All-22: Examining Michael Vick’s Issues

When Chip Kelly was asked to evaluate Michael Vick’s performance against the Kansas City Chiefs, the word he used was okay.

Okay is generally coach-speak for: He didn’t play well, but it’s unfair to place all the blame on one guy.

And that’s true. The offensive line had too many issues. Wide receivers struggled to get open consistently. The defense couldn’t get off the field during an 8-minute, 15-second stretch in the fourth quarter. And special teams suffered a variety of miscues.




But one week after throwing for 423 yards and completing nearly 64 percent of his passes against the Chargers, Vick was just 13-for-30 with three turnovers against the Chiefs.

What were some of his issues? Let's take a look, starting with his first-quarter interception.

In last week's post on DeSean Jackson, we showed how the Eagles used the same look/concept against the Chargers on four different occasions and had a lot of success.

That's the same look/concept they used on the interception against KC.

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It's a 3x1 look. Against San Diego, Jackson often lined up as the isolated receiver to one side of the formation. Here, he's on the outside on the right side. The Eagles are going to run the "stick" concept to that side of the field (explained here by Chris Brown). Jackson runs a fade down the sideline. Jason Avant runs a short out. And Brent Celek runs a stick, going straight ahead and then turning around.

On the other side of the field, Riley Cooper has single coverage running a fade down the sideline.

The advantage of this concept, as explained by Brown, is that it works against a variety of coverages.

The two key defenders are circled in yellow. There's a single-high safety, meaning Vick will have a shot to get the ball to Cooper down the sideline one-on-one. And linebacker Derrick Johnson is lurking in the middle of the field. He doesn't have man-coverage responsibilities and is going to read Vick.

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Here, you can see Vick is staring Celek down from the second the ball is in his hands.

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When Vick starts to release the ball, Johnson is breaking in front of Celek. He gets his hands on the pass, which pops in the air before safety Eric Berry makes the interception.

"What hurt so much about that play was that I knew exactly what I needed to do," Vick said. "I had press coverage on one side and I just tried to take the easy way out. If I just throw the fade on the other side, it never happens. I didn't make a good throw. I made a poor decision, and it was a bad ball. It was something that I'll learn from, and I'll never second-guess myself like that again."

Here's what Vick is talking about.

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He has a shot deep to Cooper with the safety in the middle of the field. In hindsight, that's where Vick thought he should have gone with the ball.

"I pre-determined what I was going to do, and then I second-guessed myself," Vick said. "I had the right decision that I was going to make in my mind. It was the correct decision, and then I tried to do something else out of the box, and it didn't work out for me."

If he was going to throw the stick to Celek, Vick shouldn't have stared him down the entire time, and he needed to get rid of the ball sooner.

***

On Vick's second interception, he threw behind Cooper on a post. He did the same thing earlier in the game (pictured here).

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As was the case all game long, the Chiefs have man coverage on Cooper, who's going to run a downfield post, breaking in at about the 35.

There was no great angle to capture the throw, but here you can see Cooper is reaching back as cornerback Sean Smith breaks it up.

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It's not as if Cooper created great separation, but Vick's throw didn't even give him a chance to make a play.

"Did he miss some throws? Yeah," Kelly said. "In the opening game, he missed a couple throws, too. But, I mean, he's still right now playing at a pretty good level.  I think that's the one thing with that position, you're always going to get scrutinized.  It comes with the territory. Mike knows that. I know that. That's part of this deal.

"We expect them to be perfect on every play, put the ball in the proper location, make the proper read.  Sometimes that doesn't happen."

There were several instances Thursday where pressure affected Vick, but as you can see, this was not one of them.

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He has a nice clean pocket with which to deliver the ball, but is off-target. The interception later was similar. The ball was thrown behind Cooper on a post, and Smith picked it off.

"He threw the ball on the back shoulder," Kelly said. "More of a location situation.  If he puts the ball out in front of him, I think we've got a good throw.

"Everything is close in this league.  His location on that particular play wasn't where it should have been."

***

One of Vick's greatest strengths is his ability to make plays when protection breaks down. For example, there was this play in the second where Jason Peters got beaten by Tamba Hali. In the first shot, it looks like Vick has no chance and it's a sure sack.

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But Vick does an excellent job of escaping, creates space for himself and keeps his eyes downfield.

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The problem? Vick has Bryce Brown (blue circle) wide-open down the sideline. He doesn't see him and instead makes a much more difficult throw to Cooper (yellow circle), who has a defender nearby.

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The issue here is not the throw. Vick gave Cooper a chance to make a play, and he didn't. But Vick made things more difficult on himself by not targeting Brown and clearly was not seeing the whole field.

***

And finally, in the third, Vick had a chance to hit Jackson for a touchdown. Here, you can see how aggressively the Chiefs are playing the Eagles.

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This was the case all game long. Kansas City has 10 defenders within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. The Chiefs are well-equipped to play the run and are challenging the Eagles' receivers at the line of scrimmage with just one deep safety.

Avant is going to run a post and occupy the safety. Jackson is going to run a double-move, a hitch-and-go.

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Vick has the right read, delivers a fake when Jackson makes his first move and has great protection.

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The problem? He sails his throw out of bounds. Jackson had a step too, as you can see below.

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Cornerback Brandon Flowers is trailing Jackson. With a good throw, this is a touchdown. Instead, it's an incompletion. And the Eagles ended up settling for a field goal on the drive.

***

There were protection issues and times where Vick had nowhere to go with the ball. We'll tackle those in the next post. But overall, the QB didn't execute plays when he had them. And he made too many mistakes. That resulted was a 16-point output for the offense and a second straight loss.

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  • theycallmerob

    I bet Jeff Garcia would love this offense. Is he still available?…..

  • Richard Colton

    Reilly Cooper is not a starting WR on a superbowl offense. He hasn’t made a play all year. And the O-line played their worst game of the season so far. None of those things excuse Vick, but they are reasons.

    Is there anyone left who thinks the Eagles have their Super Bowl QB on the roster? I’m pretty sure he’s still playing on Saturday.

    • Token

      Yea this next draft is make or break for Kelly. Hes has to not only pick the right QB, but start rebuilding this awful defense with a bunch of solid picks. Hopefully Howie isnt the GM by then.

      • qazer

        Oh god, please stop. Three games and you’re already busting out with the “next draft is make or break.” Thank god the Eagles don’t listen to their fans. So many of us are idiots.

        • Token

          yea, thank god for that. They have done such a great job of winning titles over the years. They obviously have it all figured out. No need to worry or judge.

          • qazer

            I guess you’re right; Kelly did a really poor job of building this team over the last several years. He deserves to be on a short leash after that 4-12 season he coached them to last year, and after he made so many draft mistakes in 2011 and 2012.

