Eagles Wake-Up Call: Bennie Logan’s Support System

Bennie Logan has been flying under the radar a bit since becoming an Eagle. There’s been plenty of attention paid to classmates Lane Johnson, Zach Ertz,  Earl Wolff and of course Matt Barkley, but seldom does the  third-round selection get highlighted.

That’s about par for the course for the 23-year-old defensive lineman. Surrounded by the likes of Michael Brockers,  Morris Claiborne, Tyrann Mathieu, Kevin Minter and Eric Reid over his college career, Logan rarely found himself in the spotlight while at LSU. But his play stood out to NFL scouts, and he went into April’s draft with a second/third round grade.

The Eagles walked away from their pre-draft sit-down with Logan extremely impressed, and had him tabbed as a second-round talent. He fell to the third, and they snagged him with the 67th overall pick.

“He’s stout against the run. He can give you some inside pass rush. He can push the pocket. He can work the edges. So, he’s an interesting guy [and] we feel fortunate to get him here,” said Chip Kelly.

LSU uses multiple fronts (like the Eagles plan to ) and the 6-2, 310-pound Logan was deployed up and down the line. That was the case during OTAs and minicamp as well, as Logan saw time at nose, the three technique and defensive end while running a good amount with the second team.

“Coach told me to learn every position and that’s what I’ve been doing,” he said. “I feel comfortable playing D-tackle. That’s where I feel real comfortable, playing in the interior of the D-line. But I feel like I have an advantage playing outside on the edge, too.”

At the draft, Kelly said  they are were primarily looking for  Logan to play the interior to start.

Logan seems to have found a mentor in Isaac Sopoaga. He credits the former Niner for helping to shorten the learning curve.

“I have improved a lot technique wise, learning the system and the scheme. The offensive linemen in the NFL are smarter — they know the scheme, they know how to block you. So just playing behind Isaac, listening to what he tells me: how to play off the ball, to be aggressive on the center or the guard,” said Logan. “We’ll watch film. You make mistakes, and so he’ll correct me. And that’s where I really feel I’ve improved the most, learning from my mistakes and going out the next day to execute and get better.”

Logan has referred several times to the family atmosphere that he feels with this team, and with his unit in particular.

“Isaac, Cedric [Thornton], Cliff [Geathers], Fletcher Cox — all of those guys have taken me under their wing and have been mentors for me, guiding me and telling me what to expect going into training c amp and what to expect going into the season.”

It will be interesting to watch Logan at training camp, and see if he can’t push himself a little more into the conversation.

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WHAT THEY’RE SAYING

Dan Graziano writes about the Eagles’ potential push to host a Super Bowl.

The NFL knows it’s risking a huge weather mess by holding the game in a cold-weather location and a stadium without a roof. It just doesn’t care. If weather wrecks this next Super Bowl, nothing we know about the NFL indicates that it will step forward and admit it made a mistake. No, it will press on, and if owners like Lurie really, really want to host the Super Bowl and their stadiums are of sufficient caliber to do it, the game will go to those towns. Bank on it.

Geoff Mosher gives some thoughts on the offensive depth chart.

I’m going with Chris Polk over Felix Jones for the moment. Jones has the return abilities, but Polk is younger, more physical and earned some reps on the first team in camp in two-back formations. The team likes Matthew Tucker, but he’s probably a practice-squad candidate.

COMING UP

We’ll check in on a couple more rookies.

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  • Septhinox

    Glad to hear that Fletcher Cox has already become a mentor. He’s the real deal.

    • GEagle

      If Graham does his part, our weak side could become a serious Force. Much tougher to block the weak side, Cox will do his part, how good Graham can be will dictate how good our defense can be this year. I think Brandon Graham is our most crucial defender. not the best, but the most crucial..If he plays better and significantly more minutes that he played last year, we can be tough on 3rd down and that will give us a chance to mask some holes and get off the field. As long as Graham stays healthy and Hungry we can continue to realistically expect him to improve as he gets some more experience/continuity under his belt.

  • MediaMike

    I’m looking forward to see how they use Bennie Logan. Ideally you’d like a NT to be bigger than 310 and a DE to be taller than 6’2″, but Logan seems like such a powerful and athletic player that he’ll be able to work around having less than ideal size for a 3 man front.

    • GEagle

      If they wanted a 340ln NT, this was a ridiculous deep draft for it…I don’t think Logan is a coincidence. I have a feeling we will want our NT at 320lbs, who won’t just two gap, but will also shoot gaps. IMO Logan can be a better mIke Patterson. I like the pic, and I like the Flexabilit he provides all over the line.

      Sopoaga is already earning his keep. he will be so valuable for the development of Cox,Bennie,Curry,Kruger,Thorton. he is the Demeco Ryan of the Dline. Great addition.

      • MediaMike

        We’ll see how is shakes out, but I’d be most comfortable with a John Henderson type manning the NT spot to really control the point of attack. 6’7″ 350lb+ stops up a lot of play in the middle.

        • GEagle

          If that’s what Chip and Billy davis wanted, why is Clifton Gaethers mostly working at 5tec instead of NT?
          ..
          if it were up to me, we wouldn’t have let Ozzie Newsome steal the big beefy, athletic NT Brandon Williams. coming out of OTAs, Cyprien and B.Williams are the players I hear the most rave reviews about. Williams is allegedly even better then they thought…and If you hear anything coming out of Jaxonvillle, Cyprien looks like a GOD!!! Lol

          • MediaMike

            I flipped the F out when Cyprien went two picks ahead of us.

          • GEagle

            I have NO CLUE what they would have done with Ertz and Yprien both on the board, but Chip really loves Ertz, I get the hint they would have taken Ertz anyway, so it’s almost better that we don’t have to look back on Cyprien after passing him up like we do with Earl Thomas

          • MediaMike

            Or missing Ed Reed by two picks and getting quitter Lito Sheppard instead.

          • GEagle

            Lol thanks for the pleasant eArly morning reminder lol. Hope you have a great day as well jk

    • Dutch

      Geno Atkins of the Bengals is 6’1 and weighs 300 lbs. The Eagles could only hope that Logan matures to bring the impact Atkins does. From the D Tackle position he delivers 10 sacks and 55 Tackles a season. That is extraordinary play from the tackle position. He was thought by most scouts to be too small coming out of Georgia.

      If Logan is a clear menace who can kick a little tail he’s going to be more than alright in the rotation.

      • MediaMike

        Cincy plays a 4-3. Apples and oranges.

        • Dutch

          If you’re a credible impactive Defensive Tackle it matters little the scheme, you’re going to stick out and produce. Atkins is a Defensive Tackle who came out of a 3-4 at Georgia and ripping out of a 4-3 with the Bengals. Cox is converting to a 3-4 defense, I can guarantee his development and production with a different scheme is not going to matter one bit.

          • MediaMike

            Except Cox already fits the ideal body type for 3-4 DE.

