With Vick Sidelined, Foles Steps Up

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – Michael Vick went grabbing for the back of his leg as he scooted out of bounds following a 13-yard run late in the second quarter. He assured his coaches on the opposite side of the field that he was OK by giving a thumb’s up, and stayed in to finish the drive.

When Jason Pierre-Paul tracked him down and sent him to the turf in the end zone on the following series, though, Chip Kelly recognized that his quarterback was ailing, and sent Nick Foles marching in to replace him.




"The coaches understood that, why have me in the game when I'm not 100 percent when you have a healthy quarterback on the sideline?" said Vick.

Kelly allowed that Vick could have gone back in and played if something happened to Foles, but trusted the second-year signal-caller enough to call his number in the middle of a critically important game. Foles rewarded that confidence, going 16-of-25 for 197 yards and a pair of fourth-quarter touchdown tosses in a 36-21 Eagles win.

"I've said since the day we walked in here that you have to have two quarterbacks," said Kelly. "Felt confident in Nick with Mike not being 100 percent.

"When I sat down with him and Mike and when we told them what was going on in camp [that Vick would be the starter], he just said, 'Hey coach, you can always count on me, I'm going to be there,' and that's what he's done...In this league I think you need two quarterbacks, and we were fortunate that we had Nick today."

Kelly did his best to squash any talks of a quarterback controversy (though there is sure to be plenty of conversation about it outside of the NovaCare walls this week). Asked if Vick is his quarterback when healthy, Kelly firmly responded: "Yes."

It's unknown exactly when Vick will be ready to go. The 33-year-old said after the game that he once sustained a very similar injury, and that he missed a week with it. Kelly was unsure whether Vick would be ready to return to the practice field when the team begins its preparations for the Bucs on Tuesday.

For all the hits that Vick has endured, he was frustrated that the injury came on a play where he wasn't even touched.

"I never question why things happen, I never question God, but I'm just running by myself and running out of bounds. I tried to slow down and I think I just took the wrong step," said Vick, who will get treatment on the hamstring in the morning.

As for his thoughts on Foles' day, Vick said: "Nick looked great. Played a great game. That's what we expect out of Nick, and that's what Nick expects out of himself."

The offense took on a different look with Foles in the game, even if the head coach contended that the game plan wasn't altered. The Eagles were heavily reliant on the ground attack in the first half. They finished the opening quarter with zero passing yards. Vick kept the offense moving with his feet, racking up 79 yards on seven carries. He was 6-of-14 through the air for 105 yards without a touchdown or an interception.

The passing game was the only thing working with Foles in the game. Consider LeSean McCoy's numbers: he had 12 carries for 48 yards and a touchdown with Vick in, and eight carries for minus-two yards with Foles under center.

"It definitely changes the dynamic of the game when he is not out there," said DeSean Jackson of Vick, "but I think as you saw with Foles he does a great job of making a decision and really letting the ball come out early and just giving the receiver an opportunity to just go out there and make a play on the ball.

"I was very impressed. He came in and gave us a shot to win so that's all that really matters."

According to Jason Avant, the Giants played some more zone coverages and gave some two-high safety looks when Foles was in. Giants corner Prince Amukumara went as far as to say that the Eagles' "whole game-plan changed."

Things got dicey in the third quarter. Foles was handed a 16-7 lead when he entered, but found himself down 21-19 after back-to-back Giants touchdowns within a three-minute span. The offense responded with 17 unanswered points to close out the game. The Eagles went into the fourth with a one-point lead thanks to Alex Henery's fifth field goal of the game (the Eagles were 2-of-5 in the red zone Sunday). Foles built the advantage to 29-21 with a pretty 25-yard toss to Brent Celek, who came up with a nice catch. Later, Foles found Jackson from five yards out to ice it.

Foles lost the quarterback competition to Vick this summer and, despite his quality pinch-hitting efforts, will return to the bench when Vick is ready assuming Kelly stays true to his word. What does Foles need to do to claim a full-time gig?

"I'm not even thinking that way," he said. "The first thing that happened when Mike got hurt was I prayed for him. My job was to go in there -- Mike was hurt -- and get a win. I had a great team around me to help me do that. I'm excited to go on the bus and be with the team. But I don't think like that, so I can't answer the question."

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  • Byter

    It’s hard to find fault with an offense that puts up 36 points but I’m still disappointed in the offensive line. Not all of the running plays when Foles came in were read options. Some were straight power. The line still has to win its one on one’s sometimes.