          • #7

            lmao

        • evanphilly

          New regime. Next year will be Kelly’s second draft and there will be more roster turnover. he should also get his QB in the draft, so expect at least two more years of Kelly, which he should get regardless of what happens this year. Also, I think Howie is GM in title only. I am convinced that Gamble and Kelly run things more than Howie does.

          • EaglePete

            yup sounds about right. That being said I often wonder if CK will make it that far. Coming from the chill northwest to the insanity of the east coast and the annoyance factor and pressure will mount by year 3 regardless of being afforded that time or not. It really is something to consider with some of these college coaches making the move. Too early to even guess at this point but not out of the realm.

          • Token

            With the Texas job open he may bolt after this year you really never know. He doesnt seem like the type of guy to do that, but thats one of the best jobs in college football.

          • jamesbondage

            Chip is actually an East Coast guy who was transplanted in the West Coat. I think he can handle the pressure

          • Dutch

            Well they had better get on the ball because the stiffs brought in, during Free Agency is not impressive or indicative of an organization who understands contributing talent. One of those signed has been released, another is crying about getting playing time, and when he was featured he dropped a touchdown, Barwin touted as a pass cover ace at linebacker has been railroaded the last two games for 16 to 20 receptions by Backs and Tight Ends.

            The Eagles knew they were rebuilding a defense and should have done better than they did signing serviceable talent. Now we are reduced to playing the best defenders on the squad out of position.

        • #7

          We’d really be in the toilet then

      • Adam

        Lurie has already said Kelly is going to given leeway, especially this season. There’s no make or break next year.

      • philliesfan123

        Hopefully your right, and this draft is make or break for Roseman. Since 2005 the Eagles have drafted 78 players, ( not including 2013 draft ) and only 3 pro bowlers. All three were before Howie had any control of the draft. Their were 33 players drafted between 2010 and 2012 ( Roseman took over as GM in 2010 ) with zero pro bowlers, and very few bona fide starters drafted. The absolute wasted drafts of 2010 and 2011, combined with the 2010 through 2013 free agents, have set this team back at least 5 years. That’s ” IF ” they fire Roseman and let Gamble run the draft!

        • B-West

          What input would you say Reid had on those drafts? Maybe put a percentage on it.

        • Adam

          Sorry to tell you but Howie isn’t on a make a break year. Lurie wouldn’t gut the entire FO except for 1 guy, let him spearhead a campaign to successfully bring in the hottest coaching commodity in the past while, and essentially absolve him for what was done by previous regime if he was on a short leash. Whether you fans like him or not is irrelevant. Lurie likes Roseman for whatever reason and he isn’t going anywhere.

        • Maggie

          Here we go again. All draft or trade choices that didn’t work out well are completely 100% Howie’s fault. No input from coaches or scouts or the personnel department. Of course any draft or trade choice that is working is somehow on someone else. Get real.

      • knighn

        Damn. I wish the Cowboys would have given up on Jimmy Johnson as quickly as you’re ready to give up on Chip Kelly. Historical context:
        T. Landry 1985 – 10-6
        T. Landry 1986 – 7-9
        T. Landry 1987 – 7-8
        T. Landry 1988 – 3-13
        J. Johnson 1989 – 1-15
        J. Johnson 1990 – 7-9
        J. Johnson 1991 – 11-5, won wild card, lost divisional round
        J. Johnson 1992 – 13-3, won Super Bowl
        J. Johnson 1993 – 12-4, won Super Bowl
        B. Switzer 1994 – 12-4, lost Conference Championship
        B. Switzer 1995 – 12-4, won Super Bowl

        Look at that: if that bastard Jimmy Johnson would have just quit after his 2nd or 3rd year, those damn Cowboys probably wouldn’t have those 3 Super Bowl wins.

        Here’s hoping that Chip Kelly turns out to be our Jimmy Johnson… except with the Visor instead of the hair helmet.

        • Token

          He found his QB after that first year though right? Do you think he would of had that success if he didnt?

          • knighn

            And a Troy Aikman was available in the draft or free agency in 2013?

          • Token

            If by Aikman you mean franchise QB, then yes there is. Just gotta make the right pick.

          • knighn

            No, by “an Aikman” I mean a QB clearly capable of leading the team to post-season success. Those guys were NOT there in the 2013 draft.
            Here is where the Eagles can learn a lesson from our neighbors down I-95 – Shanahan and the Washington Team did NOT spend high draft picks on a QB until they found a QB worth the High Draft Picks.
            Neither EJ Manuel nor Geno Smith will lead their teams to the Super Bowl. RGIII may do that for Washington once he is healthy again (and when Washington gets a better defense). If the Eagles spent a high pick in the 2013 draft it would have been a wasted pick. Many fans are glad they did not. Apparently you would have preferred one of those lackluster QBs?

    • defeatist

      yes… that’s why Riley Cooper is on THIS offense…

      • Maggie

        Riley Cooper is on this offense because he is here. You seem to forget that there are 31 other teams all after the same thing, all trying to upgrade their personnel. AND the second most productive receiver on this team is INJURED. Amazing how FACTS are so conveniently forgotten.

    • Weapon Y

      It would be really convenient if Foles or Barkley got some playing time and did really well. Or if Vick played the rest of the games the way did weeks 1-2. In that case, the Eagles wouldn’t have to spend a 1st round draft pick on a QB, and could upgrade the defense instead. But obviously, you can’t force something that isn’t there. If we know that Vick, Foles, and Barkley are not the answer, then let’s go all in for Teddy, Tajh, Johnny, Marcus, or the kid from UCLA.

      • Token

        Well after a few more losses Foles and/or Barkley need to play the rest of the way. I want the thought they either could be the guy out of Chips mind come April. He needs to be focused on picking a legit QB in the draft.

        Boyd seems to be having a worse year so far right? Bridgewater is probably out of play for us. Manzeil blows. It basically leaves us Mariota who I really dont know anything about. And I guess a few others im not familiar with yet.

        • evanphilly

          Depending on what happens the next three games will determine Vick and his fate, If the Eagles are 3-3, then they keep Vick for the home game against the Cowboys. 2-4 or worse, then Foles/Barkley should get the nod.

          Bridgewater may go #1 overall, depending on who gets the pick. The QB from UCLA will go high as well, I look for Cleveland to maybe package both 1st rounders they have to grab him, depending on where the Colts finish. Maybe they will be high enough to get him with their pick.

