What They’re Saying: Peter King, Draft Grades And More

We rounded up some reaction to the Eagles’ draft yesterday, but there’s plenty more trickling in today.

So here’s a look what analysts around the country are saying about the Birds.

SI.com’s Peter King weighs in with his thoughts:

Two Philly thoughts: I have no idea what Chip Kelly’s going to do on offense, and I think he likes it that way. If two of his three quarterbacks (Nick Foles and Matt Barkley) are pocket guys, is he really going to make his quarterback pocket a movable feast? I think Tony Dungy’s right (his son played for Kelly at Oregon) when he says he expects Kelly’s NFL offense to be like Buffalo’s under Jim Kelly — very fast-paced, but not necessarily with a quarterback who has to run to win … And from the amount of fact-finding Eagles GM Howie Roseman has been doing over the past couple of months on switching to the 3-4 defense, I was surprised Philadelphia, which had five picks in top 200, used only one on a front-seven player, defensive tackle Bennie Logan of LSU, the 67th overall pick.

Evan Silva of Rotoworld.com gives the Eagles a C+:

Ertz can stretch the field vertically and creates downfield separation better than consensus top tight end Tyler Eifert. Logan and Barkley were odd picks because the former’s fit is questionable in Philly’s new three-man front and Barkley lacks athleticism in addition to starting-caliber arm strength. All of Philly’s rookies look like good values — particularly Kruger and Poyer — but this haul included a lot of head scratchers. I still feel confident saying the Eagles’ roster improved with this draft, and quite possibly significantly.

Clark Judge of CBSSports.com thinks the Matt Barkley pick means Michael Vick’s days are numbered:

Only there is a certainty, and it’s this: With the addition of Matt Barkley, the Eagles just found their successor to Michael Vick.

It may be now. It may be later. But it’s going to happen, and it’s going to happen for the right reason: Coach Chip Kelly can’t win with a quarterback who commits the mistakes Vick does. Over the last three years, the guy fumbled 32 times, or more than any quarterback but one.

Chris Burke of SI.com gives the Eagles a B+:

Until we know more about Chip Kelly’s plans, let’s just chalk the Matt Barkley pickup to finding a potential first-round QB at No. 98. The rest of this class figures to be more important in 2013. No one more so than OT Lane Johnson, who has the athleticism to thrive under Kelly. TE Zach Ertz could be a dangerous weapon in this offense, too. Defensively, expect DT Bennie Logan to help and CB Jordan Poyer to possibly prove the steal of the draft.

SI.com’s Don Banks names the Zach Ertz pick as one he loved from Friday:

Philadelphia getting Stanford tight end Zach Ertz with the third pick of the second round, giving the Eagles a young pass catcher who will help whoever wins the team’s starting quarterback job.

Jennifer Floyd Engel of FoxSports.com gives the Eagle a B:

Call me crazy or call me consistent. What I like most is getting the free-falling USC QB Matt Barkley in the fourth round. Chip Kelly knows him, and I still like his chances of being a good pro and life raft if Mike Vick falters.

Alex Marvez of FoxSports.com gives the Birds a D:

I’m cool with the selection of Oklahoma tackle Lane Johnson at No. 4 overall. I’m not nearly as fond of using a second-round pick on Stanford tight end Zach Ertz with Brent Celek and James Casey already on the roster nor with the Eagles spending a fourth-round choice on Barkley with Nick Foles already serving as Michael Vick’s backup.

Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports gives the Eagles a B:

The start of this draft was much stronger than the end of it. Johnson comes in as a starter to immediately help an offensive line that was a mess last season because of injury and inexperience. Ertz is a great weapon in the mold of Jason Witten who will pair with Brent Celek to provide the Eagles with ample opportunity for an explosive two-tight end set. The combo of Ertz, Celek, DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy and Michael Vick could be really fun in Chip Kelly’s offense. Where things went sideways was in the middle of the draft with Logan, who is an underachiever, and Barkley, who was overrated and not altogether necessary. The fact that Philly traded up to get Barkley when it already had second-year passer Nick Foles is perplexing.