    • morgan c

      Our line is too inconsistent to be called good. Lane Johnson is getting worse every week.
      This is extremely concerning.

      • Token

        Meanwhile Vacarro is making plays.

        At this point hopefully Johnson turns into a solid RT. But its pretty hard to project him as a starting LT right now. A offseason will probably do him some good.

        But this year confirms by belief that taking tackles that high is dumb. You need to take chances on guys that make a difference. The “safe” pick of a lineman isnt so safe anymore anyway. .

        • Maggie

          I believe SEVERAL teams took O linemen in the first round, because GOOD O linemen are hard to find. In spite of some on these boards, who claim to know everything and dismiss both the offensive line and running backs as unimportant, they are in reality the engine that drives the offense.

          • Token

            Thats a cliche people like to believe. Theres plenty of good lineman that arent top 5 picks. Fan favorite Peters was a TE.

            The line is a spot you make sure you have a good coach at the position, and spot talent in the middle rounds to develop. Its a waste to use a top 5 on a OL.

          • Vick Must Go

            I would think success rate of any position would go up in the 1st round, line vs. otherwise. For that reason, I’m a supporter of taking a lineman in the 1st round simply because of their longevity. I’m really not a 1st round RB fan because they only last for 5-6 years.

        • Loke1988

          Kelly, I mean Howie, I mean Kelly….HAD to nail that first pick with an immediate producer. So far they have failed.

          • Token

            The scary thing is Dion Jordan was their first choice and then they panicked when he got picked. Not a good sign if Jordan was at the top of their board.

          • Loke1988

            Not a good sign if they had to panic when there was, I don’t know, all but 3 guys available in the entire frigging country. This front office continues to be a joke.

          • theycallmerob

            You and token are too cute. Hindsight police. Enjoy the win moron

          • Loke1988

            Hey look it’s TheyCallMeAhole! Ot at least I do.

          • Loke1988

            Oh and by the way Kelce sucks too. As I recall he was one of the guys that approached sign man outside Novacare for publicly expressing his own opinion. Shows what kind of homer you are too.

          • Damien

            One bad game and he sucks? Just quit being fans… This is why the sports world hates us…

          • Loke1988

            Did you read my whole post? And he hasn’t been playing well either BTW. As far as Philly Fans rep, well that is mostly due to the ignorant behavior of those who truly waste their time being “fanatical” about this team. The kind that go to fisticuffs at the drop of a hat. The kind that think it was cool to throw bottles at people back in the 700 level and hang their dongs in the sink to pee in front of 10 year old kids (I still can’t shake that image). Those type of A holes are all around the area. Me thinks that’s slightly more of a problem than guys like me who don’t like punks like Kelce telling me to shut my mouth as a fan. I was going to games long before he was even born so he should STFU and hit somebody.

    • JofreyRice

      Oh man, Jason Kelce had a horrible game. I saw him get totally destroyed by Shaun Rogers, Cullen Jenkins and Mike Patterson. Just didn’t have any anchor against any one of those guys. I wonder how forthcoming he’ll be about why he blew this week.

      • Token

        Yea they were taking turns blowing him up. Didnt look like Todd was fairing too well again.

      • Vick Must Go

        Yeah, I thought I saw that too. Will be interesting to see on Tim/Sheil’s review.

  • Dom

    Let the foles buffoonery begin …it’s gonna sell a lot of advertisement for the media

    • morgan c

      buffoonery? like playing a guy who actually can read a defense correctly and make competent decisions. malarkey i say! haha, you’re funny man.

      • Chris

        The bottom line is that both QB’s can operate this Offense as we saw in the preseason however if our defense stays at a 31st ranking it wont matter period. Vick Gives Kelly a true opportunity to see how his Oregon system translates in the pros (by the way Oregon is 5-0 this year) and by doing that could drastically impact the upcoming draft (do we go after a read option QB, or a pocket passer) If Vick is successful then Kelly’s system is a success and we change the league if not well then we run a traditional offense and see if Foles is the answer.

        • Loke1988

          Last time I checked traditional pocket passers were the ones hoisting Lombardis. Wake me up when the next guy who can’t kill you from the pocket does the same.

          • Vick Must Go

            Huzaah!!! Okay, let’s find a bar so Loke, Token, and I can meet up and Vick bash. I’ll buy the first round.

          • Loke1988

            Anytime! I’m in Philly quite frequently.