          • Dutch

            .I’m anxious to see Cox and Graham collapsing one side of the offense making that area impenetrable for an opposing offense. Both play the run as well as putting pressure on a pocket. it’s going to take, in time almost a quarter of the offensive personnel lining up against them to try and contain them. I don’t buy moving him to the End in a 3-4, although he will still be covered on the outside by the OLB.

            Cox has proven himself to be a terror on the inside his rookie year. I’m not so sure that you are creating a better opportunity for his talents with that kind of move. Besides it look as if the Eagles have better Defensive Line personnel than Linebackers and you’re going to need linebacker and plenty of depth running a 3-4. The Eagles are going to have to do away with playmakers and potential playmakers on defense to get linebackers in here.

          • JofreyRice

            If they’re true to their word, Cox’s actual responsibilities are not going to change dramatically. As a 4-3 Under Tackle, he attacked the B gap by beating the guard, aligned as a 3 technique. As a 3-4/4-3 Over RE/Weakside End, he’ll be responsible for beating a guard and attacking the B gap, aligned as a 3 technique.

            I think the comparison to Geno Atkins is a huge disservice to Logan in two ways: One, Atkins might be the absolute best DT in the league right now–tough to compare a rookie 3rd rounder to that right out of the gate, and Two, it’s likely that Logan will either be asked to two-gap at the nose or the 5 technique LE/Strongside End, whereas Atkins gets to one-gap at 3 technique; always going to be easier to rack up stats there.

            If Logan can do some of the things Marcel Dareus does, in terms of affecting plays by moving blockers and pushing the pocket, while also having the ability to move around to different positions on the defense, as matchups dictate, I’d be real happy with the pick.

          • Dutch

            Maybe you read more than intended in the post about Atkins. Logan can’t compare to Atkins at this point. Without even seeing Logan play I doubt he’s as strong as Atkin who is a pure bullie inside. He plays with excellent technique, gets great leverage at the point of attack and uses his has as violently as I’ve ever seen on his opponent. Atkins is a pure menace who lines up directly covering the guard, not a gap who tosses opponents around in the same fashion that Reggie White used to toss tackles like rag dolls. Atkins pretty much goes over and through a guard he doesn’t run around his opponents, but he is as strong as an ox and absolutely manhandles whoever covers him. Cox has those capabilities and he will get better as his technique improves. What Atkins does is exclusive not all defensive tackles can be that dominating over an entire season. I think it’s a mistake to not use Cox and Gatherers at the 5 and Logan exclusive at the Nose, slanting either way but he should be locked in at the nose if we are going 5 man front. Under no circumstance can I not see Cox and Graham playing next to each other not being one of the most dominating combinations in the league with about a year’s maturity.

            I stand on what I did say in comparison to Atkins, if Logan can ‘mature” give the Eagles some of the impact Atkins provides, this would have been a knockout selection. In comparing Cox production as a rookie to Atkins, Cox was brilliant he amassed 5.5 Sacks, which is damn good from the Tackle position especially from a middle round selection in the draft. And Cox is only going to get better. I still think Cox is better 1 thru 3 as a tackle. 3 spaces him further away from the center, and with graham playing next to him, it’s near impossible to get constant help and double team Cox.

        • GEagle

          Atkins wont be a Bengal in 2015. bengals and Bills are the cheapest franchises, and are millions apart from new deals with Atkins and Byrd. Byrd has until July 15th to reach a multi year extension with the Bills or he has to play out the year on his franchise Tag and hit free agency next offseason. The Bills and Byrds are 2million annually apart on a new deal, and Byrd already stated that he won’t be giving the bills ANY Hometown discount(music to my ears)…This is the last year of Atkins rookie year and they are no where in terms of a new deal. e will get franchised at the end of the year, and Cincy probably loses him the following summer. I would be horrified if we lost young studs at the rate those franchises do.

          • Johnny Domino

            I was going to suggest the two of you get a room, but now it’s a threesome.

            Ewwwww

          • GEagle

            You won’t find me mingling with dutch

    • ICDogg

      Logan is probably a NT but he’s got to grow into it, physically and skills-wise.

      • JofreyRice

        I think so, though it would be nice if he can offer a little competition at DE, since we really only have Thornton & Geathers out there, and it might be a bit of learning curve for Curry to go from 9 tech to 5 tech.

        I think best case scenario he can be kind of a NT+. I think right away, he gives you much better athletic ability and movement than Sopoaga. LSU had him stunting and twisting quite a bit in their defense–which really helped them in the ‘Bama game and the Texas A&M game. Logan actually sacked Johnny Manziel, which is no small feat.

        They did pull him off the field for their passrush packages at some points in the A&M game, when they went to a 3 down linemen look. It seemed the 3 down look was so that they could use a mush rush to contain Manziel in the pocket, but Logan was very effective at pushing the pocket on the run downs.

        I’m glad he’s coming from a D that had so much multiplicity in the way they attacked offenses. I think that will translate well.

        • Dutch

          I think some of you are discounting Graham and Cole too much. Cole is proven in the NFL any scheme that sees Cole dropping back is a total waste of his talent. Graham hasn’t stood out in Philly because of soap opera politics. Outside of Trent Cole, there is probably not another End on the Eagles roster that can put the heat on a pocket and play the run with the same effectiveness.

          Any linebacker that can half cover a flat and tackle, is pretty much guaranteed considerations as All Pro just playing down hill behind that combination. Played right, the Eagles don’t need a recognized linebacker to play behind the combination of Graham and Cox, if he’s a guy that demonstrate good range, and stay with a back or Tight End for 10 yards in a zone he’s going to have a hell of a season.

          Thornton and Curry only needs more exposure to get better. The Eagles playing desperate didn’t give Curry a chance to develop. The internal bickering on the defense hurt those kids.The problem was the line coach, not either of those kids.

          • JofreyRice

            Where did I even mention Cole or Graham? We’re talking about Bennie Logan. I think the Predator spot suits the talents of either Cole or Graham, and that those two guys should rotate on that spot, rushing the passer, alongside Cox. I think Barwin will play the LOLB on the other side.

            The linebacker behind that combo is pretty well set as Mychal Kendricks. I am hopeful that he will have a big season. He definitely showed the talent at Cal.

            Unlike Curry, Thornton actually played a decent amount of snaps, with Washburn’s rotation. He was solid, I thought–definitely showed that he has some NFL talent to build upon. Curry’s really an unknown. Supposedly he’s shown some ability as an inside passrusher at the Senior Bowl, but I don’t think he’s ever done the two-gapping that would be required as the Strongside end. I actually like Curry as a backup to Cox at RE, better than LE, but we’ll see how it all shakes out. Maybe Davis’ defense will look less like an under front than we’re expecting.

          • theycallmerob

            Just so you know, Curry did 2-gap a bit at Marshall, with Minter and Azzinaro both familiar with his skillset. The fact they’re putting him at the 5 tells me they have a plan for him. I think letting Graham get more snaps at OTAs behind Barwin was smart; they already know he can rush the passer, they just wanted to see him move around in shorts to get some film in that regard.

