Manning Solves Billy Davis’ Defense

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DENVER – Billy Davis‘ scheme worked well enough in the first half to at least keep Peyton Manning in check. He threw for 169 yards and a touchdown in the first 30 minutes of play. Good, but not crippling. The Eagles were within eight at the break.

But Manning caught fire in the third quarter, turning a once competitive game into a blowout.




The 37-year-old went 15-of-17  for 158 yards and tossed three of his four touchdowns in the quarter. When the smoke cleared, the Broncos held a 42-13 advantage.

"We played him the same way throughout I think," said Connor Barwin. "Our different looks were working in the first half. The guy is good at what he does, man. He can kind of figure a little bit of it out and was able to adjust in the third quarter and make some plays on us."

"He made adjustments. Clearly they made adjustments," added Cary Williams. "They saw something, somebody was tipping something off, I don't know what it was."

Most expected Manning to have a big day against this defense, but the ease in which he sliced them up in the second half was unsettling. On their last four touchdown drives, the Broncos did not face a single third down. (They were a perfect 12-of-12 on second down during those possessions). When they did get into a third-down situation, they were 5-of-8 on the day.

"I think it is disconcerting," said Chip Kelly. "But you're also playing against an offense that four teams have tried to stop them and haven't yet. I don't have an answer. Is it disconcerting? Yeah."

Indeed, Manning and the Broncos have been unstoppable through the first quarter of the season. Manning has 16 touchdowns and zero interceptions thus far, which ties a record established back in 1960 (Milt Plum) for most TDs without a pick to start a season.

"It was an outstanding offense we faced," said Billy Davis. "We had to make all our checks at the line of scrimmage. No matter what disguise or coverage or defense you were in, he continually checked in and out, we checked out of some of ours.

"We gave him a very similar look on every play and played a lot of different defenses from that same look. We changed a lot of the appearance of the normal defense that we play, and he was on it. He was better than us today, obviously."

It wasn't all about the opponent that they faced, though. The Eagles came in yielding 29 points per game. Davis' unit is giving up a rather stunning 447 yards per contest.

"Everything about the defense has to improve," said Davis. "We're one month in, we know exactly where we are and who we are, and we have to just put our heads down and put our focus on the Giants.

"We got whooped, and we've got to take it like pros and move on."

 

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  • evanphilly

    Rivers solved the D. Reid/Smith solved his D as well. The most quizzical of selections for Kelly when he came aboard was hiring Davis, but is he a Kelly guy or he is a Roseman guy?

    • anon

      available guy that could transition from 4-3 to 3-4

    • Capt. Chippahpants

      He usually installs the system then someone comes in and runs it better. See for example the Arizona Cardinals with Ray Horton. I’m hoping he was a stop gap hire until Chip gets who he really wants.

      • Hurricane

        Here’s hoping that Geno Smith delivers Sexy Rexy (and his platinum chains) to South Broad next season. Billy Davis is a joke.

        • aub32

          I would definitely get behind that move or go for Lovie Smith.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Same, dono why they didn’t get Lovie before Davis, I (and most of us) assumed it was because Lovie wanted to take a year off or be the HC or both..

          • aub32

            I think it has to be that Lovie wanted to be a HC or nothing. He’s collecting 4 million this year anyway. Any money gained as a DC would have just been offset by that. So he would have essentially have been coaching for free.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Right, forgot that $4 mil guaranteed..
            This year he wil definitely be looking again, and I bet he would take an attractive DC job instead of HC.. (I’m not saying Eagles DC is attractive though it could be)

          • aub32

            I also wouldn’t mind Rivera. I doubt he will be brought back next year for the Panthers.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Don’t know much about him, is he a great defensive mind?

          • aub32

            I know he’s a defensive guy, and the Panthers defense looks really good. He’s more of a 4-3 guy though. So I hope Kelly isn’t too stuck in his ways.

          • G_WallyHunter

            What a waste of a year here if they actually decided to revert back to 4-3… Acquisition of soap and Barwin, not exactly pulling in same direction.
            I’d rather have them figure out 3-4, but wouldn’t we all

          • evanphilly

            Think it was both. I’d throw the bank at him to be the DC next year though, or get Rex Ryan here.

          • aub32

            There’s no salary cap for coaches. I say we spend whatever it takes, but I fear they will stick with Davis.

          • G_WallyHunter

            I would support both. Needs to happen if BD doesn’t pull things together..

