Eagles Wake-Up Call: What We’re Watching At Mini-Camp

The Eagles take the field today for the start of a three-day mandatory mini-camp at the NovaCare Complex. We’ll have it all covered with practice observations, interviews with players and more.

The session begins today at 12:40, but in the meantime, here are three things we’ll be watching.

1. What does the O-Line look like?

It’s been a rotating cast of characters during the last two months. Most notably, Jason Peters is expected back after missing time with a personal issue. We may hear more details from Peters, and we’ll also see where his return leaves Lane Johnson. The rookie stepped in at right tackle last week, and Dennis Kelly replaced Peters at left tackle.

But will Johnson stick with the first team now that Peters is back? And how is he picking up the offense overall?

At guard, Evan Mathis is out until training camp as he recovers from an ankle injury. The coaching staff has had positive things to say about Danny Watkins, but last week, Allen Barbre saw some time with the ones ahead of Watkins.

As we mentioned yesterday, there are depth spots up for grabs on the Eagles’ offensive line. Jobs will be won or lost in the summer when the pads come on, but we’ll continue to monitor where guys line up over the next three days.

2. Where’s Cary Williams?

The free agent cornerback has missed several sessions this spring for a variety of reasons. Last Friday, he was attending a recital for his daughter.

When Williams was on the field, he was relegated to the second team, despite having signed a three-year, $17 million deal this offseason. Curtis Marsh and Bradley Fletcher have been the first-team cornerbacks all spring.

Chances are, Williams will continue to run with the second team this week, but will eventually land in the starting lineup in the summer. But he’ll likely get questions today about his absences this offseason.

3. What adjustments has Kelly made?

Michael Vick said recently that Chip Kelly had to slow things down a little bit with the players. The head coach came into the league with plenty of ideas – from smoothies to sleep monitors to the up-tempo practices. But this is his first time coaching NFL players in a professional environment.

What’s working? And what’s not? Are players buying in? These are the last practices until training camp. When players return to the facility, they’ll be about six weeks away from the opener. We’ll try to gauge what the feeling is right now around the building.

Note: The team announced that all players are present for mini-camp except for Isaac Sopoaga (death in the family) and Zach Ertz and Jordan Poyer (graduation rules).

WHAT YOU MISSED

The latest depth chart outlook post looks at the Eagles’ offensive line.

Running back Chris Polk has lost 15 pounds and has one goal for 2013: to play.

“I never carried the football correctly,” says Vick.

WHAT THEY’RE SAYING

Tommy Lawlor of IgglesBlitz.com takes a look at the Eagles’ safety situation:

The expectations are more realistic for the DBs in the new system. That should help in a big way. Confidence plays a huge part in whether a DB is a good player. Nate Allen has NFL talent, but his confidence has eroded in a major way since his rookie year of 2010. Kurt Coleman doesn’t have the same confidence issues. He’s simply got physical limitations. The new system should allow both players to function better.

Defensive backs coach John Lovett says it will benefit the defense to go up against the Eagles’ offense in practice. From Chris McPherson of PhiladelphiaEagles.com:

“It’s the best because if they can sort it all out and get started and finish the play like they’re supposed to, when somebody starts huddling up it’s going to be easier,” Lovett said. “I think the stress that is put on them by this system is really good.”

COMING UP

We’ll have practice covered, along with some other goodies.

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  • Brent E. Sulecki

    Go get em Sheil. cant wait to hear what happened today at practice. the Cary Williams saga should be a good one. Welcome to Philly

    • S.Paxson

      Please:
      No creating Cary drama
      No play list
      No smoothie-gate
      No depth chart during a learning period

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        I cant make any promises

      • ohitsdom

        Why shouldn’t reporters ask Cary questions? They’re not creating drama. If anything, answers will end speculation and reduce drama. Agree on less focus on the music, but I greatly enjoy the depth chart monitoring. It’s still way early, but it’s interesting to watch it develop.

        • Wilbert M.
          • JofreyRice

            Yep. I hope he can back it up on the field, but he’s been kind of a pedestrian player, at best, so far. Not a good start. I kind of hope Marsh takes his job.

            NFL Network just replayed the Ravens-Broncos contest and he was getting picked on constantly. Demariyus Thomas & Eric Decker were just making catch after catch, moving the chains. I’ll give him credit for limiting the damage by tackling them, but Peyton was able to move all day on Williams. He got beat deep by Thomas once, but their legs got tangled up and the refs didn’t call what was a somewhat obvious trip by Williams, as he tried to prevent a gimme touchdown.