            I think you’re right in that last line, re: the Davis defense; this first year or two, I would not be surprised if he builds around specific packages and substitutions rather than a true “base” defense. Almost everyone on the line can play multiple positions, save for Soap; Barwin, Graham, and Cole can all play with a hand down as DE. After this year, they can re-assess who will fit moving forward and plan accordingly.

          • Dutch

            Curry’s only problem thus far is being drafted by the Eagles. Curry didn’t get a chance to show much of his talent, but Curry has damn good technique and hands like a boxer. I don’t know where the idea originated about what Curry can’t do, given he was trapped by the internal politics on the defense to the bench. That’s the only thing that kept him out of action in 2012.

            I believe if given a chance Curry could add depth to one of those inside linebacker positions. At 6’3 and 255 lbs, Curry could crush in time at linebacker playing downhill behind Cox and Logan, depending on Logan’s development. Curry could be a point of attack beast playing inside linebacker.

            He can move, and there’s an obvious overflow of talent to develop along the defensive line, this is the perfect time to transition him. As it stands now there aren’t 4 quality starters on the roster capable of playing linebacker.

          • GEagle

            Azz n Minter being here make me so much more comfortable with Currys future

          • Dutch

            Rotating Graham and Cole pulls one of them off the field for the other and that’s a mistake. Both are the most certified and proven pass rushers on the roster and in their division. It makes no sense to give the offense a reprieve by pulling one or the other off the field for any amount of time.

            If the Eagles are playing any version of a 5 may front, Cole and Graham had better be in that lineup to create difficulties for opposing offenses. Graham and Cox are going to dominate and require at the very least 3 blockers to contain them, leaving Cole at every point with one blocker trying to slow him down coming from the other side. The Eagles have depth across the Defensive Line to ensure everyone going into the game is fresh and not worn out.

            Cole doesn’t have many years left, but what he can do now is set the standard from his position. Cole is not an easy assignment in the NFL. It’s not a good strategy to leave Trent Cole on the bench for no reason other than his leg is falling off.

          • Mike Giongo

            Agreed completely…Reid and company completely sacrificed the development of the Eagles’ young talent in an ill-fated, desperate attempt to throw together a SB-contending team. I would have loved to see Curry, Graham, and Thornton play more instead instead of trotting out an injured T-Cole (I respect his game, but he was hurt last year) and 94 (aka “He Who Shall Not Be Named”), who only gave a heck about filling the “Sacks” category of the stat sheet. Thank God that mess of a 2012 season is finally in the books…Now we can see what these guys are made of.

  • Corry

    I can’t remember the last 3rd round pick that amounted to anything for us. That seemed to be Reid’s project round.

    Hopefully Logan becomes a contributor and not just another in a long list of 3rd round blunders.

    • MediaMike

      I just threw up a little bit thinking about Reid’s guys in the 3rd round.

      • Myke Lowery

        duce and Westbrook. Burgess? the rest we’re terrible

        • MediaMike

          2011 Curtis Marsh (needs to step up this year to avoid bust status)
          2010 Daniel Te’o Neshiem (bust)
          2008: Brian Smith (bust)
          2007 Tony Hunt (bust)
          2006 Chris Gocong (bust)
          2005 Ryan Moats (bust and thug for fighting cops at a hospital)
          2004 Matt Ware (bust)
          2003 Billy McMullen (bust)

          Total collection of stiffs.

          • GEagle

            ATleast they bucked the trend with Boykin, who is already more valuable then every player you listed combined lol

          • Corry

            Boykin was a 4th round pick.

          • GEagle

            Oh yeh..Duh. I desperately wanted Boykin in round 3..can’t tell you how happy I was to still have gotten him in round 4(that’s why I will always think of him as a 3rd rd pick lol)

          • A Roy

            I don’t categorize Te’o Neshiem and Gocong as busts. They were never given the chance to be successful here. I think both were still starters elsewhere last year. Agree on all the others, though. As a State fan, I was truly disappointed Tony Hunt couldn’t cut it.

          • eaglepete

            “A police officer was placed on administrative leave Thursday over a
            traffic stop involving an NFL player whom he kept in a hospital parking
            lot and threatened to arrest while his mother-in-law died inside the
            building.” per Ryan Moats, hardly thug behavior, just more over the top cop behavior, you know the types, were bullied in school so become cops for the power trip ha

          • aub32

            Don’t forget Nick Foles…..I kid

        • Corry

          Duce wasn’t a Reid pick. Westbrook seems to really be the only one to amount to anything.

    • Dutch

      The Eagles commonly received in the draft what they were looking for most, Character Guys and not menacing Football players. Andy did a magnificent job with overachievers.

      • Corry

        I agree. They got a lot of over achiever types and were able to find some great players, but Reid’s track record in the 3rd round is horrible. Late rounds though, Reid was very good.

        • Dutch

          That’s amazing that Reid lasted 14 years throwing away the first 3 rounds of the draft every year. 2009 2nd produced DJax who was the only playmaker drafted in the First 3 Rounds in all that time and it worked………..

          • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

            Nailing that first pick as head coach helped quite a bit. With out Donnie I doubt Andy’s tenure would have been near as long.

          • BigWhoopWannaFightAboutIt

            No one said that, not even close.

    • JBShakes

      “I can’t remember the last 3rd round pick that amounted to anything for
      us.”

      There was that running back from Villanova…what was his name again?

      • Corry

        “Westbrook seems to really be the only one to amount to anything.” Is what I said above. He’s really the only 3rd round draft pick in the previous 14 years to be a good player.

        • B-West

          For perspective, the success rate for a 3rd round pick is really low. You could probably make the argument that finding just one franchise type stud in Westbrook along with all those busts is actually outperforming the expectations.

          I know this is a link is to another msg board, so dismiss it if you wish. Buts its a pretty strong set of data.

          http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?38395-NFL-Draft-Success-by-Round

          • Corry

            By that graph, yes we are lucky to have at least one star player out the third round. Using the graph description and using my own opinion of the players, we got one star player (Westbrook), one JAG (Gocong), and then…junk. So in that regard I think we’re hitting far below the league average.

            I probably wouldn’t have said anything had at least two of those guys had the very least been solid depth players.

            On a side note, I’m assuming the numbers are inclusive for the graph. For example, superstar players are counted as players who played at least 8 games. I assume this because the numbers add up to well over 100% if you reasonably estimate the data points.

          • B-West

            Right, I read it that way, too. If you have a superstar, he counts in all of the below categories as well.

            You are probably correct concerning the 3rd round, although I think there is something to be said for landing a stud. Hell, for how many years did Westbrook carry a pedestrian set of skill players?

            I just wanted to add some perspective concerning the draft picks. All too often they are thought to be way too valuable, and their expected success rates over-inflated.

  • MediaMike

    If the NFL can give that wretched hive of scum and villainy this year’s Superbowl we deserve one 27 times over. Our stadium is actually in our city as opposed to a swamp miles away from anything else.

