QB Stock Watch: Analysts Link Geno, Manuel To Eagles

First, some direct Eagles connections:

Rob Rang of CBSSports.com has the Eagles taking Geno Smith. Same for  Clark Judge and Pat Kirwan of CBSSports.com; Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times; Mel Kiper of  ESPN; Daniel Jeremiah of NFL.com; and the fine people over at OurLads.com.

Chris Steuber and the folks at both Mocking the Draft and Walter Football.com predict EJ Manuel will be the Eagles’ second-round pick.

Jon Gruden says Malvern Prep’s Ryan Nassib could be the sleeper of the draft.

When it comes to the tools, I see a guy with a live arm who can deliver the ball with great timing. He needs work on how and where he uses velocity on his throws, but he can make all of them. I don’t see a great athlete — this isn’t a guy who will run the read-option for you consistently, but he’s shown he can run it, and he has what I call “nuisance speed.” He has enough to bother you if you don’t account for him, and he can scramble for first downs. He’s benched 420 pounds, so the guy has some strength and can stand in there and take a hit.

I can’t stand here and predict a great career for Nassib. But I’m not afraid to call him a sleeper because I know he can make adjustments, I know he’s been able to thrive in situations in which he’s not being handed a big talent advantage and I know he can make calls and execute at pace.

Ron Jaworski‘s QB rankings are as follows:

1) Smith
2) Nassib
3)  Manuel
4) Landry Jones
5) Mike Glennon

Matt Barkley is all the way down at No. 6.

Then there are the physical concerns. When I see Barkley throw, I don’t see enough drive on the ball. I don’t see him snapping off throws. I thought he often pushed the ball rather than get that good wrist snap that generates velocity and a tight spiral. I also didn’t see him driving off his back leg on throws. He threw the fade well and had some nice deep posts, but I didn’t see him making a lot of NFL throws despite an NFL-caliber receiving corps in a pro-style offense under Lane Kiffin.

I think Barkley is capable of having a very long NFL career. But I don’t consider him one of the top QB prospects in this draft class.

As for Manuel, Jaws predicts that “at a minimum, I think we’ll see a team trade up into the back end of Round 1 to select him.”

Manuel is scheduled to attend the draft in New York. (He and Smith will be the lone representatives of this quarterback class.) I checked in with someone close to the Florida St. quarterback to see if they viewed the invite as an indication that he will definitely be a first-round selection. The Manuel camp hopes that’s the case but don’t know for sure, and say EJ wanted to attend regardless.

Josh Norris at NFL.com believes that Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson is the top quarterback in this class.

I don’t expect Wilson to be among the top quarterbacks selected in April’s draft, but he can be successful wherever he lands, thanks to his willingness to stick to the pocket and test vertically. There are some placement issues, but those can be fixed with improved footwork.

Less than two weeks, and still no consensus when it comes to this group of quarterbacks. Pretty telling.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/todd.orange.1 Todd Orange

    The more I think about it the more I have a feeling that EJ won’t make it to the second round. Smith, Manuel, and Nassib are all likely to go in the first. If someone like Ponder gets drafted when he did expect those three off the board before day two begins. Sucks I really like Manuel.

    • Jason N.

      Well hopefully someone snag Geno and Manuel up before the Eagles get them. I rather wait to 2014 for a QB

      • George

        Yeah, than fans would bitch about the Eagles not taking Geno or EJ if they turn out to be studs. Be careful what you wish for.

        • Jason N.

          We would bitch if they turn out to be duds. Remember how we used to bitch about Brandon Graham being a bust?

          Yeah, these things go both way.

          • GGeagle

            I never once uttered a bad word about Brandon Graham..heck, I still dont write off Watkins. I still think Foles will win the starting Job… Not all fans ignore human elements and natural progression of young players….

          • Jason N.

            I’m not saying you specifically. Graham is no longer a bust. But in regard to Watkins, the jury is still out on him, I’ll give him another year.

          • GGeagle

            thats fair…He gets 1 more year!…

          • BrickSquadMonopoly

            As will Vick

          • Geagle

            VICK gets NOTHING, ATleast in my eyese

        • Jason N.