          • S.Paxson

            say what you want about Cary Williams deficiencies, but it has been proven that if you put quality players around him, you can beat a lot of elite QBs and go on to win a SB with Cary as an outside CB. Since we got him at a pretty fair price, and we no longer have to watch soft corners, scared of tackling RB’s, I prefer leaving him alone and focusing and getting the other 10 members of a Super Bowl winning defense in place.
            CBs will all get beat. How many Revis Islands really exist? I will take seeing our CBs get beat because they are playing too aggressive any day compared to watching corners get beat because they were soft, aloof, quitters.

          • theycallmerob

            Quality players??? He had two future hall of famers helping “limit the damage”. Cary will (sadly) be exposed here. Hated him as a Raven, hate him more as an Eagle

          • JofreyRice

            Well, at least we’ve got our excellent duo of Nate Allen & Kurt Coleman to bail him out back there ::crashes car into embankment::.

          • S.Paxson

            As if Ed Reed wasn’t a shell of the hall of fame version of his self and Ray Lewis was still this dominant force. The defense didn’t win with Lewis and Reed. They won that Super Bowl on the backs of Kruger, Ellerbe, Suggs. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to hope that Kruger or Ellerbe caliber players emerge on our defense. I did not see any players last offseason playing at a hall of fame level for the Ravens defense in the postseason

          • Dutch

            He was a 7th round draft pick who settled in with a defense lead by obvious HOFers playing in front and beside him to sort through the trash. Williams has never been and will not be a premiere defender of No.1 and No.2 receivers, being exposed is not new for Williams, it helps he has a short memory… he laid back for 4 years in zone coverage. By no way has he ever been considered as a shutdown corner.

            The Eagles contract pays him for being a middle of the pack NFL Cornerback not a super star Corner with multiple pro bowl invitations.

          • JofreyRice

            I was OK with the Williams signing. I think he’s a slightly below average cover corner that can have bad days & good days; his best asset is the tackling. I actually thought he did a pretty solid job against the Patriots. He’s better than Nnamdi or DRC, in terms of consistent play, even if he doesn’t have a ceiling as high as DRC’s, or a resume as impressive as now disgraced CB Nnamdi Asomugha.

            How Williams fits into a locker room that was highly dysfunctional is relevant information, though.

          • S.Paxson

            I think you made a fair assesment of his abilities. I was encouraged to read Jason Avant’s comments on Cary:
            “You wish they would come, but you don’t know their reason of their circumstance. if you sit down and talk to Cary, he’s definitely committed. Guys in the locker room know the guys that are committed to their craft, and Cary is definitely one of those guys”.
            show up to camp in shape, sharp with your assignments and playbook comprehension, and I won’t care what you did to get there

          • cliff henny

            3 yrs 18m sounds like alot, really it’s 2rs 10m…it’s #2 cb money and that’s what he is. problem is, we’re looking at him as our #1. we needed someone, smith out of miami didnt look any better to me, certainly nnamdi or dcr werent choices after seeing how they gave no effort. who else is there? he rec’d in-season promotions due to injuries and played better as year went on. thought he did well in playoffs. seems like a player on the rise instead of one who’s leveled off. guy isnt 2010 revis, but isnt getting that kind of money.

          • Dutch

            Excellent point. Williams is not paid like a top tier corner in the NFL, he’s paid by the Eagles as what he really is and that is a middle of the pack Corner. It’s not advisable to expect from Williams lights out shutdowns of the League’s top tier receivers. Williams will come up in support of the run but he’s going to catch his fair share of hurt defending No.1 Receivers in his zone. That goes with the Eagles building a run defense, defense after years of being gouged on the ground.

            Funny they kept the safeties who gave up 33 touchdown passes. It’s going to be a long season watching that defense, again.

          • Anebriated

            Dont know how much stock you can put into the numbers from last years secondary. One of the prevalent themes during interviews this offseason is that the DBs were asked to play run first way too often. Hard to prevent the deep ball when the offense knows theyll bite at the threat of a run.

      • JofreyRice

        What are acceptable topics to write about?

