Observations: Eagles 36, Giants 21

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The Eagles beat the Giants, 36-21, at MetLife Stadium to improve to 2-3 on the season. Here’s what we saw.

 


OFFENSE

* Nick Foles came in to the game late in the first half and went 16-for-25 for 197 yards and two touchdowns. After the Mychal Kendricks interception in the fourth quarter, Foles rolled to his left and then found Brent Celek for a 25-yard score. After the Brandon Boykin interception, Foles threw a beautiful ball to DeSean Jackson for a 5-yard score.

* Michael Vick left the game late in the first half with what appeared to be a hamstring injury. He suffered it while scrambling and running out of bounds in the second quarter. On the following drive, Vick played one snap, threw the ball away and then was pulled.

* Vick was not sharp in the first half as a passer, completing 6 of 14 passes for 105 yards. Fifty-six of those yards came on a bomb to DeSean Jackson that went right through the hands of Giants cornerback Trumaine McBride. The big play set up the Eagles' first touchdown, a 1-yard score by LeSean McCoy.

* Vick, however, was outstanding with his legs, picking up 79 yards on seven carries. At least three of those were designed sweeps or read-option runs. The others came when Vick scrambled, including one 34-yarder.

* DeSean Jackson had a monster game with seven catches for 132 yards and a touchdown. He stopped momentarily and then ran the fade in the fourth for the 5-yard score.

* LeSean McCoy had 20 carries for 46 yards. He also added six grabs for 46. His biggest run - a 17-yarder - came on a read-option play where Vick froze Justin Tuck. McCoy had eight carries for -2 yards after Foles came into the game.

* Zach Ertz continued to pick up big chunks of yardage when he's targeted. He had a 24-yard catch, his fourth grab of 20+ yards on the season. Ertz also had a 14-yard catch.

* The Eagles were 2-for-5 in the red zone. One one second-quarter possession, Vick had Jason Avant open, but missed him.

DEFENSE

* The game turned for the Eagles in the second half when they came away with three straight interceptions. On the first one, Brandon Boykin and Trent Cole pressured Eli Manning. The ball was deflected, popped up in the air and was picked off by Mychal Kendricks. Cole hit Manning's helmet on the play, but no flag was thrown.

* On the second interception, Boykin made a leaping grab of a Manning pass intended for Victor Cruz. Cruz had it initially, but Boykin fought for the ball for the turnover. The final pick looked like a miscommunication between Manning and the receiver as Cary Williams picked it off.

* Overall, Manning went 24-for-52 for 334 yards, two touchdowns and three interceptions. The Giants averaged just 3.1 yards per carry on the ground.

* The Giants wasted no time testing the Eagles deep. On their first possession, Rueben Randle beat Nate Allen, but Bradley Fletcher broke the pass up at the last second. On the very next play, though, Fletcher got beat by Hakeem Nicks for a 49-yard gain to set up the Giants' first touchdown, a 5-yard David Wilson run.

* The Eagles gave up touchdowns on consecutive possessions in the third quarter. The secondary had a rough go on the first drive. Earl Wolff caught got out of position on a 24-yard completion to tight end Brandon Myers. Manning hit Randle for a 20-yard gain. It looked like he was Williams' responsibility. Manning then hit Randle for a 26-yard score. Nate Allen missed a tackle, and Wolff took a bad angle on the play.

* On the other touchdown drive, Boykin was called for a questionable pass interference penalty against Cruz. Boykin also got called for fair catch interference (also seemed like a questionable call) to start the drive. In the red zone, Cole pressured Manning, but he rolled to his left and found Randle for a 12-yard score in front of Wolff and Williams.

* Fletcher got tested deep all half long. On a couple occasions, it looked like he might have gotten away with some contact, but the flags weren't thrown. The Giants scored on their first possession, but didn't do much for the rest of the first half. On their remaining five possessions, they punted four times and fumbled once.

* On New York's second possession, the Eagles got some help from Manning. He slipped as he was dropping back and then was whistled for intentional grounding. The Giants were called for a false start on the very next play.

* Jacobs must have felt left out because on a second quarter play, he fumbled without being touched, and Kendricks recovered.

* Connor Barwin suffered a leg injury in the second, and the Eagles went with a four-down look featuring Brandon Graham, Vinny Curry, Fletcher Cox and Trent Cole. Barwin returned the third.

* Cedric Thornton really could have had a safety in the first, hitting David Wilson in the end zone, but the officials ruled forward progress.

* The Eagles came away with four takeaways on the day after being shut out in that department the previous two weeks.

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  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    - Eh…3 of those passes were dropped.
    - And while Foles’ drive was nice, without Vick stopping McCoy becomes pretty darn easy.

    • Token

      LOL so now Vick makes McCoy? Did you just start following the Eagles this season? You Vick fanatics are out of your mind.

      • RIP illa

        Wow!!! Completely missed the point on that one, didn’t you?! SMH!

        • 1972

          Shadys going to average 40 yds per gamewith foles in there. I dont like either QB for the future but the run game is going to suffer with foles in there. No read option threat at all.
          good throws on a short field though

          • Token

            like this guy for instance.

        • Token

          How so? This is the theme tonight, Vick fanatics are saying McCoy can run with Vick out. They must have not followed the team before this year.

          • RIP illa

            And your still missing the point!!! Jesus kid, don’t be so dim. It’s not that McCoy isn’t a great back or that he can’t run w/o Vick, it’s the fact that Vick aids in Shady doing as much damage as he’s been doing so far in the Chip Kelly offense. Shady is ridiculously good, but you still don’t want D’s and D-Coords to be able to key in on him and shut him down or limit what the Eagles want/need to do on O!

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            He has Vick goggles.

            He can’t grasp it’s a scheme thing not a Vick thing.

          • RIP illa

            That’s why half of his in game post and post in general drive me crazy. Same w/ other Vick haters.

          • Token

            Refer to McCoy in 2011. Way before the read option crap. He seemed to do pretty good for himself. But im the dim one, kid?

          • RIP illa

            Yes you are completely dim!!! Who was the QB in 2011??? Jesus…SMH!
            Now you see, what I just pointed out is as much of a strawman agrument as yours.

          • 1972

            Its the scheme Token. Why don’t you get it? Did you watch the game?? explain shadys second half stats? You’re asking chip to change his entire philosophy of running or don’t run at all.
            The thing is that you do get it, but nothing anyone says can stop you from praising your savior. NICKY FOLES!!!! lol

          • Vick Must Go

            1972, It’s not about Nick Foles. So stop making it about Nick Foles. It is about being completely fed up about people saying Vick is good. Vick is a completely incompetent QB. No team in the league would want him as their starting QB except for the Eagles. If he had a chance to walk on as a starter anywhere else, he wouldn’t have renegotiated his contract this year. If the Vick lovers, would stop spouting this mindless love for him, I think you’d see the Vick haters stop spouting off otherwise.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            Who was the QB in 2011?

            lol

            And what happened in 2012 when Vick was no longer a serious run threat – which had a lot to do with the Oline and a lot to do withn Andy Reid’s coaching.

            lol/smh

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Yeah. He did.