    • GEagle

      We need to show that our field can be better than pathetic to host a SB.
      ..
      As for the 2013 Eagles. I think we could learn a lesson from the 2012 sixers. Doug Collins last year made the decision to go on a limited, fools gold playoff run, choosing to sit young players to play veterans that he knew he would get rid of the moment the playoff ended. I’m sure DC saw some potential in Vucevic, but had he actually played and developed the kid, I doubt we would have traded him, and we wouldn’t be looking like the laughing stock of the NBA after he went on t be one of the most beastly young players in the NBA. I hope we learn a lesson from last years sixers team. WE need to start identifying which young players we can build our future around, and which players just don’t fit Chips vision…a playoff birth, losing in the next round Is Worthless unless it’s coming off the back of young kids who can still be Eagles in 2015. I wouldn’t want to see Maclin benched for Avant. I wouldnt want to see Graham benched for Cole, and I damn sure wouldn’t want to see Vick play ahead of Foles.
      ..
      besides the Oline, we are a very young team. Young players can impress you in practice, but only to a certain degree. Some guys are Gamers who elevate their games in front of the bright lights. Conversly there are star practice players who crumble under the bright lights. No playoff birth led by my Vick is worth is worth a potential Vucevic situation. I will seriously lose my mind, if Foles sits the bench this year, and doesn’t show enough in practice, gets traded next offseason(rich QB draft) and goes on to make us sick to our stomachs like Vucevic did this year…You have to give young players extended playing time in a healthy environment. it’s the only way to know just how much he can grow, and who he can become. Not having those answers cripples us going forward. making uninformed decision can lead to critical mistakes..Find the proper balance this season between being successful AND auditioning our young players for the chip Kelly era, so we can make educated decisions next offseason…

      directly out of Chips mouth..”QBs are like tea bags, You can NEVER kow what you really have until you put them in Hot water”…so practice what you preach!!!
      There is Nothing Cole could do, to make it worth keeping Graham out of Hot water. there is NOTHING Vick could do that makes it worth keeping Foles out of hot water. decisions on those two young men will need to be made in the future. We are talking about a young QB and a young pass rusher, two of the most crucial positions in football..Vick and Cole, at their age, coming off a 4-12 season, not being Super Bowl contenders, is not worth keeping our kids off the field. even if you hate Foles, graham and want them traded away. Nothing is more important than Making sure you won’t be trading away the next Vucevic like Doug Collins did.

      • BrickSquadMonopoly

        Collins top 5 coach in NBA. Bynum reason sixers bad

    • Richard Colton

      “wretched hive of scum and villainy” – was there ever a better description of Giant’s stadium?

      You’ve never heard of Victor Cruz? He ran the 50 in under 8 parsecs. He’s fast enough for you old man.

      • PaoliBulldog

        Ah yes, the parsec, transmogrified by George Lucas into a unit of time, not distance.

        • hillbillybirdsfan

          Part of me wants to make fun of him for this, but the other part of me keeps giving directions to people with information like ‘Make a left around 20 minutes up the road.’

  • illadelphia21

    Not down on Logan at all. Think he’s a decent player and hopefully he will show this and more on the field. But I’m wondering, is there anybody on this D that’s not such a nice guy and just wants to kill everything that moves? (Besides C. Will) I understand the high character aspect of things and that’s all fine and well, but I would just love to have 3 to 4 players on this D that come off as ‘borderline sociopaths’. I’m tired of our D being/having this soft label, and while I do think this years D is bigger, tougher, and better tackling, I still would love to see a bunch of players that go out and hunt w/ extreme prejudice on game days. Throughout all the blurbs from interviews of our defensive players I’m just not getting that impression, save C. Will.

    • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

      Not sure what you’re basing this off. We haven’t seen most of the defense play on game day yet. Most of the “soft” label our defense got the last few years was from our secondary play (DRC, Nnamdi, Asante, Nate Allen). Trent Cole is an absolute beast on Sundays. You don’t get that production at his small size without being a little crazy. Williams, Cox, Barwin are all fiery guys on games day. Heck, Sopoaga said on in his press conference that he was “… here to hunt.”

      Some of the best defensive players in the league are soft spoken outside of game days. They let their work they do in practice and on Sundays do their talking.

      • illadelphia21

        You’re taking it as if I’m criticizing, which I’m not. I just want to see this D go an extremely different direction from the softness that developed over the latter years of the Reid tenure. And while Nnammdi and DRC were the poster children for soft the last 2 yrs, they were not the only ones on the D that either played soft or were viewed as soft. At least Asante was laying out a couple guys, on several occasions, when he wasn’t to busy picking off passes. I love me som Cox :) yet I wouldn’t consider him to have a Greg Lloyd, James Harrison, Axe man, demeanor. Same goes for Cole. Let it be known I do not think Cox nor Cole are soft. And as for we haven’t seen this guys play yet, well that’s incorrect. Minus our draft picks we’ve seen nearly the every D player play cause most of them are vets and there’s tape on all of them. So clarifying. Yes we have a stigma of being soft. No I do not think this yrs D will carry that rep any further. Still, I just want a couple more guys who have on field attitude problems, borderline batshit crazy, such as C. Will. They don’t have to be superstars, just have an edge or chip and set the tone. Coleman tried at this last year but failed.

        • ICDogg

          Have you seen Logan play? He’s anything but soft. In fact, I would say he is more likely to have a problem with over-agressive play than softness. He’s got to grow some more, gain more strength, and learn the game better in terms of recognizing things, since he’s not a particularly fast guy. But if you’re looking for a bull rusher with violent hands, he’s already that.

          • illadelphia21

            Before you comment on my comments please read thoroughly.

          • eaglepete

            duh

          • illadelphia21

            ???

          • illadelphia21

            Sorry if I came off dick-ish. I do like your assessment of Logan. Just I never called him soft. I actually didn’t specifically name any players as soft other than Nnamdi and DRC. I think Cliff hit the nail on the head when he basically said the team as a whole was perceived that way but not on an individual basis. Once again I do not think this yrs D is soft or will b. I just want a couple more players that are the extreme opposite of that, demeanor wise.

          • GEagle

            I’m done pulling punches lol..I flat out expect Kendrick’s and Cox to possibly become all pro’s in a few years and be our best players. How you like them apples? Lol JK

            But I do get what you are saying and feel your pain about wanting some thug beasts on defense, which is why I drooled when Bernard Pollard hit the market

          • illadelphia21

            I expect the same from those two, yet although I really like Kendricks and glad we drafted him (toss up between him and Wagner that yr for me) I’m more worried bout him than Cox reaching that level

          • GEagle

            Kendrick’s IMO can become special. he was used terribly last year. Kendrick’s can do so many things for us, yet he basically spent the year doing the one thing he had no experience in..playing man to man defense in coverage..Yet you would NEVER know that he didn’t know what he was doing in man coverage by watching him play. he hasn’t even come closed to being able to use his strengths for us yet, and we already came away impressed with Him. I literally see NO limits for how good his ability, and Charecter can allow him to become…Other than him not being 6’4, there isn’t much you can complain about with Kendrick’s. I can’t even fathom have much better he will look in coverage now that he knows what he is doing playing man to man…and we haven’t even seen him blitz yet, which he was very good at in college..We worry about the way some players will transition to this new scheme, but the new scheme is a GOD SEND for Mykal…If I had to set odds on who will be the best Eagles in 2016..I would say Cox, Kendrick’s, Ertz and Lane would be my best bet

          • nicksaenz1

            Yeah, I think we all wanted the Patriot Killer

          • illadelphia21
          • illadelphia21

            That’s the type of attitude I’m talking about and would love to have set the tone for this D!