Rob Rang of CBSSports.com gives the Eagles an A-:

While Barkley does not possess elite straight-line speed, he does have the intelligence to make decisions quickly as well as excellent accuracy while on the move, making him a potentially very nice fit in this offense. The USC product possesses the best combination of the three traits that I’ve found to be the best indicators of future success in the NFL — accuracy, anticipation and awareness — and I believe he’ll prove his doubters wrong and emerge as the most successful of the 2013 quarterback class. Of the Eagles other day three selections, I really like the schematic fits of Utah defensive end Joe Kruger and Oregon State cornerback Jordan Poyer, two more highly productive Pac-12 performers whom Kelly (and GM Howie Roseman) know well.

The Eagles fall in the “Honorable Mention” category of Bucky Brooks’ evaluations on NFL.com:

Much of the focus on the Eagles’ draft revolves around a surprising selection of Matt Barkley to begin Day 3, but Chip Kelly and Co. deserve credit for picking up elite players at every turn. OT Lane Johnson and TE Zach Ertz were among the best at their respective positions in this draft; both players will make immediate contributions as first-year starters or vital backups. Earl Wolff is a hidden gem with starting potential. He definitely could provide a boost to the Eagles’ back end as a rookie.

Marc Sessler of NFL.com ranks rookie QBs based on their chances of success. He’s got Barkley sixth:

You have to love Barkley’s fire. He’s agitated, he feels overlooked, he’s itching to prove the NFL community wrong. Landing in Philly was a stunner. On paper, Barkley doesn’t mesh with coach Chip Kelly’s fast-paced attack, but the Eagles coach has stressed that scheme alone won’t dominate his thinking. Still, Barkley is lost in a crowded quarterback room, where he’ll be challenged to separate himself.

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  • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

    Logan, who is an underachiever

    Logan was a 3* recruit and ranked #65 in the nation at his position coming out of high school. He worked his way into the roatation on one of the most talented college defenses of all time in 2011 and was given #18, which LSU awards to hard-working, over-achieving players. He rose from relative obscurity as the #20 prospect in his state to a top-75 draft choice. How is that under-achieving? I think Cole pulled that one out of his butt. What expectations ever preceded Logan in order for him to “under-achieve” in Cole’s eyes?

    • Geagle

      That dude was an idiot! First off all, the media is Flat out dumb! Just like they were convinced a slow pocket passer wasnt going to be in Philly, they actually believe this dumb crap about us playing a 3-4….Forget what INTEL the players were so eager to share, and were allowed to share with us after the mini camp..we arent playing a 3-4. It makes zero sense. If these experts would read up on a 3-4 defense, and then read up on a 4-3under defense, there is no way they would think that we are running 3-4 next year. We dont even have close to the right personel to run it…people are just uneducated and think because we got the niners NT that we are going to be 3-4, but in reality Sopo also fits on an under front….In the predraft mini camp, chip ran the 3-4 simply to get some film on what our players can and cant do, while also creating a smoke screen, NO ONE really thought they would draft Logan…and if an “expert” thinks we are playing a 3-4, it makes sense that they would criticize the pick..but if an “expert” is smart enough to realize that we will play a 4-3Under, then they would see what a solid pick grabbing Bennie Logan in 3rd really was….
      The draft has come and gone…there is NO LONGER any way that we have to ask chip what we are going to run…Just look at the personel, and its easy to figure out we CANT play a 3-4, and because the 4-3Under is practically tailor made for most of our most promising young players…Its obvious that we will play more 4-3Under principles in 2013…eventually we could evolve into a more traditional 3-4, but it cant happen in 2013…… I would say there is a slight chance we could play a wade Phillips style 3-4, but even that I have a hard time seeing just because of how effective a 4-3Under would be for guys like Graham,Cox,Kendricks, and because it happens to be the scheme of our Dfensive Coordinator. Chip is not a micromanager…He will pay attention during the week to the defensive gameplan and have imput, but he already said that on game day, he would never screw with the DC’s playcalling…and as a HC, I would think you want your DC in the best position to call his best game possible…Allowing him to coach his scheme is the only way to do that

      • Jack Waggoner

        I think the 4-3 Under is misnamed. It is a variant of the 3-4 1-gap system.