    • Vick Must Go

      If I had a choice between a QB that can run and help the run game, and one that can read defenses, pass, and complete > 50% of his passes while posting a 100% success rate in the redzone and winning against a division rival… I choose the latter.

      I want my QB to find the open man, and pass it to him. Not hold the ball for 17 seconds because he can’t read defenses… then take a senseless sack or throw into double coverage.

  • Bdawk20

    To all you people that gave me so much crap for saying Foles runs this offense better than Vick and that Vick would be more of the same, eat me.

    • obj_speaking

      First time poster here, but where was the running game with Foles coming in? Foles played a good game all things considered, but the run game is definitely hampered when he’s behind center, with almost no appreciable uptick in passing opportunities.

      • RIP illa

        Don’t wanna get into the battle of Vick v Foles and don’t know which side you stand on, if any, but great logical, rational post. And welcome to posting on here. Good start so far.

      • BlindChow

        The Giants were keying in on the run, wanting Foles to beat them with his arm. It’s the same thing the Browns did when Tuel came into the game for the Bills on Thursday. (Tuel couldn’t make them pay for it, though.)

        Plenty of teams without a running QB are able to run the ball just fine. If the threat of the QB taking off is making the difference for Shady, they need to come up with a new running scheme when Foles is in the game.

        • Brian

          How do you down vote a completely rational statement? Oh, Vick love gone wild.

        • ztom6

          When defensive tackles are blowing up the plays 5 yards in the backfield, that’s not “keying on the run”, that’s just bad blocking.

    • RIP illa

      Wow a neutralized Shady W/ Foles under center and 200 yards passing and 2 TDs are vindication for you. Eat yourself cause your justification is just ridiculous.

      W/ that being said I’m proud of Foles for being able to throw the ball down field, a little, and not just dink and dunk. Had some real nice passes in this game and more importantly, didn’t turn it over.

      • 1972

        See how easy it is for eagle fans to praise foles? he played a very good game. You don’t have to condemn the other guy to make the point that u like foles. Vick haters don’t even care about the state of the team as long as he’s not in there they’re happy.

        • RIP illa

          Been saying this since the end of last season. Damn shameful of our fanbase

        • Vick Must Go

          You completely miss the point on Vick haters. I hate Vick as a QB and as a person. In order for our team to get better, Vick has to get out. Are we winning the SB this year? No. Is Vick on the team next year? No. If that’s the case, you need to see if Foles can be an acceptable backup QB to whoever you draft next year. Saying that we aren’t Eagles fans just because we aren’t gunning for a 7-9 season is ludicrous.

          I’m 34… been a Flyers/Sixers/Phillies/Eagles fan my whole life. I was 3 years old when the Sixers won the championship and I don’t remember it. When the Phillies won the Series, I was in Afghanistan and wasn’t able to see/enjoy it, talk to friends, celebrate, etc. Before I die, I would like a Philadelphia championship. Vick is not going to get us there… so lets turn the page so we can get there.

          • ztom6

            We already know Foles is a very good backup QB. The question is can he be more than that.

      • Bdawk20

        Actually, Foles does what Vick cannot. He anticipates and throws guys open. Foles is not the long term QB here, but this is just a snippet of what can actually happen whenever Chip gets his full time QB in the fold. Vick is the same QB he has always been. Foles quick throws, anticipation, and decision making absolutely crushes Mike Vick. Foles still makes mistakes, but the fact that Vick couldn’t get ANYTHING going vs the Giants, whereas Foles made throws to guys who were covered, is enough said.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Who did he throw open? Who? What receiver?

          Geez folk make up stuff to prove a point. SMH.

          • ztom6

            Both TDs were anticipation throws. So were the long corner route completions to Jackson. The one touch pass completion he had to Bryce Brown in the flat was very pretty as well… could have gone for a big play if BB makes the one guy miss.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            No. DeSean juked that guy. That was DeSean being Desean. Celek made a great catch. The same Celek who dropped passes no NFL receiver should never drop last week.

          • ztom6

            it was both. Ball was delivered when it needed to be delivered.

          • JofreyRice

            absurd.

          • Token

            They have been saying Vick made McCoys career all night. Absurd is right.

          • #7

            Those were anticipation throws? lol

          • ztom6

            throw the ball before the receiver is actually open = anticipation throw.

          • JofreyRice

            what would you call it? Vick is really not an anticipatory thrower. He’s a see-it-throw-it guy; like Cutler, Stafford. He’s got the arm to do that. Foles doesn’t quite have that Howitzer, so he’s got to have anticipation for where the receiver is going to end up.

            Releasing the ball when Jackson was face up on Amukamara and having it end up exactly at the point where Jackson broke was about everything you could want from a throw like that down there.

        • RIP illa

          What was the score when Foles came in???

        • Vick Must Go

          Bdawk, you and Token are right on.

      • Explorer51

        Foles passing numbers were for a little more than a half; project that to a full game…close to 400 yards and 3-4 TDs? Of course you can’t make accurate projections like that in real life just like you can’t denigrate a 200 yard/ 2 TD (with no TOs) half.

        As I said in an earlier post, can’t we just enjoy a win? I don’t think that most Denver fans crapped on their win last week because it was only against the Eagles…

        • RIP illa

          Yeah I see the projection argument. Not like Vick hasn’t thrown for over 400 yards. I agree to enjoy the win.

          EDIT: And getting significant yards running along w/ throwing over 400

  • Dom

    Foles is playing an 0-5 team and is throwing for short yards ….there was a lead handed to foles by Vick …three interceptions and short fields helped his cause as well

    • thedtrain

      you realize he was down at one point…right?

      • Allan

        He was down because he did nothing the entire 3rd quarter

        • lamer

          “He did nothing..”? Nice analysis!

        • Vick Must Go

          Allan, really… nothing 3rd quarter. How about this, pull up Foles 3rd quarter stats and compare to Vick’s first quarter stats. Vick had a whopping ZERO completions for a whopping ZERO yards in the first quarter.

  • Allan

    Not hating on Foles because he did well, but both of his scores came on extremely short fields. The defense put offense in excellent position and he took advantage. I would like to see him go the distance consistantly before he is crowned. It wasn’t happening before the turnovers started.

    • Token

      O…. you mean like scoring in the redzone? Like we havent been able to do all year? Yea….. that sucks.

      • RIP illa

        Yeah I know…receivers actually hung on to the ball today, to actually make us able to score in the RZ!!!

    • Vick Must Go

      Like he did for points at the end of the half? Before today, Vick was 3/15 in the redzone. Not sure what his stats are now. Don’t give me short field. When Vick is in the redzone, he is incompetent. Regardless of how Foles got in the redzone, he scored touchdowns.