          I wouldn’t mind picking Geno if he miraculously fall into the 2nd, doubt it. But Manuel is the worst, 3rd round talent that somehow got himself borderline 1st round consideration.
          I’m fine with sticking wit Foles, Dixon and Vick for another year.

          • GGeagle

            I honestly, If Geno fell to round 2, and we drafted him….I would be PISSED!!!!
            If you dont believe enough in a QB to draft him at #4, or to mortgage your entire draft to go and get, than you have NO BUSINESS drafting him in the first 2 rounds, especially in a deep draft class. We are talking about a kid, WHO MOST experts dont feel is even a first round talent, but we are supposed to overvalue him, ignore good players at important positions, because he plays the ever so important QB position(which also comes with the highest BUST rate)?…..Create a draft board, stick to your damn board….and there is no shot in hell anyone actually thinks Geno is the 4th best player coming out of college…what a joke!
            Thank god, that in my mind there is no chance we draft him.,..I cant imagine how hard these two weeks would be if I thought there was even a slim chance at us drafting him? let the dumb teams do Dumb shit! Jets will draft tavon Austin 9th, and then they will draft Geno 13th with the pick they get for Revis

          • Jason N.

            With the way the while Revis thing is going, I wouldn’t be surprise if no one trade for Revis. The Jets are being stupid by not accepting the Bucs offers of 1st, 3rd, and 6th for this year.

            I highly doubt that the Eagles will pick Geno, especially if Fisher and Lotulelei is still on board.

            I’m more worry that they’ll pick EJ Manuel. Hopefully 49′s or some other team pick EJ up before the Eagles, or Eagles just skip on him altogether.

    • GGeagle

      Dont understand how people could feel comfortable drafting EJ in round 2, when he never had to read the entire field? He spent his college career, literally, only reading half of the field…Man its going to take ALOT of WOR, and ALOT of TIME before EJ is ready to play QB in the NFL. Trust me, you dont just learn to read the entire field, and go through all your progressions overnight…..WHICH is EXACTLY why I Keep saying that the NINERS will be the team to draft EJ. The team that drafts EJ, will have to treat him like Aaron Rogers, in that he needs to spend years sitting and learning behind a QB, and then MAYBE he will develope into a franchise QB at the pro level…I like EJ so much better than Geno, because he has that Leader IT FACTOR where he commands a room, he wont crumble during adversity(like geno does almost every single time), but we are in NO position to draft a QB that needs to spend 2-3years minimum learning on the bench…..A team like the niners, will draft and develope him!

      • Jason N.

        Though I agree with your assessment that EJ would not be able to be good if you don’t make him sit out for a while. A luxury we don’t have, why would we draft a player in near the end of 1st just to sit him out? Especially when you can get a starting player.

        But I will disagree that EJ Manuel is even worst than Geno Smith when it come to pressure. Just go look up any scouting report on EJ, experts say that EJ Manuel accuracy and overall play crop when he get pressure too much.

        • Geagle

          I want NOTHING to do with either! Geno will be blane Gabbertish, and EJ will take too long to develope. I would be Soooooooo happy if we didnt draft a single QB this year(cant be drafting QBs every single friggin year, and no matter who we draft this year, WE ALL KNOW WE WILL WANT ONE OF THE QBS THAT COME OUT NEXT YEAR! So…attack the strengths of this draft(Front 7, Oline, Secondary)…and stay away from its weaknesses(QB)….If you put a gun to my head and told me I had to pick a QB this year, I would tell you Drysert without hesitation…but even in the 4th round, there are other players at other positions I would so much rather have….I mean we are talking about Kiko Alonso, Brandon and Brennan Williams, Phillip Thomas, Barrett JOnes, David QUessenberry, all kinds of TE’s…..Id rather sit this draft out, especially since whoever we draft wont keep us from wanting one of the juicy QBs that will come out next year!

          • Jason N.

