Game Review: Eagles Offense Vs. Giants

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Below is a position-by-position review of how the Eagles’ offense performed against the Giants after having re-watched the game.

QUARTERBACKS


* Michael Vick started the game, but was pulled with 1:25 left in the second quarter because of a hamstring injury. In the first half, he had an uneven performance, showing inconsistencies as a passer, but making big plays with his legs. Vick finished 6-for-14 through the air. He had Zach Ertz on a corner route in the first, but was off-target. He missed Ertz again on a pass near the sideline where he had all day in the pocket. In the red zone, Vick had Jason Avant open on another corner route, but misfired for an incompletion. Vick did not complete a pass until the second quarter.

* There were obviously good plays too. Vick threw a good ball to DeSean Jackson on the first series, but he dropped it. Vick made a beautiful throw to Ertz for 24 yards and connected with Jackson for a 56-yard bomb, getting a little bit of help from the cornerback, who let the ball go right through his hands.

* Vick was the game's leading rusher with seven carries for 79 yards. The Giants, like other teams the Eagles have faced, played a lot of man coverage. Vick took advantage of that in the first and scrambled for 34 on 3rd-and-20. Chip Kelly called a couple designed sweeps for Vick. On one, he picked up 11. And on another, he netted 14 to set up an Eagles touchdown.

* Nick Foles came in on the final drive of the first half. He too showed some inconsistencies, but played well considering the circumstances. Foles found LeSean McCoy matched up against a linebacker and hit him for a 12-yard gain on 3rd-and-4 in the second. He lofted one to Jackson for 21 yards to set up the field goal before halftime. In the third, Foles made a nice throw to McCoy while rolling to his right for an 11-yard completion on third down. He looked for Jackson deep one-on-one and got a 27-yard pass interference penalty. He did a nice job of stepping up in the pocket and avoiding edge pressure all game long. On one specific play, he found Jason Avant for a 22-yard catch and run. Later, he did the same thing, finding Jackson on a crosser on third down. Foles threw a beautiful ball to Brent Celek for a 25-yard touchdown. The Eagles ran play-action, and Foles' pass traveled 40 yards in the air before it dropped into Celek's hands. Foles also made a perfect throw on the 5-yard touchdown to Jackson.

* There were throws he'd like to have back as well. The biggest one was probably in the third when he had Riley Cooper separating from the cornerback down the left sideline. The Eagles could have had a 31-yard score with a better throw, but ended up settling for a field goal on that drive. Foles had multiple throws where it looked like he and the receiver were not on the same page (keep in mind, they have not been getting a lot of practice reps together). Foles had Avant open on an out pattern in the fourth, but was off-target. He later threw incomplete across his body. Overall, Foles went 16-for-25 for 197 yards and two touchdowns.

* Neither quarterback turned the ball over. The concepts might have been similar, but the offense changed in the first and second halves. With Vick, the Eagles had called runs on 20 of 36 plays, or 55.6 percent of the time. With Foles, they had designed runs on 13 of 40 plays, or 32.5 percent of the time.

* The Giants blitzed Vick on five of 16 pass plays, or 31.3 percent of the time. He went 2-for-5 for 7 yards. They blitzed Foles on nine of 27 dropbacks, or 33.3 percent of the time. He went 7-for-9 for 83 yards.

RUNNING BACKS

* LeSean McCoy had defenders in his face all game long, finishing with 46 yards on 20 carries (2.3 YPC). He was averaging 6.0 YPC in his first four games. With Vick in the game, McCoy had 12 carries for 48 yards. With Foles, he had eight carries for -2 yards. We will be looking into why that was the case later this week.

* Credit McCoy for doing some other things well. He had one of his finest blitz pickups of the year on a 3rd-and-11 in the first. He also caught six balls for 46 yards. On one reception in the red zone, it looked like he slipped and tried to cut it inside. From the TV angles, it appeared he might have been able to pick up a first if he took the play outside. McCoy later had an 11-yard grab near the sideline on 3rd-and-10. It was difficult to see if he got both feet in bounds, but the officials ruled it a catch, and the challenge was upheld.