          I can’t come on here and say Manziel blows, because who knows how he will translate to the NFL. If he is in THIS type of offense, he may do really well, but if he is in a Pro-style type, then he may fail. Things about him I don’t like include his size, durability and his accuracy is somewhat lacking, lest he rolls out of the pocket which he can do VERY well. He also seems to have leadership qualities out the wazoo, so that could translate well. Regardless, Kelly and his future depend on this draft

          • Token

            Manziel isnt a NFL QB. Hes 5-10 160lbs regardless of what the college measurements say. Sandlot QB. Chip wouldnt touch him I dont think. Hes the opposite of what I think he would want. Kid doesnt know what playing in a system means. Arm isnt that great. He is a more accurate Tim Tebow but a miniature version. This is not even factoring in the entitled, immature personality.

          • evanphilly

            Well, Chip recruited Manziel (verbal to join Oregon, went to A&M) before Marriotta, so there is that. And yes, that is the big thing: the maturity. Also the hype that he would bring. It would be above Tebow-level hype

          • Adam

            Hopefully after a year of Vick Chip will realize a sandlot QB simply isn’t good enough in the NFL.

          • Dutch

            What you call sandlot is actually dual threat quarterbacks which are the current preference in college at big time football factories and are the better QBs being turned out into the NFL today.

            Chip Kelly introduction to the national stage was courtesy of “Sandlot Quarterbacks”…….. it’s doubtful he’s going to abandon the philosophy that buttered his bread now. More than anything it’s probable his strategy to keep a dual threat QB on the bench as an understudy and replacement.

          • Token

            You think Kelly had sandlot QBs at Oregon? Theres a pretty big difference between Dual Threat and Sandlot. One plays within a system the other freelances.

            I want a Dual Threat guy if its in the mold of a Andrew Luck or a Wilson. Guys that are athletic enough to pick up yards if they have to. But thats not comparable to guys who want to run instinctively.

            Basically you want a passer with some ability to run. Not a runner with some ability to pass.

          • Dutch

            Yes, Kelly ran the ball 65% of the time. He didn’t have pocket passing QBs running that offense. No legitimate multiple star recruit would accept a scholarship to Oregon. Oregon doesn’t and have not yet developed a passing QB who has come into the NFL and made a credible difference in anything other than a practice squad participant or deep back up if active on game days.

          • #7

            Token…sigh. Man forget it. I don’t feel like it today. You just live for the day that Vick has a bad game so you can “critique” it. You hardly ever say that you were disappointed in the loss or that you wanted/thought we could win. You never mention the o-line getting manhandled..even by their own admission. You live to critique Vick.

            We got it bro

          • Adam

            To be a dual threat you actually have to be able to make reads and tough throws in coverage.

          • Dutch

            Which of Chip Kelly’s QBs at Oregon or anywhere else qualifies as being an accurate passer capable of making tough throws through tight windows? That’s never been the offense he’s run. Vick’s the most talented passer Kelly’s ever coached and a legitimate dual threat.

          • #7

            No doubt about that

          • Dutch

            Well because he’s under 6′ Feet, neither is Russell Wilson, or Jeff Garcia a NFL QB according to your above criteria….. Some of you guys were railing against Manuel and Geno Smith being NFL Quarterbacks.

            Manziel went to Texas A&M only because he didn’t want to go out to Oregon to play for Chip Kelly and be so far away from Texas, friends and his parents.

          • anon

            Please i couldn’t imagine what these posts would be like if we had drafted G. Smith, he’s not good.

          • Dutch

            At this point in the season and in Smith’s 3 game career, the Eagles don’t have a better option than Geno Smith maybe other than Vick.

          • Token

            How in anyway does Wilson compare to Manzeil? Height wise maybe. Wilson is a thicker guy in general.

            But they play QB totally differently.

          • Dutch

            That’s exactly what I was alluring to, his height. Dan Marino likewise was discounted because of his height and Drew Brees was traded because the Chargers questioned his height as compared to Phillip River’s

          • Token

            Marino was damn near prototype size.

            Again, you think Manzeil is Brees? Forget the height thing. The kid cant play NFL level ball.

          • #7

            Token how do you know man? I’m not for drafting Johnny Football, but I just want to know how you know that he can’t play in the NFL.

          • Maggie

            Token knows everything there is to know about college quarterbacks. And everything else, for that matter, lol.

          • Dutch

            Brees is a pocket QB, Manziel is a dual threat to vastly different skill sets. They are in no way interchangeable in an offense. Marino was listed at 6′ 4″, no way Marino was taller than 6’0 at least when he was not wearing cleats. Duper and Clayton were only 5’8 and 5’9 and Marion was barley taller than either of them.

            The entire dialogue was dictated around Height, how is it now time to forget their height?

          • Richard Colton

            Damn, that high top fade is amazing

          • Dutch

            Manziel doesn’t have accuracy problems, the kid is a winner point blank, period. You may not like him because of the gossip spilling over the airwaves, but the kid is on target and an interesting player to watch. As a freshmen he connected on nearly 70% of his passes and now this new season is up around 68% which discredits any rambling about his accuracy. And no, like Vick Manziel is not a pure pocket passer and has never been nor been recruited to be.

            Unlike Bridgewater, Manziel plays in a good conference against some of the top talent in the Nation, conversely Bridgewater is good but there is some question about the level of competition he faces in Conference USA

            Before Dan Marino came out of Pittsburgh the discussion on his abilities, size and intelligence were exactly the same as the talk in small circles about Manziel.

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            I wouldn’t want Manziel ’cause he’s a spoiled rotten brat. Nothing to with talent I just see he’s a few boneheaded decisions away from a 4 game suspension.

          • aub32

            Vick shouldn’t be sat for 2-4. Washington made the Playoffs after starting 3-6 last year. Some of you have really unrealistic expectations. You make it seem like Vick had 2 bad games in a row. The Chargers loss was not on Vick. He had one poor game. He could be great against the Broncos and still lose. Some of you need to calm down. Half the division is 0-3.

          • #7

            When you have so many people on here that want Vick gone, this is what happens. I say it all of the time.

            We are not dead yet. We’re 1-2 for God sakes, not 0-3, yet Token comes on here and starts all the college QB crap. Who gives a F about that right now 3 weeks into the season. Except him and his clan

          • Dutch

            Vick’s going to put up good games and numbers against a lot of teams the Eagles are going to lose to this season. At any point Foles has to take over this offense, it’s shut down. Without the threat of Vick pulling that ball and running there is no reason as a defense not to focus in on Shady every time the ball is transferred from the Center to the Quarterback.

            DJax in that instance is negated as a deep threat and the receipt to beat the eagles is stacking the box and man to man coverage.

          • #7

            That is where we missed Maclin big time. Maclin would have had single coverage all day

          • Dutch

            You’re going to be missing DJax also if Foles has to take over for any reason. Why play DJax Deep when Foles can’t connect with him beyond 10 yds…….. notice how Bowe wasn’t a factor against the Eagles as Smith threw balls no more than 8 yds with the exception ot 2 to Avery. And Bowe is and has always been a guy who can stretch defenses.