          • Maggie

            Apparently the facts cannot be repeated often enough. More than 3/4 of the hard hits on Vick ARE IN THE POCKET!!!

          • Loke1988

            Uh what?

          • Vick Must Go

            Again, Maggie… you totally missed the point. Loke was saying that a QB must be a good passer in pocket. He never mentioned hits. Never once… But somehow you are making that argument.

            Vick is not a good passer. Go ahead, try to argue otherwise. He was bottom 2 in passing percentage. Don’t give me WR or line excuses because Foles played with those same players.

          • Kev_H

            Cuz he holds the ball too long. As Chip Kelly says, sacks are the QBs fault. Jeff George sacked relentlessly on every team. Peyton Manning rarely gets touched no matter who is blocking.

          • Loke1988

            Dont tell Vick that! God forbid he gets all in a tissy.

    • Bullwinkle

      I can’t understand why comparisons of Vick and Foles don’t consider the fact that this is Michael’s 11th pro season. He has played in over 120 games. Foles has played in about 9 games in a season and a half. Michael has reached his max potential. Foles has not.

    • Loke1988

      Replace “Foles” in your sentence with “Dom” and your statement makes a heck of a lot more sense.

      • Dom

        Go burn a cross son

        • Loke1988

          That’s about as stupid as your original statement…son

        • Loke1988

          Ah so your implying I am a racist KKK member now? That all you got in response to a witty post? Pathetic, I hope your not really Italian as your an insult to my peeps if that the case. I’m guessing your more of a wanna be in more ways than one. Get my drift?

  • Pennguino

    It was a good performance from the offense. Hew high in 36 points. Defense set a new low with 21 points. ST chipped in with 5 FGs. Great “Team” win.

  • morgan c

    I have been careful to reserve judgment about the QB situation until now. Full disclosure: last year and in the off-season, I, like a lot of fans and readers of this blog, was behind going with Foles as Vick’s play the last two years was just too terrible. However, when Chip came in, and from all the pre-season games and Vick hype, I was back on board. I never expected him to go back to a Pro Bowl caliber QB, but I figured it was possible that he’d improve dramatically upon the last two years, and prove to be the right guy for Kelly’s system, at least for this year.

    He was good in the first two games, and atrocious against KC, mediocre against Denver, and terrible in the first half today. He made one big throw to DJax that should have been picked off. He had 0 completions in the first quarter, and there were multiple times he just held the ball too long and didn’t make the easy simple plays that were there. That last point is the consistent theme with him, and it just cannot be allowed to continue. I’m sure Sheil will point to some All22 showing this, but anyone who watched the game knows what I’m talking about. McCoy or a TE would be wide open 5 yards from the line of scrimmage, and he just hangs on hoping for something better that rarely materialized. Yes, he is a great runner and made some big plays today, but at the end of the day, that’s what he is: a running threat who makes more plays with his legs than he can with his arm and mind.

    Foles missed some throws, and is not as dynamic as Vick, but he is a more functionally proficient quarterback already. The offense isn’t as wildly inconsistent, and doesn’t bog down for quarters at a time, the way it does with Vick. If he keeps the ball just once or twice, even he can pick up 4 or 5 yards if defenders sell out to stop McCoy. No, he isn’t a threat, but with the occasional keep, and perhaps mixing in some more traditional hand-offs, I believe we will in the end be a more consistent offense. The point is, the time has come. It would be easier to say this if it wasn’t clear that we will still have a mathematical shot at the playoffs into December due to the weakness of our division, but I honestly believe that even still, Foles gives us a better chance to win now. I don’t hate Vick or anything, he was a great competitor. But he’s simply not a good NFL quarterback, and he holds the team back as much as he helps them. Time to see what Nick has, for real.

    The problem, of course, is that for some inexplicable reason, Vick still holds this mystique (see: Chip Kelly putting him back in the game, totally unnecessarily, after he was injured when it was clear he was not going to help the team). Can we please stop respecting this guy like he is Manning or Brady? How quickly we forget how close this competition was. Kelly will go back to Vick, the same way Billy Davis will go back to our stupid 3-4, even though we turned the game around, when we went 4 down lineman with Curry, Cole, Graham, and Cox in the fourth… alas.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      lol.