  • RIP illa

    Sorry Sheil but if you watch the replay, Vick’s bomb to DJax was actually a “perfect throw”!!! It didn’t go through the defenders hands at all! It actually went just outside of his grasp. You could definitely argue that it was misplayed by McBride, however, if Flacco is given and has received credit for his “miracle bomb” in Denver last year. Then the same should be given to our QB!!!

    • Token

      LOL my o my

    • Vick Must Go

      Nope, Sheil is right here. Vick forced the ball into double coverage. Just a bad play by the secondary to not get a hand on it.

      • RIP illa

        Are you mental? He’s wrong about it going through the defenders hands…As I stated before. Nice try tho!

        • Vick Must Go

          Watch the replay. Even the announcers said “right through his hands.”

          • RIP illa

            You’re an idiot. Just cause the announcer says something??? You say watch the replay but then go by what the announcer says, when they contradict each other. SMH!!!

      • #7

        Have to try and make a play. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t. Could have been a pick too, but Foles has proved that he can’t make those throws. He has a chance to prove it now

  • EuropeanEagle

    As a fan I’m ashamed of saying this, but even after today’s win I have almost no faith in this team.
    Our offense looks stoppable, the defense gets nothing done (ill give them credit thiugh, along with Eli, for the ints that kept us in the game) and I could block that front seven by myself. I know we have personnel issues, no maclin, and this is a rebuilding year. But still, I expected more from these eagles.
    Well who cares, we might win the east.

    • RIP illa

      Well said!!!

    • Token

      It was just two bad teams playing each other. One had to win.

      • anon

        Yeah that’s the unfortunate part. Before the turnovers started and the D allowed those two TOs i was about to turn the game off. But Boykin’s pick was major league pro bowl highlight reel stuff.

      • RIP illa

        Kinda left out the fact that along w/ those two bad teams, it was a division game w/ major implications of our team’s standing going forward in the season, especially w/ Dallas playing the Broncos right now! But yeah, just two bad teams playing another!!!

    • Adam

      Did you watch the first 4 games? What happened in this game that hasn’t been happening all season that all of a sudden you have no faith in?

      • EuropeanEagle

        Well you do need a few games to decide wether or not you think your team is competitive or not.

    • morgan c

      Dude you’re totally right. Let’s not pretend like our defense is anything other than terrible. We got three GIFT turnovers (the one by Boykin was flat nasty), and yet were consistently inept when trying to run basic defensive plays. Giving up 30 yards every slant? Check. Giving up deep balls and committing PIs even when you’re in position? Check. It was nice to win, but we are a really poor football team. The Giants couldn’t have played worse, and it was still a game in the fourth Q… can we please get a competent D Coordinator?!

    • JofreyRice

      I can understand your point of view, I don’t think they were terribly impressive, either. I would have loved to see them just pound the Giants into the ground–but hey, a win’s a win. I mean, are they going to the Superbowl this season? No. Next season? Probably not. But they really just need to focus on putting one foot in front of the other at this point. They succeeded in doing that today.

      I think Kelly needs W’s, even if they are ugly, to get the guys fully onboard. It’s almost certain the best version of Kelly’s Eagles will be the confident version. No way that happens without W’s, even if the confidence is built on somewhat ugly wins against bad teams.

  • Cyrus Robinson

    Today is not about Vick versus Foles. The real story is Chip completely changing his gameplan and it succeeding. The Eagles were extremely run based early on with Vick. The running game was grating down their defense. Vick goes down and the Giants key in on McCoy.
    Well, Chip Kelly borrowed from Andy Reid’s Alex Smith playbook and that was enough to win.
    The offense is COMPLETELY different with both QBs in, but Chip made it work.

    • Token

      I didnt see the scheme change at all. They came out doing what theyve been doing the last 2-3 weeks. Just played another bad team today.

      The only change was more designed QB runs early. Thats not a good gameplan.

      • 1972

        you’re not an eagle fan, you’re a vick hater . So your posts have zero credibility . If you watched the game( I doubt you did)you can see we had zero running game once vick went out. I just wanna win man. If I believed in my heart foles would take us to the promised land I would be on board. But I don’t, and if they go with him I hope im wrong

        • Token

          Yes, Vick makes McCoy…… come on.

          Vick Stinks.

          Foles stinks.

          We dont have our QB yet.

          • Vick Must Go

            Here here, token. 1972 is completely lost. Look at the stats, 1972. Foles far outplayed Vick. Look at the redzone stats, Foles far outplayed Vick. Look at the scoreboard, Foles far outplayed Vick. Both QBs are terrible, its just that Vick is far worse than Foles. Vick is both the 2nd best running back on this team and the 2nd best QB on this team.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            - One QB – 16 points
            - One QB – 20 points

            That’s some serious outplaying.

          • Loke1988

            Luv u some a Vick don’t ya?

          • All In Eagles

            Pointing out a close point total doesn’t constitute ‘luv’. It’s just a fact of the game that was played, that’s all. I’m open to either QB, whoever gives us the W’s.

          • 1972

            Theyre slightly above average with different attributes. never said they stunk

        • BlindChow

          The Giants didn’t think Foles could throw it, so they concentrated on stopping McCoy. That’s what good defensive coordinators do when backup QB’s are forced into starting duty. And Foles made them pay for it…

          • Loke1988

            Exactly

          • ztom6

            Right, because other defenses haven’t been successful daring Vick to beat them recently.

        • morgan c

          Vick hater? I don’t see that. The problem is that the Vick fans are so blindly loyal to him, even when it’s so obvious how limited he is. I honestly believe we would have lost that game if Vick stayed in. He was great with his legs (see, giving him credit ipso facto, not a hater), and that no doubt gives us a different dimension. But he simply cannot throw the ball effectively and consistently, read a defense, and make the right plays with his arm. That is more important if you are going to be an NFL quarterback.

          Do you honestly think Vick will take us to the promised land?

          If you watched the game, you know you are lying to yourself by saying anything other than Vick was absolutely atrocious throwing the ball. Come on man, you know it, I know it, the commentators know it, the media knows it… 0 first quarter completions. Second worst completion percentage in the NFL.

          • morgan c

            to be clear, I was all on board to go with Vick to start the year, but after the past two season where he was statistically one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL, he was on a short leash, and deservedly so. Three bad games in a row. The time is now to go to Foles. What is so frustrating to me is this mystique that still surrounds Vick, like he’s as valuable as a Manning or Brady. Chip obviously has fallen under that spell, as he had NO BUSINESS going back out to try to run a (nearly disastrous) play after the injury. We all quickly forget how close this competition was in the off-season. Foles will not be as “dynamic,” but will be less inconsistent, will be safer with the ball, and will make better decisions.

      • Loke1988

        Exactly right. You dont win with a QB as your featured offensive threat on the ground.