* Bryce Brown was quiet, managing just 11 yards on five carries. He was stuffed for a 2-yard loss on 3rd-and-1 in the first. Chris Polk had two carries for 3 yards.

* By my count, the Eagles ran the read-option on 16 of 20 run plays with Vick in the game, or 80 percent of the time. Those were instances where the offense clearly left an unblocked defender. Kelly, however, indicated today that the Eagles didn't run a lot of read option, so those plays might have been straight handoffs. We'll clarify later this week. But on those plays, the Eagles picked up 51 yards (3.2 YPC). Vick kept the ball three times and picked up 7 yards on read-option runs. Overall, with Vick in the game, the Eagles had 81 yards on 20 designed run plays (4.1 YPC).

* With Foles in the game, I counted six read-option plays for -1 yards. Foles kept one of those for a 3-yard gain. Overall, with Foles in the game, the Eagles ran the ball 13 times for 14 yards (1.1 YPC). That's not counting the last two kneel-downs.

TIGHT ENDS

* When the quarterbacks threw to the tight ends, the results were positive. Brent Celek had three catches on three targets for 47 yards and a touchdown. He got matched up with the safety in the third and made a nice grab for a 25-yard touchdown.

* Zach Ertz had two catches for 38 yards on three targets. He played his most snaps of the season, and it looked like the Eagles moved him around a little bit more than usual. In the second, he started off in-line, ran a corner route to the sideline and hauled in a 24-yard reception.

* The official gamebook had James Casey down for three snaps. Two of those were the kneel-downs at the end. I didn't catch the third one.

* By my count, the Eagles only used two personnel packages: '11' personnel (1-RB, 1-TE, 3-WR), which is their most popular, 84.2 percent of the time; and '12' personnel (1-RB, 2-TE, 2-WR) 15.8 percent of the time.

WIDE RECEIVERS

* DeSean Jackson had a monster game with seven catches for 132 yards and a touchdown on 12 targets. We seem to say this every week, but there were plays left on the field. That's a sign that Kelly is really doing a good job of getting Jackson open throughout the course of the game. Great concentration by No. 10 on the 56-yard bomb that went right through the cornerback's hands. He also did an excellent job on a low throw from Foles on a shallow crosser, converting a 3rd-and-6 in the third. Jackson ran a great route on the 5-yard touchdown. The Eagles used a bunch look and got him free for a 28-yard catch in the fourth. And he also drew a 27-yard penalty in the third.

* Jackson ran a deep dig and dropped a Vick pass on third down in the first. He couldn't hang on to a nice throw from Foles in the third. But overall, outstanding game. As of this writing, Jackson is third in the NFL with 525 receiving yards.

* Riley Cooper saw his playing time decrease. He had no catches on one target. Cooper had a shot at a 31-yard touchdown, but Foles' throw was off-target.

* Jason Avant had three catches on seven targets for 33 yards. Vick and Foles each missed him once when he was open. Avant had a nice 22-yard catch and run in the third.

* Jeff Maehl played his most snaps of the year, but was not targeted.

OFFENSIVE LINE

* Overall, in pass protection, I thought this was one of the Eagles' best games of the year. The line did a good job up front for both Vick and Foles. Jason Peters kept Jason Pierre-Paul in check all game long and specifically on the 56-yard bomb to Jackson. Didn't notice any real issues for him in pass pro. On the rare occasions where the right defensive end got upfield, there was plenty of space for the QB to step up. Peters was OK in the run game. He let the defensive back slip past him on a 4-yard McCoy run late in the first. He was also called for a false start in the third, but played well overall.

* Decent game overall for Evan Mathis. He got out in front on Vick's 11-yard run in the first. He got to the linebacker on a 9-yard run by McCoy. In pass pro, he held up well for the most part, aside from a few issues. Mathis was beat by a Cullen Jenkins spin move in the third as Foles was forced out of the pocket. Mathis got knocked off-balance (and to the ground) in pass pro in the third. And Jenkins powered through Mathis and Jason Kelce in the third, leading to a Foles sack.