      U haven’t reserved any sort of judgement. You’ve been on Foles bandwagon since forever. Please. And 20 points in a half is all you needed to get revved up again. lol/smh

      • morgan c

        Go find a comment I’ve made since OTAs where I was critical of any possibility even of a decision to go with Vick. I said myself, I was pro-Foles last year, but I’m an Eagles fan first and foremost and was totally behind the decision to go with Mike. He was the slightly better QB in pre-season and deserved it. And he was great to start the year.
        And now, he is simply not playing well.
        That’s just a fact man.

      • Brian

        All you’ve done today is defend Vick. Why? Vick deserves some criticism for how he’s played the last couple games. Foles or not, Vick’s got to step it up.

        • Loke1988

          See post above.

      • Loke1988

        Morgan Id like u to meet Vicks lover BB&AS. BB&AS meet Morgan.

    • Maggie

      Stop with the “Vick holds the ball too long” crap. I timed Foles a couple of times. EVERY quarterback holds the ball when waiting for receivers to get into position. EVERY quarterback throws the ball away a few times every game. Including every “elite” quarterback. After they ‘hold the ball too long”. Foles played well and his receivers actually caught and held onto the ball. Great. Many members of the defense played well, and Boykin had some really ticky-tacky penalties called. The O-line cannot seems to keep it together for an entire game, no matter who is quarterbacking. But lack of really good O linemen is a league-wide problem. Like safeties. Make some attempt to see past the end of your tunnel, okay?

      • Vick Must Go

        Maggie, can’t argue with facts. And the facts are that Vick was tied for longest in the league in regards to time from snap to release going into this game. He does hold on the ball… for eternity.

      • Loke1988

        You are really showing your Vick loving hurt feelings tonight Maggie. you and Big Butt should really go drown your sorrows somewhere.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        Foles did hold onto the ball too long. For the same reasons Vick has been holding onto the ball too long lately…WR can’t get open. Foles is also not a scrambler and doesn’t run the ball so those aspects aren’t factored into his time or release stat.

        But hey he put up 20 points in little more than a half off of 3 interceptions. Let’s sit the starter. lol

        • Vick Must Go

          Vick needing to sit has NOTHING to do with what Foles has done. It has EVERYTHING to do with what Vick has done. Namely, he has been bottom 3-5 QB in the league for the last 2.5 years. No other team in the league wants him as a starter.

          When Vick runs, time isn’t counted. Only when he throws. If we counted snap to decision to run time in for Vick, his hold time would be even longer than it is.

          Foles had open WR all day. Did you see him fitting it into tight windows? No, WR were open all day for Foles. Maybe it is because Foles is an NFL QB and Vick is an NFL RB.

          Vick = Tebow. Maybe a slightly better version of Tebow…

        • morgan c

          Ya, let’s sit him. He is 1-3 this year, has regressed in each week to the point where he is playing like he did the last two seasons (which was terrible). Second worst completion percentage in NFL. Look it up bro. Dude cannot complete passes. His YPA is high because that is a stat that ONLY LOOKS AT COMPLETED PASSES. So it’s great he can complete a 20 yard pass downfield; what isn’t great is going 0 for 4 before that…

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            The way you consistently talk out of your @ss is amazing. I mean your work so hard to make facts contort to your worldview. Is very impressive and looks to be painful.

  • morgan c

    DJax says it himself… “but I think as you saw with Foles he does a great job of making a decision and really letting the ball come out early and just giving the receiver an opportunity to just go out there and make a play on the ball.”

    One guy gets rid of the ball and makes the right decisions… it’s really that simple. Yes, Vick can run, but he can’t throw. I’d rather have a guy that can throw and take what the defense gives you, than a guy who can only run when things break down.

    • Vick Must Go

      YES!!!

    • BleedGreenJames

      Very true, both of Foles TD passes were far more impressive than any I’ve seen Vick throw in awhile. I’m no prisoner of the moment either, Vick has steadily regressed as a passer since 2010. Throws with very little anticipation or faith in his WRs, and often when they do break open, he misses them or throws it in a spot that ruins any chance for yards after the catch.

      One thing I never understood with Andy, with how masterfully he developed QBs, why did he waste so much time trying to turn erratic scramblers like McNabb and Vick into pocket passers instead of going and getting a poised, smart, accurate guy that wins games with his head and arm. Probably would have saved his job and perhaps captured the Eagles a Super Bowl.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        So you’ve never seen Vick throw that type of ball Nick threw to Celek?

        Really?