            The best option would be barkley, bum shoulder and all over Foles.

          • #7

            Damn bro lol. I wouldn’t say that. Foles isn’t that bad man lol. I think Barkley sucks man. That arm is WEAK

          • Dutch

            Foles is that bad, you guys just have not gotten an extended look. He was in preseason under a rush no different than the fragile kid that wilted during his 6 game stretch in 2012. This game is to fast for him. Cleveland had the same scenario with Weedon. They thought he showed something last year he obviously doesn’t possess in 2013. They knew they weren’t fooling anyone and anyone that wants to take a flier on Weedon can, he’s available for the right draft pick.

            The Eagles had better follow that chain or thinking with Nick Foles.

            Get something before his shelf life expires………

          • #7

            I watched all of the preseason games and I agree, but I think he’s better the Barkley…at least

          • aub32

            If anyone wants to see a hint of what DJ will be under Foles, they should look at how Bowe has performed under A. Smith.

          • #7

            And then you have bad DJax again. That can straight up sink a team. We’ve all seen it happen in 2011

          • Maggie

            Recipe.

          • Richard Colton

            barring injury, why sit him at all? Foles/Barkley haven’t shown the coaches enough in practice, otherwise they would be starting.

    • evanphilly

      To be fair, Cooper has 1 TD this year, so he has made at least 1 play. But he only has 6 catches (16 targets) for 68 yards and only 3 YAC. Not his fault that Benn and Maclin went down, and at best he is a 3rd/4th receiver. He is being asked to play above his paygrade, so to say.

      • Richard Colton

        Nothing special about that TD catch, but I think we’re saying the same thing. He doesn’t use his body to get separation. He doesn’t have great hands. Seriously – if Benn and Maclin don’t go down, I wonder if he makes the team.

        • BlindChow

          Actually, it was a contested catch, not a gimme. Had a guy’s arm across his face. At the very least, none of our tight ends would have caught it…

          • Richard Colton

            just looked again. good call.

          • Dutch

            That is Cooper’s strength, shielding smaller defenders from the ball with his body because he’s not going to win any foot races to a spot, but he needs to learn some roughhouse tactics to out fight close defenders like going for a rebound in basketball.

            Celek has that advantage also, but if he’s not learned his height is a tool that can benefit him in all this time, he will never.

    • QB Pessimist

      That is correct! Marcus Mariota is still playing on Saturdays!

    • Engwrite

      I hope he isn’t playing on Fridays. (our SB QB)

      • jshort

        good one!

    • saunhi

      Most/ALL QB’s become inaccurate and make mental errors when they lose confidence in their protection (AKA get beaten up). Their focus changes from reading the play to trying to stay alive. KC can definitely manhandle an O-line and punish the QB.

  • morgan c

    Wow. This is an alarming indictment of Vick. The evidence speaks for itself. Not seeing Bryce Brown on that third example is just horrid. Absolutely no excuse. Again, with Vick, we just have to hope the good version shows up the majority of the time and the line makes it easy on him. He has proved too many times that he can’t reliably read a defense, see the field, and make accurate throws. This will be a frustrating season.

    • Rational Birds Fan

      All QBs leave plays on the field, especially if one is ad-libbing after the designed play breaks down as in that Bryce Brown case. He clearly made a number of (costly) mistakes, but don’t lose site of the good while focusing on the negative plays. Vick rushed for 99 yards yesterday, and looked pretty damn good passing in 2/3 games.

      I agree that Vick is flawed, and can often be extremely frustrating, but by the same token can also be exceedingly entertaining. He’s not going to be on this team long term, so I would advise to try and lower your expectations and enjoy what seems to be a highly entertaining offense of a team in a re-building year.

      • GreenBleedin

        If this is a rebuilding year, then we should have the quarterback playing who will be there when we are rebuilt. Vick will never be the long term solution. Foles or Barkley may be. If we are going to rebuild, then do it with focus.

        What good is it to spend a season with no chance of having your QB of the future?

        • A Roy

          If the QBF is Barkley, he’s not yet ready. He needs a year to get stronger and pass with authority. Why put him in a position to fail? From what I saw of Foles last year, he is not the future.

          • EaglePete

            both of you are right, CK needs to test his system really with the best QB and thats Vick right now. He will ride him a while longer before pulling him and one bad game is not a call for anything.

        • Maggie

          Almost every quarterback who became “elite” started his NFL career on the bench. Waiting his turn, carrying a clipboard, whatever.

    • BlindChow

      Yeah, last year he had a real problem taking wide-open checkdowns. One thing he did well in the first two preseason games this year was take the underneath (usually McCoy) when the deeper guys were covered. He didn’t do that in K.C. and ended up looking like last year’s Vick.

    • Adam

      Yep.. pretty clear Vick knows what he wants to do before the snap and sticks with it. This comes from his limited football IQ and I doubt we’ll see anything change.

      • G_WallyHunter

        But it’s a new system and a new coach! surely that will fix his mental miscues…

      • aub32

        He’s been good on his reads thus far. He made a mistake. He made the right decision other times in the game but made a poor throw. You can’t say he predetermined the scramble throw. It was a broken play. I doubt there are many QBs who can go through progressions while running for their life.

        • hawaiieaglesfan

          Yes the good thing about Vick is that he can extend plays with his legs that would normally be dead with the average qb. He also has a cannon arm. Not a hail mary cannon but a on a rope cannon arm.

        • Adam

          I’m not basing it off that one game. He’s always been doing that. His former OC in Atlanta says that Vick is at his best with as little reads as possible. Can’t handle too many. This isn’t anything new.

          • aub32

            Agreed he does not need to have many reads, but I doubt he is choosing his targets before the snap that often. We have seen much more evidence to the contrary.

      • #7

        I swear you people act like these NFL players are robots lol. Even the great Tom Brady leaves plays on the field. You’re just being super negative right now. Typical

        • hawaiieaglesfan

          Totally agree with u. Fair weather fans SMH.

  • Kevin

    IMO…The biggest issue the Eagles have is that on both sides of the ball they don’t have enough overall talent (or at least developed talent) to cover up a day when their stars have an off game (which happens to everyone). This week, a few stars and dependable players on O had a bad game and so did ST. The D, was better, but they aren’t good to enough to keep covering up mistakes. And if a single good player on D has a bad game (see Kendricks v. San Diego) it could have a really significant impact (see Antonio Gates looking 26 again).

    I don’t think this an indication that Vick has regressed, just a bad game. It happens and this team can’t afford bad games from stars. If he does this two games in a row, then start to worry.