    • RIP illa

      That’s what some have been trying to say since preseason, that we run two completely different O’s depending on the QB. And you’re also right in saying that today’s win shouldn’t be about V vs F.

      • #7

        You know they’re coming

        • GEagle

          Your right…let’s continue not investing in young QBs for a guy that even when he does everything right and runs out of bounds untouched, still can’t get thru week 5, and we need to get through ATleast 11 more games…but yeah, the blind Vick haters. I rooted for the guy all season and have defended his play, but this is the exact reason no one believes with him to begin with….and it doesn’t help that a young buck came in cold on the road, stopped the sky from falling on our season and made Desean look like Welker….the blind Vick haters…

          • #7

            Sir he can prove it on the field now. Fight on.

          • morgan c

            Haha, ya man. Whatever, rational people like you and I can rest easy because this will all be moot this time next year. After leading us to a 7-9 record, Vick is finally cut lose and we move forward. Not saying Foles is the future, but Vick sure as hell ain’t!

          • Vick Must Go

            Morgan and GEagle… YES!!! #7 below… last I checked, the last 2.5 years Vick has been proving it on the field. But he’s been proving he is completely worthless. If after 2.5 years of horrific QB play you still don’t get that Vick is a bottom 3-5 QB in the league, then you are a blind Vick lover.

          • Cyrus Robinson

            Josh Freeman, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Mark Sanchez. I just named 5 QBs off the top of my head that are in the league and are no doubt worse than Vick.
            Your “Vick is a bottom 3-5 QB in the league” was not just disproved, but also shows your bias against him.
            I’m tired of all this fanboy crap. Foles is not a pro-bowler. Vick is probably not going to be a pro-bowler.

            The QB you should cheer for is whoever is on the field, because that’s the only one that can help you win. When Vick starts, I hope he throws for 500 yards and 7 TDs, because that would help the Eagles win. When Foles starts, I hope he throws for 500 yards and 7 TDs, because that would help the Eagles win.

            Football is a complex game with a team being a machine with many moving parts. Foles and Vick both have their strengths. Instead of senseless arguing over who’s better, akin to “my dad can beat up your dad!”, everybody should just shut up and support their team.

            I personally hope Vick starts on Sunday because I’m going to the game and I prefer to watch exciting football (big throws, Shady making people miss, long runs, etc). If Foles starts I’ll be a little disappointed, but if he gets a win I’ll go home happy.

          • aub32

            very well said and loved the “my dad can beat up your dad” analogy.

          • morgan c

            Jake Locker is definitely not worse than Vick right now. His team is 3-1 with him, and he has better completion percentage and TD to INT ratio this year. Vick is second worst in completion percentage, and over the last 3 years, ONLY MARK SANCHEZ has more turnovers.
            Look it up. That is a fact.

          • Cyrus Robinson

            Tell all your friends that you want a straight up trade of Vick for Jake Locker then.
            Keep in mind that Vick has 2 more completions than Jake Locker this season but has passed for about 460 more yards. Vick also has 300 yards rushing this season already, and when Vick runs the option, we are the number 1 ranked rushing offense in the NFL. With Foles in yesterday, normally unstoppable McCoy could barely get to the line of scrimmage.
            If only Jake Locker could come and save the Eagles with his checkdowns…

          • Richard Colton

            Yea. Foles looked better yesterday, but there’s a reason Vick is the starting QB. He needs to start as long as we’re still in the hunt.

    • Adam

      It wasn’t completely different. At all. The way the Giants defended us changed, but the scheme didn’t.

      • ztom6

        In what way was the Giants’ defense different?

        • Adam

          They sold out to stop the run, they didn’t respect Foles ability to run or pass. Didn’t work out as planned, clearly.

          • ztom6

            They may have played better against the run, but it looked to me they played the same kinds of coverages.

          • Adam

            I’m not sure of any D coordinator in the league that would call the same game against Vick as they would against Foles. But if you say so.

          • ztom6

            They played a lot of cover 1 man against both QBs just like everyone else has been doing. If anything they tried blitzing Foles more.

          • #7

            Thats what I saw, and wait until next week when they make Foles have to beat the Bucs and shut down Shady unless the get rid of a major part of Chip’s offense, the read option fake. Shady has been killing those looks this year and now they are gone because teams will not care about #9 kepping the ball. Bracket Jackson and make Avant and Cooper beat man coverage, which they have not been able to do. McCoy will get yards, but will not be as effective. Line is inconsistent so that does not work in Foles favor either. Maybe he can prove us wrong. I doubt it

    • ztom6

      They ran the same plays with both QBs. They only looked different because they are different style passers.

    • Run Eagles Run

      stop making sense!

    • Loke1988

      Alex Smith was afraid to throw. Foles was fearless. You are dead wrong, Foles proved he is the better QB you just don’t get it yet.

  • Max Lightfoot

    Actually, we need Vick and Foles, because between them we have maybe one complete QB! Of course, people will revive the QB controversy again, which IMO is just so much verbal diarrhea. I still think a healthy Vick is the starter until Foles shows he can win consistently against decent teams (which the Giants are not – hahahaha). We’ll see next week if Foles can win an entire game!

    • Kev_H

      I love this logic. It defines “fanatic”. Here’s the facts. The Eagles as they are currently put together have been losing more and more against everyone with Mike Vick under center. Haven’t they won something like 3 out of 15 with him? But they can’t make a change until somebody else shows he can win consistently? Vick has already show he can’t. So what is that worth and what do the Eagles have to lose by going with somebody, anybody, else?

      • Vick Must Go

        Seriously, trade Vick straight up for Gabbert and call it a day.

        • Jason Hall

          Dude , Really who are you and where did you come from ? Gabbert for Vick “slap yourself”

          • Vick Must Go

            Okay, how about we drop him and pick up JaMarcus Russell. Either QB would give us equal probability of winning a Superbowl. Nothing else matters.

      • Gary

        “I still think a healthy Vick is the starter until Foles shows he can win consistently against decent teams”

        But Vick doesn’t have to prove this? Because you do realize he hasn’t won consistently since, what, 2010?

        (Meant to be a reply to Max Lightfoot)

        • Vick Must Go

          Gary… YES!!!

      • Max Lightfoot

        I’m not a Vick fanatic, but as others have pointed out, Vick definitely poses a running double threat along with McCoy. That edges him out just a little bit over Foles. Maybe Foles can start next week and put it all together – I sure hope so! I don’t have any favorites in this race – and I do not understand why people hate Vick – he’s done his damn time for his damn crime, so get over it, already!! Sheesh …

        I don’t think we can win, for the long term, with Vick’s style because it is too risky. You can’t last long in the NFL as a QB with happy feet – you need to stand in the pocket, flash through your reads, and make the right decision, all in under three seconds. Vick hasn’t shown he can do that, but Foles hasn’t proven that yet, either – at least on a consistent basis. I hope that Foles, or even Barkley, can be that guy. Maybe the light will dawn on Vick, and he’ll put it all together – I kinda doubt it, but anything’s possible!

