Johnny Manziel, Chip Kelly a ‘Perfect’ Match?

Michael Vick has thrown four touchdowns and no interceptions in the Eagles’ first two games. He’s completing over 62 percent of his attempts and averaging a league-high 10.3 yards per attempt.

So it feels a little strange to be discussing a quarterback who isn’t even 21-years-old yet. But the fact of the matter is Vick is 33. Even if he plays lights-out this season, and the Eagles bring him back, they very well could still be in the market for their QB of the future in next year’s draft.

Which brings us to the topic of this post: Johnny Manziel.

Greg A. Bedard of The MMQB wrote a terrific piece about Manziel’s prospects as an NFL QB and made the link between Manziel and Chip Kelly:

“I diagrammed some of my favorite plays at Tivy [High], and one of the Oregon coaches said, ‘We literally run the exact same offense with different terminology,’ ” Manziel told the San Antonio Express-News three years ago. “Coach Kelly said I was perfect for their system, and I knew I was going to accept as soon as they offered.”

Manziel later decided Oregon was too far from his hometown of Kerrville, Texas, about three and a half hours from College Station. But given Manziel’s talents and Kelly’s uptempo, frenetic offense, a Manziel-Kelly reunion would be blissful. “Oh my gosh. He would be the prototype,” an NFC general manager says.

Manziel is around 6-0 or 6-1, and Bedard says scouts feel he can run a 4.55 40. He also is said to have huge hands.

During a coach’s clinic (via Fishduck.com), Kelly talked about the importance of hand size in quarterbacks:

If the quarterback is not tall, look at his hands. That is the biggest coaching point to finding a quarterback. How big are his hands, and how well can he control the football? The height of the quarterback is not the important thing. No one playing quarterback throws over the line. They throw through lanes in the linemen. The important thing is the size of their hands.

There are several talented, athletic quarterback prospects expected to be available in next year’s draft, including one, Marcus Mariota, that Kelly coached at Oregon.

But we’re sure to hear more connections between Kelly and Manziel in the next nine months.

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  • ohitsdom

    He’s an easy player to hate, but I’m sure I’d come around if he played in Eagles green.

  • BlindChow

    I guess if he’s still there at the top of the 4th round, I wouldn’t be opposed to the Eagles trading up to get him…

  • Rick H

    The last QB that they made a huge deal about the size of his hands (10 inches & biggest QB hands if not all hands at the combine when he came out) was Ryan Fitzpatrick. So if that is any indication I wouldn’t put a lot of stock into hand size.

  • Broadcasting Wisdom

    We should only draft defense next year. Kelly has enough toys on offense. Let someone else take the sexy picks of Johnny Football, Bridgewater, and Mariota. Give me a couple safeties and cornerbacks that can cover and a couple linebackers to replace Ryans and Cole in a year or two, and I will be happy.

    • Tyler Phillips

      Sorry but offense is king. We only need a marginal D to contend

      • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

        That’s fair and true, but if you think our defense is marginal than I want whatever you’re smoking

        • Broadcasting Wisdom

          Yes, I’m not saying a top 5 D, but give me in the 10-15 range with our current O and we would be in the super bowl hunt. Our current O with the current D and we will be scratching our way to get 9 wins.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            We need a S-CB-OLB-NT, in that order. At least 2 key starters at those positions next year, hopefully rooks. Maybe 1 more via free agency.

          • Philly0312

            Disagree. NT is paramount. Our clowns are getting face planted left and right. Need a guy who can 2 gap bad in a 34. We have zero 2 gap dlinemen. Some are okay…but too much 34…not enough 43 under so far this season

          • RIP illa

            Sorry but NT doesn’t have to see enough snaps to be paramount! If you’re running a 3-4, whether 2 gap or 1, an elite pass rushing OLB is paramount. Then, as far as front 7 is concerned, it goes DE to help facilitate your OLBs pass rush, and followed by NT and MLB. I’d probably rate MLB highs in terms of what’s paramount. You can draft a decent NT fairly late and/or pick up a body in FA pretty easily. NT is to D, what Guard is to O. Important yes, but can be obtained easier than other positions.