    Eli has 7 interceptions this year, so Vick still has a way to go?

    • Token

      Eli has 2 superbowls. Lets just stop that comparison in its tracks.

      • Kevin

        Without Tyree and a Def, Eli has none. He is only has a 0.56 (78 – 60) winning percentage as a starter and averages almost an interception a start (152 Career). In the last 5 years, Eli has only won 10 games one season.

        So, do you give a guy more rope because he has a ‘ring’. Dilfer has one, enough said.

        I am not taking away what Eli has done, I was simply stating that everyone is piling on Vick for 1 bad game. Everyone has bad games, if it becomes the norm and not the exception, then it is time to move on. But the sample size (preseason and regular season) so far, says this should be an aberration.

        • Token

          1 bad game? Really?

          Im not going any further with this one.

      • EaglePete

        yup, and 2 superbowls will buy a QB and coach at least a decade of good will. Well, owner good will at least.

  • QB Pessimist

    Wow, Vick’s own words are the worst indication of a lot of bad indications….Remember realizing first Cunningham, then McNabb were just never going to win a Super Bowl? Same should go for Vick by now if you have a pulse. His best skill is answering in cliches that he breaks time and time again….“What hurt so much about that play was that I knew exactly what I needed to do,” Vick said. “I had press coverage on one side and I just tried to take the easy way out. If I just throw the fade on the other side, it never happens. I didn’t make a good throw. I made a poor decision, and it was a bad ball. It was something that I’ll learn from, and I’ll never second-guess myself like that again.”…..yeah, right, you’ll never do it again….

  • EaglePete

    Funny how the “running QBs” are having a terrible start this season. Is that “option trend” ending sooner than anyone expected. Still way early I know but interesting. Wilson seems to be a hybrid more (maybe more pocket than his counterparts) but so is Kap. Cooper wasnt getting separation on that play anyway but ya, incomplete is better than a pick 6. Cooper and Celek need to be replaced or go younger, otherwise they just dont cut it to me, ordinary at best.

  • KobraKai7474

    Vick’s strengths and weaknesses as an NFL quarterback are well known, and I don’t think we’ve seen anything in the past three weeks that changes any of that. The simple fact is that Vick (and much of the team) were just not as mentally prepared as the Chiefs were. Vick was far from the only player to make poor and/or slow decisions… and, arguably, Kelly wasn’t much better (the dopey two-point conversion attempt was a silly decision in context). If we are going to give Andy Reid some credit for Thursday (and we should), it should be for the fact that he got his players ready to play on a short week while Chip Kelly could not do the same.

  • KobraKai7474

    Every one of us has had a day at work where we just aren’t “on our game”. Maybe we didn’t sleep well or maybe we had one too many the night before or maybe we had a mortgage payment due and not quite enough money to cover the check or maybe it was “just one of those days”. Point being, the Eagles had “one of those days” on Thursday…. and not just Michael Vick either. Most of the team including the coach did, too.

    To be clear, I don’t say this to make an excuse. This WAS a failure by the coach and the players. In the NFL, the coach gets the players mentally and physically ready for EVERY game, and the players do their part to make sure they’re ready. The Eagles did NOT do that last week. Andy Reid had his guys ready…. and Chip Kelly did not. If Chip Kelly wants to remain the boy wonder coach, this better be a very important lesson learned and a mistake he never makes again.

    • Richard Colton

      Yeah. We talking about Aaron Rodgers last night or Vick on Thursday? Because one of those guys has a body of work that says one bad game can be written off as an outlier. The other one is Mike Vick.

      • anon

        RGIII, Eli, is Jay Cutler a good Qb, half the players on the team are undeperforming, it’s more glaring when it’s the QB, but he’s not the only one.

        • EaglePete

          hey Bears are looking phenomenal. Id be stoked if I was a bears fan right now. Then again, werent they like 7-1 last season and then didnt make playoffs ha.

          • anon

            hah yeah. But Bears D accounted for most of the production last night, Cutler had like 141yds + 1Td, which is pretty pedestrian. Frankly if i had B. Marsh and Forte I could probably win a game or two.

  • BlindChow

    Yikes, sounds like you just copied and pasted from last year’s All-22’s!

  • Andy124

    One thing I’ll say about Vick is that each week that goes by, he looks less and less likely to play 16. Somebody check me on this; It looks to my eyes like he’s actually taking a little less punishment than last year, but wearing down faster.

  • Engwrite

    Vick had two good games and a bad one. But even with the bad game we could’ve won if we don’t muff the punt or Snap to the thigh.

    I think Vick might feel better if he had Maclin rather than Cooper. Lots of incomplete passes went Cooper’s way.

    With McCoy amassing yardage at an amazing rate and Vick throwing INTs other teams will crowd the line and dare Vick to beat them through the air even more. I would suggest helping them out by replacing Cooper with a TE or Brown. Then we could split either RB or the TE and go vertical. Or run the ball. I think Ertz is as fast as Cooper and McCoy and Brown even faster. Lets have LBs try to cover them. Get the ball to McCoy with only one defender to beat. Or to Brown. I think Ertz and Brown are more gifted than Cooper, have much higher potential and are or will be better than Cooper. I think they can be better blockers (maybe not yet) but I would play them more and Cooper less. Lets put our best eleven on the field.

  • #7

    Man do the Eagles fans give up fast lol. We haven’t even played the game yet against Denver. Even though Shiel pointed out the protection issues, you guys say it was Vick. Yes, he left some throws on the field but the thing is, he’s had one bad game this year out of three and you guys act like the sky is falling smh.

    We have shot against Denver and that’s all we can ask for. They have no Von Miller and Jackson is going up against Bailey and this will be his first game back. The front seven for Denver can’t compare to KCs. Bottom line, KC kicked our asses on both sides of the ball, Period.

    I expect a better effort against Denver. Go Eagles, since everyone else on here does not seem to believe in our team.

    • EaglePete

      cmon, would you expect anything less after the last few seasons and reading comment sections in the off season? This is mild in comparison. I think most fans are worried about the defense against Peyton losing the game then even starting to care or worry about Vick and the offense. It was one bad game, nothing to get crazy about. No need to explain why people would be skeptical though, most can figure that part out.

      • #7

        Not much positivity on Eagles blogs bro. These people are automatically pegging us for a loss. We have 6 days until we actually play the game smh.

        It’s hard on here because we have so many people on here who really thinks they are experts but have no idea what they are talking about. I don’t claim to be an expert, I just want us to win and I believe in my team win lose or draw

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    Regression “occurrs when an individual personality reverts to an earlier stage of development.” Lets be honest Vick did regress as far as decision making. That being said he has played great for 2 games and had 1 bad day. I still think that Vick is the man as far as qb for the eagles. Lets face it when a team is forced to pass when the opposing d dictates this and you are playing from behind, the chanes for miscues go up.
    I think we gave up on the run too fast. We should have given a read option look but run a power running play by pulling guards. Ried was smart he had at times 8 men in the box. Taking away the numbers for the option. We would regain the numers by pulling guards. Get that established then run play action pass.