        As it is playing out, Vick has a slight edge over Foles, I think, and both are miles ahead of Barkley – so that’s why I said a healthy Vick is ahead of Foles. It is more likely that we don’t even have Chip’s QB yet. I hope we can draft that guy next year, but in the meantime, I think we need both Vick and Foles. If we could just clone them for the rest of the season …

  • dislikedisqus

    Always been a big Nick Foles fan!

  • Dom

    Foles was given short fields against a junior varsity 0-5 team …enuf said

    • lame

      And threw for 2 TDs, moved them for 2 FGs. Pity he couldn’t invent 9 point touchdowns so you’d think he accomplished something.

  • Soybot

    ONE EIGHTY! OMAHA!

    • GEagle

      After the game Eli congratulates FOles…
      FOles: “thanks man. hey Eli, do you know Owen?
      .
      Eli “who is Owen”
      ..
      FOles “OWEN five you midget mofo! fly eagles fly!!!!”

  • RIP illa

    Stupid Dallas!!! Killing Denver right now. Come on”The Favorite Manning Son”. Don’t be like your mouth breather brother who’s only favored over Cooper.

  • Token

    You Vick nuts are the ones missing the point.

    McCoy is doing so well this year SIMPLY because he is getting the ball more. Not because of Vick and the read option. Watch the defenders. They could care less about the read option. Its not like last year. Its basically the equivalent to Reid running a playaction every play. Meaningless.

    This new thought that McCoy needs Vick is a new low.

    • atlvickfan

      It is pretty well established that running QBs add about a half a yard per carry to running backs, regardless of whether it’s Vick, RG3, Tebow, etc. This isn’t something new.

      • Token

        Ridiculous.

        McCoy is THE only reason the offense has done anything. HE makes Vicks job easier, not the other way around.

        • atlvickfan

          Here is the article. It’s a few years old but it still makes the point.

          http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3059070

          “To find out, we put together a list of quarterbacks since 1978 who rushed for more than 300 yards, then either left the team or lost at least eight games to injury… The resulting list includes 16 teams — and 14 of those teams gained fewer yards per carry in the season in which the running quarterback was either injured or gone. The average drop was 0.46 yards per carry.”

          • Token

            Its from 2007. Think the league has changed just a little since 1978?

            Basically a grasping at straws stat.

            Interesting take too, how many running QBs have won Superbowls? I mean, you are telling me they make the offense work….. so how come they never win anything?

          • atlvickfan

            Yeah, it has changed… in favor of running QBs. Teams have gotten better at parlaying a QB’s running ability into better production from their running game. It is called the “read option”.

          • Token

            Again, how many SBs?

            Love when people mention Young. We have been through this before on here, maybe you can search for it. I posted all the stats. Young barely ran when he one those SBs. Hes the equivalent to todays Aaron Rodgers. Thats really what you want. A guy who has enough ability to run for a first if given it. But passing is his game.

            But judging by your name, we wont get anywhere with this.

            Still shocks me to see that people follow Vick around the league wherever he goes. Crazy.

          • atlvickfan

            It is always easy to see when a person realizes they are defeated when they change the topic of discussion. We were talking about running QBs adding YPC to running backs. All of a sudden, somehow you changed the topic to running QBs winning Super Bowls. What does a running QB’s ability to win a Super Bowl have to do with a running QB’s ability to add YPC to a running back? You are wrong about this and plenty of evidence proves it. Just admit it and move on.

          • atlvickfan

            Steve Young won quite a few Super Bowls if I recall correctly.

          • Vick Must Go

            Steve Young could pass, read defenses, own dogs without killing them… all traits that Vick doesn’t have.

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          SMH.

          You just don’t get it. Your hate for ONE player blinds you SO much you can’t understand basic fundamental football.

    • RIP illa

      Watch the defenders…you mean like Vick freezing Tuck on the hand off to Shady!!!

    • anon

      When the D stacks the box and plays man the unaccounted for player is the QB so he can run. Also options up the read option runs which as GB can tell you can lead to a lot of yards.

  • atlvickfan

    Foles played well and I’m not taking anything away from him. But this is kind of important:

    Vick average starting field position: PHI 30 yard line
    Foles average starting field position: PHI 40 yard line

    Number of Vick drives starting in opposing territory: 1
    Number of Foles drives starting in opposing territory: 3

    Points scored with Vick: 16 in 28 minutes
    Points scored with Foles: 20 in 32 minutes

    It’s a lot easier to score when you don’t have to go as far.

    • Token

      Vick all season…. something like 4-17 in the redzone. Get your head out of the sand Vick fans. Just a ridiculous stat. Its easier to score when you dont gotta go far? Please explain the redzone troubles of this offense then.

      Everyone wants to make this Vick vs Foles. As if because one is good the other stinks. Thats not how this works. They both stink. Vick has a long track record of being a bum that everyone wanted to act like it didnt happen before the season began.

      Well, Vick is still Vick whether people want to believe it or not.

      This is a bad team with 3 not very good QBs. We will be looking for our QB in round 1 next spring. Hope its not Howie or Chip making that call.

      • anon

        Foles was better in the RZ today. I think we can win with both QBs you cares.

        • Token

          Lower your expectations.

      • atlvickfan

        I am not trying to make it Vick vs. Foles at all. I am just pointing out that the Eagles had better field position in the second half when Foles was playing, thanks to the INTs by the defense. That is a fact, not an opinion. If you want to downplay the impact of better field position on a team’s ability to score, that is up to you.

        • 1972

          only one idiot on here is making it vick verse foles

      • Vick Must Go

        Token, you are my hero. Well said. I think the reason that anyone says anything positive about Foles has little to do with the merit of Foles play, but rather is a reaction to all the hype over how good Vick is. VICK IS NOT GOOD. VICK IS HORKING TERRIBLE. IF I EVER AGAIN HEAR ANYONE SAY VICK IS GOOD, I’M GOING TO LOSE IT. For this reason, I will over and over and over again praise Foles good play. Not because Foles is good, but rather because Vick is terrible and I’m tired of hearing otherwise.

        • atlvickfan

          Vick is good.

          • Vick Must Go

            Ron Mexico is terrible.

          • Jason Hall

            Dude were talking about football, who cares about The Ron Mexico or the dogs fiasco that was so 2007. He paid almost a million dollars and went to jail . If you want to talk about personal stuff go on other blogs and PETA websites because I want to hear about my eagles. Who are you anyway you just popped up all of a sudden. Go back to wherever you were hiding these last four games that we played

          • Vick Must Go

            Okay, let me make it more clear to you. Mike Vick circa 2013 is a terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible quarterback. Did I mention, he was terrible. Now, can you admit that the QB qualities of Mike Vick circa 2007 are well gone? And I’ve been here all along. Have been on this forum since the very first day it started.

    • BlindChow

      How many red zone touchdowns did Vick have?

