he plays well?

"There's always open competition. If Nick goes out there and goes 100-for-100 and throws 27 touchdown passes, then yeah."

There's a carrot dangling in front of Foles' nose, then, as the focus turns towards the Bucs.

Kelly said that Vick has a pulled hamstring and is day-to-day. "We have not made any decision on who our starting quarterback next week," he said. Meanwhile, a league source confirmed an Adam Schefter report that Vick is expected to sit out against the Bucs.

Bottom line, there is a good chance that Foles will be under center when the Eagles play in Tampa on Sunday at 1. That is the site of Foles' only win as a starter. Last December, he went 32-of-51 for 381 yards against the Bucs with two touchdowns, including a strike to Jeremy Maclin as time expired to give the Eagles a 23-21 win. On Sunday, he went 16-of-25 for 197 yards with two TDs in relief of Vick. He seemed to be in-sync with the receivers, even on timing and anticipation throws despite coming in cold.

"We've talked to Nick since we made a decision at quarterback as we've said before, you're a chinstrap away from going in the game," said Kelly. "Nick has prepared himself like he was the starter every single week, and when his opportunity came I think he took advantage of it."

On Sunday, Matt Barkley could be a chinstrap away, to steal Kelly's saying. Is he ready?

"It's hard when you have three quarterbacks to get reps and things like that. Matt does a really good job on the scout squad, and I know Billy [Lazor] takes those guys every day during one of our team periods, whether it's Nick or Matt, takes them through a kind of throwing progression. We've worked Matt out every Sunday before games and I've seen Matt improve. He loves football so he's around here all the time, he studies all the time. Obviously he's not going to have as many reps as you would feel really comfortable in with a guy getting thrown into that situation, not going to have as many reps as Nick had, but I feel comfortable in what Matt can do as a quarterback."

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  • Richard Colton

    looking forward to some Vick vs. Foles comments for a change

    • Explorer51

      Or Foles vs Barkley when the Vick vs Foles folks get tired of saying the same things over and over…

    • EaglePete

      be here all week for your reading pleasure

    • cliff henny

      hope Dutch is well rested.

      • nicksaenz1

        He’s been at it most of the day so far on the wake up call post

        • cliff henny

          lol…the guy just really hates Foles. my favorite part is…he loves Barkley! i see little difference between foles and barkley

          • Dutch

            Well that’s not surprising.

          • nicksaenz1

            It kills me too, because he destroys Foles saying that Foles was saved by Boldin/Dez-like receivers in college, none of whom log meaningful/any snaps in the NFL, yet Barkley and his USC predecessors throw to Biletnikoff finalists almost yearly….. He already responded to you making it seem like you’re the idiot his Einstein.

          • Dutch

            Neither does Foles get meaningful minutes in Philly. Foles played with an awesome set of receivers at Arizona who made him look good. Because the receivers were good in the pac 12 doesn’t mean that talent transfers to the NFL. The NFL isn’t the pac 12.

            Foles looks good compared to Barkley because Barkley is still affected by his shoulder injury. That’s not new news.

          • nicksaenz1

            I’d say it’s just a little harder to get your foot in the door as a QB in the NFL than a receiver. But hey, you’re the coach here…

          • Dutch

            Some people have it and other’s like Foles just doesn’t. He had 7 games to secure the position in 2012 if he were going to get his foot in the door it would have been on tape. Apparently Chip Kelly didn’t think his foot was firmly in the door. Foles and those Arizona Receivers are in the same boat.

            However, Foles has a chance to change the perception this week coming. I doubt the scrip will be written any differently than the same ole disappointment we have come to know in Philly regarding backups.

            But you keep hope alive……. ROFLMAO

          • nicksaenz1

            7 games? That’s it? Ponder and Gabbert get more opportunities than that.

          • Dutch

            If Foles aspires to be like Ponder and Gabbert he should be in the Arena League. Now that’s more his speed.

            Foles is just not ready for the Big Boys. Judging how soft he is Barkley is closer to playing than we all may realize.