          • nicksaenz1

            I don’t think Chip hires a former HC as DC because if the D starts to play well and the O struggles for any extended period, an easy replacement at HC is waiting.

          • aub32

            I would think a former HC would be exactly what Chip wants so he doesn’t have to pay any attention at all to the defense. Hell they could be co-HC. Now that’s innovative.

          • pjcostello

            Correct, Lovie didn’t want to take the demotion of being head coach of a 10-6 team to being the DC for anyone; he figured he’d take a year off and be hired again in 2014 as HC.

          • G_WallyHunter

            Ya I remember hearing it.. He likely will get a shot at a team rather than settling for DC job in Philly

        • D-Von Funk

          If- and I think that’s a big ‘if’- Sexy Rexy gets the axe, he would be the ideal replacement, no doubt. Love him or hate him, that man can call a defense. As for Lovie, he’s a Tampa-2 guy through and through, and I think Chip is intent on running a 34. So I don’t see that happening.

          But since we’re talking hypotheticals here, I’ll through a name out there that very likely will be available come next season, and see what people think: Ron Rivera. He has experience running a 43 (in Chicago) and a 34 (in San Diego) and had success with both, plus he has obvious ties to Philly.

          • pjcostello

            I don’t think Rivera (whom I love, by the way) was a very good 3-4 coordinator; I seem to recall his expertise in the 4-3. I could be wrong. I was hoping Carolina would fire him after last season, so we could snag him.

          • BlindChow

            He couldn’t be any worse, could he?

          • pjcostello

            Nope! What I don’t like is the head coach ‘deciding’ what scheme his team will run, essentially forcing a choice on the DC, and the players they have. If they were to hire Rivera, I would rather they let him run whatever system he wants to run, and give him the players to do it — like Reid did with Jom Johnson.

          • D-Von Funk

            Well he was able to parlay his stint as the D-Coordinator of a 34 defense into a head coaching job so he wasn’t that bad. He cut his teeth under the 43 and that’s where his expertise lies, no question. But in his first full year as coordinator the Chargers were a middle of the pack D whereas in his final year they were the top-ranked D in yards allowed, 10th in points allowed, the 1st ranked pass D, the 4th ranked run D, and tied for 2nd in sacks.

            I’m not saying he’s the guy necessarily, but he has ties to the organization, has run both schemes, and has had a heck of a lot more success in doing so than Billy D. If Chip is flexible in having a multiple front D- or even reverting back to a 43- I’m hard-pressed to think of many candidates more worthy than Rivera (provided he’s fired after this year).

          • pjcostello

            I love the guy, and if he were available I’d snag him in a heartbeat. Alas, he was not available. :-(

  • Ken

    A toddler could solve this puzzle.

  • JofreyRice

    Pretty much like “solving” the back of a Highlights magazine, where you can see there’s an upside down sock in the tree.

    • nicksaenz1

      Ha! Highlights, I haven’t seen one of those in years.

    • irvin792

      Love the analogy…. The answers are also on the next page upside down ;) lol

  • aub32

    Was it really that hard to figure out? I mean everyone I sat around knew that the play was either bubble screen right or bubble screen left. Is lining 10 yards off the ball really a disguise?

    • nicksaenz1

      I wondered the same. I don’t recall seeing much press or any jamming of receivers at the line. Nothing was done to disrupt any timing and there was no pass rush, at least not one that was memorable.

      • anon

        I saw a lot of holding by Denver’s CBs — had flashbacks to the SD game when that cost us like 60yds in penalties.

        Everyone said disrupting timing was the key to the D — that and having two game plans. It’s pathetic what we did after 10 games of scheming.

        • nicksaenz1

          There were a few D holding calls that were missed, but it goes both ways, and that wasn’t going to account for 30+ points. I just don’t get all of the zone coverage. A QB like Manning, and there are obviously very few, usually know where they’re going before snapping the ball, thus the show performed pre-snap. Sitting 10yds off the line does nothing to stop or slow Peyton. Teams should study our game to see what never to do.

          • anon

            Agree. Kelly said in his PC that they are really just trying to avoid getting beat on 50 yd bombs. I think they are willing to let the inside stuff and hopefully there’s some tackles and we get a stop.

          • aub32

            Yet we gave up that bomb to Decker pretty easily. Hell, it should have happened twice.

          • nicksaenz1

            I got you. That reasoning still bothers me though. That’s just handing Peyton’s bread to him already buttered.