          • Philly0312

            No.

            First…a 34 is a 2 gap system…if its a 1 gap d…its a 43 or hybrid. Thats LITERALLY the primary difference between the two.

            Swcond….Raji, Ngata, Wilfork, Campbell, Poe are all first round picks on traditional 34s. Most other ds in the nfl play 43 unders or 43s. 49ers are the only traditional 34 playing at a high level without a good nt.

            Third, good NTs create overrated olbs and mlbs who make pro bowls.

            Cofield ia the only NT I can think of with a productive career at nt drafted outside the first round (3rd), and he wasnt a success with his first team.

            Forth….wtf? We have MLBs, average mlbs…and no safeties or 34 linemen. Hence why our lineman got the crap kicked out of them by a horrible oline on sunday.

          • Adam

            3-4 NT is not a premium position whatsoever. While game changers like the guys you’ve listed above are nice to have, all you really need is a guy who can eat a couple blocks.

        • Tyler Phillips

          Oh hell no. Lol definitely not right now.

    • Tom w

      No. Bpa. Qb pass rusher trump all if available . J Byrd will be our safety savior and change the entire secondary.

    • RIP illa

      As much as I love the thought of drafting nothing but D this year since we did a lousy job of finding gods enough talent on that side of the ball this year…still gotta think bout O. We do have spots to be taken care of on that side of the ball. They are not more pressing but if we’re going BPA, then there jus might be some spots that we spend picks on. WR(s), G, and C (backup). Plus if we can get our hands on one the higher rated athletic QBs that are coming out, well we definitely have to pull the trigger…and Heeeeeeell No…not Manziel! Regardless of if they are going to sit behind Vick or Start right away.

  • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

    NOOOO

  • Weapon Y

    I actually like Manziel, but I’d still take Bridgewater any day over him. Granted, the defense should probably be a bigger priority anyway.

  • Will

    Who are the 2 best Safeties in the Draft ? Pick’em 1 & 2 ………instead of a fifth RD after thought….then DL,NT, LB,CB’s and then go QB….Matt Barkely not the great QB? why waste a fouth RD pick on him? Everyone said he didn’t have an NFL arm! Manziel too short….another Tebow….college phenom….better off developing Foles….Foles needs to work on long ball accuracy and touch….FS-Hasean Clinton-Dix -Alabama & SS Craig Loston-LSU…stop ignoring the Defense!

  • EaglePete

    Philadelphia would prefer a QB that can actually play 16 gms in a season so no thanks. Oh and I think a brain is bit more important than hand size.

  • Dom

    Dumb ass story sheil ……we already have the prototype lets ride with this without the negative wishing against OUR QB !!!

    • EaglePete

      dumb ass post. Johnny football has been in the news lately, not sure if you noticed and people referenced the Eagles. Zero to do with negative wishes, man you Vick worshippers are a sensitive bunch

      • Dom

        Eaglepete how much is your gynecologist co pay

        • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

          Oh No.

          Lady Bits are wonderful things.

          Just call him a d*ck. :-)

  • Media Mike

    Teddy Bridgewater.

  • Will

    Bridgewater will be gone before we pick.Who are the 2 best Safeties in the Draft ? Pick’em 1 & 2 ………instead of a fifth RD after thought….then DL,NT, LB,CB’s and
    then go QB….Matt Barkely not the great QB? why waste a fouth RD pick
    on him? Everyone said he didn’t have an NFL arm! Manziel too
    short….another Tebow….college phenom….better off developing
    Foles….Foles needs to work on long ball accuracy and
    touch….FS-Hasean Clinton-Dix -Alabama & SS Craig Loston-LSU…stop
    ignoring the Defense!