        • S.Paxson

          I don’t know about you,
          but even in an OTA, I can think of countless things I wish I was privy to see for myself.
          for starters, when you have 15 important players a year or two removed from Achilles, ACl, MCL surgeries, I can’t think of anything more important then reading about how each one of those players are moving around at every single chance a reporter gets.
          safeties and Demeco will have a ton of responsibility per-snap. How are their brains keeping up with the Tempo of the offense? how often are they changing the calls pre snap because they see something? When they do change something, are their teammates quick enough to process and react to it to keep up with the pace of the offense?
          How about telling us how Graham and Cole look in coverage any chance you get?
          how about for the first time this entire offseason, someone give us a hint about the kickoff return/coverage unit personel? is Earl Wolff already running with the ones on ST?
          how fluid mentally do our Lineman look handling different responsibilities between switching from a 3-4 man front?
          I would love to see a chart, of how where Curry, Cox, Logan, Sopo lined up, how many snaps did they see at each position. how often where they moved around.
          how about charting Qb accuracy for the day?
          As a fan with so many questions, there is so much I wish I were privy to see even in a June practice with shorts and a helmet

          • CJ

            Yes, screw Cary Williams, I want to know if our Day 3 pick is the starting gunner on punt coverage!!!!

          • S.Paxson

            have you heard a peep about any of our special teams units? Anything more then how our kickers looked? I’m not asking for daily detailed ST reports, but we have 48 reporters focused on which players aren’t there and the playlist, and I would like to know what personel looks like on coverage and return teams. How many different safeties can actually contribute to ST on game day? Addition of Wolff, could bump Kurt Coleman down a peg on ST. If Colt and Wolff are both on the roster, and both ahead of Coleman on the ST depth chart, it could spell roster trouble for a less gifted backup like Coleman. Sorry, if it interests me

          • CJ

            Yes, we know who’s been back there on returns and we’ve had updates on the punting “battle”.

            We have one on the roster and he’s had a nice career so far, is young and cheap. He’ll be fine.

            Can? Better be all of them or they shouldn’t be making the team to begin with.

          • cliff henny

            JFC…is it really 15 players coming off acl/mcl/achilles?!!?!? think Kelly owns stock in rehad facility

  • S.Paxson

    It’s sad that the Media is waking up today with the sole purpose of starting trouble with Cary Williams. hasn’t it been beaten to death already? Every organization has players that will milk an injury that they could easily play through and skip practice to sit in the air conditioned training room, but those players get marked present and we don’t even consider questioning it. The media is supposed to work for the fans. Well as a fan of this team, I’m very tired of seeing the media fabricating drama, or atleast adding fuel to a fire for headlines. we are eagles junkies, you don’t need to create drama to drum up intest in the fanbase. The media has our undivided attention regardless, when it comes to the birds. media members today that waste what few questions they have pounding Cary Williams about absence during “voluntary” OTAs are certainly doing a disservice to this eagles faithful. I would love to see 53 players that never miss a single activity and work their butts off 100% of the time. But until the CBA is changed that will never become a reality. Hasn’t Demeco taught this fanbase not pass judgment during the offseason? fans had the pitchforks and torches out during the preseason thinking the Texans sold us a Dud, when it was actually obvious that he was holding back, going through the motions. The moment we kicked off in Cleveland, he flipped the switch and went on to have a heckuva year. offseason is to get you to play well during the season. Players won’t all go about the process the same way. I prefer not creating Drama at these players work place in June to give this team the best work environment indusive to success. If Cary stinks it up game one of the regular season, I will dust my pitchfork off with the rest of you.
    Sheil, you are better then to add to the Rebel Rousing. Don’t add to the drama today. Use your access today in a responsible wat(which you normally do).

    • Richard Colton

      Yea. God forbid Sheil do his job and ask Cary why he wasn’t doing his.

      Here’s a non rabble-rousing question: “Cary, do you think missing OTAs for a variety of reasons will hurt your position on the depth chart?” Or, if you prefer a more probing one: “Cary, did any team leaders or coaches say something to you about your absence?” I like that one because it gives us a clue as to who the leaders on defense might be and/or how tight the ship is.

      If you want to stir the pot (not Sheil’s style, maybe one for Les Bowen or Domo) try: “Cary, why is it that your family is more important than the families of the 130 coaches and players who bothered to show up to OTAs, and what does your absence say about your commitment to them?”

      If it was me, I’d just ask: “Cary, did you fire your dentist who apparently only works during OTAs? Ohh, follow up: how did the house building go? And lastly, I heard your daughter missed several notes…care to comment?”