          • nicksaenz1

            You completely missed the point. 7 games may not be quite enough evidence if guys like Gabbert and Ponder get seasons worth of opportunities. That said, I don’t even think Gabbert or Ponder aspire to be Gabbert or Ponder.

          • Dutch

            They may not be for you……. I knew when the Eagles wasted a 3rd pick on him it was a mistake. I saw the kid at Arizona. You’re seeing the same things. His receivers bailed him out.

            Foles has not participated in a winning season in 5 years, including last season with the Eagles. You’ve seen in foles all you’re going to get.

            Gabbert and, or Ponder are not going to get any better then what you’re witnessing. it’s a waste of time talking about or watching them play.

          • GoBirds1

            jagov, if Foles is such a tag arm how do explain his to perfect TD strikes. On was 40 yards across the field with perfect arc to the back of the end zone and the other was well timed and anticipated as you can make a fade pass.

          • dusk2k3

            If only we can get Mike Kafka or VInce Young back; Then all of our QB woes would be over.

          • JofreyRice

            Judging how soft Barkley is? Do QB’s soften up, as they get close to being able to play, kinda like an avocado that you can make delicious guacamole with?

          • Dutch

            Sure they do…….QBs, like Kevin Kolb can get so gooey you can throw them on a wall and they’ll stick like guacamole.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Barkley can’t throw the football, it is terribly evident. Sure, he’s a hard worker and studious player, but that won’t add the much needed zip to his intermediate throws

          • cliff henny

            in fairness, Barkley was coming off shoulder issues. the lollipops he was tossing were a concern for me too. i watched a lot of his college games, not a big arm, but better than we’ve seen in him as an Eagle. not overjoyed about pick, but will give barkley another off season.

          • Dutch

            Barkley is damaged goods, still recovering from his shoulder surgery. Foles is throwing as hard as he will ever throw and his velocity still sucks, what is his excuse?

          • cliff henny

            one part i agree with you, i dont see Foles as a quality nfl starter. but, do think he does enough things well to be servicable backup. just curious, do you even think foles should be in the league?

          • Dutch

            He’s a solid emergency backup……he’s serviceable so long as the opposing team doesn’t have to prepare for him.

          • cliff henny

            well, it’s a start. for awhile, pretty sure you thought he was a waste of oxygen

          • Greg M

            Here’s a stat: For 4.5 games, Vick has had (at least) an above average offensive line, the NFL’s leading rushing attack and one of it’s leading playmakers in DeSean Jackson, yet he’s only produced 5 passing TDs and continues to struggle in the red zone.

            Maybe Foles isn’t the answer, but the 33 year old Mike Vick is not. His flawed game as a passer continues to cost us points. His ability to extend plays and do damage on the ground do not make up for the lack of points.

          • Dutch

            The problem is that there’s not another QB on the roster who is capable of doing much better than Vick. So what are you going to do? How many sure touchdowns from the red zone have been dropped in that span?

          • Greg M

            There have been drops, sure, and if a large portion of the blame is to fall on the WRs, that should show up in the next game or two that Foles starts.

            Vick gives us the best chance to have a great game. He’s too inconsistent to deliver solid performances week in and week out.

            I’d give up some of those highlight plays for consistency. I’m not sold on Foles, but I know Mike Vick is not giving me any sort of consistency from the quarterback position.

          • Dutch

            You get no argument from me on consistency. However, don’t expect any consistency from Foles either or you’re setting yourself up for a major disappointment. I’ll take the highlight plays for my entertainment. There can’t be any other expectation from this team.

        • JofreyRice

          ooh, gotta look at that more closely!

          • Richard Colton

            he made up a new word today – accused someone of “yeasting” – can’t believe you missed it.

          • nicksaenz1

            What????

            Maybe he was just adding the yeast to the later to make his beer have alcohol? “In the Delta, we call this here process, ‘yeasting’.”

          • Richard Colton

            Wake-Up Call: DeSean Breaks Back Out
            Just scroll down and look for yourself. I was waiting for you or JR or Rob to say something…nothing. Then other people started using it.