          • cliff henny

            guy is supposably a huge locker room cancer though. reason he as good as he is and cant stick on a team.

          • theycallmerob

            yup. The Ravens kept him in check.

            Keep in mind- a lot was made of the purge of their Super Bowl defense, but the underlying current was that many of them were Ego players. Without Reed and Lewis, Harbaugh the Better used this offseason to finally put his stamp on the entire team. CW and Pollard both fell in this category. Ellerbe and Kruger simply took advantage of the timing and got paid. The new defensive vets/captains are Suggs, Ngata, and Corey Graham- none of whom are rabble-rousers.

            http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-03-13/sports/bal-mike-preston-the-ravens-are-officially-john-harbaughs-team-now-20130313_1_john-harbaugh-mike-preston-bernard-pollard

          • cliff henny

            all you need is ray lewis and ed reed…that’s it, it’s simple, lol. like all we want is another dawkins at safety. ellerbee might be the one they miss most, he can ball.

          • theycallmerob

            very true. He’s the one true case, IMO, where the $ was the obstacle to him coming back. Banner et al. paid way too much for Kruger.

          • illadelphia21

            Yeah I knew someone would bring that up. Strong locker room leadership. Despite the mutiny on the B-More Harbor he still was their enforcer and they still did well.

          • GEagle

            No one separates recievers from their consciousness like that dude!!!! Leaves dudes twitching on the turf, not sure of where they are. lay the wood to recievers all game long, and in the 4th quarter they start hearing foot steps and start dropping catchable balls…If Chung DONKEY KONGS Victor Cruz, I will NEVER mention Pollards name again

          • theycallmerob

            I love the man’s spirit, but I feel similar to him as I do C-Dub and would have been just as hesitant of the signing. We don’t have a great cover safety to play over top of Pollard, and his coverage inabilities would stand out more in Kelly’s Left/Right safety setup (contrasted to the FS/SS). Pollard is exclusively a run-first SS.

            Plus, there’s no better fit for him than TEN and their new coach Williams. Either he’s doing 25-to-life by the end of the season, or a black hole is going to open under LP field.

          • Dutch

            Pollard’s skills set is perfect for the 3-4, that’s a defense to contain the run. The Eagles are going to need a crucifier at safety. They’ve already beefed up the upper middle, and Ryan is capable on the second tier, the missing piece is the toll collector on the back end.

            Receivers are going to catch ball over the middle, the best you can do is dissuade their second attempt. The best safeties are those who have the reputation of delivering Knockout Blows. A good safety doesn’t need blinding speed, or great coverage skills if he can consistently deliver crushing shots.

          • theycallmerob

            This is not your typical 3-4, though. Read some of the articles where Davis and Lovett are describing the defense- the safeties have equal responsibilities (right/left of field), and play predominantly pass-first. Pollard is a liability in coverage. This year is even more critical, since we don’t have CBs anywhere near the level of Webb, Graham, Smith (though we do have C-Dub now). It’s one of the reasons Allen may actually do well in this scheme, and has been seeing time with the 1′s- he was always more of a center-fielder.

          • GEagle

            I think the goal is to eventually have two interchangeable safeties..But Chip made it sound like he wasn’t sure if he had that on this roster yet, and if you don’t, then you will have to go with a STRONG and a FREE instead of the desired Left and Right. my guess is Chung will patol the box, and Nate will stay in coverage…Wolff can grow into an interchangeable safety, but won’t be ready any time soon. I think Allen is soft. he could possibly get his confidence back and grow into a good centerfielder, but I don’t think he is physical or tough enough to ever make a consistent impact in the box….

          • Dutch

            Typical or not, the 3-4 is the basic 5 man front in a common 7 defender defense used as a run containment defense. In any 3-4 you’re going to need exception skills outside and a meat eater protecting the goal line who is complemented by another who is capable of filling a running lane.

            There aren’t many safeties if any capable of staying one on one with burners on the outside, so they primarily need to be sufficient in playing Tight Ends in the seams. Still they are going to have passes caught on them over the middle, but they need to punish receivers who do catch those balls over the middle at all cost.

            Pollard didn’t need to be good at coverage, so long as Reed was in center field protecting the goal line, and his corners were good enough to play against the speed outside. All he had to do was cover the rushing lanes and seek out and destroy, which he did rather well on his way to winning a super bowl in support of Nogita, Lewis and B Sizzle…….

          • theycallmerob

            “…so long as Reed was in center field protecting the goal line, and his corners were good enough to play against the speed outside”

            you said it right there; that’s our problem here, and it would expose him more. Just my take.

            And I’m also pretty sure we signed Chung before Pollard hit the market; in that case, it didn’t make sense to sign both. Wonder what they may have done if it played out otherwise.

          • Dutch

            Chung couldn’t get on the field in New England, so I don’t expect much from him, and would be disappointed if he lasted beyond the last cut. If the Eagles can’t find someone better to beat him out of a roster spot that dooms the back end defense. Keeping Allen and Coleman is a indicator of the severity of the problems in the Eagles secondary.

            As I stated, given the adaption of a 5 man front, without safeties to collect tolls on the back end, especially over the middle the 2013 season is destined to be a long painful season for the Eagles defense. If you are looking to sign safeties based on their coverage skills instead of what they bring in support to your front 7, the battle is already loss on the outsides.

          • theycallmerob

            You are aware that Chung is a very physical player, yes? In fact, it’s probably his best skill.
            And I checked- he was signed before Pollard was released. And you’re nuts if you think they’re cutting a guy who Kelly/Roseman brought in on a 3yr/10 mil contract. Then again, I’m sure you’ll say him and Barwin are both hitting the streets in August.

          • Dutch

            I’m aware Chung couldn’t get on the Field in New England and that’s reason enough that I don’t think

            he should even be considered as a capable fill in, in Philly. I’m don’t have any expectations for Berwin based on what I’ve seen in a review of his game.

            I don’t think Berwin is capable of being equally as disruptive as what is presently on the Eagles roster, and Chung if he wasn’t good enough for New England, who has a middle of the road defense he’s not suitable for my taste and requirements for the Eagles. It’s not like Chung at Safety is in the same league as Cornerback Samuels who we also got from the Patriots.

          • Richard Colton

            I too am skeptical of Berwin

          • illadelphia21

            Holy sh!t I’m laughing so hard right now. Your comment was good, but for the simple fact that Dutch somehow managed to bring a Chung debate back round to his hatred of all things “Berwin”!

          • theycallmerob

            that was my fault, my sincerest apologies. it’s like holding a toddler over the lions at the zoo- they can only resist so long. hakuna matata.

          • illadelphia21

            Well just wanna say thank you. That just concluded my 12 hr work day in stunning fashion.