        • Vick Must Go

          Big Butt, I’ll help you with reading… Bleed green said, “In awhile.” The websters dictionary would define this as “not recently” but it certainly isn’t synonymous with “never.” So you think Vick hasn’t regressed as a passer since 2010? Let’s hear your argument on that…

          The only logical argument that can be made against Vick regressing as a passer is that he was never that good and it simply took a few games in 2010 for defenses to figure him out.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            So in “awhile” means the KC game and that damn awesome throw to Avant as he was getting clobbered?

            Or that great pass to Celek last game that he dropped.

            I see. We just have a diff definition of “awhile.”

          • aub32

            HAHAHA it’s funny how short some of these fans memories are. A while to some of them means they can’t remember anything before the backup QB made a good play.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Hey, I was just curious. He gave me the definition of “awhile” and still seemed to be operating under another meaning.

        • BleedGreenJames

          Did I say never? Oh, I didn’t? That’s right, I didn’t say never. Great job there.

          And before people think I’m clamoring for Foles to start, calm yourselves, I’m well aware of the difference between starting and relieving. It’s obvious Vick is the best play for the franchise (which says A LOT about the QBs we have…) He was in a quarterback competition against a 24 year old while being on a 1 year “prove it deal”. If Foles would have been even close to Vick in competition for the job, they would have gone with him versus a 33 year old that is very unlikely to be available for all 16 games, and that didn’t happen. I’m no Vick fan nor hater. I just have a desire for more consistent passing from whoever is starting.

          Take what you will from it, but Foles threw 2 RZ TDs yesterday, Vick has thrown one in 2013. Again, not calling for Foles to start, I just want to see improvement from Vick, who is the team’s QB.

          • damrvrhunter

            A great post, BGJ!

    • KimbaFuzz

      Interesting that even with your assessment of DJax’s comments, DJax was THE #1 guy saying Vick should start. Interesting….

      • Vick Must Go

        That is a non-starter Kimba. Show me any player anywhere that says that the starting QB shouldn’t be starting . Did they say that in Tampa? Are they saying that in Minnesota? Are they saying that in Jacksonville? Players simply don’t say that kind of stuff to the media. So a pointless retort on your part.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      lol.

      – Vick is what like 9 and some change in YPA..(2nd to Manning) yeah…he can’t throw the ball.
      – Foles was holding onto the ball too long quite a bit. Also a product of our WR not being open.
      – Foles was also effectively shut down in the third – let’s not act like 3 interceptions for short field didn’t have a lot to do with his success today.

      Foles played a great game in relief. I’m glad he’s our backup.

      • Vick Must Go

        Foles 3rd quarter was FAR FAR FAR more productive than Vick’s 1st quarter. And oh, by the way… Vick started with the ball in the 1st. NY started with the ball in the 3rd.

        Great, he has a high YPA. Whoopie. 2nd lowest completion percentage in the league before today.

        Funny, WRs looked open when Foles threw to them. Also funny, better completion percentage. Maybe Foles can anticipate when receivers are open, throw receivers open, read defenses, care for dogs, etc.

      • Kev_H

        Kinda sad. Nick Foles has only played in a few games and has shown promise. His stats are off the charts coming in cold this year so far. I expect QBs to hold it long in their first 12 or so games and to make some mistakes. Peyton Manning certainly did as has just about everyone else. The thing is, that’s natural. He’ll get better with more reps. If anything, Vick will continue to get worse as he ages and gets banged up running around. If he stays the same, they have a ceiling of about 10 wins anyway with the likelihood of 5-7 based on recent performance.

      • Chali

        Very well said BBAAS.

      • defroe81

        only thing i can say is short field or not we did better in the redzone with foles but guess what this was a performance against the sorry 0-4 giants now 0-5 so we cant take to much from it. other than the chiefs game vick has played well. i support either qb but i wont cut down foles performance i’m pretty sure before half time he went the field for an alex henery field goal.

  • dislikedisqus

    Of the QBs in his draft class, I think Nick had the best day statistically yesterday.

  • VM

    Give Vick a break people !!! This game was won by the Eagles defense.
    Foles played good, but the Eagles are still better off with Vick. We don’t have a good receiving corps, and so many times there is not much you can expect any QB to do when opposing defenses are playing their A game. When Foles came in the Giants defense took a little bit gas of the pedal. They changed coverage. Our receivers got a little more open and played much better in 2nd half. That TD catch by Celek was pretty good, but on any given day he would have dropped it. I am not taking anything away from Foles or Celek, but when you are comparing two QBs, you need to do it apple for apples.
    And the best thing the Eagles fans can do for their team is to leave the Vick vs. Nick debate for the off season. It is just too much of a distraction.