    • pjcostello

      Nope — it’s calling a defense suited to your players’ skills, that’s all. The defensive calls suck? The PLAYERS suck. If you want to play man, you’d better have really good safeties playing the high middle, which the Eagles do NOT.

      • aub32

        It’s not about playing man. You can still play zone without lining up 10 yards off the ball. We gave up the flat all day. There was never anyone there. Then we were so far back that we had to fight through blocks just to get to a hitch, arroe or bubble screen. I never said anything about playing Man. I said lining up 10 yards off the ball doesn’t help to disguise anything. Why should Peyton care what you’re disguising when he can hit the flat for 8-12 yards a pop.

  • KobraKai7474

    I am NOT going to defend the Eagles defense because they were awful. However, the larger point here is that Chip Kelly’s “system” is predicated on the offense scoring rather the defense stopping the other team. As horrendous as the defense was (and make no mistake, they WERE horrendous), they did enough in the first half to make this a game. The problem was that the offense didn’t hold up their end of the bargain. It goes without saying that a defense is going to start to wear out against Peyton Manning, especially playing at altitude. With an offense generating 3 and outs that take a minute or so, that will just happen even faster. We saw the results in the second half.

    • nicksaenz1

      The altitude isn’t a factor. Chip said so.

  • Token

    The Eagles next 8 opponents are 7-24 right now. The excuse of playing good teams is gone. Time for Chip to show some progress.

    • aub32

      I couldn’t agree more here. I think most rational fans are ok with this start considering our competition. The AFCW is destroying the NFCE all around, outside of the Raiders. Now it’s tie to see how we match up against teams that are in our same weight class. My biggest fear is that I don’t think Davis will adjust this system to fit the personnel. If we don’t stop lining 10 yards off the ball so much, teams are just going to throw screens all day. Also, can we quit with all the cute crap that will never work. Boykin playing OLB and Graham blitzing from the slot are some of the dumbest ideas a DC could have. Some times the reason nobody does something is because it will never work despite how creative you think you are being.

    • EaglePete

      depressing how bad this team is against good competition and this goes back yrs. Its fools gold to always believe they are making progress if its always against bad competition. At least show up at some point against good teams.

  • Finlay Jones

    I disagree with the general premise of this
    article. They had 2 long td drives, one possession less due to the KR TD. On
    the 2 posessions they didn’t score on, they had one possession ruined by decker
    just missing a long TD, then Welker falling over, and the other was in 2 minute
    mode, ruined by a penalty. So 2/3 “normal” drives were tds.

  • Hurricane

    Billy Davis looking like Max Berman from Best In Show…and from what I’ve seen thus far, slightly less competent…

    • Andy

      You never forget the best.

  • D-Von Funk

    A toddler can solve a Billy Davis defense. I didn’t like the hire when it happened and I like it a whole lot less now. “Football people” I have a ton of respect for also didn’t think too highly of the hire. I- like a lot of Eagles fans- wanted Ray Horton. It looks like he’s doing a job in Cleveland. But I digress… Way, way too much soft zone coverage. You HAVE to be able to play press-man in this league. If you look at some of the best defenses in the league- Seattle being the prime example- they play a TON of press-man. After all, I thought that was the rationale in targeting tall, long, physical corners in the off-season but I guess not… This D is putrid, but I think scheme is definitely playing a major role in its failure thus far.

    • pjcostello

      I disagree. I think the problem is personnel, not scheme (yet). I’d love to see them play press coverage, but who is keeping watch over the top? Nate Allen??? LOL!! Even if they had the corners to play press, which I don’t think they do, you NEED those safeties to be able to pick up the receivers deep, which ours cannot.

      • Token

        How can you watch this squad and not think the scheme stinks? You will have to explain that to me. What players fit a 3-4 on this roster? Who can 2 gap?

        • anon

          Or why is the slot corner playing OLB, or blitzing and leaving the best slot WR open for TDs.

          • RIP illa

            Or how about Graham lined up at corner and then coming in on blitz!!! F’N Davis

        • pjcostello

          I AGREE!! But — it’s Chip Kelly who insisted on installing a 3-4 defense, despite the fact that the Eagles don’t have the personnel. That’s not Davis’ call to make. I think it will take them at least another year, and another draft, to get MOST of the players in place to incorporate the 3-4 scheme. I don’t like it, I thought they should’ve stayed with the 4-3.