          • Dutch

            I don’t hate Chung, he’s actually never been on my radar. What is perplexing to me is how can anyone expect much from Chung when he couldn’t get on the field in New England who doesn’t have a competing defense.

            I would have never thought Chung if I’m looking to improve that position and
            Charles Woodson is available.

            Difficult for me to believe Safety was a priority and no attempt was made to sign some of the safeties who traded teams this year.

          • illadelphia21

            I know you don’t hate Chung. And I feel the same way as you do about him. But we all know that your hatred of Connor Barwin/Berwin runs deep!

          • Dutch

            Don’t hate Barwin, I hated the Eagles selling Barwin as some savior which I believe he’s anything but that. I just don’t see based on my review of Barwin, him keeping Graham or Cole on the bench for much beyond a pop, or soda break.

            Cole is a two time pro bowl selection, Graham given opportunity is not going to denied significant time on the field due to Barwin’s play if it resembles what I saw. That’s not even a possibility.

            If Barwin keeps either of them on the bench, we are back to square one with Reid like nuclear stubbornness.

            If you’re a longtime Eagles fan you’re going to recognize a dollar short and day late linebacker play, most of you born after 1992 haven’t seen true linebacker play by anyone wearing an Eagles uniform. Ryan is coming around but he’s still a drag down, and not a blowing up the gap performer at linebacker. For now that’s going to have to due.

          • cliff henny

            chung takes horrible angles, just horrible. Bellichek can live with the catch, but not the RAC. when chung takes right angle, he fine, but that’s a big if/when. personally, think chung is huge liability in secondary.

          • theycallmerob

            “He’s a lover, not a fighter, but he’s also a fighter, so don’t get any ideas. He is…the Most Interesting Man in the World”

          • Richard Colton

            he once bred a pair of unicorns…male unicorns
            his “2 cents” shamed an entire generation of Philly beat writers
            he successfully lobbied the NFL to change Mike Patterson’s stats

            he is…the most interesting man on Birds 24/7

          • Johnny Domino

            I have always liked Berwyn, but think Paoli is overrated.

            Sorry Bulldog.

          • GEagle

            ROB..Chung sucks in coverage, Allen is a wimp in the box. Chung will probably be only used in the box…no reason why Pollard couldn’t have played the role that I envision Chung playing this year..Chung beats out Pollard in terms of Charecter/locker room, and special teams. if you can’t play Chung in coverage, then why wouldn’t Pollard fit?

          • illadelphia21

            Good point and interesting question.

          • GEagle

            lucky for me that Pollard wasn’t released until Chung was already signed or this would have driven me crazy. Although I certainly understand why Chung would have been the much safer option, considering our locker room and team culture is not yet established..I am very excited however about Chung on ST and it doesn’t get talked about enough. Chung is also capable of hitting harder than anything we have seen in the secondary since Mikkel and Dawk, so there is still silver lining for myself. I know Pollard isn’t this great player, just one of those guys I just love for how Physical he is… Hopefully we establish a strong locker room in the next year or two so we can eventually add a player or two like Pollard…but we could certainly do without his baggage in year 1(the cancer removal stage of the rebuilding process). Can’t add a guy like that when you still haven’t Identified and removed all the potentially cancerous rumors from the roster

          • theycallmerob

            Not sure who you’ve been watching, but Pollard is nowhere near Chung’s coverage abilities (and trust me, that is not to promote Chung’s skills). Chung will be playing in coverage here, but is more of an all-around than pollard. And the character, locker room, and ST traits go a long way. By no means is this to say that Chung is the fix to our secondary. But Kelly’s familiarity with him speaks volumes to his signing. Lastly, if I’m not mistaken, Chung signed before Pollard hit the market.

            I’ve seen almost every one of Pollard’s games in purple, and I’m just not real big on him. You’re free to disagree. Just my take on the guy.

          • GEagle

            fair enough…other than being a ferocious enforcing hitter, there isn’t much more I like out of the guy. the only thing I really see differently than you, is Chung being used a lot in coverage. if Kenny Phillips or by some miracle Wolff starts opposite of Chung I might expect to see more of an interchangeable thing with Chung spending time in coverage…but If Allen starts opposite of Chung, I don’t see how you could send Allen in the box and Chung in coverage too often…so if those two start, I expect a much more Strong Safety, and Free safety type of deal…You could be right tho..certainly don’t think Chung will be our starting safety for the next 5 years… Kurt Oneman makes him look like Ed Reed in his prime, so it could be much worse lol

          • theycallmerob

            He’s a stopgap, as I’m sure most of the secondary is at this point until next year’s draft. I just pray we score 50+ every game.

          • GEagle

            My statement really isn’t based on liking Pollard in coverage. It speaks more to me worrying about Chung in coverage. Chung is young enough to still improve, so I still have some hope for him to be more than a stop gap, but I wouldn’t bet on it

          • Dutch

            The Eagles passing defense surrendered 33 Touchdown, the Patriots 27, the Raven 15…..

            What you may think about Pollard as a pass defender isn’t borne in the team statistics.The Question was who and what were you watching when you thought you were watching the Ravens? The Ravens pass defense didn’t give up a touchdown every game.

          • cliff henny

            he was probably watching ed reed, maybe the best safety of alltime, erase any mistakes a number of players made. who were you watching when ravens played?

          • theycallmerob

            No place for his skillset on his team. Though I would have signed him just to dress for the Pats game. Belichick would probably start Mallett.

          • Dutch

            I think Logan given time to develop in the weight room, and improve his technique can be a significant addition. I never focused on a Logan watching LSU, but you could see the nose tackle in that scheme created push that his linemates benefited from. At 6’0 or 6’1 he can be effective using larger opponents leverage against them, he’s already low and if he can get his hands up and placed between their shoulders he can learn to ride them back into the quarterback or dump his opponent out of his path. Strength and mastering his hand placement is all he will need to become an effective interior crusher.

        • cliff henny

          where reid’s undersized guys showed most. hard to be physically dominant when front 7 is out-weighed by 40lbs per man. secondary was just recent, dawkins would have killed nnamdi or dcr. doubt any guy gets to play in nfl interior with soft play, we just perceived that since we were so physically over-matched, with historically putrid secondary

        • GEagle

          Oh Illadelp.we have plenty of young Killas! They just need o develope. First of all, when Graham played last year, he played like a man possessed, bull rushing everything you put in front of him. What excites me about Graham is I’m counting on Azz to really help him start to use his hands as weapons..Fletcher Cox that kid is NOT soft. Vinny Curry is too Hungry to be soft, and is a much better player than Philadelphia thinks. If it weren’t for the scheme change, d be ranting and raving about Curry all summer. I still think he can play a role in our scheme, I just don’t know to what degree..but we can count on him playing the game the violent way a defender should play. The only thing Juan was right about is Kendrick’s is a LB that you don’t want to see in a Dark Alley. I’m done tempering my expectations about Kendrick’s, I’m expecting a damn probowler beast out of him. One of the most athletic LB’s in the entire NFL, versatile, who is the perfect mix of good hardworking Charecter, and just game day nastiness. Chung is a liability in coverage, but ATleast he will punch you in your mouth..Cary is tough and feisty and Bradley Fletch is the same, just more under control than Cary. Barwin and Meco will NEVER be soft…..I don’t know how good we will be, but I’m expecting some boys that will hit and play hard…and that’s a good first step compared to what defense in this city has looked like since JJ passed away…..Jarius Byrd will make such a difference. Gotta find a way to get him.