    • Billy

      They did change defenses. They were dropping more people into coverage and he still completed more passes. Dope.

    • Vick Must Go

      VM, you are blinded by your love for Vick. You want to talk Apples for Apples? Last I checked, both Vick and Foles played against the same defense today, with the same receiving corps, with the same offensive line. One QB was successful, one was not. I don’t think either Foles or Vick is very good overall. But this is the closest you will ever see to an Apples to Apples comparison. And Foles won… buy a LOT!

      • Chali

        Are you serious?? How can you equate VM’s post towards Vick Love… god it’s so obvious the bias some people have towards Vick… last week everyone was bashing Celek when Vick threw a laser dead in his chest and he dropped it… now he caught Foles pass and Foles is praised… lmao… I knew all the hatred would come out after today.. you guys were salivating at the mouth waiting to get on here and post. Foles may play a weak Tampa Bay team next week and probably perform well against them and everyone will be ready to crown him. Our defense came through against a Giants team waiting to revert back to their bad defense and turnovers and Foles capitalized. Gotta love irrationality. Honestly, I dont think either QB is our future nor will get it done for us but I do know Vick is best option.. slightly better than Foles.

        • Vick Must Go

          Chali… if you think that Michael Vick is a better than average quarterback after watching the last 2.5 years of him playing, then you are irrational. Name 10 QBs in the league that you think have a worse chance of taking their team to the superbowl now or in the future. I can say Gabbert, Ponder, and Carson Palmer are the only 3. I would counter that Glennon, Manuel, Smith, Pryor, etc all have the potential to improve.

          Vick is a bottom 5 QB in this league. He was before today, he will be after today. He was after the win with Washington. Today is simply nothing more than fuel to the fire. But the fire was already burning strong before today’s game.

          • aub32

            How can you say that guy with potential to improve are better than Vick right now. This is so irrational. That’s like saying that you would rather put the top prospect in HS as your starting QB because he has limitless “potential”. Right now Vick is playing better than Eli, RG3, Freeman/Glennon, Newton, Palmer, Bradford, Ponder, Geno, Manuel, Schaub, Gabbert/Henne, Pryor. Some of these players might improve, but they might not. Look at Gabbert, Sanchez, and Ponder. At one point people thought they may improve as well. You can’t count on that.

    • Loke1988

      Vick sucks and starting him is a complete waste of time.

      • Vick Must Go

        Loke, YES!!!

  • Devilock

    Remember that I said this before the season started “Vick is a quick strike guy that can’t control the tempo…Foles is…” that was and will always be my ONLY reason I’d start Foles

  • therealpistolp

    Really impressed with Foles!! Dude stepped in and played great.. TD throws were impressive!! Beautiful throws on both.. Defense is still shaky.. 1 sack vs that line?? But turnovers make everything better.. Desean showing some nuts this season too… Never thought I would see him making plays over the middle and in traffic… Go eagles!! 1st place right now

  • KimbaFuzz

    I hate what the alleged QB controversy brings out amongst the fans. We can’t even just celebrate that we WON and are first place in the division. Sigh.

  • Weapon Y

    I was very impressed by Foles today. He showed tremendous touch on his passes and very good accuracy. There were a few mistakes like getting sacked when he should have thrown the ball away, but all in all a good game. The one thing that concerns me is the absence of the running game. Today, it was bad when Vick was QB, and non-existent with Foles. Because it failed under each QB, I’m inclined to say that something other than the QB was primarily responsible. In all likelihood, something went wrong with the offensive line today. I do think Chip needs to be more willing to let Foles try to pick up 3-4 yards on read option runs. As long as he can pick up that many yards, the defense must honor him as a threat. It certainly isn’t a flashy threat, but it’s enough to consistently get first downs if ignored. That needs to be worked on this week if Chip expects Foles to start against Tampa.

    • Vick Must Go

      Well stated Weapon. In regards to the run game, I think the answer is the Giants changed their defensive plan and basically dared Foles to beat them. “We’ll stop the run… now show us you can beat us with your arm.” And Foles did beat them with his arm. If defenses keep doing this, and if Foles keeps beating them… then defenses will have no option but to take some focus off the run. Thus, the run game will improve.

      • ztom6

        actually if you read the article, the Giants played played more two high safety than one high safety with Foles in the game. So does that mean they were more concerned about the pass with Foles in there and still got beat? I need to watch the game again.