          • Token

            I have a sick feeling Chip is gonna be gone in a year or two and leave this roster even a bigger mess.

            We already know Howie is a terrible evaluator. But im assuming Chip had a big say in this years draft and FA haul. And its a disaster so far.

          • aub32

            Ok Debbie downer, how can you be so against the scheme, which we both agree has been awful and stupid, then blame Kelly for the personnel. Nate Allen isn’t Kelly’s fault. Wolff is a rookie, a 5th round at that. So he needs time. Fletch and CW aren’t all world, but they haven’t been awful. Also, the scheme is killing them. The same could be said with this 2 gapping D line.

      • Chali

        Scheme is a problem because of you don’t have the personnel, like you state, then why have your 4-3 LB’s cover and your best cover man on the D-Line??? Sorry bro you’re wrong and you even prove that you’re wrong with your post. Yes, we DON’T have the personnel, so you have to adjust the scheme to fit what you have. You don’t put your best cover corner on the D-Line and watching Brandon Graham cover Welker?? Are you serious??

        • pjcostello

          Calm down. Have a Pop-Tart. It’s idiotic, but not unusual — or doesn’t anyone else remember Trent Cole covering RBs in zone blitzes over the last few seasons? Maybe Graham was supposed to maul him at the line, maybe he messed up and was out of position, maybe a dozen things — what’s the point??? You feel good because you can pick out A PLAY that you feel makes your point a valid one…?

          • anon

            He’s run it more than once, he rushed the passer on a quarter of passing plays (yeah i’m as surprised as you were). But i think the point is why would you ever have a play like that given that that CB is guarding the best slot WR in the league. What value is there to Boykin blitzing? It’s never worked.

          • RIP illa

            And to add, he kept running that same stupid blitz to Manning’s frontside. Blindside at least gives you somewhat of a chance.

          • Chali

            Exactly my points. . . You cannot make an excuse for that. We are who are talent wise but don’t make matters worse with the scheme. The Chargers and Chiefs game is a prime example when the announcers of BOTH games explained how they converted 3rd and longs very easily due to the soft coverages. Vinny Curry, where is he? My patience with Davis is running very thin. If he was maybe a college DC I would understand but this guy is a seasoned NFL DC with a not so great track record and he seems to be continuing that track record. In my opinion, we have a right to rant and rave. The crap we’re seeing on defense is like having Marty Mornhinweg all over again, but on defense.

  • http://julianivey.com/ Julian Ivey

    Fire Billy Davis and switch back to a 4-3 defense. We’ve got enough good players to make that work. Vinny Curry and Fletcher Cox on the same line is what we need.

    • pjcostello

      What does that have to do with firing Billy Davis…? It’s the HEAD COACH who decided what defense he wanted to run, and then he hired a guy to help him implement it. Put the cart before the horse. They don’t have the personnel YET to run the 3-4, we all see that, but don’t be firing people after four games with garbage personnel. That’s just dumb.

      • http://julianivey.com/ Julian Ivey

        Right “personnel” or not the defense shouldn’t be this bad with 12 days of preparation. You’re right though. This defensive scheme is on Chip and in the future I will hold him accountable.

        • pjcostello

          I agree, it shouldn’t be this bad. I look at the number of new players, the number of holdovers, and think it’s just a mish-mash of talent — from ‘awful’ to ‘serviceable in the right system’. If Kelly’s goal was to come in and be competitive, they should be running the 4-3; philosophically he prefers the 3-4, and felt it was better to endure a bad defensive year while trying to build the 3-4 than to operate a defense he didn’t like, despite the fact that his personnel were more suited to it. Even in a 4-3, the secondary would still be awful, so from that standpoint I don’t know we’d be in better shape either way. He DID recognize it and brought in 2 safeties AND 2 corners, then drafted another one of each, to go along with the holdovers. Because there were SO many holes to fill, they couldn’t add the ONE good or great player we would’ve liked, but had to add mediocre ones all over the roster.

          • aub32

            Just tell me whose idea it was to have Boykin line up at OLB or Thorton covering Jamaal Charles or Graham blitzing from the slot CB position. That’s who needs to be fired. Chip may want a 3-4, but he doesn’t make defensive calls or micro manage that side of the ball. That’s on Davis.