            Yeah I agree, if we draft Geno or EJ. They still going to take at least a year to develop cause neither are even on Russell Wilson level. So by this time next year, we’ll be eyeing another QB anyway. This draft have way too much depth to be taking a damn QB. We already got 5. Let them battle it out in camp.

          • Geagle

            yes sir

      • Phils Goodman

        Aaron Rodgers, RGIII and Colin Kaernick read half of the field too. It’s common practice for a QB in a college offense.

        And of course Nick Foles did the same as well.

      • Gobirds1

        You really like to hear yourself talk don’t you. Why in the world would the Niners use their highest draft pick on a QB when they already have one of the best young QBs in the NFL? Do ever really think through your thoughts before you start your blabbing? You probably jo in front of the mirror too. Are the Birds still going to draft your boy Manti. Whatever happened to your mabrush on him?

  • Wilbert M.

    Taking any QB in this draft other than a late round flyer is a bad decision. If you take a guy early you’re making a commitment that will affect what you do in 2014, which looks to be a great year for QB’s. All of the 2013 top prospects have too many question marks to go at #4. There’s far too much possibility of taking the next Akili, Brady Quinn or Blame Gabbert than hitting the jackpot. Sit this year out, play Vick and/or Foles and go for the franchise QB next year. Also – take Pete Scaffidi with the last 7th round pick- http://youtu.be/cmbR3naMa8s

    • GGeagle

      agreed, exactly why I honestly cant see them taking a QB in the first 2 rounds of this draft class. They might not even draft one this year…but if they do, it will be rounds 3-5(Drysert, maybe Scott, maybe a flier on Landry Jones late)………

  • jmkrav

    we don’t need to draft manuel. He’s a good prospect, but we have a lot of other needs. If a team reaches for non-1st-round-calibur QB’s i am happy. Maybe TankCarradine falls to us in the 2nd, or Fluker.

    • Richard Colton

      DJ Fluker could be our right tackle of the future. I’d love to see him fall, but most mocks have him in the bottom third. Fisher & Fluker at #4 and #35 would be insane value. So would Tank. Just don’t see it happening though.

      • Jason N.

        It’s redudant to draft offensive line at pick 1 and 2. I say Joeckel or Fisher 1st round. Then a defensive player in the 2nd.

        Or vice versa if Lotulelei is picked first.

        • GGeagle

          Kyle Long in round 2 baby! Starting RG and backup RT…cant miss, mean and nasty as all hell

          • Kushan Patel

            I love this guy. I look for your posts everyday. And I don’t know why the trolls keep downvoting you (well that’s why I guess they are trolls..), but I upvote you (even if I disagree) just to counter-balance all your downvotes. Downvotes should be used for comments that break the rules of etiquette, not opinions you disagree with. Keep at it dude and know that a lot of us lurkers appreciate your insight.

          • Richard Colton

            The down votes are all from Dee Miliner

          • Geagle

            Hahaha probably EJ..I been roasting him pretty well. I don’t pay attention to the voting…I actually only noticed it like two weeks ago. I got Banned from BGN, the only down votes I get are from the cliquey trolls who frequent that site….it’s so dumb and silly

          • Warhound

            BGN was good, briefly, up to maybe 18months ago?

          • theycallmerob

            Hahaahahaha or Geno!
            Rock on ggeagle

          • Warhound

            Hahaha

          • Geagle

            Why thank you man…My problem is I blog the way I talk and my intentions get lost in translation over a computer screen, so my oppinions come out sounding strong…but in reality The eagles are one of the very most secretive franchises in all of sports, none of us can possibly know what they will actually do… everything we post on this site is just basically an oppinion, and mine certainly isn’t worth more than anyone else’s…In 13 days I will either be validated, or I will look like a fool…either way it’s all in good fun. We are all eagles diehard fans, we should check the petty crap at the door, and take advantage of this platform to interact with other knowledgable bird fans in a respectful manner

          • theycallmerob

            Amen. I think thats part of what makes this site great

          • GGeagle

            rob we are going to do mock draft contests for bragging rights…you in?

          • theycallmerob

            Oh most definitely. Was gonna try my first mock this weekend anyway, for shits and giggles.