        • Vick Must Go

          I’m not a football genius by any means, but I thought playing zone was easier for a D against the run. 2 high safety is more zone… but someone else likely has more knowledge than me on this one.

          But… if the Giants were more concerned about the pass with Foles… that certainly says something.

          • ztom6

            cover one means there is an extra safety in the box or there is a 5 man rush. cover 2 is safer against the pass.

          • Vick Must Go

            Yeah, but I thought zone overall (not just safeties, LB, corners, etc) was better against the run. If a defender is turning and running with a receiver, they can’t see if the ball is being run.

        • Loke1988

          Being that the Giants are a quality organization I’m pretty confident they realized Foles was a bigger threat throwing the ball.

      • Loke1988

        Fooseball 101

  • aub32

    One thing that I have to see anyone mention is Foles average starting field position. When the second half began he looked lost when trying to drive the whole field. Then he had three straight drives off turnovers and made them count. That’s great, but lets keep things in context.

    • Vick Must Go

      What about when he drove the length of the field before half. Vick 5/14 for 100 yards against the #32 defense in the league. Lets keep that in context. In nearly identical playing time, Foles doubled the yardage, had a better completion percentage, and had 2 more timeouts. If his fields were so short all game… how did he double Vicks passing yards?

      • Vick Must Go

        Typo… 2 more touchdowns, not timeouts.

      • Maggie

        Saying Vick must go when Foles played quite well in ONE game is like the media saying Chip Kelly will go back to university football after losing THREE games. Both are stupid.

        • Andy124

          Sample size is the most legitimate argument that can be made here.

        • Vick Must Go

          Maggie, put simply, you are stupid. I’m not saying Vick must go because of what Foles did today. I’m saying Vick must go because he has been consisently a bottom 3-5 QB in this league for the last 2.5 years. Have you been watching the Eagles the last three seasons? Shoot, since week 14ish in 2010 to now?

          Vick must go because Vick is terrible, has been terrible, and will continue to be terrible until he is no longer playing football. 2010 Vick does not exist.

          • Maggie

            Last year? The year before? Why do you insist on bringing Marty and Andy into your argument? This is this year.

          • Token

            But, then this year he is 1-3 and injured.

            Maybe if you, Big Butt and #7 can get together and make a list of things its ok to bring up related to Vick that would make it easier on all of us.

          • Loke1988

            Can we all go to the same bar and sit across from each other?

          • aub32

            So the losses are solely on him? Just because he losses doesn’t mean he’s been bad. Through 5 games he’s leading the #2 offense in the league. Yet it would be too hard for you to credit Vick with having anything to do with that huh.

          • Vick Must Go

            Okay, Maggie, he is 1-3 this year and was 5/14 for 100 yards before he hurt himself against the #32 ranked D in the league. Argue that.

        • Loke1988

          One game? Out of the 9 or so Foles has started he only played well once? Are you and Big But both in the same Vick fan club?

        • Token

          Again, 4-10 over the last two years. Why do people act like things with Vick are isolated incidents? His history tell you what his play will be like. And, we have a injury….again.

    • Loke1988

      Drove the length of the field on the fist FG scoring drive. What game were you watching? When was the last time Vick threw back to back TD’s with that kind of touch where only the receiver could make the play? Ill give you a hint. The first of Nevuary!! Shaking my head at you guys and your blind love for Vick…

      • Vick Must Go

        Loke, YES!!!

      • aub32

        It’s not blind love for Vick. You just hate the guy so much you can’t see the truth. He got 3 before the half. That’s great, but since when did we ever have a problem scoring 3 points. I’m pretty sure we have been getting into FG position consistently all year. Though because Foles did it, he’s amazing. Vick has thrown several potential TDs with touch only to have them dropped. Is it really a sign that Foles is better than Vick because Celeck decided to actually catch the ball for a change? You claim I have blind love for Vick, but I didn’t even mention in my post. I was being realistic about what we saw from Foles, but many of you can’t separate the two guys.

        • Loke1988

          It’s true I very much dislike Vick due to his past, his manner os speaking and mostly his play. But I wouldn’t say it clouds my judgement. I’ve pointed out the reasons many times (under a few different screen names too BTW) and many others have so done far more eloquently than I ever could.