          • pjcostello

            Why does nayone ‘need to be fired’??? Why the knee-jerk childishness of needing to fire someone??? I’m sure you’d raise holy Hell if your boss fired you for doing something wrong, or boneheaded, or thoughtless. We’re human, and sometimes we screw things up. Sometimes in trying to do the RIGHT thing, like confuse Peyton Manning, we wind up doing the WRONG thing. May we all be as perfect in our jobs as you obviously are in yours.

          • Chali

            You have to be a Billy Davis fanboy or a troll. . . . Brandon Graham covered Welker. . . . You’re best cover corner, Boykin, was on the D-Line blitzing. . . . Wrap that around your head a few times then come back and post.

          • pjcostello

            LMAO!! The last refuge of the incompetent — name-calling. I don’t know Billy Davis from YOU. He could turn out to be crap. But as an ADULT I know that we don’t know anything about him yet; only a child wants to scream and rant and shake their fists after four games with a crap roster. End of story.

          • anon

            Not his first DC job, not the first time he’s ranked last in nearly every defensive statistical category.

          • Chali

            Exactly. “End of story”.

          • Chali

            So I’ll take troll then. After 3 straight losses, yes we know this was suppose to be a rebuilding year, a lot has to do with what Billy Davis is scheming all the way back to the Chargers game. It is a combination of both horrible scheming and lack of talent but we cannot change the lack of talent part, they are who they are. Billy Davis CAN change the scheme. You cannot cover up those mistakes, which are football 101 mistakes, and make excuses like you are doing. We as fans are obviously pissed, and it seems you are purposely trying to get a rise out of people on here who see the *obvious* mistakes and point them out. We’re tired of seeing gimmick schemes a la Mornhinweg / Reid. With the lack of talent we have, don’t add fuel to the fire by having your DE cover one of the best slot receivers in the NFL. I don’t see how you can defend that, or make an excuse for a guy who comes from such a reputable defensive school as Dick LeBeau and is touted as being a very seasoned defensive mind. So I believe every fan on here has a right to be angry and upset. Nobody here is thinking they are “the center of the universe”. You seem to have some personal vendetta going on? We’ll definitely see what Billy Davis is made of against an 0-4 Giants team next week.

          • anon

            He’s used this scheme the last 3 weeks, it’s never worked. Williams blitzed and got a sack v. washington and now Billy is just running that to death.

            I think it can be a good play. CB bltizes and then a safety basically plays CB. But our CBs can’t cover and Boykin will never be able to pressure anyone, he’s too small. I won’t even start using him as OLB.

          • pjcostello

            I look at it this way: It’s this guy’s JOB to stop the other team’s offense. He’s not in the ‘let them score as many times as they can’ business. MAYBE he sucks at his job. MAYBE he just doesn’t have good-enough players. MAYBE it’s a combination of both. My only point throughout this entire thread is: WE DON’T KNOW. But our instant-gratification childishness demands that we call for his firing, that we run him out of town as an incompetent idiot, that we flex our beer muscles because we all know better than everyone else. That’s the part I resist, because as an ADULT, I understand that I am not the center of the Universe, and I don’t know everything.

          • anon

            I think it’s definitely both, but his track record doesn’t really make you want to give him the benefit of the doubt. But we’re dropping 27 a game and he’s creating mismatches that aren’t in the team’s favor.

  • Cyrus Robinson

    Disguising is stupid if you can’t execute. It doesn’t matter if Peyton doesn’t know who is going to be covering who or blitzing if everybody is open anyways.

  • Adam

    This guy is making a bad defense look even worst. Terrible. Welker and Thomas running free all over the place. No one played the flats. Sopoaga playing a 3rd of the snaps.

  • Ray

    Man we suck.

  • Rick H

    The Eagles were not going to beat the broncos period! We all knew this in July. What we didn’t know in July was the disheartening fact that the Defensive Coordinator Davis is a bust. Bad schemes/bad adjustment/ using the wrong players… it goes on and on.
    I see the defensive players demeanor and they don’t buy into this system at all. They are wasting COX/KENDRICKS/COLE/BOYKIN/CURRY/RYANS/THORNTON…
    Davis is not a DC!!!
    This year the Eagles are/were not going anywhere and that was okay if you saw a good system and foundation in place. Offensively the system is a good one. Special teams has really slipped the last two weeks after an excellent start.
    The defensive system is flawed in everyway you can imagine starting “most importantly” with Davis! That is the most depressing thing looking forward to the Eagles future. The Eagles are stuck with him.
    In my opinion the EAGLES FRONT OFFICE does not have the courage to fire him after one year because it will make their organization look bad. The end result is more of the same. Possibly two or three years at a minimum with this guy and that is depressing.