      • S.Paxson

        What’s the difference between Cary going to the dentist and Shady/Desean “tweaking” something on a 90 degree day to go sit in the trainers office? until the CBA is changed, this is always going to happen with a few veterans of every teams roster. OTA’s are so you can learn what you are doing, and compete in camp, which in turn gets you ready for the preseason, which then gets you to the season. the only thing that matters is that our guys play good in September. how these players approach getting to September is not my concern. it’s different for everyone. if Nick Foles, Vick, OLBs, lineman who aren’t used to 3-4 responsibilities miss work outs, it’s bad. but what in the world is the big deal about Cary who has been in the nfl for 7 years, missing a month of back peddling? there is only so much a CB can be asked to do. What do you think Billy Davis will ask of him that he hasn’t already been doing in Baltimore for the past 6 seasons? It’s not out of this world to think that a veteran CB can get in shape and learn the playbook having missed Offseason Training Activities? It surely isn’t ideal, and I would prefer every player to be on the field at all times. But there isn’t any reason to blow this out of proportion and stir the hornets nest in June.
        Did you happen to miss Avant’s comments on Cary Williams?

        • Richard Colton

          Why are those two the only choices? Shamming an injury or blowing off team meetings? How about option three – respecting yourself, your teammates, and your profession enough to do what’s right and show up?

          Nothing else you said was even remotely close to a logical, coherent thought. You don’t have to convince me that OTAs are important/not important. I’m not there. It should be enough for Cary Williams that all of his teammates (minus those with emergency/family issues) and all of his coaches decided to attend.

          Until he proves otherwise, here’s my take on CW – he got his paycheck, got his ring, football is barely registering as a priority now.

          • cliff henny

            his one point is very valid, Williams is a CB. if he were OT or graham switching from DE to OLB, be a huge deal. CB is CB, eagles arent running anything he hasnt run his whole career. learn the coverage calls, then run that coverage. think he should have shown a little more than he did, but at least he plays a position where he’s not that far behind. now, if he shows up out of shape and doesnt know the calls, that’s bs

          • S.Paxson

            People want to act like I’m happy Cary Williams isn’t at practice. I just don’t see the value in the city making a stink about it in June and rush to judge a player we hardly know. Are fans under the impression that bringing negativity to these playes work place helps the team they supposedly “root” for? Do fans think it was cool for Kelce to come into this city as a rookie and have to fight off boneheaded fans while he is walking into work trying to support his coach who took a shot on him late in the draft?

            im not happy that Cary missed any day of practice, but I think making a big stink about it and adding negativity to this team while guys are trying to Gel and learn schemes, is much much worse then Cary missing a month of back peddling..
            Look around the league, plenty of high Charecter guys are missing workouts. Some for much worse reasons then marriage, or your child’s end of the year recital

          • cliff henny

            i get your point. with you, it bothers me, but not to point i’m holding a grudge. think it’s more of a bad PR move for guy. coming into a new city, one on def rebuild and fans know it. seems like everyone but him is putting in max effort at ground zero and we cant even get a guy who just got 10m guaranteed to show the F up! like how i went from defending to getting P’d in the same sentence…williams better get used to that

          • S.Paxson

            It’s a horrible PR move. I’m absolutely with you. I just think that us adding negativity to a team trying to learn is worse then Cary individually missing a month of practice. Why the bleep should Jason Avant have o be bothered having to defend Cary Williams? part of it is on Cary, but the media can chose to report on this team without trying to negatively impact our environment. News is News. I’m not suggesting anything is swept out of the rug. 50 reporters have been reporting on the Cary Williams attendance report every day for the past week. I have no problem with you reporting it. Report it once and move the bleep on. I’m not singling out Tim and Sheil because they are very responsible compared to this cities standards. But can someone dispute that there are reporters today, going down to the novacare complex with the intention of agitating Cary? you reported on the negative situation once, two times, three times. Time to move the bleep along. If Cary Williams will be at all 3 days of mandatory camp, then this should never even be mentioned again. he already spoke on it. What more do you want him to say? use your access to report on something worth a damn. you know how insane this fanbase is, no reason to pour gasoline on it

          • nicksaenz1

            Just a heads up, you may wanna edit out all the f bombs. likely your post will be deleted.

          • S.Paxson

            Thanks for the heads up. Didn’t think it mattered as long as I wasn’t cursing at anyone. note taken

          • Dutch

            And Chip Kelly calling William while he was attending a Funeral to chance his plans isn’t a bad PR Move for the Eagles and Chip Kelly?

          • cliff henny

            williams i am sure had his phone off. you want to get paid 5m a yr, might have to put up with some overbearing bosses. sure CW was annoyed, personally, couldnt care less.

          • Richard Colton

            Worse for the team than say, QB? Of course not. Worse for team chemistry? You’ll need to convince me.

            I was hoping you would weigh-in on this one Cliff – as a business owner. The idea that someone in a profession can have professional obligations beyond what he or she is explicitly compensated for. Or that an employee who makes a salary is different from an employee who punches a clock. I feel like I’m talking to a bunch of high school students here.