  • aub32

    Wow it really ddin’t take much for many of you fair weather fans to jump right back into abandon ship mode did it? Vick had a bad game, but let’s not act like both losses are his fault. We all know what Vick is. He’s a good QB when given time and makes bad decisions/poor throws when under a lot of pressure. I’m pretty sure the same could be said about almost every other QB. Even the great Tom Brady has been accused of seeing ghosts in the pocket when under pressure all day. How else do you explain his 2 SB losses? The fact is we still have some of our easiest competition left on the schedule, and we are only one game out of the lead for our division against a team Vick has owned. So climb down off the ledge with all this Foles, Barkley, and Chip hotseat talk. You sound like the silly irrational fans that the media always tries to portray you to be. Let’s be smarter than that. Let’s realize this is still a new everything, and that KC’s defense was a bad matchup for us. How many other teams are going to be able to overpower our O line like that? How many other teams have a CB that is going to be able to stick DeSean with minimal help? How many teams can get so much pressure without blitzing so that they can drop so many into coverage? Definitely no one in our division. So let’s relax.

    • #7

      THANK YOU!!!!

      These people on here make me want to scream man I’m not lying. Like I said in an earlier post, Token and others (cough R.Colton) wake up every morning and start this college QB crap. It’s week 4 people. Calm the Ef down

      • aub32

        It really makes no sense because if a college QB comes in here and losses, then they would be ok with it until 3 years down the road they are hollering to get rid of him. How about we live in the now with what we have? How many terrible teams have we seen remain terrible despite taking a QB high in the draft. Let’s not put all our hope into guys not even halfway through their college season. Could you imagine if I told fans we would have Barkley on our team years ago? They would call me a dreamer and a liar because he’s far too good. Now they are saying how bad he sucks. That goes to show how much stock you can place in some of these college projections.

        • #7

          EXACTLY. Flip flop in .5 seconds man…yet they claim to “bleed green”.

          It’s really no point to talk about next year’s draft….while we are 1-2 lol.

          That makes our fans look stupid as “freak”

          • phillyeagle77

            I absolutely agree with you.. im tired of the same remarks every since the draft of McNabb.. why do we criticize every quarterback thats under center including kevin Kolb??L.I.G. lets get ready for these Broncos.. i know fake fans when i see them and if we make it to the playoffs with Michael vick as our QB and they give him praise, im exposing.. Not true fans.. Do any one know the meaning of a fan or team?? Find the definition and do as it mean..

      • Richard Colton

        did you happen to read the attached story? its about Vick. He’s doing the same things he’s always done. Good and bad. I like the 60 yard runs, but we all know the guy isn’t taking us anywhere. that doesn’t mean he, Chip, or the front office is on the hot seat. it just means that people waiting for Vick to become this brand new player in year 12 should have known better.

        • anon

          He’s better than any alternative we’d have so why constant complaining?

        • cliff henny

          agree, but let’s half glass full vick thru 3 weeks. we know vick isnt perfect for this offense. the short drop quick reads couple wild tosses, he’ll have days like KC, it’s vick. but, what we have learned, the offense works! get a guy like marioti boyd manziel hundley in here that’s been running the spread since their football diaper days, imagine what they’ll evolve to? look what kelly did with vick in 4 months, now extrapolate that out with a young pup groomed for the system. shady is running thru mack truck size holes, d-jax is set to have career yr, bet we’ll attract a free agent or 2 looking to put up some nice numbers and parlay those into big contracts. we chatted enough that this team is about 2015, and i see alot to be excited about, vick’s play included.

    • Dutch

      Damn sure can be said about Eli Manning, Tony Romo and Drew Brees. Anybody catch a glimpse of Kaepernick and Rodgers in a collapsing pocket unable to set their feet?

      • aub32

        I hear you Dutch. It’s like some of these fans don’t watch any other QB in the game.

        • #7

          They do. They only want to criticize Vick. I could take it further…but I won’t.

          • anon

            We already know what it’s about.

          • #7

            LOL. 2+2= 4 bro LMAO

            That simple

          • Richard Colton

            Are all the Eagles fans who live in Dallas as sensitive as you?

          • JMason

            All Eagles fans are sensitive.

          • Dutch

            In all honesty I want to criticize Vick as well……. I’m not happy about compromising and taking the easy path out of some situations. He’s thinking to much and sometimes just needs to throw the ball out of bounds.

            In the plays Sheil is describing above, I can understand the rational in not firing off the ball to Cooper. On two plays similar Cooper dropped balls when he was open and the balls hit him in rhythm so he’s not reliable and no QB would have confidence in him under those situations. But he likewise should have known in traffic Celek isn’t reliable either and it’s not surprising a ball put through a tight window between the hash marks is a disaster if you are targeting Celek.

            I thought that ball should have been thrown deep to DJax on the Go down the right side line and put in a place where either DJax runs and catches the ball or it goes out of bounds.

          • #7

            Toughest D we;ve faced. I think we were sloppy all the way around. Even on ST’s

            You’re right in the situation that you just mentioned. Just a bad read and throw all the way around

          • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

            I said somewhere else that I don’t think Vick trusts Cooper to catch the ball. Now Celek has made circus catches in the past…but too often he drops balls he should have caught.

      • #7

        Rodgers arguing with the coach too..

        No QB likes defenders in their face. NOT ONE. That’s the key to beating all QBs. Pressure in their face = fundamentals are off = bad throw.

        KC dominated us and that’s all their is too it.

    • EaglePete

      fair weather is not really fair. Its been cloudy and overcast for 5 years now ha. Id expect nothing less from the Philly faithful. That faith in being competitive when it counts is what teeters on the ledge. Its just the team as its assembled may not be that great. This is where discussing drafts and future comes in and why Vick (esp this season) will always be on the super super hot seat, its not his first go around.
      I wont over react to one game but every time they play good competition we see similar inconsistencies. No they arent robots, but that cant really just be explained away anymore. That line between excuses and just being bad is really thin. Philly fans arent that excited to win a division 8-8, almost feels like were still in a McNabb hangover phase. Of course the playoff game would bring that “what if” excitement back.
      Yes, the race issue exists but it doesnt apply to everyone/everything, not even close. Bothers me in politics as well, anything Obama is criticized for turns to that and Im liberal and voted for him. Kind of a copout. Im still rooting for Vick to succeed but if its a rerun of recent seasons, it wont last. No reason for it to last even if the team isnt helping him. Only so much time a starting QB has on one team…..ever in NFL.