            Sheil/Tim: can you make this happen? Or should we just take over some random post’s comment section?

          • GGeagle

            yeah Im kinda hoping Tim or Sheil chime in and tell us what to do…whether we should just have people post it whenever, under one of my posts…or if they want to open up a thread on monday or tuesday the week of the draft, so they dont have a million people polluting every thread with mock drafts….Let us know, dont want to make it a nuisance. I have no problem doing the recording or whatever…actually instead of two lists…This is what we will do:
            1 Contest(keep it simple): Mock the first round of the 2013 draf(You just need to get the player in the right spot(you dont need to know which team traded up in that spot)..and after you do your full round 1 mock…List 10 draft prospects that you think have the best chance at becoming eagles by the time the 7th round is over….and that will act as a Tie breaker for the round 1 Mock…

          • Gobirds1

            why do you consider yourself so knowledgable?

            why do you have so many usernames? After you make a fool of yourself with your dim witted blowhard opinions you disappear then come back not with one new name but multiple. Please justify your pounding of the table for and man rush for Manti!!!!!!!
            You are a fraud.

          • Warhound

            I upvoted you but please the term – troll – is….uh…maybe I show my age but I think it’s a term for 12 year old girls. I feel a powerful need to backhand any adult man who uses it ahha :-)

        • Richard Colton

          Meaning it would be less enjoyable for you as a fan or as a strategy? We don’t have any starting tackles under the age of thirty. We need at least two starting tackles. I don’t understand any argument that starts “why should we draft XXXXXX when we already have YYYYYYY?”

          • GGeagle

            THis is all we have on defense:
            1)3tec Cow/thorton that position is nailed down for the next 4 years
            2)Wil 4-3Under Kendricks/ancho
            3)We have 1 OLB Barwin
            4)1CB C-Dub(cary Williams)
            5)Starting MLB for atleast the next two years Demeco
            Thats IT!
            Everyone else from the Grahams to the Coles to the Curry, Phillips,Chung. Fletcher(LOVE HIM if healthy), Sopo(just a stop gap)…at every position besides 3tec, you ate the very least need a competant backup…but alot of these positions need guys who can eventually be better than than the Chungs and Sopo’s that we have at certain positions. We need LEGIT Competition at every spot!
            Graham,Cole,Curry could all prove to be the OLB’s of our future, but we would be foolish to not think there is atleast a chance that they wont even be here next year. Barwin had 11 sacks where Cole/Graham are going to have to be used. He had 3 sacks on the other side…would anyone really be shocked, if Chip decides to move Barwin back to the open side, and draft Jordan for the other side? Getting Value for Graham, Cole and Curry? Im NOT EXPECTING This to happen, and Im not sure that they even have their mind made up yet…..but its a very real possibility, that chip gets the to pre draft mini camp, see’s how they move and decides there is no way in hell Cole,Curry, or Graham can be anything but 4-3DE. These arent HIS GUYS…The man doesnt do the dumb shit that andy did, trying to squeeze the square peg into the round hole…
            People need to understand that just cause we added 6 defenders who’s name’s we know…we arent even close to being set as a defense.All we did was add a starting fringe player at every position, stars will be drafted that have to win spots from these fringe players…Pete Carrol turned over his roster something crazy like 60 times..he just kept signing waived players, trading for discared players, then waiving them for someone else, and on and on…he did this about 60 times, til he found the 53man roster that we saw last year..im telling you right now, there are going to be some darn good 4-3Eagles players that wont be here in 2014..I dont know if its Graham, or Cole, or Curry, or Nate ALLEN, Marsh…but some of these guys will be gone, even very good players, that just dont fit out scheme
            Fuck it, Im done being scared. Im going out on a limb right now! The 2014 starting OLB’s are: Barwin at the Predator, Dion Jordan as the SAM……and this is coming from one of Bgrizzle’s biggest supporters in Philly…Its a bad time for Graham to be going into a contract year!

          • Jason N.