        Look at the way Houston plays a 3-4. It’s basically a 4-3 Under.

        • GEagle

          Houston does run something similar, which is why I mentioned it…but it’s not the same thing…I will get into 4-3U vs. wade Phillips 3-4….. 5 hours after I wrote this post, Tom lAwlor basically writes, forget the 3-4, we are playing 4-3U

          • GEagle

            it’s really not even debatable….Bennie Logan is a 4-3U NT….he isn’t a 3-4 NT or 5tec…….Sopo most likely slides over to 5tec……I have a really hard time believing the Curry is going to stay on the line, instead of backing up Barwin at SAM

          • Jack Waggoner

            Wade Phillips 3-4 base is an Under front. Almost the same thing, as far as I can tell.

  • Damien

    Love the guy giving us a D for not drafting for need. He’s living in the past…

    • jamesbondage

      That’s how he graded all the teams so he tries to be consistent. For example, he gave A+ to the Ravens for addressing their needs at FS and MLB. However, Elam played SS in college while Ed Reed played FS. So even though Elam is going to be taught both FS/SS positions, there are questions whether Elam will be able to become a good FS… of course Marvez doesn’t mention that little tidbit of info and still gave Ravens an A+.

      • BQNinja

        They lost their SS Pollard too, though, so he might stay there.

        • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

          Elam was likened to Pollard for his vicious hits when defending the running lane

  • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

    Uhh.. a D? C’mon. I find it hard to believe this draft class was one step away from a complete failure.

    • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

      I’ve never even heard of Alex Marvez.. who is this guy?

  • http://twitter.com/srichards31 Steve Richards

    I think the only things all of these grades proves is no one really knows anything about this draft class until they actually play. That said, thanks for the round up; now I don’t have to go around looking for them

  • http://www.facebook.com/todd.orange.1 Todd Orange

    I think it is entirely too early to grade adraft unless you are talking about value pics. As far as value picks are concerned and where many of the “experts” projected these players to go I’d say this was a hell of draft. The unatural fits for our scheme isn’t a response that caries any validity what so ever as we don’t know anything about any schemes that the Kelly regime will be running. As for what I have seen some of these late-round picks look like ballers and could have a significant impact on our team sooner rather than later. I like Poyer and Wolff to be starting or become serious contributors beyond specail teams. Allow Kruger a year to gain 15-20lbs and we have ourselves a nice 5 tech DE.

    • nicksaenz1

      Great point about Kruger gaining the weight. Possibility of being a JJ Watts-type.

      • http://www.facebook.com/todd.orange.1 Todd Orange

        That is what I envision for sure.

        • Geagle

          so much crazy potential in that kid..his college coach expected him to be a 2nd, maybe late first round pick next year if he stayed in college

    • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

      I watched a bit of tape on this Poyer kid, from Oregon St. Those promotional tapes can be misleading, but if this kid is the ball hawk he appears to be he could turn into something nice for the Eagles. I think he finished up the year in 2012 with 5 to 7 interceptions. That’s nice production and would validate his tape.

      Wolff, seems to need a little discipline in playing center field, he has a tendency to bite so he’s subject to get abused by double moves and play fakes similar to what Coleman does. However, Wolff has 4.4 Speed, so he has the ability to make up ground, until coaching can teach him not to bite on this level. Eagles, in Wolff may have a jewel that should challenge for the 1st team in a year or two depending on his development, but I expect meaningful ST minutes in his first year.

      This Poyer kid is pretty scrappy, I’d like to see him flogged by D Jax a few times to see where his confidence lies.

      • BrickSquadMonopoly

        haha D Jax would too

  • Corry

    i don’t put a lot of stock into draft grades immediately following the drafts, but the reasoning Alex Marvez is using has me scratching my head. So we shouldn’t draft a good TE because we already have two? I’m assuming Marvez has no idea that we’re going to run more 2 TE sets and we should probably have more than two on the roster. Also disregard the fact that Celek has had the crap beat out of him the past couple years.