      • aub32

        The problem that this isn’t the old regime though. People are going back to the failures of the past, but Reid and his era are gone. Kelly’s offense had one bad game against a defense that is showing to be one of the best in the NFL. Yet we are acting like this is 2012 all over again. Our 3 biggest stars have looked great more often than not. The team will get better as the season goes on. Making the playoffs could result in who knows after this team has had time to put it all together. Did anyone watch the games this past week. SF, GB, and ATL, are all 1-2. No team in this league is unbeatable, aside from maybe Seattle at home.

        • #7

          I was down and out after the KC game, no doubt, until I saw SF, GB, and ATL lose. Foreskins and GWomen are 0-3.

          We just need to play good football this week and I think we will.

          • anon

            That’s what i’m saying, everyone’s taking Ls right now, but we really should have won that game.

        • BlindChow

          It’s the same QB making the same mistakes he made last year. It’s regression. Right now Vick’s two good games this year are the anomaly. Maybe it’s a blip, but it’s hard to pretend like 2012 didn’t happen.

          If he does better over the next couple weeks, you’ll see the pessimism evaporate. In the mean time, don’t expect people to wear blinders.

          • #7

            Its people like you…the reason philly fans has a bad rep

          • BlindChow

            That was me?? Crap!

          • aub32

            How about looking at the whole picture? What happened in 2012. Vick played poorly behind a bad O line he didn’t trust, who would. He was pressured all night Thursday, and we saw similar mistakes. That’s nearly every QB in the league. Vick played very well in the first 2 games. He was amazing in 2010 and had good games in 2011 despite the losses. I just went over what happened in 2012.So unless you’re telling me you believe our O line will be that thoroughly manhandled more often than not, I think it’s a safe bet to say the KC game is the anamoly this season.

          • BlindChow

            He wasn’t under pressure on his first interception last Thursday; it was just a bad decision. Unfortunately, that’s what he’s become known for the last couple years (though I agree he had some good games in 2011).

            I’m not saying you can’t be optimistic; I like reading optimistic posts. But you didn’t understand the pessimism, so I’m trying to help explain it to you. For better or worse, KC reminded fans of 2012. People were pessimistic after the Chargers game, too, but to me they looked pretty good (close game, in it until the end, looked fantastic on offense and ST). But KC would have fit right into the “find a way to lose” modus operandi of last year.

            One thing you won’t find me doing is ripping other fans because they have a different outlook on the season. I don’t mind people expecting the best to happen; if they’re right, it’ll be a great year. I also completely understand people seeing the sky falling; the last couple years have been rough, particularly because winning appeared to be within our grasp so often.

            On the other hand, I’ll disagree with the people who think we should throw in the towel, play only rookies (“to see what we have”), etc. Especially looking at the competition this year, I think the Eagles can really turn things around, as long as they stop making the same mistakes they made all last year (special teams fumbles and defensive penalties in addition to the QB throwing to the other team).

            Also, maybe Vick should start using a “heavier touch” when under center, just to be sure Kelce can tell the difference…

          • EaglePete

            good points, Ive been saying something similar. Ha, heavier touch, nice. I agree they can compete in this sorry division for sure. Mixing in some younger players though can work as an advantage at times if vets arent getting it done, all relative.

          • anon

            McCoy had a bad year, are his good games a blip? Did Djax regress last game b/c he only had 60 yds?

          • BlindChow

            I think it’s more trends than anything. People ask about other QB’s who have had bad games (Brady last week, Rodgers this week), but they have a larger body of success as their norm. The same applies to McCoy and Djax.

            If Vick doesn’t have any more bad games, you’ll see a lot of people wanting him to stay on as QB next year. He’ll have earned it. (He’s not THAT old…)

        • EaglePete

          no doubt, and like i said, its one game. I wont be crazy about it although it was upsetting heading into Denver this week. I really wanted to win that gm. and thought we could have. Im more perplexed at how awful they are at home, the linc has not been friendly. I was saying after also, that Chiefs D is legit, they will make a lot of teams look bad on O. I was more or less bringing up what I think some fans are tired of, even with just a small sample size this season. There is practically zero room for error even with new coach/scheme or very little. The frustration level is through the roof, has nothing to do with Philly but more to do with the same starting QB coming away from a coach who over stayed by a yr or two. Those factors would do same in other towns imo.

          • BlindChow

            Yeah, I’ve heard KC folks talking about how great their fans are, but last year didn’t they cheer when Cassel got injured?

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    Broncos favored by 10.5 points. Wow total disrepect. Call me crazy but I think eagles have a chance here. Why?
    Manning is not as efficient when facing a 3-4 d.
    Broncos d not the same since Elvis left the building. They have gotton those wins because of mannings time consuming scoring drives. Yes much like san diegos o.
    I think our o can score at least 27 points aginst their d.
    Our d has only one weakness that is our secondary To remody that we should run an old jj play and blitz a corner and roll coverage to the hot read side.
    If we can get pressure on manning through creative blitzing we have a chance. If we just sit in coverage he willjust pick us apart.

    • anon

      Slot is a big weakness, that’s going to be exploited all day, until D. Thomas goes over top. Hopefully cary williams will have some good scouting from last year. We’ll need some turnovers. But it’ll be interesting to see how we stack up. We already say Giants get straight beat down.

      • Dutch

        arguably the best corner on the roster plays the slot receiver for the Eagles. Cary Williams is a career back up, it’s probably time to test fletcher to see what you have. But the Eagles are in no position to put a guy on a specific receiver.

        If the Eagles can’t put any pressure on Peyton they have zero chance at turnovers in this game.

        • anon

          You’re saying Boykin vs. Welker is good matchup for us? or Boykin vs J. Thomas? I think Boykin is our most talented CB, but he’s got a long day ahead of him.

    • Dutch

      As long as our offense can score we are always in the game, which is a marked improvement over last year. The interesting point is how will the offensive line respond after having their backsides kicked by the Chiefs. I would not care if we loose I’m interested in how the Offensive Line rebounds.

      If we win the battle of the line of scrimmage and tackle in space we win, it’s as simple as that. Manning is throwing a lot of underneath stuff getting the ball into the hands of playmakers.

      • hawaiieaglesfan

        Yes o line and Vick needs to reboud.

    • EaglePete

      Their D has the most INTs in the league right now, well per post last wk. Their D isnt terrible by any means but it is the weak point compared to their O. They have the best WR group in the league and their young TE aint too shabby. Our D better be creative and be able to hide the blitz. Scary to think how easy it was for Rivers to read it when they tried to blitz let alone Peyton audibling (thats prob not even a word) at the line. Theres your 10.5 right there.