            I’m not saying we shouldn’t draft another offensive lineman at all. Assuming we take fisher at 4th overall. We can wait till at least 3rd to take another o-lineman.

            And even if we don’t take another offensive lineman. Which I hope Won’t happen. There’s some interesting offensive lineman in mid round.

            But in 2014, the guy from Michigan would be pretty good. But he might be #3 overall. We probably wont be picking that high.

          • Richard Colton

            Maybe. It all depends. I certainly wouldn’t draft 4 O-lineman in the first 5 rounds, but say Andy Reid gives us a gift in Joeckal at four…and Fluker inexplicably drops to pick 35…and Stoutland is BEGGING for the guy. All of a sudden, a major weakness is turned into a major strength.
            When the Eagles are ready to make a SB run in a few years, I feel better with a solid line.

      • GGeagle

        ! I think at Tackle, his career will take a similar Trajectory of Andre Smith’s….However, if you move DJ FOCKER to Guard, I do believe he could become one of the very best guards in the NFL

        • Richard Colton

          I’ll be happy either way. Hell – is there a team that knows Fluker better than the Eagles?

          • GGeagle

            yes sir…hey man, you wont hear me utter one bad word about DJ. He doesnt need to be drafted at 4, and he is a player I believe in…would be glad to have him…but I would be disapointed if we didnt make him a guard. I really think he could be one of the best guards in the NFL…but what do I know?
            btw, are we going to do a mock contest? we can do two of them! Mock the entire first round…and then do one where you pick 10 names, and whoever has more names that the eagles ended up drafting wins…and we can set some weird tie breaker qUESTION LIKE: where does Geno smith land?
            All we need is someone willing to keep record of everyone’s picks..I will do it if need be

          • Richard Colton

            Lets do it – think next week will be easier. I’m thinking some trades in the top ten happen between then and now.

          • GGeagle

            everyone start thinking about both lists…the entire first round, and ten names that the best chance of being Eagles…and everyone post there two lists, under one of my posts, the monday or tuesday of draft week..so like april 20th/21st, and I will record everything……spread the word Colt
            Tie breaker question of List #1(The entire first round): what team drafts Geno Smith?
            tie breaker for list #2(Eagles players list): what team ends up drafting EJ Manuel?
            Im sure we can get atleast 3-5 other people. I will take as many enteries as possible…Everyone Just make sure to get me to confirm that I have recorded your final entry….You guys can give me your lists whenever you want, just know that Im not going back to make any changes, so atleast for the round 1 mock, you might want to wait til the Tuesday cutoff date incase of a trade…but as for the Eagles list, But if people are confident, and they want to get it early, post directly under one of my posts, and make sure you get me to confirm that I recorded it….should be fun….If anyone has any suggestions on how to make this process better, or a beter contest idea for draft day, let me know…No money or nothing like that…Just Bragging rights!

  • GGeagle

    Everyone always bashes me for the way I talk about Dee Millner, Funny that the Eagles canceled their workout with millner! hahahaha

    • Richard Colton

      Just saw that on philly.com (you know, that website that was good until they lost Moving the Chains?) He still could be the pick you know. Could just mean that the coaches are confident they know everything they need to know about Milliner.

      • GGeagle

        yeah, they know that he is NOTHING MORE than a solid #2 CB lol

        • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

          It’s actually the guys that they show the least interest in that you need to watch out for.

          • GGeagle

            absolutely…but no shot in hell that you draft a player at #4 that you havent worked out….it just doesnt happen. They might reschedule Millner…but even if they do work him out, Im telling you that he is the most overated player by the mock community…Geno isnt over rated. Everyone knows he isnt a top talent, but they say because he plays QB he is worth taking early…Millner just isnt a top 5 player. Cleveland is THE ONLY TEAM that might take him, because they dont need him to be a number 1 corner….If Cleveland doesnt take him, I think you will see him land in Tennessee…dont be shocked if Trufant is the first corner drafted

  • GGeagle

    Kiper said some interesting things this morning on the Bruno and Mays show when they asked him if Joekel and Fisher are cant miss prospects,….He said they could be very good players, but in a normal draft class they would be taken somewhere in the 15-20 Range….and as good as they are, they have been over rated by the masses due to a weak draft class….He also said traditionally, Olineman dont have that high of a bust rate, he said the hardest position to draft with the highest bust rate in the top 10 is defensive tackle….
    Geno is a BUM
    and EJ? are we really going to draft a QB that has only ever read half the field?..EJ could be good, but he will have to take the sit and watch for 3-4years Aron Rogers route

    • ICDogg

      Yeah… there really are no slam dunk picks, even if you drafted #1 this year.