          • illadelphia21

            I think you guys (Adam,Cliff, you) aren’t getting what I’m talking bout. This is not about play or production. And i already Said this D will not be soft. My original post was more to the point of demeanor and attitude. All the guys you’re high on, I’m high on. All the things you think about those guys developing, I think them.

            Edit: give me a couple more guys w/ attitudes like Dawk, Axe Man, C. Will.

          • cliff henny

            i got you…think it was scheme and size, not players, cant see soft making to nfl. i agree with you though, but not on individual players more on team as a whole. heck, i’d say we played soft as an o-line, even with on average one of the biggest in league. pass protected 60% and most runs were draws. when it came time to physically dominate, they just werent that great at it. cole is as nasty as you can ask for, but every year like clockwork, he’d get run down because only so long you can battle a guy who outweighs you by 60lbs. we percieved it as soft…trust me, i yelled it every game…one reason i really like kelly, he’s not building a passive team. o-line is finally going to poundon some guys. if yardstick is dawk, than al but 10-12 players to ever play nfl are soft..why he’s all-timer, damn i miss that guy.

          • illadelphia21

            Great point bout Cole

          • nicksaenz1

            I’d give a nut to watch him come crawling out of the tunnel again and break a dude’s ribs…. luckily for my nut there’s youtube

          • cliff henny

            luv the alge crumpler catch in nfccg..remember saying right afterwords ‘great play, but his ribs are in his shoes now’.

          • JBShakes

            But Dawk WASN’T like that off the field. He was an “inside the lines” psycho. I really don’t get the fascination that many Eagles fans seem to have with the idea that teams that TALK a lot about how big and bad they are are somehow more successful, because that’s not really my experience. There are some exceptions to the rule (the ’85 Bears come to mind), but usually teams that do a lot of talking wind up being a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

          • illadelphia21

            Correct Dawk was a Christian off the field. But because of his on the field play and persona he didn’t have to be like that off the field. His on the field play was very a very critical part of that. Like I said before, a couple more guys w/ the attitude. Not a whole defense full of guys like that. And they do not have to be superstars ala Dawkins. Hell they can be rotational guys for all I care.
            Take Ryans, for example. He’s the complete opposite of what I’m talking about as far as demeanor, yet I wouldn’t change one thing about him as far as play, leadership style, or on/off the field persona. Not every player needs to be a raving lunatic, hell not even most of the players

          • Dutch

            The question on the Eagles heart developed from teams watching the offensive line stand around with their hands in their pockets as their Quarterback was taking late hits and being mauled in the pocket.

            It’s a pretty much a unwritten rule, if the offensive line allows, rough up and take extra shots on their Quarterback if they don’t respond, you can slap them around and take what you want from them all day. So without Peters that’s a distinction the Offensive Line wears proudly. Andy Reid preached restrain and passiveness.

            The solution to being bullied, is to body slam somebody after your QB has taken a questionable shot. You can’t allow players to challenge your manhood on the gridiron and you not respond in kind. I was the tameness of the offensive line at training camp. The loud talking defensive line would often intimidate the Eagles Offensive Line.

          • illadelphia21

            Dammit Dutch! I’ve agreed w/ you on multiple comments and points today, including this one. There’s gotta be some sort of law or rule against that…jk. Honestly I thought I was the only one noticing that. You did leave out one thing however. When the O-line is allowing that to go on w/ out any repercussions, then it becomes the job of the D to make the opposing teams offense feel what their qb is feeling and then some. Somewhere down the line the whole team lost this basic principle. A principle that is instilled in you from the 1st time you suit up and play in pop warner.

          • illadelphia21

            Totally agree about Graham and if he picks up on using his hands and gets a couple of counter moves its game over for tackles trying to block him. Kid is seriously freakishly strong.

      • JofreyRice

        I remember the Seahawks game a couple years back where Russell Okung was shoving Cole a bit after the whistle. Instead of pushing back, Cole ended up doing a hip throw on Okung, and accidentally hurt Okung’s shoulder. I think after the game, they told him about it and he was like “oh well”. Yeah, he’s a tough dude.

    • Dutch

      Cox “ain’t no” Bitch…….. I was very impressed with him getting kicked out of the Detroit Game for throwing a punch. NFL Defensive Tackles don’t rack up 5.5 sacks being a pansy. For as gentle as Reggie White came off in interviews, he was a stone cold “talking to himself” psychopath at the snap of the ball.

      I’m like you, I don’t believe in diplomats in the trenches, which brings me to the Eagles Offensive Line. Outside of Peters, the Offensive Line is more fitness than they are taking no “chit” brutes. One of the attributes that stood out for me with Lane Johnson is that he can be quite nasty. In the trenches the going is “The nastier the better”. Solid citizens need not apply…..

      • illadelphia21

        Lmbo, I did forget that Cox did that. Makes me love him even more. I can definitely roll w/ your 2nd paragraph.

    • xlGmanlx

      You can be high character and still enjoy mixing it up. But it all goes back to what Chip says, dumb players make dumb plays, so while having a chip is nice, making stupid decisions quickly overrides any value.

      • illadelphia21

        Of course nothing you said is false. I do think that’s where locker room leadership comes into play also. And of course I don’t want someone who’s going to F us w/ personal fouls all the time, but once in awhile you gotta have that guy who just doesn’t give a fnck be willing and able to send a message.

  • Richard Colton

    I’ll buy into Bennie Logan having all of the intangibles to succeed. And he does have good size and strength to take on OTs/OGs at the 3-4 DE or NT spot. His college production doesn’t wow me though, so i’ll reserve judgement until he has a year or two under his belt.

    BL got picked at 67 – I’m thinking the guy picked at 69 is going to be a star.

    • EaglesFanInPhx

      Don’t have the draft in front of me and am feeling lazy, who was 69?

      • Gary

        Tyrann Mathieu. Not sure I agree with that.

        • Richard Colton

          I’m just being pessimistic. We’ve been wandering around like Moses in the desert at Safety since Weapon X left for Denver, and the guy who goes two picks after our third round selection becomes an All Pro. Wouldn’t that be our luck?

          • theycallmerob

            He’s an interesting case, though; much harder to get in trouble in AZ, I imagine, and most certainly less pressure, from the fans and media. He also has his best friend in Patrick Peterson, along with fellow Tiger Kevin Minter whom they drafted 2nd rd. He’ll have more time to develop and is surrounded by some talented, hard-working veterans.

            If the badger of honey does succeed, all of that will have played a big role. Not sure walking into Philly at this time, with this team, under this coach would have been close to ideal.