* Not sure what was up with Jason Kelce. He was getting beat by interior linemen all day long. It really seemed like that was the biggest factor in the run game not being effective. At times, he just got flat-out beat physically. And at other times, it looked like Kelce was caught off-guard by what the Giants were doing up front. We're going to revisit this topic later in the week after talking to him. But Mike Patterson went right past Kelce, leading to a 2-yard loss on Vick in the first. Patterson shoved Kelce into the backfield on Polk's second-quarter run that went for no gain. Kelce had trouble with Patterson on McCoy's 1-yard run in the second. And then with Shaun Rogers on a McCoy run that was stuffed for no gain. In the third, Patterson beat Kelce and McCoy was stopped for no gain. Later, it was Rogers again, getting past Kelce and dropping McCoy for a 3-yard loss. Patterson beat Kelce in the third on 3rd-and-2 and dropped McCoy for a 6-yard loss. And Johnathan Hankins got past him before dropping McCoy for a 2-yard loss in the fourth.

* The good for Kelce? He got to the DB on Vick's 11-yard run and did a good job out in front of McCoy on a 12-yard screen. Kelce got the job done on a 3rd-and-3 McCoy carry in the second that picked up 9. And it looked like McCoy might have run right behind him for the 1-yard TD. Overall, either Kelce just had a nightmarish game, or something was up. We'll look into it.

* Overall, I thought this was as good as Todd Herremans has looked all year, specifically in the run game. He exploded off the snap and executed a great double team on McCoy's 17-yard run in the second. He threw the key block on Vick's 14-yard sweep in the second. Herremans drove the LB downfield on McCoy's 9-yard run in the second. In pass pro, there were some issues, but like I said earlier, the line gave the QBs plenty of time for most of the game. Herremans gave up a hit on Vick in the first. He let the safety get by him on a McCoy run that lost 5 yards. And it looked like he thought a blitzer was coming, as he allowed Justin Tuck to slip by and hit Foles. When Lane Johnson left the game for a snap, Herremans played right tackle, and Allen Barbre took over at left guard.

* This was the best Johnson has looked in pass protection all season long. He clearly won the battle against Tuck and the other linemen who set up at left defensive end. I didn't notice Johnson give up a hurry all game long. Mathias Kiwanuka had a sack against him in the third, but that wasn't Johnson's fault. Foles stepped into the sack because of pressure from the other side. Johnson was good against the run also, as is the case most weeks. He was called for a false start in the first, but otherwise, played really well.

* Barbre filled in for one snap at right guard when Johnson left the game and later set up at left tackle for Jason Peters. On a completion to Jackson, Barbre got away with a hold, but recovered. He was called for a false start in the second half.

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  • C-Dub

    With lack of run threat from Foles and lack of WR2 production, why don’t Eagles go after Josh Gordon?

    • Matty Boy

      What would you trade for Josh Gordon? A 2nd round pick was used on him, and he’s shown to be very productive for Cleveland thus far. It’s not a stretch to say he could be a key piece for them. So do you offer a first? Would they even take that? Is Cleveland even actively shopping him? I don’t see Gordon as a potential pickup for the Eagles.

      Foles can run the offense adequately in a reserve role behind Vick. That is his job and he did it well against the Giants. Either he’ll continue that role next week, or play so spectacularly that he is given the starting job going forward. If that happens, how could the offense have any issues?

      • C-Dub

        because the whole offense isn’t just the QB. Eagles still need a legit Red Zone target (which was supposed to be Benn). Foles will throw more than Vick so isn’t it logicle to give him more people to throw to?Not to mention, Shady was and will not be as effective w/out Vick’s run threat. There have been rumors of shopping Gordon just like Richardson. The front office connections are there… I say deal then focus draft on D next year.

        • GEagle

          He’ll NO!!!
          Why Use a 2nd rd pick on a guy who is one bad decision away from a serious suspension, when that second round pick can get us the, Big, strong, explosive WR out of pen State in the 2nd round of the he next draft..