          • theycallmerob

            Sorry, I got to the blog late, was out on a field trip all day. Took the 11th graders down to the harbor, got some lunch, and spent a few hours yeasting over in carroll park.
            What did I miss?

          • nicksaenz1

            Good lord, I READ THAT, TOO! I blame work for not allowing me to concentrate on the more important things in life like 24/7. Glad to see you got some good ones in, though.

          • JofreyRice

            There’s no Commenter Controversy–Dutch has won the competition, hands down. He’s got great downfield inaccuracy, can launch the bomb on logic, deludes on the run, and has one of the quickest releases of misinterpreted facts I’ve seen in a long time.

          • cliff henny

            also, change of subject direction

          • G_WallyHunter

            Don’t forget his field awareness on sarcasm, the one day my sarcasm must have fooled him 4 times in a row, made my week

      • Dutch

        I actually think this is an exceptional test for Foles. He holds his destiny in his hands. He gets to play a defense that is prepared to face him.

        • cliff henny

          i hope he has tony romo type numbers, and sits for rest of the yr. then come feb, trade him and a first for top 10 pick…and pray howie doesnt f up the qb pick.

          • Dutch

            I can see that, if he doesn’t F up, we may get something out of him. But I’m not onboard with Howie and his decisions. Look at the scrap he pulled in out of Free Agency.

            So long as Howie is in the Managers Chair the Eagles are going to be basement dwellers. I am reserved to that point. The Eagles are going to trade places with the Redskins.

          • cliff henny

            see i dont mind the free agency. ’13 is sort of a lost or learning yr. we go 13-3 or 3-13, so what, 50% of teams contracts are up or easily out of at end of yr. i can see why they didnt sign anyone to big long term contracts this off season, the rebuild reload is next spring. plus, FA had to agree to come here (lewis reportedly turned our offer down). why i was for vick, kelly is learning alot with him playing, seeing what works, what he needs to tweek.

          • Dutch

            Kelly is going to need 2 QBs with the same skill set. Can’t have an option offense with two different QBs. it’s going to take 3 years to outfit the defense for a solid 3-4 scheme. All the defensive linemen need changing out.

            This is going to take a little longer than any of you have patience to endure.

            Next time the Eagles compete for a division or conference title, season tickets will have a lot of openings.

          • Brian

            Yeah. Kelly had an awful time running his offense, yesterday, with two quarterbacks that have completely different skill sets. You need a proof reader.

    • G_WallyHunter

      Let’s face it, Foles is way better

  • BrickSquadMonopoly

    I like Foles as a backup in this league and I believe he’s a potential starter. Its just Mike is more dynamic and is the better QB on this team. I do really like the fact that the backup can come in and play well within the system. But I also believe with this receiving core and O line he’s going to get exposed sooner rather than later.

    • Greg M

      Foles has 2 passing TDs in basically 1/2 of action. Vick has 5 in 4.5 games. With all the preseason hype around Vick, who would have thought he’d only have 5 scores through the air at the end of week 5? 1 passing TD a game in this offense is not good enough.

      • anon

        That’s bc we have the best RB in the league…

        • Greg M

          Can’t disagree with that statement — just don’t see how it’s relevant. If anything, you could argue that having the best rushing attack in the league should open things up in the passing game for Vick, yet he can’t seem to take advantage of that, especially in the redzone.

      • Dutch

        Outside of DJax who is the other reliable receiver with a defender in the vicinity? Celek is going to always drop more touchdown passes then he’s able to catch. Cooper is what he is, a shelf receiver playing for an injured Maclin. He’s as reliable in the route as Celek. Ertz has yet to prove he’s a legitimate second round selection. Casey is a blocker and offers not much more.

        However, all this discussion can be put to rest against the Bucs. We shall see.

  • Will

    I like the fact the Eagles can win with either QB, Chip will bring out the best in who ever starts.

  • hillbillybirdsfan

    In Chip we Trust. Of all of the professional coaches in town, he has been here the longest.