      That’s why I would take my shot with a guy with upside like Ziggy.

      • Geagle

        Agreed..I always talk about wanting the defenders with the highest ceiling: Dion, Ziggy, Sharrif….all 3 are needs, all 3 provide versatility

  • h

    i think if the eagles trade down and get a second rounder, they can afford to pick EJ (or if the trade Foles). but if they do not pick up extra picks, they have too many other positions to address with less risky picks. i really like EJ though

    • peteike

      my exact thoughts also

    • Mostel

      I do not like EJ at all. Classic head case / underachiever.

  • Jason N.

    God I really hope the Eagles won’t draft a QB this year. Build a defense first, then draft a QB next year.

    • GGeagle

      smart man!

    • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

      I’d bet Chip loads up on offense this year, then lets the dust settle on defense (seeing how Cole, Graham, 2 new corners and 2 new safeties work, and how every adjust to the scheme change) and goes aggressive on D in the 2014 draft. Not to say he won’t pick up a few pieces, but I can see him going very heavy on the O.

      • Phils Goodman

        I tend to agree. It’s going to be a lot easier for Chip to define what he wants on offense right now, while the defense is a bit up in the air. That could make offensive picks slightly safer from an efficiency standpoint.

        • Jason N.

          The only position I feel that need upgrade on offense is WR and offensive line depth. We already have a good RB corp, TE is fine, I wouldn’t mind drafting another TE but I believe James Casey will do well.

          I can wait another year for QB, there isn’t a QB this year that is better than what we already have.

          • Phils Goodman

            They need a starter on the O-line and could use contributors at WR and TE. Throw QB into the mix and you could see a heavy investment on the offensive side.

      • ICDogg

        It depends on how the draft falls, I think. There are a number of decent 3-4 DE-types that look to be available later in the draft. And several corners.

    • Richard Colton

      I really hope the Eagles have built a quality board, that they trust the board, and they get: a star at #4, and quality starters at a number of positions. I hope they don’t reach for players by cutting their board in half like you want them to.

      • ICDogg

        You don’t usually hear the argument in favor of drafting for need. Ted Sundquist, former GM of the Broncos, writes:

        “Each strategy has its own areas of strength and weakness. Clubs that go primarily after the value pick risk not addressing the very things that ail them. Too many resources spent on one side of the ball or at an individual position can adversely tip the balance of your roster. Clubs that set out to specifically fill a void by drafting for need risk misevaluating a player and suffering the long term consequences of both financial and opportunity costs.

        The answer really lays somewhere in between drafting for value and selecting for need.

        Statistical analysis of the draft and relative production of players/positions in relation to where they are selected leads me to lean towards drafting early (1st & 2nd round) for need. This does implement the risk factor of selecting a “bust” but the very best players to build your foundation upon historically come from the top of the board. Afterwards a General Manager would be better served to shift to value at positions that are historically productive in the later rounds. Wide receivers aren’t usually going to produce from the 5thor 6th in comparison to safety or tight end.”

        • GGeagle

          Good stuff IC Doggy Dog!

        • Richard Colton

          Outstanding quote. Every choice requires an examination of the totality of the circumstances. Don’t you hate the “DRAFT ALL DEFENSE!” “DRAFT ALL OFFENSE” “TAKE A QB AT 4, THEN THE BEST AVAILABLE LEFT HANDED SAFETY OVER 6 FEET IN ROUND TWO” arguments? I do.

          • ICDogg

            To me, I take a different point of view than Sundquist, who I quoted. At the top of the draft I look for rare talent above all else. The type of player I will not be able to get anyone close to any other way any time soon.