          Niners have had discussions with Cleveland about Gordon,,that’s the recent report

          • Jason Hall

            I think we are going to do great, only if the defense show up and we have no turnovers on offense. I trust Foles can deliver just like I trust Mike Vick but with Foles coming in watch the Bucs bring their safeties in closer to challenge Foles on deep shots. That’s if Mike Vick don’t start because his contract is based on him starting not sitting out. Foles have to throw the deep balls to win and find other receivers because Revis is going against him. Im going Eagles win with a field goal. 13-10

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            I think it’s gonna be a low scorer as well. We need to come out fast…not playing from behind. I don’t trust this D.

        • The Answer

          No thanks, Gordon is too risky to give up a 2nd rd pick. The offense is not the issue. If Maclin comes back, they should be fine at WR…otherwise they’ll pick someone up in the draft or FA. Don’t go trading high picks for an unproven & troubled player at this point in the rebuild.

      • Brandon Boykin, OLB

        Better question: why do people think you can just go after a player? This isn’t Madden. Or fantasy football.

      • nicksaenz1

        He has a 1yr suspension looming. Can’t see teams having offered more than a 4th, 3rd at best.

    • Pennguino

      Avant will catch fire. He averaged 65 yards a game with Foles last year. 133 against TB. Foles only had one game (WAS) with DJ last year also. Give them time. There were two throws where DJ and NF were on different reads. They should clean that up this week.

    • GoBirds1

      Why does everyone think Josh Gordon is available?????

      • anon

        B/c browns shopped him before they started winning. I actually think they were in serious talks with someone but couldn’t get the price they wanted.

        • nicksaenz1

          Hard to believe they’d get what they want with the 1yr suspension looming. But, we all know Banner isn’t the best negotiator.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Hmm…I think we may disagree on some of that line play.

  • theycallmerob

    I think Ertz is getting more and more comfortable running his routes. Though the production isn’t there yet, he was moved all over the line (as Sheil mentioned), and I’m of the opinion that his hands seem to be getting better as well. The linear increase in snap counts suggests the coaches feel the same way.
    Part of his development may have simply been slowed by Kelly and Shurmur teaching him so many routes and so many positions- in line, split, and even the outside WR tree. That, along with his blocking, have been getting better every week. I truly think, by the end of the season, he’ll be the 2nd best receiving option on the team. Would love to see him replace Celek outright next year.

    • nicksaenz1

      I think he will. For every catch Celek made like Sunday’s TD, he drops three or four. Unless Ertz’s blocking is that bad, hard to imagine he doesn’t take over the job from Celek.

  • Bullwinkle

    I liked the way Foles got rid of the ball quickly. He did a good job anticipating the recievers moves and leading them. As one of the announcers said, the passing game looked “more efficient.” I felt more comfortable with Foles playing within the system and making short quick throws. I tend to hold my breath when Vick is holding onto the ball looking to go deeper.

    • GEagle

      Not to mention how much his style of play helped the Oline, how shady will become a weapon in the pass game, how Desean isn’t just a deep threat
      ..
      Giants used a LB to spy Vick..FOles comes in and the Giants have an extra player to blitz and drop into coverage…FOles faced an extra defender blitzing and coverage, and still out classed Vick in the passing game…and he did it when we became one dimensional and passed on every play….impressive showing for a kid, cold off the bench, limited reps…Tampa game for me, is the most exciting game of the year thus far

      • anon

        I don’t think they were spying — if they were he wouldn’t have busted out 80yds rushing.

        • Shark

          There has been a spy on Vick since the day he was drafted. The giant game was no different

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            There was no spy

  • B-West

    That QB sweep play… I’m sure its been around for a while, but the first I saw it was a few weeks ago with Manziel running it against Alabama. Just a few weeks later, Vick is running it and gaining big chunks. Coincidence or not, Idk. But I like how Kelly has no shame in taking plays. Equal opportunity scorer, even if somebody else drew up the play.

    • Jason

      I’ve been running that play for 20 years in Super Tecmo Bowl. QB Eagles #12. TD everytime.