      • RIP illa

        Serious question. How many RZ opportunities did Vick have this game?

        • Token

          You realize Vick has been one of the worst redzone QBs in the league not only this year, but for the past few years…..

          • RIP illa

            I asked a question about this game and that has nothing to do w/ Vick v Foles! Still SMH’n you. You can’t seem to understand anything that has to do w/ Vick, except your own hatred of him.

          • #7

            With laser like accuracy

          • Vick Must Go

            Token, much love man…

    • Wilbert31

      Foles came of the bench and drove from the 7 for a fg. Scored 2 td after that. Vick 1 td, 3 fg.

      • Wilbert31

        It’s a shame that your like fgs better than tds.

  • hillbillybirdsfan

    Vick’s style and the system he is in will mean that the birds are going to need both quarterbacks to stay afloat this year. Vick did some damage with his legs, Foles with his arm and neither turned the ball over so I’m pretty happy. The opponent was bad and the execution was far from perfect but you don’t thumb your nose at a road division win.

    • anon

      2-0 in the division, both road wins.

    • Chris

      Now if only the rest of Philly and the sports radio world can look at this situation as you so elegantly stated the world would alot less stressful for me this week

      • cloisterwater

        Haha, I hear that Chris. The people that call into sports radio are mainly your typical negadelphians, hardly ever happy.

  • Token

    Jarius Byrd is on the block apparently.

    Id do it for anything but a first, since we need a QB.

    Much better than letting Howie and Chip waste the 2nd rounder.

    Say that he said this injury he has is chronic. That gives me pause.

    • Adam

      You realize you can’t renegotiate someone on the tag right? So we give up a 2nd rounder for a guy who won’t play this year, and then can walk after the season is over. Nobody is trading for Byrd.

      • ztom6

        They can slap another tag on him, then negotiate.

        • Adam

          Doesn’t guarantee anything. If he doesn’t like the deal he just won’t play next year again. Better off just not giving up any draft picks and just sign him as FA. More than enough cap space to make it happen.

          • GEagle

            I’d give them a 6th to not see Nate next week

      • GEagle

        Wouldn’t trade more then a 4th for a high priced player going into FA, even if I Adore him, and he would make everyone drastically improved

        • Token

          Long time no see.

      • Token

        Didnt even think about that. Good point.

    • Vick Must Go

      Token, loved you until now, Man. I wouldn’t trade a 2nd round pick for anyone for only 11 games. That is all you are getting Byrd for, 11 games. Can’t renegotiate as Adam metioned, a 2nd franchise tag is amazingly expensive. Buffalo won’t let him go for anything less than a 3rd, because they might get a compensatory 3rd. And no one will trade more than a 4th because you’d only get him for 11 games. Byrd is staying with Buffalo all year.

  • johnjohn

    The reason why vick cant score in redzone is because of timing routes. He cant throw them. Ive said it all year, the receiver has to br wide open. When everything is bunched together thats when timing with receivers is very important because theres always going to be a guy with in 5 yards of receiver. Fly eagles fly

  • Explorer51

    Foles comes in cold, hasn’t played any significant time since the last preseason game, probably gets the barest minimum of snaps with the first team in practice, and has a very nice game…Eagles win by two TDs. Can’t we enjoy that?

    • GEagle

      And ended the giants season

    • Run Eagles Run

      who wouldnt have a nice game when you start with the ball on the opponents 40? I could enjoy it, if it werent for the constant talk of “foles should start”. No, No he shouldnt.

      • Uncle Carm

        Foles started on the Eagles 7 with about a minute and a half left in the half and drove them down for a field goal with a timeout to spare. he did a nice job by any definition.

        • Run Eagles Run

          Didn’t say he looked bad, but lets not make his performance to be more than it was… if the eagles d didn’t cause turnovers, feild goals was. All foles was gonna be able to get.

          • Ron Swanson

            But Vick was getting them into the endzone? Did you even watch the first half?

  • GEagle

    Young FOles and the Young defense step on a hated rivals neck on the road…people act like Eli gave us the game. Eli doesn’t give up sacks, he tries to make a play when pressured that leads to turnovers..we might have not gotten the sacks, but we pressured him into being bad Eli…young defense overcame playing 10-11(Nate doesn’t count) and stolen the game in the second half…then young inexperienced FOles came in cold, took advantage of turnovers and made Djax look like Welker in the RZ for the first time ever…looks like Djax isn’t just a deep threat when young FOles is in the game..and to do it with no help from Shady…damn good win. we didn’t beat a good team, but this was a crucial desperation game from both clubs and it’s important our young team learns to claw and scratch their way to wins when games get ugly..Gotta crawl before you can run…and in this division, Today was HUGE!!!.

    FOles shows more Moxy than Romo has in 80 games
    ..
    Vick gets hurt in week 5 untouched even when he runs out of bounds… SMH

  • 1972

    Turnovers, giants 4 Eagles 0 . That’s your ballgame ladies and gentlemen. Not this made up Nick Foles is the new savior crap. Please watch the games. And I’ll reiterate, foles made some very good throws. See, no hate here

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Thank you. Someone making sense. FOUR TURNOVERS. if we didn’t win this game we should have been put out to pasture.

      • GEagle

        Yeah, it’s not like our defense had anything to do with the TO’s..they just gave it to us lol…when the Eagles create turnovers, and don’t commit any….They Don’t Lose…so not exactly sure what the point is

        • ohitsdom

          Turnovers were mostly gifts, but not Boykin’s pick. That was fought for and earned.

          • GEagle

            No..Eli had pressure in his face on every pick he threw…how was the Kendricks play a Eli gift when our defense cracks him as he throws the ball forcing it to fly in The air into Mykals hands? STOP it!!!

          • Kev_H

            It was a gift from the ref. They should have called that “blow to the head” and marched off 15 against the Eagles.

    • #7

      Agreed, but we’re talking about folks that hate one player and a media out there that loves any type of controversy.

      Nick will be made into the savior. Again. But now hopefully there will be no excuses for him (young qb, blah blah blah). He has to prove it on the field. He has DeSean Jackson and a healthy line like they said that he didn’t have last year. Time to show and prove

      • ztom6

        there’s no need to make excuses for Foles. Like you said, he has youth on his side and it might be worth it to give him a shot to see what he can do and let him develop some more. You have to admit it is impressive how much he has improved since he was a rookie.

        • #7

          I don’t like “give him a shot” He has to EARN his shot which he has not as he’s getting his shot via injury..

          If Foles plays well, good for him, but i will not hate one player like some people on here.

          • ztom6

            what I said was “it might be worth it”. Regardless of how it comes to him it might be worth it just because he’s the younger player and we don’t quite know exactly what his ceiling is yet.

      • Vick Must Go

        Okay, #7. What is Vick’s excuse for the last 2.5 years. You are a Vick lover… what is that excuse? Line last year? What about in 2011? What about this year, the WR? Last I checked, Foles had the same WR corps this game and still shredded the Giants secondary. Meanwhile, 5/14 for Vick.