          • cliff henny

            i’m in sales, so i have all 100% alpha egos running around me all day. and every single one of them has different rules…guess what, you dont like how bob gets to come and go, let’s sit down and look at the numbers, numbers never f’n lie! williams is a 6 yr vet, sure all this was negotiated up front (now, if it wasnt and he changed on the fly, bit of an issue there), he got his money and his rules based on what he did for Balt. all the players on the eagles team knows eachother’s contract, they know he’s 10m guarenteed for 2 yrs. he better show he’s worth that money when he hit camp, or the rules that i endorsed above are subject to change without notice.

            also, do think he milked the system a little. he doesnt sound like a team leader. as i said below, think it’s more of a bad PR move.

          • S.Paxson

            Well said.

          • Dutch

            No, Williams is a 4 year vet and this is his first contract outside his rookie contract. He was drafted in the 7th round in 2008. He’s apparently put forth the work and sacrifice to be rewarded with a $17 Million contract from being drafted in the 7th round and a Super Bowl ring. Had this been negotiated beforehand, the Eagles would have included compensation to entice his participation in voluntary team activities.

            Williams isn’t paid like a team leader or a pro bowl corner, he’s paid by the Eagles as a middle ground corner and nothing more.

          • Dutch

            The Cash Register worker at McDonald’s is a professional. Their obligations to greet guess and customers in a professional manner are as vital to the organization as the strategic plan implemented by the CEO.

            Professionalism has nothing to do with the amount of compensation you receive for doing the job you are paid to perform.

            There is no difference in the United States Labor laws that protect employees from abuse. Whether you’re paid by salary or hourly wages….. no employee can be made to work outside of the prescribed hours of work without being additionally compensated for their time.

          • Richard Colton

            No, the McDonalds employee isn’t. The CEO is. So is the manager. If I’m managing a McDonalds – when I tell my employees to “act professionally” I’m reminding them to do the things that they are obliged to do that aren’t on their paystubs – like smile at customers and call people “sir” and “ma’am.”
            No one is talking about money here, just obligations to team and teammates. No one is making a legal argument either – just you, because you’re losing.

          • Dutch

            If the Eagles felt his attendance was necessary they would have reflected that in his Contract with sufficient compensation in the form of a bonus.

            This is Williams’ Job. How willing are you to show up at the beckon of your employer at their activities without being compensated for your time?

            Aside from that being illegal in America that also shows a lack of employer respect for the employee.

          • JofreyRice

            I just kind of look at it like, who do you want to be? Someone mentioned how OTA’s were like a summer reading list, optional, but unnecessary. What kinds of students do summer reading? C students? B Students? Nah. I don’t think so. Do things like commitment, curiosity & work ethic affect their final grade? In my experience, yes, they do. In just about any walk of life, it’s very hard to excel without putting in the work. It’s weird how people can observe the fact that Michael Vick might have been one of the greatest QBs of all time, had he put in the work of developing his craft, yet rush to Williams’ defense here. It strikes me as a contradiction.

            We’ll see how it plays out on the field, but to have a guy that *just* signed here bowing out of an activity because it’s “just an OTA” seems indicative of someone who is not committed to excellence. Just my preachy ass 2 cents.

          • Richard Colton

            Maybe I’m just showing my age and it’s a generational thing Jofrey. I just don’t get how anyone can defend the guy. I’m willing to forgive and forget. But damn, Cary Williams just came out and said that his: kid’s recital, house build, and dentist appointment were all more important than team goals and team mates.

            Think Vick wouldn’t rather be eating pancakes with his kids? Of course he would. CW may be great – other than the Superbowl I haven’t seen too many Ravens games. But he starts his Eagles career with no grace from me.

          • S.Paxson

            In about two Months, this man is going to be expected by everyone including myself to eat, sleep, sacrifice everything for the Philadelphia Eagle for possibly the next 7 months. Yes, I want every player, at every practice. But you know what I want more? Players doing whatever they need to, which differed with each person, take care of whatever they need to take care of, so that when Camp hits, they are refreshed, sharp mentally, to get ready for the 7 month grind. if Cary, had to dedicate some time to shut his wife up, and be there to support his daughter so he could have a happy home, and get ready to buckle down in camp, so be it. Some part of it is certainly about wanting to miss some practice, that I won’t dispute. if Cary played til Febuary, and he had been in camp since August. And you want him committed, ready to never miss a practice, in when? April? When was the man even supposed to get married? Even for a millionaire pro athlete, I think it’s ok if they give ATleast a couple months a year being the for their children. I would much rather a CB miss OTAs, so he could get his life in a new city in order, then for him to have gone to OTAs, and just now be starting to get married, fix his house, teeth, make time for his daughter..Because its more important for him to go into camp sharp, then it is for him to be at every single OTA

          • Richard Colton

            Terrell Owens? Is that you?