  • GEagle

    Giants tried something new that had success against our run game, and now it’s on film and you can bet we will see it again,,curious to see Chips counter for it down the road.

    giants crashed the DE, making sure he hit the RB with or without the ball, while the LB would follow behind him designated to the QB…also impressive to see Vick still command a spy at his age, and when FOles came in, that LB no longer had to spy, and started blitzing and giving them an extra man in coverage…so not only was FOles a better passer yesterday then Vick..he did it without the run game Vick enjoyed in the first half and he did it facing an extra Blitzer or guy dropping in coverage then Vick did(because they spied Vick)

    Coop played the majority of the snaps this season and has 8 catches, Vick is on pace to get 30 catches out of our number two WR. Just watch how FOles gets production out of coop, ERTZY, Celek this week. What how Desean will once again look like more then just a deep threat who is non existent in bethe RZ…watch how much more production we get out of Shady as a WR in Tampa….much more concerned with a QB that can get production out of our pass catchers, than a QB who can help the second best back in The NFL run the ball.

    This week is a treat for me. Tampa will once again be at the mercy of the “Buc slayer” FOles. They got a taste of the FOles magic last year, and this weekend should be a treat. just watch this young man grow..Kid has shown more Moxy than Romo has in 80 starts lol..

    Prediction: Eagles don’t draft a QB in the first four rounds of the 2014 draft!

    • Jason Hall

      Lets not talk to soon Revis is gonna be on DJ, they gonna bring their safeties up close and challenge Foles to throw deep. Hopefully they can win this game though. But you are right about not drafting a QB though, I think they should wait til 2015 and get that QB from Florida State man he is a beast

    • GoBirds1

      welcome back gayeagle. I like Foles too, but I don’t act like he is next coming of Jonny Unitas or have a crystal ball and already know what he is going to be. Do you always have to come across as a complete blowhard. Speaking of which how is your mancrush Manti doing. The reason the Gints and other teams spy Vick is because he is a threat to make big plays with his legs. Check his production. Citing his age implying he is slow, I guess you did not see him run by DBs like they are standing still and as an Eagles fan you were not aware Vick smoked the 2nd best running back on the league in a 40 yard dash.

    • hawaiieaglesfan

      That is called a scrape play nothing new. San diego ran it against the eagles so did denver. That is how everyone is running againt the 49ers and seahawks.

    • Always Hopeful

      Bro love your zeal. I’m late to the party but I had a question for you: what’s the story behind your spelling of Foles (FOles)? Just curious :-)

  • GEagle

    I don’t want to hear another word about how Vick helps shady in the run game..
    ,.
    AP ran for 2000 yards, playing with Ponder, never once running out of thee read option..

    patriots run a powerful run game, with a worse athlete than FOles at QB, out of the same exact single back shotgun formation that Chip uses..

    it’s laughable to think that Chip can’t get the second best RB in the NFL to produce without Vick and the read option..and since I think more highly of our coach then such nonsense, get the better passer in the game and trust that your coach isn’t an Incompetant fool who can’t get the seconds best back to produce without a read option….because I think people of that oppinion! or who argue about the run game with Vick is neccessary don’t give our coach enough credit…..

    but because Rg3, Cam, Kapernick ran wild in their first year! and pro style FOles in a sinking ship needed more time to develope, people think they know FOles limits lol….how are those 3 QBs looking now that they are being asked to play more of a pro style as they develope? Lol just watch FOles grow!!

    KC and Tampa tried to trade for him at the owners meeting… Reports surfaced last night that Cleveland and other teams also tried to trade for him in the preseason..yet writers and analyst expect me to believe that we are destined to draft a QB and FOles can’t be Chips guy when multiple franchise personel people sure seem to think high of FOles.. You know how darn valuable the extra 2nd and 5th round picks that we could get for FOles would be for a team that plans on trying to win the division in a year that it plans to draft a QB? valuable like GOLD!!! And I’m to believe we turned down THe means to have ammunitation to draft a QB, for a guy that can never be our future under Chip, just so he can play the 3 games that Vick will miss???

    FOles is the future…get used to it writers and fans…

    betcha the Houston Texans wish they had FOles with week…I know Tampa does yet will have to suffer defeat to the young gunner!!!!

    • anon

      How do you think he got to be the second best WR?