  • Kevin

    Both QB’s have their strengths and weaknesses. It will be interesting to see if the short and intermediate routes are now a bigger part of the game plan. As well as some of the packaged plays and stack formations.

    I would still bet that the read option is run a few times, even if Foles keeps it. He may not be the Flash, but if Defenses completely ignore him, it will be a nice 5 to 8 yard pick up, which is fine, although maybe painful to watch.

    • cliff henny

      every time Foles ran in pre-season i said the same thing ‘where’s he going?’…it just doesnt look right. and the first time he ran around edge then last second threw it out wide, that got a serious ‘WTF was that?!’

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        “where’s he going”

        lol

        It was like watching an ungainly giraffe. lol

        • laeagle

          When they wrapped Foles up on that one “run” of his, it looked like he was being snared by a group of big game hunters on safari. Like a confused wildebeest.

          • EaglePete

            hey, as long as he doesnt slide like Hoyer were ok

        • cliff henny

          it’s little unfair for foles. he comes in after vick, anything short of usain bolt running sweeps looks lesser.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            lol. There might be some truth to that.

    • BlindChow

      They totally need to let Foles keep.

      http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/BoogaFrito/FolesSeaofGreen.jpg

      Kind of like Peyton’s bootleg TD run on Sunday. They’ll never know what hit them!

  • Adam

    What I imagine goes on at Birds 24/7 headquarters.

    Tim and/or Sheil sitting at their computers
    *Types the keywords “Michael Vick” and “Nick Foles”. *
    *Hits Post.*
    *Laugh manically for 3 hours as page view, comments go through the roof, money rains down from the ceiling*

    • cliff henny

      not sure the hits go up…seems to be same 8 or 10 people having the same neverending arguement…when the correct answer is neither!

      • jabostick

        It’s true. It really is a pointless argument because, not only are they different but they’re pretty much the opposite of one another. One’s weakness is the other guys strength.

        Then to make it worse, they’re both very up and down so we’re constantly reminded of how good the other one would be when one of them plays poorly.

      • BlindChow

        The people at the Honda place are going to look at the page views and wonder why they aren’t selling more cars this week.

    • theycallmerob

      I think Sheil has 2 accounts, though….he posts as the mod during business hours, and posts under “Dutch” when he’s drinking, or when he sneaks off to the bathroom.

  • #7

    Motivational tactic by Chip and a good one. Foles, here’s your chance to take the job buddy. You have an 0-4 team at your disposal. If Foles plays well, good on him. I want the Eagles to win. Tired of the Vick vs Foles talk to be honest

    • Chali

      Me too. . . I am tired of arguing with irrationality. Just let it be, it is what it is. Some people just argue for the sake of arguing or have other personal vendettas and there are some that genuinely have valid arguements but it’s just getting old and tiresome.

      • BrickSquadMonopoly

        Excuse me, but with no due respect this is far from an irrational argument and im a Vick fan.

  • Andy124

    If Nick goes out there and goes 100-for-100 and throws 27 touchdown passes
    I think that’d be a record or something. Glad he’s setting reasonable expectations.

    • nicksaenz1

      Just an average day for Vick.

      • Richard Colton

        those WOULD have been Vicks’s stats except…(insert random excuse)

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    I’m not really sure that’s a door open. Kelly has already made it clear once he chooses a guy he chooses a guy and barring “100 for 100 and 27 touchdown passes” than Vick is the guy. Kelly is such a smarta$$.

    • Dutch

      If Kelly saw anything of value in Foles, Foles would be starting and it’s doubtful with the 4th round selection he would have drafted Matt Barkley considering the cupboards were bare when it came to defenders.

  • Dutch

    The best chance the Eagles have is to name Vick the starter, have the Bucs prepare for Vick and roll out Foles for the coin toss. If the Bucs employ a strategy specifically for Foles I don’t like his chances against Revis and Goldston.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      ” I don’t like his chances against Revis and Goldston.”

      Yeah. That doesn’t make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. With that said Tampa’s offense is so bad they should keep giving us opportunities to get it done. Kinda like last year.