    • EaglePete

      I hope youre wrong. Chip doesnt have time to play nice, he and mgmt can fire him/replace if they want to. After seeing this sh..show they shouldnt hesitate.

    • anon

      Bust means you had high expectations in the first place.

  • pjcostello

    I’m not sure it’s fair to blame Billy Davis. I’m watching the same games you all are, and am big an Eagles’ fan as any of you. :-) I watch a LOT of football, and frankly I don’t think we can evaluate Davis just yet. The defensive roster, with VERY few exceptions, is just awful… the Reid regime left us so many holes to fill that doing so properly was NOT going to be possible in one offseason. We had to bring in so many free agents just to fill the roster that we couldn’t spend the money on ‘quality’ — it needed to be spent on ‘quantity’. Cary Williams and Bradley Fletcher were available as free agents for a reason — ditto Patrick Chung, Isaac Sopoaga, and on and on. It’s just not fair to expect a brand-new staff to come in and make chicken salad out of the other stuff in one season. Next offseason we’ll rotate out some of the guys who cannot play, bring some fresh and talented faces in (via free agency and the draft), and be better than we are this year. It’s been a long time, and people forget that you don’t BUY a championship team, you BUILD one.

    Manning gave Jim Johnson fits, too, for years… I recall an interview with JJ where he talked about picking your poison as regards defending Peyton: Cover, or blitz? He tried both ways, neither worked. Billy Davis is no JJ, but JJ got whacked by Peyton, too. Just take a deep breath and have some patience.

    • Token

      Well you watch a LOT of football. How often do you see LBs blitzing from the slot corner spot? How bout playing possibly your best corner 60% of snaps and then blitzing him as a OLB for about 25% of that time? What about sitting one of your only lineman who can disrupt things?

      Its not only the players. An awful scheme and bad ideas are making bad players look even worse.

      Somehow, the Eagles keep getting worse at the DC spot when it looks like its impossible to do so.

      • pjcostello

        In the 3-4 defense, I see LBs blitzing from that spot quite often — albeit BETTER than Graham did it!! I think the guy is trying everything he can think of to patch together enough plays on defense to get the ball back to the offense. He has dreck players, and they’re struggling mightily. I do NOT think that knee-jerk reactions and calls for someone’s job and/or head after four games with a terrible roster should be the rule of the day, either.

        • Token

          Whats funny, Ive heard this same type of thing for about 4 seasons now.

      • EaglePete

        ha that last sentence is great

      • BlindChow

        Maybe when Davis is fired they can promote Trash Can to DC.

        • RIP illa

          Trash can should be our starting NT!!!

    • RIP illa

      Your whole initial premise of quality v quantity is complete BS…complete, utter BS!
      1) We’re 20 mil something under the cap!
      2) Cap resources/draft resources allocated on players who provide no significant upgrade nor significant play at all (Casey, Barkley, etc)!
      3) The money that we spent on the FA D acquisitions could have been spent on there better counterparts. Seeing as how in FA this past offseason, those same better counterparts, were signed by other teams for similar amounts that we signed our guys for.

      • pjcostello

        Hey, I didn’t say they did a good job — I don’t believe they did. All I am saying is that they had a LOT of holes to fill, particularly on defense and special teams, and it wasn’t possible to fill them all with Pro Bowl players. Next year they will be better than this year, and so on.

  • B-West

    We knew two things going in… The defense is terrible and Peyton and Company are ROLLING right now. So, how are we so bitter about the results? Peyton hung 49 on the Ravens without any special teams help. And they piled the points on Oakland (37) and NYG (41).

    I know those teams aren’t very good, but Hello! (Herm Edwards voice), the Eagles aren’t very good right now either.

    I got faith that they go 3-1 in this next quarter and we’re sitting at 4-4 midseason.

    • RIP illa

      How bout cause you could literally see players giving up and packing it in during the game. No shame in losing, but the way we lost…plenty of shame to be had!!!

  • Token

    Media and fans getting all over Cox. Of all people. Ridiculous IMO.

    • BlindChow

      He gave up at least 2 first downs without even making the Broncos run a play first.

  • irvin792

    For so many final roster spots used for guys who can play special teams…….they are not looking so hot either, we are just failing to execute on all levels…. This defensive scheme and play calls are shooting the playmakers we have on defense in the foot……

  • irvin792

    Omaha! *encroachment* :(

    • anon

      Peyton’s just crazy with it.