            I’d give anything to hear him stand up in a team meeting and express those thoughts. If he had that kind of chutzpah – I’d even cheer for him.

          • Richard Colton

            ****** OK – turns out he did just that, in front of cameras. Mind. Blown.

          • cliff henny

            it’s just different rules for different guys. at this point in williams career, he can afford to take OTAs off and Vick cant. now, as the boss, Kelly, i’m sure the fact that Williams decided to take the time off wasnt lost on him and when decisions are made, maybe williams missing time will reflect in that. bet a drop INT he does a coulpe extra sprints a guy like Marsh doesnt have too. give you personal example…i control the distribution of leads…guess who get my personal referrals-the cherriest of cherries, the guy who’s standing at the door monday morning waiting for me to open it.

          • Richard Colton

            These are the leads, the Glengarry leads, and to you they’re gold – but you can’t get them. Not yet.

          • cliff henny

            just a tremendous movie! first prize, a car, 2nd steak knives…rest of you are fired!

          • S.Paxson

            I’m not speaking logically or coherently? he shouldnt disrespect his team mates? the same peers/teammates who insisted on Volentary, and I repeat Volentary and actually made a big deal about it in the CBA negotiations? Coherent enough for your disrespectful for no reason self? it certainly wasn’t owners and coaches who fought to make these Volentary.
            No disrespect, but your take on Cary sounds like trash. I prefer to give a veteran the benefit of the doubt that he can miss OTAs and still be in proper shape and grasp the playbook. until players decide to give up the Volentary, and change it to madatory, With all do respect, your argument is weak sauce…no reason why we couldnt debate the topic as fans without you being a disrespectful shit about it.
            people want to laugh off that he went to his kids recital. it’s the end of the school year, it’s the end of the year recital. How many of these do players get to actually go to per year?
            it’s a shame that I had to stick up for Cary because in reality, I prefer every single player on the field, working hard, every moment that they can. But this is the real world, and I’m not interested in idealist views. look around the league. ou want a real OTA mess? Go look at the Giants. plays will always take advantage of Volentary, I don’t think that automatically means we would rush to judge them as bad guys, or players who won’t perform. if I lived in Greenbay, where fans and Media wouldn’t look for every little thing to crucify our athletes, I wouldn’t even have to take this extreme view point on the matter.

          • Richard Colton

            yep. I’ll be the first to admit to not knowing the definition of “volentary.” If I had to guess, i’d say it’s a guy who doesn’t care about his team. that about right?

      • aub32

        I’m sorry but I didn’t realize that showiing up to OTAs was part of Williams job. That’s probably because it’s not. Fans need to understand the definition of Optional.

        • Richard Colton

          Guess the other guys were suckers for showing up.

          • S.Paxson

            Look around the league. If you have a problem with it, the only sucker is the owners for giving the players what they wanted, VOLENTARY workouts

          • Richard Colton

            “volentary” huh? OK, never mind. Why waste my time trying to explain professionalism to someone who doesn’t get it.

          • S.Paxson

            professionalism? Sorry but no matter how snobby and confrontational you want to act, you won’t be capable of disputing that professional players fought for the word Volentary, so it’s clearly acceptable behavior to them, by THEIR professional standards. don’t see how a “logical” and “coherent” man can agree against that point. Are you Canadian or something? Did you miss the guilty til proven innocent? I prefer to root for Eagles until they show me that they suck or are cancers in the locker room.
            For the 15th hundred time, I would be much happier if he never missed a day in his life, but I’m not about to watch you burn him at the stake for something his professional peers fought so hard for. that word, that for the convenient sake of your silly idealist argument, is very significant and telling of what is acceptable and what isn’t.

          • Richard Colton

            we actually like Canadians around here.

            You just don’t understand it, and I’ll accept your answer. No one is threatening legal action. Team can’t fine him for not showing up. And while they could cut him, the deplorable state of their backfield argues against that.

            The argument I’m making is that CW has an obligation to his team and a duty to his team mates to show up to OTAs if possible. He didn’t. That doesn’t mean anything to you and that’s ok. Winning teams are generally on the same page. And, from a personal perspective, I prefer to root for guys that “get it.”