        So I’ll say it. Foles isn’t Farve. I don’t believe he will take us to the Super Bowl. Can you say the same for Vick? And if so… then why aren’t you routing for the young players on our team in hopes of next year? Rooting for a washed-up has-been that has done nothing in this league for 2.5 years does not help our team reach the SB.

        • #7

          I’m not “routing” for one player sir. I pulled for Vick because I think he gives us the best shot to win as did the HC.

          Foles had every chance to win the job and he did not. He has a chance to prove himself. If he does, good for the Eagles and himself. What more props do you want man? Beat your chest for Nick Foles. Good for you, but that does not mean people have to agree with your opinion. Tell you boy Foles to go snatch the job against an 0-4 Bucs team. If he fails to do so, he should sit again.

          I want the Eagles to win regardless

          • Vick Must Go

            Given your screen name of #7… I would counter that you are routing for 1 player. So I posed this question elsewhere, but I’ll pose again here. What is your goal this season? My goal this season and every season in Super Bowl. If your goal is to win as many games this year as possible, Vick may or may NOT give you that opportunity to reach 5-7 wins. But he isn’t taking you to the super bowl.

            If your goal is the superbowl, then pulling for Vick is counterproductive. So we can have a mediocre or sub mediocre season that does not get us any closer to a superbowl.

            Again, as I posted elsewhere… I’ve followed my 4 Philly teams all my life. I was 3 when the Sixers won their championship. And I was in Afghanistan when the Phillies won. I want 1 championship in my lifetime that I can see/enjoy. Every day that Vick is here is a roadblock to that dream for the Eagles.

            If Foles does great, then wonderful… maybe he is the backup next year or a trade chip (likely not a starter). Vick isn’t getting us there this year and he won’t be here next year. So his playing is a hinderance to the progression of this team.

          • #7

            So Vick should have lost the QB comp on purpose? Vick re-signed himself?

            Chip has said that Vick is the starter if healthy. Foles has a chance to snatch the job. This should be what Foles wants.

            And to answer your question, obviously we all want to win the SB. My goal for this team was to make the playoffs and see what happens. Teams get hot and why not us with all of this offensive “firepower” that we keep saying we have.

          • Vick Must Go

            That is the most retarded comment ever. Why would Vick lose the QB competition on purpose. He is a player, not a fan. He wants what is best for his career and his team for this year. He does not care what the Eagles are doing in 5-6 years because he won’t be a part of it. As a fan, I want a Superbowl. And Vick is NOT getting us there.

          • Kev_H

            But the Eagles have been losing over and over again with Vick at the helm and you are always full of excuses. Can you see the contradiction?

  • Leon

    While I agree Nick Foles played very well we’ve got to remember he came in with the score at 16-7 so he had a 9 point lead and we won by 15 so Foles added 5 points to that lead but it was with 4 forced turnovers and great field position to help. And anyone who says that Vick and the read option doesn’t help Mccoy didn’t watch the game. With Foles in McCoy had -2 yards of rushing and he was getting hit in the backfied almost every carry. Also let’s not forget while Foles threw for 197 yards Vick threw for 105 and ran for 79 and at the end of the day Vick scored us 16 points while Foles got us 19 with the help of 4 turnovers so I say we hold back on all this Foles over Vick talk.

    • ztom6

      The blocking was terrible on those runs. If the Giants weren’t accounting for Foles on those plays you would have seen him keep it.

      • Leon

        No Foles would not have kept it have you seen him run

        • ztom6

          well he kept the ball once today and kept it a few other times in the preseason But it’s not like it’s the DE making the plays off the edge by ignoring Foles. It was the DTs blowing things up by beating their guys off the snap.

    • mrparabolic

      It is more important to look at the performance of the individual than the performance of the team when evaluating players. Saying Vick added X points while Foles added Y doesn’t make a lot of sense because there are so many other variables that go into those outcomes.

      When you look at the individual performances, you see exactly what everyone already knew. Foles is more accurate and gets the ball out quicker. Vick is a run threat with a killer deep ball. Personally, I think our two QBs are pretty evenly matched; they just have different strengths and weaknesses.

  • BlindChow

    One thing I liked: bunch sets. I don’t remember seeing them much before this game, but that’s one way you beat man coverage. I think Chip Kelly made an adjustment!

    • JofreyRice

      Yep, absolutely. Was a good adjustment, because the Giants were pretty much manning everyone up again, as KC and Denver did.

      I mean, it’s not like he’s cooking up some exotic scheme to beat man, but it’s notable that he made a change.

      Gotta say, I’m pretty sick of the sideways runs, though. I don’t think they are that useful at this level.

      • BlindChow

        Also, it’s not like man coverage itself is some exotic scheme. To hear some people here tell it, we should’ve just packed it in this season because our receivers weren’t good enough to beat one-on-one coverages.

        Other ways to do so are touch passes and timing routes, both of which we saw Foles make today. I wonder if those were part of the adjustment, too, and if Vick was missing them, or if those plays just weren’t called until Foles got in the game…

    • MAC

      I was very happy to see those as well. I just been waiting for more man beating route combinations and formations in general. How come I don’t see many rub or pick routes? With all the man single high safety it should be easy to do.

  • Dom

    No other city fans or media would be so eager to throw stones at a QB who has played well enough to win 4 games easily this year . They would instead spend time looking at the real culprits ……which are penalties in red zone ,dropped passes ,bad defense and an inconsistent offensive line . Maybe this lack of insight and joyful cannibalism is why we can’t get over the Super Bowl hump . Before long the impressionable ,dummy howie roseman will start to manage his team based upon this idiotic , unfounded , rhetoric again .

    • Vick Must Go

      Really? He played well enough to win against KC? Really? He played well enough against Denver? How many points did Vick contribute to in Denver? Sub 20… right?

      • Dom

        Yup he did against Denver even chip Kelly said so ….

        • Vick Must Go

          Well enough to WIN? Really? To win? With sub 20 points scored? That is good enough to WIN? One total team won with sub 20 points this week, the Bengals. And I don’t think you want to compare their D to ours. As a sub-mediocre QB game manager on a team with an amazingly dominant D, he did enough to win. Think Brad Johnson…

          • Dom

            It’s called dropped touchdown passes, penalties and bad o-line play in redzone…simple facts …none of which Vick had any part of ..

          • Vick Must Go

            Without the special teams scores, Denver put up 38 points. Go back and watch that game… and tell me that even if those catches are made and the penalties aren’t taken that Vick puts up 39 or more points that game. Considering he hasn’t up up that many in any game this year, and was only on pace for 32 today against the worst D in the league… then no. He DID NOT do enough to win.

            I’ll give you the argument against the Chargers. But making that argument against the Chiefs and Broncos is simply ludicrous.