    • Explorer51

      I mentioned the sudden appearance of the “Shady can’t run without Vick” meme yesterday…where the heck did that come from? One half of football where McCoy had eight carries that were totally unproductive? If he is as talented as everyone knows, and Foles is the QB, I’m pretty sure that CK will feature play calls and blocking schemes that will take advantage of Shady’s shadiness. It’s not as if McCoy’s success, throughout his entire college and pro career, was based on a spread offense; besides, I’d take the 2011 20 TD McCoy over any alternative.

      • Davis Riley

        That theory will be put to the test this week against the Bucs, All the speculation of what Foles is gets fact checked Sunday. Lets hope he’s a lot better than he was in 2012 and prepared to take on a formidable opponent.

        • EaglePete

          no not really, its just one game and Foles is still young to warrant more looks. It will certainly show more than a half against gmen but its not the end all be all. Im fairly certain we’ll see Vick as the starter some more and even Foles again later in the season.

      • Chali

        You blow the statement out of proportion. All that was said is that Vick *HELPS* Shady get more breakaways. Shady himself alluded to this after the game when asked the difference between having Vick out there than Foles, twice.

    • Kyle Nelson

      Foles a 3rd round gamble can prove he is more valuable than Josh Freemen and, or Matt Flynn who both were cut this week if he has an efficient game this Sunday. Foles will have to be a lot better than he was last season to warrant any real consideration. I don’t see him being part of the Eagles plans moving forward for anything other than the anticipated fire sale soon to come.

    • Chali

      You blow the statement out of proportion. All that was said is that Vick *HELPS* Shady get more breakaways / yardage. Shady himself alluded to this after the game when asked the difference between having Vick out there than Foles, twice. With that said, I am sure Shady doesn’t *NEED* Vick to be out there but has confirmed that it is easier for him to have big gains with Vick out there. Who knows who will run it, Vick or Shady. This comment you made is silly and getting 7 likes is even more silly and shows your obvious intentions.

  • ztom6

    Kelce letting defenders run by him was Foles’s fault, to hear them tell it the last couple of days.

    • anon

      Is it the o-line or does Foles need to get the ball out faster. QBs like Peyton have the ball out in like 2 seconds.

      • ztom6

        I meant in the running game.

  • Pennguino

    Thanks Sheil

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Philly’s love affair with the backup QB continues. SMH.

    • Token

      Mike doesnt want you. Just stop.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Foles doesn’t want you. I don’t think you’re his type.

        • Brian

          Yeah…. he likes big butts and big smiles.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            A lot of men do ;-)

    • Nah__Roots

      Dettmer..Garcia…Kolb…Foles

      average..average…average…QBOTF!!!!

      • knighn

        Detmer and Kolb wish they could be average.

        Garcia was a little better than average, and he was “fiery”.

      • EaglePete

        you can add Vick to the slightly above category and still get excited for his running ability. I mean the natl media still gets a woody for it, ooohh look at his athletic skills, he can really run. Lets make the Eagles/Broncos the game of the week because you know…..those Eagles sure are exciting even though theyve sucked for 5 plus years.

  • anon

    Interesting watching the Jets game. 1) Rex Ryan is a coach, for all that sanchez stuff, their whole team is clicking — maybe we need to start doing some pushups too, 2) also falcons are playing an extra lineman to help pick up blitzes from jets — wonder if we ever considered in order to get our guys more time (just means not playing a TE).

    Rex might just keep his job.

    • Jason Hall

      I was thinking about that too and another you remember about our draft pick Safety Jarrett he was let go last year well look at him now he is making plays. SMH!! We should’ve kept him I hate you Juan Castillo

    • GiveMeABreak

      Need to say that Marty is doing nice things with the “O.” I also noted their practice squad CB making some real nice plays. How can the Jets have a better talent intake group than the Birds?