      • Dutch

        Tampa’s defense is far enough ahead of their offense to give the Eagles a contest considering they have a week to prepare for Foles and eliminating the short routes and stack against the run.

        They will make Foles throw over the top into Revis and Goldston’s area. If the kid withstands this test he may have a little talent. I don’t expect that to be the storyline after seeing him up close, but anything is possible, just not likely.

        • anon

          Tampa D can’t guard against a Pick 6!

  • nicksaenz1

    Just so we’re clear going forward, will receiver drops, receiver inability to get open, overall poor WR play aside from D-Jax, and OL missed assignments be allowable excuses for Foles? I just want to know the scope of acceptable excuses for any of Foles’ miscues since we all know his game is going to be under immense scrutiny from all of us Monday morning QBs.

    • Dutch

      Sure they will. ROFLMAO, they were last year and during this pre Season. Not that it changed his game any. He was the same dismal QB candidate he was in 2012.

      • nicksaenz1

        Correction, poor OL play and no D-Jax or Shady for most his time were the excuses.

        • nicksaenz1

          I feel so f’n honored right now…. I just got a “ROFLMAO” out of Dutch.

          • BrickSquadMonopoly

            I can tell you’re really happy when you’re replying to yourself just to express it. I’m glad everyone is now aware.

        • Dutch

          If that wasn’t good enough for Vick why is that good enough for Foles? Oline or not, this kid doesn’t have it, he had the same Oline in preseason. Hell 25 yard pass completions is a Bomb for Foles…… For the love of God, that’s just not going to cut it at the Varsity Level.

          • nicksaenz1

            It got worse as the season went and more guys dropped.

          • Dutch

            Doesn’t look like that’s going to be the story this week against the Bucs now does it? and the deep ball should be open.

    • Chali

      Funny you mention receiver drops. . . Celek dropped a key pass that was placed right on his chest from Vick and we killed Celek for it. He came through yesterday and Foles is praised. What if he would have dropped it? Interesting all the variables that come into play, but here we are. Tampa Bay should be an easy win for Foles next week, he is a solid QB.

      • Dutch

        Ertz dropped the same ball, on the same route with the exact same placement. Ball hit the kid right in his hands, dropped like a feather off a bird passing over.

      • nicksaenz1

        I think it depends who you talk to when it comes to evaluating. Vick’s had a good season for the most part, in my opinion. If Celek dropped Foles’ pass both would be hearing about it from some section of the fan base, Celek for his continued stone hands, and people in Vick’s corner would have said it needed better placement. It was about as perfectly placed as could be done, however.

        • BrickSquadMonopoly

          Nobody would’ve said that about Foles. You are really reaching.

          • nicksaenz1

            Ye have little faith

        • EaglePete

          I actually think it was a better catch than throw. Although the throw had to be where it was placed it was a heckuva catch to pull that in.

      • anon

        It must be just b/c Foles throws a more catcheable ball. That’s why Foles is better.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Foles had drops in this game. OL missed assignments are on the OL regardless of QB. The only one’s who have trouble acknowledging these things are those who beleive that Vick just throw, run, catch and defend the ball. Oh and block while he’s doing so.

      • nicksaenz1

        OL missed assignments still affect the QB, do they not? ….. I just expect Vick to make throws and, since he can, run when necessary.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          What are you talking about? My comment was simply no one is going to blame Foles for OL miscues. They are on the OL.

          Stop looking for something to complain about. No one has any interest in faulting Foles for things he’s not responsible for.

          • nicksaenz1

            Just checking :)

          • BrickSquadMonopoly

            You sound like you’re 9.

          • Richard Colton

            OL miscues are going to be more glaring with Foles at QB, for the simple fact that Vick can escape when the pocket breaks down. I thought the OTs played well after the first few drives, interior looked like there were some problems.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            They were definitely problems in the interior. I fear it may be sack city on Foles or he will get rid of the ball quicker than he’d like. This line hasn’t been great in pass pro.