            In my view, you find a guy like that and he becomes a guy to build around his special skills.

          • Geagle

            Amen! You use a rare pick like #4 on a player that otherwise would be very difficult for you to find. IN my case that would be Dion JordAn…pass on him, and there is nothing like him in free agency or later in the draft.

            if I were to pass on fisher, I know I can find something as good, if not better IN next years draft, and I can find a suitable player at OT later in this draft…I don’t see anything in this draft like Dion(besides Mingo), there was nothing like Dion in FA. I checked next years potential FA list, and there won’t be anyone like Dion available…and I can’t even find a prospect like him in next years draft…So If I’m a team that can use his skill set, and doesn’t have anything like him on the roster, How could I see him on the board and pass on him?..Dion could easily be the 2nd pick in the draft, so if he is on the board, I don’t see how you can ABORT all trades that you have in place to move back, and I definitely don’t see another player that is so much better than Dion at 4, that would make us pass on his ridiculously high ceiling, and unique talents…..If he is available at 4, take him, run, and let the celebrations begin!…We need him in the NFC East…Could you not see him becoming that players that RG3 wants to play against the least? Just imagine an olinebreak down, and Dion is flying free from Romos blind side, Crashing into his ribs at like 20 miles per hour? I need that vision to become a reality…

          • Geagle

            ICDOGG: who is the rare apple of your eye at #4? Because I certainly agree with your approach..

            I just think when you are fortunate enough to know a kids Charecter first hand, why should we be afraid to swing for the fences and try and get the highest ceiling?

        • southy

          I think Howie would be nodding along with this. Emerging CK strategy might tell you: use free agency to fill the holes in your roster, even if they’re not top talents. Then you’ve effectively prevented yourself from feeling like you have to reach.

      • Jason N.

        Are you trying to say that I want the Eagles to reach for players?

        Cause I’m a bit confused about what you’re saying.

        • Richard Colton

          I’m not sure what you’re saying Jay, so I won’t put words in your mouth. If you’re saying you hope the Eagles wind up with some defensive playmakers in this draft – yeah – me too. If you’re saying (as some here have argued) that the Eagles should cut their board in half and ONLY draft defensive players in round 1-5, then no – I can’t agree.
          We had a guy yesterday who said – “if the Eagles draft offense in round 1-5 Chip Kelly will be fired.” How does that quote strike you?

          • GGeagle

            You guys should know by now that im boderline Obssessed with getting us back to having a Nasty, defense Philly can be proud of(its been too long). Im always going to be a defensive guy first and foremost, but you cant just cut the board in half…You never know..say for example: Look at how deep the TE position. There are a ton of them, all with some nice attributes that teams want…so what if a guy like Travis Kelce who you drool over in round 2, falls to you in round 4? You going to pass on a top talent that falls just because he plays on a certain side of the ball?…what if you take a defender in rounds 1 and 2, and then you find Kyle Long, a player you would have never imnagined falling to round 3, at the top of your board when its time to pick…How can you pass on him because he isnt a defender?
            I dont even like Offense lol..I wouldnt care if we never scored a touchdown again, and we end up winning the superbowl beating every team 9-3 LMAO, You still dont ignore great value at a certain spot just because he plays on a certain side opf the ball.

          • UKEagle99

            2-0 is the ultimate defensive way to win a SB. The ’92 team could have done it :-D

          • Warhound

            Oh, already said……

          • Warhound

            How about a winning score of 4-3! I must admit, a Safety is my favorite play!

          • Geagle

            yeah..a safety might be my fav play as well… Winning a Super Bowl scoring 2 safeties and holding our opponent to 3 points, might be like better than the birth of my son. like that’s some type of shit that you would use one of your 3 wishes on if you had a genie.