  • Will

    You have a FA in Casey, a 2nd RD er in Ertz, and a 4th RDer QB that barley play and your Safety group suxs just poor preparation and a waste of resources …pitiful while the 4th best Safety in the NFL is available just stupid…..He ends up playing for the Gnats and hurts one of our key player’s I’m gonna be pissed…

  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    Oh Gawd. Not that spoiled, rotten brat.

    • Media Mike

      Agreed. You don’t care for my observations on Vick, but Vick handles himself as such a pros pro these days, I couldn’t stomach Johnny Football. We’ve had classy starters here for a while, no need to add that type of element with Johnny Football.
      I’m a Bridgewater guy! Right arm. Right legs. Right brain. Right attitude. Right height.

      • Will

        I love Vick especially this year no picks and hardly no fumbles…He throws one of the best tight spiral passes I’ve ever seen and accurate…..

        • Media Mike

          A one turnover Vick after two games has been a revelation. I’m enjoying his play. I got into yesterday with some folks about why I disagreed with Sheil on the Casey and D-Jax (3) incompletions, but Vick is playing some great ball.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        I’m not even knocking the guys talent. Really I’m not. But could you imagine the whining and the off the field drama?

        Good lord I’ll pass.

  • CTAZPA

    The Eagles and most successful teams pick the best player available. The Eagles especially try to find above replacement players for cheap in free agency. That way they aren’t forced to draft anyone.

    Because of scheme change, we had too many needs to address them adequately in one year. I’d be shocked and disappointed if we went into the draft feeling like we HAD to draft a safety, much less two. I hope we get two decent guys in FA and then let the chips fall on draft day.

    Mistakes are inevitable when you draft to fill a need.

    • Will

      As long as they draft all Defense who cares…they will be lucky to hit on 1…..Lane Johnson this year!

  • Token

    Honestly, Id rather have Vick another year than draft this kid. Thats saying a lot coming from me. I just hate him as a NFL prospect. Im already worried Howie has a crush on him. Seems like the kind of kid hed fall in love with.

    Paper thin, 5’10. No way hes near his listed 6’1. Arm doesnt have much zip IMO. Sandlot football player. Character issues. Will never be a SB winning QB. Has a much better chance of being Tebow than he does Brett Favre.

  • Tom w

    Id much rather have bridge water ucla qb taj Boyd or mariotta especially. Johnny is just getting pub because he is an idiot and immature and beat Alabama once. Other prospects are much better and safer

    • BleedGreenJames

      Mariota please. Thank you.

    • Token

      Im a Bridgewater fan, but since that doesnt seem in the realm of possibility I guess I gotta look more into these other guys. People seem to love Mariota but I gotta admit I havent really watched him much.

      Does he have the clutch gene? Is he a leader? Accuracy? Zip on his throws? Read defenses well?

      A quick stat check and it looks like he had two inaccurate games to start the year.

      • NickS1

        Hard to gauge a clutch gene with an Oregon QB. Small sample size of clutch moments because they’re usually crushing teams.

  • SoCalEaglesFan

    Manziel strikes me as the type who is a great college QB who will fail miserably in the pros. The best possible college QB for Kelly in the NFL was his own Dennis Dixon. We saw how that worked out. I couldn’t care less about Johnny Football’s wild side. It’s his football side that concerns me. He’s High School Harry.

  • Griff

    Manziel is a baller for sure, but id prefer mariota

  • Jayyy

    give me Mariota 100 out of 100 times. Mariota will be the better pro prospect.

  • anon

    Are we seriously thinking of grabbing another qb in a high round next year? we have 3, none of which are tradeable for value, 2 of which are in rookie contracts?

    • Token

      Thats the game, gotta find a QB. Doesnt always happen right away.

  • #7

    We already have the prototype on our team right now. Build up the defense

    • anon

      Yup that’s what i’m saying. We might have 2/3 years w/ Vick — let’s get the D right and get a championship. Honestly, i think we have a system that doesn’t require once in a generation QB to go far. There’s a ton of mobile QBs that can pass what are second stringing (see baltimore, cinci, as examples). Let’s have a good draft / FA and do that thingy thing.