          • S.Paxson

            When you show me one team that doesn’t have an important veteran doing what Cary is doing, then you have a point. get back to me when you find that imaginary franchise..Since. Rookies, fringe players, players entrenched in tough starter battles can’t afford to do what Cary Williams is doing, who else did you expect to be the player on our team to do what Cary is doing? or did you think we had that imaginary fairy take roster filled with a bunch of Gung Ho “Rudy” types? Everyteam has one, Cary was in the small pool of players on our roster that could afford to be the guy who does it, and I think we got off Lucky, because a CB is a lessor evil then a bunch of other positions. I would love to have that dream roster where this never happens. I don’t care what coach you get, or how good you think your personel people are, you will always have a player or two that chose to go about their business this way.
            Even the great Belicek, is dealing with a starting LB skipping OTAs. Thankfully we aren’t Giant fans, or I’d hate to hear you cry over are two starting pro bowl WR missing every single OTA

          • Richard Colton

            Alright Paxon, you finally bought up a good point and I’m glad you did.

            Teammates are generally forgiving about making a choice to skip OTAs when it has to do with $$$. Duce did it. B-west. When Cruz and Nicks return their team will forgive them. A guy stands up in a meeting and says “I’m sorry for missing OTAs but this will probably be the last chance in my life to provide for my family’s financial security.” – team gives him a pass. “I’m sorry for missing the OTAs but I wanted to check if the builder was using lead free paint on my deck.” – not OK.

          • cliff henny

            RC, i generally agree with you, but on this, i dont. think you are viewing it from only a fans perspective . really dont think the players care he’s not there. OTAs are dress rehearsals. now, if this guy comes in out of shape, not knowing playbook probably wont go over well. they also know OTAs are almost useless for CBs. especially for one who’s guarenteed a roster spot.

          • Richard Colton

            I hear you Cliff, and it’s a good point. There are, what, 8 CBs in camp? If it doesn’t matter for him, it doesn’t matter for them. And yet they all decided to go. Alex Henery was there – he needs to learn less than the DBs. Same with the punters. I’m less concerned about how this affects CW than how it impacts the team.

          • cliff henny

            they arent him. they are fighting for nfl lives, he isnt. team knows that. not saying you are wrong to be annoyed, i am…guy just got 10m and we’ve barely seen him(that’s fan perspective), but transfering our fustrations over to the players, where i disagree. now, a guy like Ryans, who’s building himself up as a team leader, yeah, he needs to be there and he and team knows that(and bet he’ll be rewarded in next contract). different rules for everyone, just the way it works.

          • Dutch

            The chance the Eagles take at cutting a guy for not participating in Team Activities that are

            voluntary isn’t worth the cost of having a mediator find against their actions.

            These are activities laid out in a legally enforceable agreement negotiated between two governing bodies. Each of the clauses are covered by the Standard Labor Act.

            Sure the Eagles could cut him.

            But it would look like retribution for skipping voluntary activities to a mediator or jury. Under that scenario the $17 Million is due as a consequence.

          • theycallmerob

            hey now…let’s leave the canadians out of your personal attacks…you’ll upset a few northerners on this board. After all, it’s not their fault they weren’t born here.

          • Dutch

            Professionalism has zero to do with voluntary work for your employer and not being compensated for your time.

            That is just basically being a Chump and kissing up to keep a job.4

            Suckerism 101

          • nicksaenz1

            “The workin man’s a sucker!”

          • Dutch

            Anyone that shows up to work for free is a sucker. There is little doubt some of the guys attending are at best marginal players who will find themselves in Sept selling used cars and insurance instead of playing Football.

            Williams isn’t obligated for the expense of attending a voluntary minicamp. If the Eagles though his being there was necessary they could have included a clause in his contract to pay him to be there.

          • Richard Colton

            are you calling Vick a sucker? He’s not going to like hearing that – you know his brain is one of his secret weapons.

          • nicksaenz1

            Are guys that come in to work for optional activities at half the pay rate suckers? Couldn’t help myself.

          • Dutch

            What part of “Anybody” is confusing you? There are labor laws that protect employees from being forced by their employers to participate in excess work related activities without being compensation.

            All employee Contracts specify periods of work for which the subject is entitled to compensation.

          • cliff henny

            not 1099 employees

          • Dutch

            If you get a 1099 you’re not an employee being compensated. You’re a independent contractor.

            Anyone that falls for that ruse is not intelligent enough to qualify for a job.

            I read you’re a mortgage broker, who used to be a Real Estate Agent. Why don’t you thoroughly understand the difference? In either case you work on commission and not an employee who can be made to subscribe to conditions relevant to being an employee. Most often you’re considered an affiliate.