          • GEagle

            So true…City that you play in could have a huge role in his success. bringing him to Philly would have been like serving a lobster-steak dinner to our circus gossipy media

    • GEagle

      Don’t think he was used in a way where his production could wow you. Strong Intangible glue guy for a line. The type of player that does dirty work at a high level that directly contributes to the success of his team mates. I envision a better version of Mike Patterson

      • Richard Colton

        i’ll take that. at 3-4 DE or NT, you just need to keep the LBs clean enough to make the tackle. If he doesn’t get moved and the LBs look great – I’m overjoyed.

        • GEagle

          Justin Smith type is what he could ideally become. long ways to go tho

      • theycallmerob

        well said; I see shades of Patterson as well. He was always one of my favorite Eagles of the Reid tenure.

        This time next year, I’d love to see a Curry-Logan-Cox line, or Kruger-Logan-Cox.

        • Richard Colton

          Kruger big enough for 3-4 DE?

          • theycallmerob

            6-6, 270 already, and he just turned 21. Big as a brick outhouse

          • illadelphia21

            Not big enough yet, but as you stated, he is still young. Needs another 20-30 lbs.

          • theycallmerob

            the weight will come, let the NFL get ahold of him. I’ve met the guy in person, his frame can easily hold that weight. Man among boys.

          • GEagle

            You really saw Krugs potential when the Utah defense had opponents backed up into the goal line. in those situations you could usually find Kruger turn it on, and play like a madman trying to get that safety. love his potential, but it will require some patience

          • theycallmerob

            7th rounder for a reason. I’m glad we took the gamble, and I hope Azz makes a man out of him. But even at that age, you can just watch a guy and know: ballplayer.

          • cliff henny

            i have my doubts, for one undisputable reason…philly always gets the wrong bother

          • theycallmerob

            haha, don’t worry there’s a 3rd- Dave, who Cleveland signed as an UDFA. I’m hedging he’s the runt, since the good lord hates cleveland.

          • cliff henny

            he really does. after everything, all that elway did to them, lebron, the weather…then to send them banner, like backing up just to run over them again

        • GEagle

          yeAh, that’s my ideal scenario for next year as well. Although who would complain if that Elephant Gaethers turned into a menacing Monster and started stampeding Olinemen? Lol
          ..
          Gotta love n Respect Mike Patt..The Avant of the DLine for many years

          • theycallmerob

            I’m not big on Geathers (as weird as that sentence was to type). He’s seen NFL game action, and the colts (in rebuild mode) traded him and “all that potential” for Havili, who would probably have been cut anyway. Makes me wonder….

          • cliff henny

            seems like the guy you want coming off the bus first, but shouldnt see the field

          • theycallmerob

            stick ‘em at FB on the goa line.

          • cliff henny

            lol…you know, sheil should write an article about kelly goalline or short yardage possibilities. with 4 TEs(shaw or carrier, not harbor) and johnson, be a fun read. when’s the first game!?!?!?

          • Richard Colton

            speaking of TE packages, remember the 24/7 debate on TEs a few weeks ago?

            Based on the past 24 hours – would you rather have Ertz/Casey/Celek or Gronk/Hernandez?

          • cliff henny

            well, we want nastiness, soooo, hernandez seems to have some issues.

          • GEagle

            STick a fork in Gronk. he will spend the next 4 season missing more games than Vick…Have a feeling this is Celeks last year here, but could easily be wrong

          • theycallmerob

            Keep in mind, though- as much trouble as our TEs get in, they can always rely on our getaway driver to clear the scene before the pigs arrive.

          • GEagle

            I’m not going to sit here and pretend I have ever seen him play a single snap..and I see what you see. I don’t think it’s possible to be high on Coifton at this point…I guess I’m just holding out hope for Chip figuring out a way to Bobby bOuche him, and just piss him the hell off to get him to just play like a Bull with his balls tied lol…I don’t have faith in him, but I couldn’t be happier than seeing a man that size, turn into a player! You won’t catch me holding breath

          • Richard Colton

            we said the same things about King Dunlap, man I hope this is different.

          • GEagle

            Yes sir..and like King Dunlap, aggression and Getting low enough to play with Leverage consistently will be the questions

          • Dutch

            I have doubts about Geathers also, but Gathers come from an unreal pedigree. I can’t remember when is Dad, or Uncles, cousins and siblings were not on a team and contributing in the NFL. The Geathers have a solid line as deep and accomplished as the Mathews.

            It’s probably difficult for Geathers to go home to a family bar b que and not having significant statistics. They may request that he eats at the childrens table.

        • Dutch

          Any similarities with Patterson is horrible. As a first round pick, Patterson didn’t produce as you would hope a first round selection would, which isn’t out of the norm for Eagles draft picks through the period.

          He was below average at best and you could have found a Tackle in the latter rounds to give you what Patterson gave your defense. He was a space eater and non effective at that considering how teams gashed the Eagles over Patterson’s tenure.

          I doubt Patterson had a year with more than 25 Tackles.

          • theycallmerob

            I mean really Dutch, it only takes 15 sec on Google.

            http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/8445/mike-patterson

            I believe you meant to say “Patterson had more than 25 tackles EVERY year”
            This comparison is way more sensible than to Atkins, arguably the greatest DT in the league right now.

          • Dutch

            Patterson still with getting on average 49 tackles a season was still ineffective at what he did with the Eagles.

            The Rushing yards by opposing offenses back up whether or not Patterson was effective, and he gave nothing in getting to the Quarterback. Patterson has 6.5 more sacks over his career than Atkins had last year. To go one further, Cox had 5.5 Sacks in 14 Games, as compared to Patterson’s 16.5 over his entire career.

            Patterson as the starting defensive tackle was the primary reason opposing Teams sought to run against the Eagles and why they couldn’t get off the field over the last several years.

          • Dutch

            It’s difficult to have any appreciation for Patterson when he filled a spot once held by Jerome Brown, and Cory Simons on the Eagle Defensive Line.

            Patterson was a disappoint given those Defensive Tackles.

          • GEagle

            Oh Dutch, did you really think you would have gotten me to Bite? Lol try again

    • Dutch

      Over the last few years, it was Logan’s play at Nose Tackle that got those LSU Defensive Ends selected with high picks in the draft.

      A good nose tackle isn’t going to rack up impressive stats, it’s the “Extraordinary” nose tackles that rack up amazing Stats. Good Nose Tackles are those who work and game benefits the Ends and Linebackers who play immediately around him. Cox play in 2012 helped Ryan rack up over 100 tackles for the Eagles. That never happened during the Reid era.

    • The_Rick

      Mathieu could become a star, but I had my eye on Wilson, who was drafted at 70 by the Titans.

      • cliff henny

        did you hear the interview after getting picked? i dont need (or want) bunch of valedictorians, but holy smokes, that was scary bad. he might be ok for the first year, but way too much free time, cant see him sticking

  • PaoliBulldog

    Didn’t take CK long to scrub away the foul cultural residue left by Reid & Washburn.

  • Relativity

    I wanted Jesse Williams