      • Dutch

        Davis is proving rigid in his ideas……. He and Chip speak of versatility, if that’s true, alternate between 1 and 2 gap schemes. The only chance we have is getting in Peyton’s face and solid hits on him changes the complexity of his game.

        It’s a losing strategy to 2 gap Peyton, force him off his mark make him move around in the pocket. Turn Curry, Cox and Graham loose behind the line of scrimmage and let those kids 1 gap and disrupt that pocket and make the linebackers be held accountable for supporting them with crisp, clear and effective tackling.

        • JofreyRice

          I only watched the game once, but it looked like they were playing more of a 1 gap under front against KC. I think that’s why Curry saw snaps. They must realize he is not a two gap lineman.

          • Dutch

            I agree, as I think the same of Cox and a couple others. But I wouldn’t wait and, or change the formation defensively every time it’s needed to change the pace, let them 1 gap from their base, changing the formation wouldn’t work on Peyton, he is smart and would only audible out of one play to a more fitting play.

        • hawaiieaglesfan

          Sorry I misstated my point peyton is not that efficient against a 3-4 look. He has more reads to make against that look. I agree change the gap assingnments to keep him off balance. An diguise the blitzes(ala jj)
          Also KC’s d is a lot more fundamentally sound than Denvers. The corners and safeties cheat alot as far as responsiblities. There is a weakness there. Im just saying we have a chance.

        • anon

          This is why they didn’t want to play V Curry until Denver…SACKS!

      • hawaiieaglesfan

        Ok good points. But most ints happen when u have a commanding lead. The opposing team has to press their passing attack. Hence more chances of miscues (ie Eli Manning) If the eagles can score early and play from a lead we have a chance. Our team is not built to play from behind. Remember the basis for the read option attack is to run the ball more than you pass.

        • EaglePete

          I love your optimism. Any given Sunday still applies.

          • BlindChow

            Yesterday especially! Underdogs winning left and right! Too bad the poor Jags weren’t able to cash in…

          • EaglePete

            poor poor jags. I drafted MJD too, what was I thinking. Well auctioned in a keeper league. Difference is, when you have a dominant D like Seahawks theres just a lot less of a chance to lose a game to a bad team. I think thats huge.

          • hawaiieaglesfan

            Have to be where im from. Im also a Hawaii fan.

  • Pennguino

    Sheil, go back and take a look at the first half of the SD game. You will see Vick stared down his receivers on at least 10 passes in the first half. They were able to get open and we had better protection. This gave Vick a false sense that it will work out. I don’t know if he got lazy due to the success or over confident in the scheme and stats he was putting up. But that false sense of he receivers getting open made him look unprepared.

    That carried over into this game. Plus the off-target passes from SD seem to multiply in the KC game. The windows were tighter in the KC game so his accuracy came into play more than in SD when he had receivers running wide open.

    Look at the top of his drop when he hit Desean for the 41 yarder in SD. Busted coverage and Coop has no one between him and the end zone. The deep safety breaks into Desean’s route and limits him to only 41 yards because Vick stares him down.

    Looking forward to the Denver game after this wakeup call. Denver has a good defense and it should be another test for this team. The thing that sticks out to me is that Kelly said he would get with Mike after he made the call for the starter’s position. These game plans are tailor made for Vick.

  • Andrew

    If they’re giving so much single high safety coverage, why would we not take advantage of putting DJohnson out there? I know the logical answer is that Cooper adds MUCH more in terms of a blocker in the run/bubble screen game, but I’d like to see this happen at least a few times a game.

    • anon

      2 5’8 WRs on the outside isn’t awesome. You’ve gotta hope they outrun b/c they won’t be able to catch any jump balls, and would susceptible to being bullied by bigger DBs

    • hawaiieaglesfan

      This what most d are doing aganst read option teams. Stacking the box daring u to pass. Sure take your shots upfield where your numbers are. But do not abandon the run. Like I said previously. Give the read optipn look but run a power play by pulling guards. And regain the numbers. With our oline better at run blocking and stable of runningbacks we should explore this option. Chip has done this before. Then run play action to exploit the single coverage.

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    Both teams have horrible pass defenses. Could be a high scoring game. 60+ points highly probable.

    • BlindChow

      Each!

  • Jason Hutt

    Most of these mistake could be traced back to mental fatigue. 3 games in 11 days after an intense camp picking up a new system. Same could be said of some of the other errors – Kelce’s snap to no one, Lane Johnson’s missed blocks, etc. Hopefully they rebound with a solid game after a little extra rest.

    • saunhi

      Excellent point and against a very punishing defense in KC.

  • Ron Swanson

    That play where Bryce Brown was wide open was the most frustrating thing of the night. I was at the game and every person in the stadium could see him and even started standing up when vick started his throwing motion in that direction. That was an unbelievably bad decision.

    • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

      Wasn’t a bad decision or bad throw. Cooper should have had that ball.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Vick saw Brown. He just went for the deeper throw. His reaction after Cooper dropped it said as much. It was just a choice between a shorter or longer throw. The decision wasn’t bad nor was the throw bad. Cooper should have had that ball.

    • Gary

      It was a bad decision.

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Disagree on the Celek stare down It was more that he threw the ball late. He hesitated on that throw. Still on him, but for diff reasons.

  • EaglePete

    are you an Eagles fan? I would think not, saying terrible city, fans. If not, what are you doing here trying to defend the QB who doesnt need your help? I think his ego will manage.

  • UKEagle99

    You type like you suffer from Tourettes coupled with the fact you feel the need to come on an Eagles board when you are a Broncos fan leads me to say It’s only football, I hope you get your problems sorted.

  • #7

    It’s a shame ain’t it? lol

  • #7

    Unfortunately you’re correct about the “negative” part. GTF out of here on the other crap.

    Be careful what you wish for. Broncos will mess around and get beat. Your best player Miller is in a shed sweating and smoking crack somewhere.

  • EaglePete

    right, because getting Manning as FA changed everything. You were all so nice, warm and fuzzy in the decade plus post Elway. Riiiggghhhttttt. Good lulck with those INTs in the playoffs. Hows that Raven taste? Still has to be soooo bitter going down, dont count on Peyton when it gets cold. That noodle neck will wither and crumble,

  • EaglePete

    Rahim Moore

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    Exuse me I have never stated that I have lost faith in Vick. Because of his cannon arm and his ability to extend plays gives us the chance to win.

  • Chali

    Troll. . . go back to your cave.

  • Token

    Question… Can a Eagles fan be a fair weather fan?

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    R u being sarcastic? I always took u as an eagles fan?

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    LMFAO!!!

  • EaglePete

  • hawaiieaglesfan

    I see. Good one.