      • #7

        That’s my thinking. Why start over if we don’t have to.

  • #7

    Manziel would get eaten alive by the fans and media in Philly

  • Fabrizio

    I’d take him if he was there at 32

  • Media Mike

    http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?y=2014
    If anybody wants to get into a discussion about who to draft / who to sign.

  • Damien

    Just give me Tahj Boyd. Manziel is a spoiled, bratty, punk…

  • Seabreezes51

    I would rather a taller QB …but that is up to Chip who he thinks is best. The QB position has become so overwhelmingly important it is critical to make sure you can field the best possible QB..before any other position. A top QB is worth three or four starters at any other position

  • Adam

    Mariota or bust

  • #7

    IMO if you’re not drafting a once in a generation QB, you should build elsewhere. I keep seeing Bridgewater, Boyd, and Mariota’s names coming up. I don’t think these guys are that and people Damn sure ain’t saying that they are.

    Think about it. There are few QBs that succeed that are drafted outside of the top 5 or first round. I learned my lesson as a teenager as far as college QBs. All of these qbs winning the Heisman.

    Toretta, Dorsey, Ward, Wuerffel. And QBs that light it up in college…too many to mention. Then when they get to the NFL they can barely complete a pass.

    None of these guys are once in a generation QBs like a Luck, Griffin, Peyton, and belive it or not…. Vick.

    Say what u want (Vick), but these guys were considered that when they came out. Also, we will not be in contention for Bridgewater anyway. Maybe you get lucky and hit on a lower round pick, but as we all know, it’s rare.

    Clowney is going #1 anyway. Keep Vick and build the lines up and the backend. 49ers did it perfectly. When they were losing, they drafted an o-lineman and hit on all of those picks. D-lineman they did well too. They are the beasts of the league because they built from the inside out.

    • Token

      If you think people arent saying Bridgewater is a elite QB prospect, you arent paying attention.

      And at the same time you still think Clowney is #1? Hes had little impact. One of the most over hyped prospects in recent memory. No way in the world he goes #1.

      I realize your deep rooted love for Vick doesnt allow you to talk about the future of the position in a rational manner, so we wont even continue down this road.

      Its just still very strange a grown man feels this way about another grown man, a stranger none the less.

      Ill just say enjoy this season. The Eagles are not in a position to give Vick another huge contract. They are not close enough to being a contender for that to make any sense.

    • BleedGreenJames

      We tried building from the inside out with Graham and Watkins. It’s tough to build a talented roster when you have a lawyer at GM.

      • #7

        Lmao Damn that’s a good one

  • aub32

    I haven’t seen much of Johnny, pretty much just the 2 games against Alabama but I would not be so quick to shoot this down. Think about it. Many of you were bashing Vick for decision making, TOs, and making himself too vulnerable before the season. Look at Vick’s play the last too games. He’s setting recoerd numbers while protecting both himself and the ball. (outside of down field blocking for Shady) If Chip can do that with Vick at 33, just imagine the impression he can have on a kid that will barely be 21. Johhny would not have to start right away. He could take a year or two to both learn the system, calm down, and increase his arm strength. Then when Vick eventually leaves, Johnny is in position to take over. I know this same scenario works with a few guys coming out this year, but they may be off the board by the time we pick if the rest of the NFCE keeps playing the way they have and we advance to the playoffs. Johnny’s concerns may dop him into the 2nd round allowing us to get a first round defender and our future QB in the same draft.

    As a side note think of the headlines. Johnny Football vs Matt Barkley for the starting job of the Philadelphia Eagles QB.

    • BleedGreenJames

      Manziel vs Barkley isn’t even a competition in this type of offense.

  • Billy P

    Johnny Football would be a great Eagles QB for the next 10 years….Marcus Mariotta would also be great for Eagles.

    • Jack R.

      Manziel is a great young talent, did you see him play FANTASTIC the last two years against national champion Alabama? The kid is electrifying and he is only 20 years old and will mature and stop doing some of the silly off the field things which are only minor.