  • Jason Hall

    Lets talk stats, Vick is 71/132 passing for 1185 yards with 5 TDs and 2 ints added to a 33 rushes for 307 yards and 2 TDs and 1 fumble. Statistically speaking Vick has 1492 total yards (almost 300ypg) 7 TDs and 3 total turnovers. He also is at the helm of one of the most dynamic offenses in all of football. 90% QBR rated 10th

    I think that Vick is actually doing pretty well. You can’t blame Vick for a defense that has no identity and is the Eagles greatest liability. I know haters want to hate him, but they shouldn’t make up stuff about his performance this season, it makes it seem like they don’t know much about football or the NFL. We would’ve been 4-1 if our defense stepped up hopefully they can play this bend but don’t break defense the rest of the season.

    • Bullwinkle

      I don’t hate Vick. My biggest concern is the team should be scoring more. 5 TD passes is 1 game for P. Manning. Vick is an okay QB, but not a great one. Foles might be more effective than Vick, if given time to fully develop his skills.

      • Nah__Roots

        Why do you have to reach for the most extreme example?- “Peyton throws 5 / game!”

        WE ARE NOT THE BRONCOS

        You should not be having such ridiculous expectations for this team. Come back down to Earth.

        • aub32

          Amen. When we have Thomas, Thomas, Welker, and Decker, then you can start expecting that type of production.

        • Bullwinkle

          The back to earth response is that the Eagles should be scoring more points, given the yardage they get each game. They seem to stall out when within or just outside of the red zone. The QB, as the leader, decision maker, and chief ball handler has the most influence on the success of the drive.

      • Kyle Nelson

        Where are you going to get the receivers to catch first downs, no less touch downs in Phila? How many sure touchdowns has Peyton’s receivers dropped this season?

        Sometimes Eagles fans are out of touch with reality.

        • LeClaw

          Vick had one bad game against KC and 4 good games

        • Bullwinkle

          McNabb did pretty well for years with poor to average receivers.

    • EaglePete

      yes we know, you cant blame Vick for anything, hes the teflon QB to some fans as much as the backup QB is a hero to other fans. Hes played decent enough and pretty sure everyones expectations were low prior to season. Vick is still playing the role of the place holder QB so whether you love him or hate him, you can still question the motives for doing that. Win with your best players vs go young and see what you have vs getting some wins as a new head coach vs elevating an average career, pick your choice. We wouldve been 4-1??? gets 7 likes??? ha, dont expect this defense to do much more. Everything is rosey when they beat bad teams, its when they play the real competition that it all comes crumbling down to reality.

      • Joethomas215

        Vick sux, we don’t need a QB who can drive down the field and score 3 points. More importantly we don’t need a 33 year old Qb on a young rebuilding. Foles may suck to but it’s more important to know if he can then to assume he can’t.

      • aub32

        Last year we lost to good teams and bad teams alike. Can fans not enjoy beating bad teams. No one is saying we are SB conteders because we beat the Giants. It’s nice to have a win though, and I think Vick is doing better than even some of the Vick supporters thought he might.

  • Syracuse Eagle Fan

    Three things I think…

    1. Why don’t we trade Casey to someone for a corner if he was so highly coveted by teams this summer? Maybe New England?
    2. With the good backs we have, why not show a few more 2 back sets?
    3. Zach Ertz will have a breakout game during the next three weeks given the opponents.

  • Beavis

    What happened to the spread offense, using three TEs at once, splitting the tackles out wide, etc.? Can we assume the personnel don’t match up well enough to try these out again? It seems the offense was much more creative in the Washington game (in regards to the game-plan).

    • Always Hopeful

      I was thinking this as well. The game plan from the first half of the Washington game took my (our?) breath away.

      I don’t want creativity just for the sake of creativity, but I remember reading comments from people who have “studied” Kelly’s Oregon offense and how he would try different stuff and see how a defense reacts. He’s probably still doing that, but I assume it’s much more subtle ways that what we saw in Washington.

      Your second question might be the answer: personnel match ups. Kelly’s playing the guys he believes have the best chance to “win the day”

      I’ll also note too how there has been a consistent theme of plays being left on the field. Some of it is receivers not making catches but some of that is the QBs missing guys. I’m not sure how that improves with Vick/Foles. Is it practice, practice, practice or we don’t have Peyton Manning so there will be a percentage of plays each game that normal QBs miss?