    And we shouldn’t draft Matt Barkley because we have a QB and a backup already? Nevermind one is on a one year deal and the other one didn’t exactly set the NFL on fire with his amazing skills. Come on man.

    I get it if he thinks the players chosen aren’t all that great, but I don’t understand the reasoning behind his grade.

  • BQNinja

    I really love that so many people gave the Eagles a low grade based on their PERCEIVED notion of what Kelly’s offense and defense are going to look like. They must have some REALLY good sources to know that before anyone else.

  • Eneagled

    Tom Brady is slow, old and ran a pretty good up tempo offense last year. The Eagles invested less in Matt Barkley than they did in Mike Kafka, so this isn’t really news except that he went a lot later than he did last year. We really shouldn’t hear Barkley’s name again until he gets playing time. Also, Kelly’s love of size leads me to believe we will run a lot of 2 TE sets. You need at least 3 TE’s on the roster if this will be an important component of the offense. Whats wrong with letting Celek, Ertz, Casey and Ingram compete for 3 spots. Maybe we will keep all.

    Not sure why people are paying these commentators for their opinions

    • eneagled

      *a lot later than he would have last year

    • eaglepete

      Harbor, not Ingram but ya, I agree.

    • Warhound

      We’ll see four TEs on the roster.

  • eaglepete

    I think fans forget that it can take a franchise a decade to find a franchise QB. By taking him in the 4th, it is a value pick that can pay off huge. They can still take a QB in next yrs draft. As evidenced by the Skins selling the farm for RG3, you have to find that QB or you will wallow even longer. This is a shot in the dark, but at least its a shot with some sound logic behind it.

    Who are all these writers who always automatically assume its Vick 1, Foles 2? when its been said numerous times its an open competition. Did they see Vick the last 2 yrs?

    • Run Eagles Run

      yeah, I mean, I certainly dont ecxpecty Vick to be starting here next year, but this guy (clarke judge) has Matt Barkley as the sure fire sucessor before he even plays a preseason game? cmon now. Coughmattleinartcough. I like barkley and hope he is the real deal, but lets watch him play first.

  • cliff henny

    Jennifer Floyd Engel…call me crazy…probably are, but found it’s best not to say it.

  • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

    Eagles selected no brainers in the first 2 rounds, but the draft is determined by the selections beyond the 4th round and who you select that actually gets on the field and performs. It looks like with some of the kids chosen in the latter rounds, the Eagles found new money to develop and get ST contributions from until they are unveiled. We shall see in a few months.

    A lot of people seem to live and die by the words of Peter King and his assessments. I’ll never understand why.

  • CTAZPA

    I don’t understand how Barkley at 4 doesn’t win the draft. How many guys from each class are the #1 rated guy from his class for 6 out of the last 8 years? It just didn’t happen to be THIS year.

    So much of the NFL draft is a crap-shoot. We got three potential top-flight starters in the early rounds, then we got a potential elite QB. Yeah, yeah, the QB class is a down group, but crazier things have happened at QB than to have Barkley emerge into greatness. He is, after all, a four year starter with a career 64% completion percentage.

    I know I should dumb down my expectations, but when I read a negative review of this draft, the logic eludes me.

  • Run Eagles Run

    Wow, really clarke judge? Vick might get replaced now or later? Not exactly going out on a limb there big guy.

  • Ender1241

    Any national writer who writes with the assumption that Vick is the clear-cut starter is not worth paying attention to, because they obviously have no feel for the team. I think, especially because Barkley is a pocket passer, that Foles has to be the frontrunner to start. Either way, it’s no less than an open competition. Vick, I would say, is less likely to start than Foles OR Barkley on Day 1.

  • FMWarner

    I think Jason Cole needs to learn what “relative value” means. Barkley overrated? Maybe as a first rounder, but as a fourth rounder? He might be properly rated or underrated as a fourth rounder, but hard to see how he’s overrated. Mike Kafka was a THIRD rounder for crying out loud.

  • UofOBirdFan

    Chip values quick intelligent reads and ball handling over speed in a QB. Have doubts that Vick can handle a quick paced attack under pressure, don’t get me started on Vick turnovers. Barkley, well worth the pick. Change is good.