      • irvin792

        Yea he is , I think he even says that in his Buick commercial but they made him stop as the film crew kept starting and stopping the recording too early. ;)

    • EaglePete

      so were all 3 encroachment? or were any of them false starts? I asked in another post but didnt get an answer. I was at game so couldnt tell and am curious. I assumed Peyton got em with snap count but not all 3.

      • anon

        I’d have to re-watch but it seemed like the were encroachments, but i also wouldn’t have doubted that they got favorable calls.

        • EaglePete

          cool thanks to both of you. Not that it would make a hige difference in game. I was irrate at the PI in the endzone, horrible call. There were about 6 penalties on Eagles to 0 or 1 of Broncos at one point towards end of half.

      • Grizz84

        They were encroachment, Cox was guilty of 2 if not all 3

      • macadood

        to me it looked like cox and other along the D line definitely jumped a bit, but this happened on many snaps where the D linemen twitched a bit but got back before the snap.

        on the ones they were called for the Denver O-Line definitely sold it hard to the officials. they clearly weren’t ‘afraid’ of the D lineman coming across the line to engage them and get after the defenseless quarterback, as the D linemen just twitched up and tried to get back, but the smart O-linemen just stood up quickly and reached their hands across the LOS so that the were ‘touched’ by the D line and thus encroachment called. kind of BS but within the rules i suppose.

  • Hurricane

    Seems like Davis apprenticed under Emmitt Thomas instead of Capers/LeBeau/Cowher..

  • Max Lightfoot

    Blaming Bill Davis? That’s like having a defensive cupboard full of Spam and expecting Bill to serve up Chateaubriand for din-din! Get real, folks! This is a rebuilding year, and it will be painful in spots. Sheesh!

    • BlindChow

      Having Boykin blitz from an ILB spot on the goal line while Welker walks in for a touchdown? Convert that one to a food analogy.

      • Richard Colton

        its like going to a resturant where the food isn’t very good, ordering the least expensive thing on the menu, eating the napkin and the pepper shaker, then leaving before the waiter comes back.

      • Max Lightfoot

        Well, there were so many bad plays it’s hard to even start a list. Just sayin’. You need to give this guy a full season with this crew – if Davis is clueless after 16 games and absolutely nothing gels with this defense, yeah – I’d agree with you. But every time you switch DCs, you lose a year. We ran into a Mile-High bandsaw yesterday. Too early to panic, I say. And at least one good defensive draft away. I can live with 6-10 this year. Can you? Or are you ready to buy Super Bowl tickets? How far do you think they were gonna go this season? I love my Birds, but this is rebuilding with a capital R. I mean, just look at Andy Reid’s (and Howie’s) defensive drafts – after next year, that is no longer an excuse for Chip and Howie Baby – but look what the big guy left us this past season. Hang in there BC, ’cause it’s gonna be painful some Sundays. Go Eags!

  • Jon

    Should we be looking for a new DC?

    • anon

      Who should we consider? Not sure if there’s much talent on the market.

    • RIP illa

      For next season…yeah. No choice but to let Davis finish out now.

  • Token

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  • BostonianEagle

    I don’t get why anyone thinks the Eagles’ defense did such an average job of containing the Broncos’ offense in the first half. Of the four drives that they had, the 1st and 3rd drive ended up with touchdowns, the 2nd drive almost had a 70+ yard touchdown and would have converted a third down if Welker didn’t stumble, and the 4th drive was stalled by a bonehead unsportsmanlike penalty when the Broncos were inside the red zone. The Eagles were lucky it wasn’t 35-13 after the first half!

  • Weapon Y

    I understand that many people are scared that Lane Johnson will be a bust. It’s natural to feel that way, especially after getting burned by the Danny Watkins pick. But I’m much higher on Johnson than I was for Watkins. In the preseason, Johnson dominated the New England and Carolina d-linemen. He had an ok 3rd preseason game and MNF game, but has stunk after that. What that tells me is clearly he has the ability to play in the NFL. He’s already shown it. His issues are mental, not ability. I’d rather it that way because you can fix mental issues, but you can’t teach talent. I’m normally as cynical as the next guy, but I’ll still tell you Johnson will be a damn good lineman. Maybe it’ll take some time, but he’ll get there. He’s too talented not to.