          • Richard Colton

            and that’s one reason that I agree with Chip’s call that healthy Vick is the starter as long as we’re in the hunt. seriously, we’re in first place. it ain’t pretty, but i’ll take it.

          • cliff henny

            1st place is 1st place…Reid lasted 14 yrs beating only teams he should. so far, with pretty bad roster, kelly is 2-1 against non 5-0 teams. weak schedule and if trend continues, should be at 8 or 9 wins.

          • Dutch

            I still like the Eagles for 9 wins, and I hope Vick doesn’t return to game 9 and healed properly.

          • Richard Colton

            can 6-10 win the NFC East? we might see that this year. Besides, division games on the road count as 1.5 wins, so we’re back to .500

          • cliff henny

            7 might. havent looked at dallas’ schedule. if eagles split with Dallas, and just beat the really bad teams , go .500 against bad, should get to 8. it’s a pretty easy schedule rest of the way.

          • Dutch

            Not if he’s a master of getting the ball out as claimed on this site. He should not be affected one bit… We shall see.

          • Richard Colton

            I hope not – I’m looking for the O-line to bounce back and get into yeast mode for this game

          • Dutch

            Oline did well sunday. There’s nothing to bounce back from.

          • Richard Colton

            Like I said, the OTs played well after the first few series. The guards got baked for a few interior loaves.

          • Dutch

            Well I’m going to hold him to the same standards and may take my stop watch to the game to check on how long it takes him to get the ball out. ROFLMAO

          • nicksaenz1

            You’re loving the ROFLMAO today

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            LOL. It will only be fair if you come back and report the “unofficial” stats.

          • Andy124

            Whatever. You know he’s totally going to yeast Nick’s snap to throw times.

          • Dutch

            Never that……. no reason to lie…. I want the kid to do well, I doubt he will do as well as is required to impress me. But one never knows…. The Eagles should not lose this game.

    • Andy124

      Don’t forget quality of opposing defense.
      Tampa’s pass defense may well be significantly better than KC’s.

      • nicksaenz1

        We’ll see what the Chippa has up his sleeve for this one.

      • Dutch

        At the very least better than the Giants……

    • Token

      This would be a tough test for either QB. Tampa is as good of a D as KC, or at least really close. I expect to see Chip doing some different things with Foles playing. The read option is just a waste of a second in the pocket.

      • nicksaenz1

        Agreed. I just wanted to get ground rules for the debate.

        • anon

          Foles followers can always rely on the “chemistry w/ receivers” argument.

  • Greg M

    If Nick delivers a couple of red zone scores on Sunday does that change things? I think it should. The ‘magic’ of this offense is lost when you settle for 3 points as frequently as this team has done.

    • cliff henny

      be nice, but then you’ll have to discuss playcalling (if it’s running TD) or if rec’rs were just making plays. to answer your question, no, it won’t change a thing, we’ll still be arguing vick vs foles for 12 more weeks

  • Jim

    Let’s look at Nick Foles second half drives, 1. Starts at our 22,Punt, 2. Starts at our 20, Punt,3. Starts at our 20 Field Goal, 4. Starts at our 36, Punt, 5. Starts at Giants 25 TD, 6. Starts at Giants 38, TD, 7. Giants 49 Punt but we wear running out the clock. So after looking at all of his second half drives he only scored twice when he wasn’t in Giants territory if you add in the nice first half drive and they were both field goals. Now let’s look at Michael Vick. 1. Our 20, Punt. 2. our 20 FG, 3. Our 20 Punt, 4. Our 40 FG, 5. Our 29 TD, 6. Giants 47 FG. So after comparing them both Vick scored 13 points after starting in our own territory where as Nick Foles scored 6. also let’s not forget Foles lost the lead in the second half and then 3 picks really helped him out. Not to mention Mccoy was getting hit in the backfield just about every run with Foles in. And when you have bad receivers other than Desean and no run game like we would have with Foles it is not a recipe for success. To do anything this year we need an explosive QB like Vick who by the way has only thrown 2 picks this year.

    • Jim

      Sorry Foles only scored 3 points when starting in our territory