  • Geagle

    I swear, I literally learn more from local message boards, than I do from National writers…I try to check in with local message boards of other cities, and you can always quickly find a fan that knows what he is talking about in terms, and thats probably the best way to get a pulse on whats going on around the league..for example, I saw on the Chargers board how much fans all talked about going after King Dunlap in Free agency, and I thought it was odd in that he sucks, they are desperate for Lineman, and free agency was a very strong Olinemarket this year…low and behold, free agency started and the chargers signed King right out the gate….Its so hard to get real solid intel from the National guys, that it has come to a point where Im going to try to go out of my way, to not read or hear the oppinions of certain “experts” who’s oppinions are worthless, like Laconfora,Kiper,McShay….
    very few “Experts” watch footage..and I mean real footage. They are more concerned with getting the inside scoop from team sources. Problem is what they percieve as an inside scoop, is nothing more than misinformation…Naturally, they have to report the inside scoop, but then these fake smokescreen based oppinions, catch on like wild fire and spread til it becomes percieved reality…and its soooo far off from the truth. Even a respected guy like Misanelli, who for 2 days straight wasd skeptical of Lane because he was a Late Riser,and only started hearing about him after the combine..Lane might have been a late riser to him, me or you, but Howie and the Eagles have been scouting him for two years(Howie said it today)……….The media has totally lost its mind. It provides very little fact, and far too much oppinion, uneducated lazy oppinion at that…..and its never any worse than it is during draft time…….There are some really good local guys like this site, Tom Lawlor, Jimmy Kap, Cossell, and there are very few good national guys like King and Jay Glazier..but the good guys are drastically outnumbered by irresponsible, lazy, fools passing along uneducated oppinions.
    ………………….
    Next year, I seriously need to figure out away, to nOT hear any oppinions at all, except from Jay Glazier, Peter King, Greg Cossel, and Mike Mayock, how can I block out and not have to see the oppinions of the LaConfora’s of the world? Its sooo hard to find responsible Journalism…which is exactly why Sheil and Tim should be praised. Very Limited speculation, just reporting and passing along the Intel.. Pay attention to the quality of Articles you get out of Tim and Shiel, and then go compare it to a glory whore like Florio, who sensationalizes headlines and irresponsibly just puts out BS to try and increase traffic…I dont know if there are any types of award for this sort of blog journalism, but I truly hope that Sheil and Tim are getting the respect and attention that they Genuinly deserve…The only time you will ever see them speculate is like a mock draft, but what do you expect(a mock draft is speculative in nature, designed simply for you to provide you best guess)…Finding responsible journalism sounds so simple, but its sooo hard to find these days, and the people who have a platform to actually provide an oppinion, dont want to do the work neccessary to provide a meaningful oppinion……
    ……….
    I swear if I was Tec Savy, I would create a computer program that the few months leading up to the draft, would be able to act as a filter of the so called “experts”…for example I could add names, and the program would scan the web, and make sure that even by accident, my brain wouldnt get polluted by oppinions or reports from people I know arent educated..so basically it would scan the internet, and say for example, an article like this providing quotes from like 7 different experts, It would automatically not let me see the quotes from say for example Alex Martinez or any other name I add to the Filter….It would be so awesome. Basically, I would know longer even know that Kiper, LaConfora, McShay even exsisted… lol PUTTING AN END TO INTELLECTUAL POLLUTION lol
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    So now that the draft is over I really want to thank Sheil and Tim for their stellar, and professional Draft coverage(because the irresponsible Journalism is always at an all time high during draft time)…With all the slop thats out there these days, I really hope your great work doesnt go unoticed and you guys are getting the recognition and respect you deserve. Well Done and THANK YOU!

  • dollamakeuholla

    Well Said… Also it makes sense on another story they said that Chip will probably run his offense like the Buffalo Bills back in the early 90′s. I can tell you right now if i was to bet on who would win in a race Barkley or jim kelly i would go barkley

  • BrickSquadMonopoly

    Wow.