          • cliff henny

            many different ways to be 1099. can tell you, i’ve been 1099 for 20 yrs, and every stop i’ve consider myself an employee cause i was dependent on the that company for income. RE agent is always a bad example for anything sales related, because they are really mini companies inside companies. these players are 100% dependent on the nfl for income, they cant have a spat and move shop and make equal money somewhere else. who cares if you are century 21 or whatever…it’s all the same.

            am commercial investment, private equity and loan broker, never RE agent

        • CJ

          It’s not part of his job per se, but those are the type of things that can help you keep the job you have.

          • Dutch

            Then that should have been outlined in the interview process to give Williams a chance to attach his services to someone else that doesn’t expect labor participation outside of the periods listed in the CBA and his contract.

          • Richard Colton

            the question you keep ducking (and feel free to continue): Why did everyone else choose to go?

    • Dutch

      Funny none of the media covering the Eagles once asked Williams how he felt about Kelly deploying one of his assistant coaches to call Williams while attending a Funeral. What kind of message did that sent. I would not begrudge the Coach who was assigned that duty.

      That’s down right disgusting to call an Employee who was attending a Funeral to request he make other arrangements to pay his final respects to the departed.

      That’s as cartoonish as managing comes.

  • Brent E. Sulecki

    uh oh. Isaac spooky and ertz and poyer not at practice

    • George

      Can’t you read? Isaac had a death in his family. Ertz and Poyer can’t practice because their schools have not had their graduations yet. Think before you type!

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        shut the hell up

        • Anebriated

          Thank you for giving Eagles fans such a good name.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            god bless you kind sir

        • theycallmerob

          Really? C’mon, grow up

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            been growd up…how about you stop replying to me and go about your business BOB

      • Warhound

        I think he was kidding.

        • theycallmerob

          some people are not cut out for comedy

    • Richard Colton

      Ertz and Poyer aren’t allowed to attend because of graduation dates. CBA violation – Eagles would be looking at fines/lost draft picks if they showed up. I’m completely OK with Peters and Sop.

      • Brent E. Sulecki

        I saw. I had just missed seeing it. I understand these absences. but still feel Cary as a newcomer and supposed starter has some questions he needs to answer. then based on his attitude towards the media we should be able to tell what kind of guy he is. it might be all blown out of proportion like is the case most the time. but im interested to hear his responses. hes in the spotlight now. in BAL. no one cared what he was doing.

        • theycallmerob

          Trust me, Baltimore cares very very much.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            but no one cares about Baltimore

          • theycallmerob

            Nor your comments.

          • Brent E. Sulecki

            great. now disappear

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      • Warhound

        I can’t be the only one who hates that “grad date” rule. So stupid – the NFL should tell the NCAA to go pound sand.

        • Richard Colton

          I hear you. But I go back and forth on this one. The image thing is big for the NFL. They want to be able to keep these guys out of the league until they’ve played a few years of college ball. That’s ultimately better for the game (NFL season would wreck 19 year old bodies). If the grad requirement wasn’t there – what happens when the next Maurice Clarett lawsuit happens? Would the NFL be able to shut the door on Freshman or Sophomores?

          • Warhound

            I think an age reqrmnt is fine – the grad date thing screws guys coming from schools with trimesters.

  • Stuart Philp

    Williams is missing the Ravens’ White House visit for mini camp. What an idiot!

    • Brent E. Sulecki

      yeah this guy has his priorities all jacked up

    • http://twitter.com/pjcostello Paul Costello

      Minicamp is mandatory, whereas the OTAs were not (NFL rules). I haven’t read anywhere that Williams would be allowed to skip minicamp for the White House visit. Anquan Boldin is also in a mandatory minicamp with the 49ers, and thus skipping the visit, too.

      • Warhound

        Hey – facts, wow, thanks!

  • aub32

    Williams’ response to OTA quesions:
    ” we in here talking about OTAS. I mean, listen, we’re talking about OTAs, not a game, not a game, not a game, we talking about OTAs. Not a game. Not, not … Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it’s my last. Not the game, but we’re talking about OTAs, man. I mean, how silly is that? …

    And we talking about OTAs. I know I supposed to be there. I know I’m supposed to lead by example… I know that… And i’m not.. I’m not shoving it aside, you know, like it don’t mean anything. I know it’s important, I do. I honestly do…

    But we’re talking about OTAs man. What are we talking about? OTAs? We’re talking about OTAs, man. We’re talking about OTAs. We’re talking about OTAs. We aint talking about the game. We’re talking about OTAs, man.”

    • Richard Colton

      very funny, but a little inconsistent with your defense of the guy.