          And you are the one that brought up the field position that Foles had. VMG and I were simply correcting your oversight. And if you think Vick has thrown anything resembling the TD passes to Jackson and Celek well then you just flat out need to put the pipe down. I mean when was the last time Vick and Jackson connected on a fade TD with countless tries???? How many chances did Foles need before he accomplished that task? I would argue you are far from realistic about Foles’s performance which by default makes you biased toward Vick. Perhaps “lover” is a tad too strong a word.

  • JofreyRice

    I thought Foles played pretty well. The zip on some of the throws he made kind of surprised me. It was also nice to see some loft on the ball to let guys run underneath it and make plays.

    That being said, Vick won this job, and hasn’t lost it yet. If you’re Chip Kelly, you brought the guy back, opened up the QB competition, and named him the starter after he walked away with it. It’s not fair, or consistent, to bench him now. I’d like to see a little more accuracy, but the receivers, and the lack of concepts to beat man coverage did him no favors last week.

    • Token

      The TD pass to Desean, heck, both TD passes are what Vick needs to do more of when he gets back. Desean actually said something about it postgame.

      You gotta throw your WR open sometimes. Let them go back a play.

      The play call fade to 5’9 Jackson seemed kinda screwy, but thats the throw you make there. He didnt look open, but you put it in a spot where he can go get it. Hes got the advantage over the defender in that situation. Even as a little person.
      Still no tempo today. Guess that has been phased out. Too many bad plays that Shady makes into good plays. When Polk or Brown are in you get a glimpse of what the offense would be without Shady.

      • Loke1988

        Foles threw the ball several times today BEFORE the receiver came open. That is how you play the game.

      • Loke1988

        And Token, if Vick could make those types of plays I’m pretty sure we’d a seen it by now after 10 plus years in the league.

        • Token

          O trust me, I hear ya.

    • Loke1988

      Pretty well? Walked away with it? Not fair??? Did they make new “concepts” when Foles came in? Please…Credibility shot with me.

      • JofreyRice

        Ok, I’ll keep that in mind.

        • Loke1988

          You do that Howie.

      • Jonathan R. Henry

        No, they didn’t make new concepts. They did make some adjustments even with Vick in the game with having Desean do some more underneath stuff. But Foles held onto the ball quite a while too because receivers weren’t getting open. He did do an excellent job working with what he had. The coaches had some good play calls as well in the red zone on the throws to Celek and Jackson.

    • jon h

      You’re right, but if Foles comes out and wins next week (and the week after), how do you then go ahead and bench him? You shouldn’t lose your spot because you get hurt, but I’d rather go with the hot hand and ride that for as long as possible. Foles gets rid of the ball and after watching the game yesterday, it’s clear that he knows where the receivers are supposed to be. He doesn’t wait for their break, he throws is before that and perhaps that’s why he was completing passes and the receivers were open (even though they maybe really weren’t getting separation.

      • JofreyRice

        I think a lot of it will be behind the scenes as well. Is Vick making Kelly crazy with holding onto the ball? Does Kelly have big problems with his play?

        From the comments so far, it’s seemed like Kelly has been pretty supportive of Mike, in terms of him not having protection, being hamstrung with penalties, etc. Now, even for a somewhat straight shooter like Kelly, I think you’d be very naive to think some amount of coachspeak wasn’t happening–he does have a degree in Psychology, after all–but to what degree?

        A large component of my point is that Vick really hasn’t done anything to lose this job–namely, he’s not turning the ball over, the way he was the last time he got benched in favor of Foles. He did some good things with his feet in this game, and made some positive plays for the offense; I think it’s important to note.

        I think if Kelly has a general problem with the way Vick’s been running the system, he goes with Foles. I don’t think Foles is the kind of QB he really wants, though.

        • jon h

          you’re right. I will say that I love his press conferences, particularly when the reporters try to show they’re football geniuses and he just puts them in their place in a very matter of fact kind of way

  • 1972

    Hey Tim, the D stepped up. that’s the reality of it. If we got 4 turnovers in every game this year we would be undefeated. Foles two touchdowns were after int’s .
    The reason we won the skins game was the same thing.
    Turnovers won this game today

  • mrparabolic

    That’s a great picture for this article.

  • Comeon

    All you idiots ripping the first pick. He had his best game by far!!! To pick a safety in the top 5 is ludacris. I don’t know what you expect from a first year starter he is trending upward and is a top 10 right tackle in football right now..the front office is above average, and will continue to get better you guys must not watch a lot of other teams play because even the best give up pressure from time to time