            Football hasn’t been fun in a while. I think back to the last time we were watching great Eagles football, and I remember waking up so early on Sunday mornings cause I couldn’t sleep, watching all the pregame shows for hours, and around noon, an hour before kickoff, I would start going all weapon X Dawkins batshit, pacing back n fourth, screaming in front of my TV…I haven’t had that feeling an hour before an eagles game in years. And when I think back at the images that stand out in my head from those years, I don’t think about Westbrook, or Donovan or even TO…I think about Hugh Douglas jumping on Kurt Warner’s back in the championship game. I think of Dawkins DESTROYING Alge Crumpler in the playoffs, I think of everytime, Trotter would blow up the A-gap, get a big hit for a loss, stand up like a mAniac and swing his axe, Sheldon Brown Donkey Konging Reggie Bush…Since those days, we have had some flashes of exciting offense in Philly…but it’s been so damn long since we had a defense that didn’t get treated like a little bitch by opposing tems. When do we get to have a big Bully defense that treats opponents like fresh fish in prison lol? Adding 3 of the RIGHT defensive prospects with the addition of some of the pieces we got in FA can really help us get this thing turned around, and get us closer to seeing a defense that Phiadelphia can once again be proud of. it’s been Too Long

            I just want Kyle Long who brings RT/RG nasty versatility, Gavin Escobar/Kelce…and 4 Defenders that will make an impact on our rotation for the next 5 years. Starting with Sir Dion…is that really too much to ask? Lol GIT-r-Done Howie

  • Richard Colton

    I like what I saw from Nassib last night on Gruden’s show. Not sure he makes it out of round #1, but I wouldn’t mind seeing the Eagles grab him at #35

  • GGeagle

    honeyBadger told NFL coaches he failed as many as 10 drug tests….OUCH!

    • ICDogg

      But he’s improving. The last 3 tests he wasn’t as high.

      • GGeagle

        you made me LOL at work!

      • UKEagle99

        That’s now in next years combine. The high drug test. Ricky Williams has offered to set the bar.

  • ICDogg

    Regardless of who takes him or where they take him, I think Nassib will be a good QB.

    • GGeagle

      Yeah, I could also see him becoming a good pro…How he is treated, what you put around him will determine how great he becomes. But I do think he will be a NFL franchise QB…Me personally, Im not comfortable saying that about Geno Smith…Im a charecter and Intangibles guy, and I wouldnt draft Geno before the 3rd round. Dead serious, If Im howie and he is on the board at #35, I would pass on him. I believe in sticking to a BIG BOARD…and Im not from the school of thought that just because a guy plays a certain position he should be higher on a big board…I dont believe in that AT ALL! You set a big board, and you decide how many of these kids AS PLAYERS(forget the positions) are better than Geno..and after you list them all from 1 to whatever, then you list Geno….and if he happens to be the top guy on your board, when you are on the clock at some point during the draft, then you take him. positional value should only function as a tie breaker between two evenly graded prospects……..But there is literally NO F***ING SHOT IN HELL THAT THERE ARE ONLY 3 BETTER prospects in this entire draft than Geno SMITH!! lol
      you wont find one expert or FO type that will say there are only 3 better prospects in this draft than Geno Smith…so why do we even talk about him at #4? because he is the tallest midget in the room? lol

      • ICDogg

        I think it is just that difficult to project college QB talent to pro talent. But there are things I like to see, and things I hate to see. When I see a QB who does not seem decisive, it bothers me a lot. When I see a QB who buys extra time by taking a step or two while not leaving the pocket, I like that. When I see a short, compact throwing motion with decent velocity, I will take that any day over a long motion with lots of loft. And I prefer QBs who are not overly reliant on their legs.

        • Geagle

          Totally agree on all points

        • Geagle

          Nassib reminds me of Tannehill…I would take Tannehill all day at #4 in this draft…

          Do you like Brandon Weeden? if you dont, then you don’t like Geno Smith lol

  • Jason N.

    My first two rounds mock draft is either Fisher and then a defensive player OR Lotulelei and Kyle Long.

  • ICDogg

    There will probably be guys as far down as #17 that I like almost as much as the guys talked about at the very top.

  • Frittycent

    I don’t want any of these QBs…This year reminds me of the Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russell draft…Do not reach for a mediocre QB