  • Dom

    BY THE WAY THE EAGLES ARE ABOUT TO BE IN FIRST PLACE ALL ALONE IN THE NFC EAST….

    • Vick Must Go

      That’s right. By record, they are tied with Denver. But the Eagles have 2 wins in the division and 2 wins in the conference, compared to 1 and 1 for Dallas

  • anon

    What is tony romo doing??

  • Jason Hall

    Token and Vickmustgo are not Eagles fans. Foles was given great field position to get those two touchdowns and did a great job with it but lets get this straight he is still a backup, Who is Eli, Stafford, Tom Brady backup? They had a bad game but who cares, we won the game we had 19 pts when Vick left and giants came back because our offense fizzled. But who we should credit is our defense they got 4 turnovers today. That’s who won the game for us. Its not about Vick or Foles its about wins. By the way coming in today Vick was top 10 in QBR so that’s not that bad with a newly installed offense. But we do have a legitimate backup to come in if Vick gets hurt. Like I said backup. Oh yeah by the way they did change their defense TOKEN, Lesean McCoy had negative yards in the second half look it up before you talk this nonsense. Go Eagles not Vick or Foles, Eagles

    • ztom6

      Foles is a pretty good second year QB who seems to be getting better all the time. Isn’t that the kind of player we should want to see more of?

      • Jason Hall

        Vick did nothing to put him on the bench. Like I said before they had no time to gameplan for Foles and we had -2 yards in the running game in the 2nd half. Do you really think that we can win another game with just Foles throwing it. Vick has a 98.0 QBR was 2nd in the league in throws over 20 plus yards under Peyton Manning. Hes not forcing the ball like he used to, give him to til the 8th game.

        • ztom6

          No I don’t think Vick has played bad enough to lose his job, but sooner or later I want to see more of Foles. The Eagles aren’t winning the Super Bowl this year. Let the kid play and see if he can keep making progress.

          • Jason Hall

            Were 2-0 in the division if we win these next 4 games against some mediocre teams we will be 6-3. The eagles lost against some legit teams the 5-0 Broncos, 5-0 Cheifs, 2-2 San Diego. We are 2nd in Net Yds and Mike Vick is still still 10th in QBR. Lets be serious when all things click and everybody is on point I see us going deep.

          • ztom6

            lol, NFC East champs and one-and-done would be a great year. for this team.

          • anon

            Lets see what we looks like when we get some wins under our belt – our O and D have some confidence, gel and learn how to play together.

            Frankly, until the 4th quarter i thought the team had been regressing every game, but can’t argue with a W.

          • ztom6

            There’s only so much difference “gelling” is going to make.

          • Basscase

            Cowboys rang up 48 on the league’s best team. NOT the definition of “mediocre”.

            And this team isn’t good enough to see wins over anyone yet. Tampa is coming off a bye, and even though they’re a hot mess, you can’t sleep on ANYone right now.

        • Pennguino

          Vick did exactly what he does every year for the backup to play. He got hurt!

          -2 yards rushing in the second half. So without the threat of any kind of running game, Foles completed 64% of his passes and scored 20 points in basically a half.

          The reason he is not forcing is two fold. He got his a$$ handed to him in the KC game. So he played tentative, reserved, apprehensive in the Denver game because he knows Foles is waiting and he is wanting an extension. He figured as long as he doesn’t play bad he will be golden because everyone will blame the defense anyway.

          Vick didn’t want to come out of the game because he sees his career coming to an end. We almost had to call a time out just so Vick would leave the field.

          • anon

            I think that’s true but I wouldn’t want a starting QB who ever wanted to come out of the game. That said at least we don’t have Shanny as a coach; he probably would have let Vick play the rest of the game even though we have a good backup.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            “Vick didn’t want to come out of the game because he sees his career coming to an end.”

            That’s right up there with someone who said Vick was really benched b/c of his bad decision making not b/c of injury.

            And you guys talk about “Vickologists.”

            lol

        • Token

          You think the offense has been running well the past 3 weeks?

    • Token

      Im not a EAGLES fan because I dont think VICK is a good QB? Solid logic.

      And again, sorry to point this out, but a trend today is for people to say things like “Vick gives us a better shot to win” or “Its about wins”….. well not to be rude but what exactly is Vicks record over the last 2 or 3 years? From my count he is 4-10 as a starter over the last two seasons.

      So exactly how does Vick = better chance to win?

      Now please, continue to tell me how LeSean McCoy needs Michael Vick to be successful. Thats the best line you guys have come up with in a long time.

  • damrvrhunter

    E.A.G.L.E.S Fly eagles fly, on the road to victory… Tied for first in the NFC Least. Chip chip hoooorAy….

  • Pennguino

    Congrats to the team on a needed and great win! The offense set a new high in points scored and the defense set a new low in points allowed. ST came through with 5 FGs. A team win all the way around.

  • morgan c

    I have been careful to reserve judgment about the QB situation until now. Full disclosure: last year and in the off-season, I, like a lot of fans and readers of this blog, was behind going with Foles as Vick’s play the last two years was just too terrible. However, when Chip came in, and from all the pre-season games and Vick hype, I was back on board. I never expected him to go back to a Pro Bowl caliber QB, but I figured it was possible that he’d improve dramatically upon the last two years, and prove to be the right guy for Kelly’s system, at least for this year.

    He was good in the first two games, and atrocious against KC, mediocre against Denver, and terrible in the first half today. He made one big throw to DJax that should have been picked off. He had 0 completions in the first quarter, and there were multiple times he just held the ball too long and didn’t make the easy simple plays that were there. That last point is the consistent theme with him, and it just cannot be allowed to continue. I’m sure Sheil will point to some All22 showing this, but anyone who watched the game knows what I’m talking about. McCoy or a TE would be wide open 5 yards from the line of scrimmage, and he just hangs on hoping for something better that rarely materialized. Yes, he is a great runner and made some big plays today, but at the end of the day, that’s what he is: a running threat who makes more plays with his legs than he can with his arm and mind.

    Foles missed some throws, and is not as dynamic as Vick, but he is a more functionally proficient quarterback already. The offense isn’t as wildly inconsistent, and doesn’t bog down for quarters at a time, the way it does with Vick. If he keeps the ball just once or twice, even he can pick up 4 or 5 yards if defenders sell out to stop McCoy. No, he isn’t a threat, but with the occasional keep, and perhaps mixing in some more traditional hand-offs, I believe we will in the end be a more consistent offense. The point is, the time has come. It would be easier to say this if it wasn’t clear that we will still have a mathematical shot at the playoffs into December due to the weakness of our division, but I honestly believe that even still, Foles gives us a better chance to win now. I don’t hate Vick or anything, he was a great competitor. But he’s simply not a good NFL quarterback, and he holds the team back as much as he helps them. Time to see what Nick has, for real.

  • JofreyRice

    Horribly officiated game. Glad the Eagles came out on top!