Greg Cosell: Four Picks That Fit With Chip Kelly

Greg Cosell has studied Chip Kelly’s Oregon offense extensively. And we know that he pores over hours and hours of college tape in order to be well-educated when it comes to NFL Draft prospects. For the purposes of this article we asked him to marry that knowledge – to provide us with a handful of players from this current crop that would fit well with Kelly, based off the tendencies he showed and system he deployed while in Eugene.

It should be noted that this is an imperfect exercise. We don’t know how much of what Kelly did at Oregon will be transferred to the pros. But since he hasn’t coached yet on this level, we are using the information currently at our disposal.

QB EJ Manuel

“The Oregon offense, to work to its maximum effectiveness based on what I saw on film, requires the quarterback to be a viable running threat,” said Cosell. “There were significant elements of the read option, and that only works if the quarterback is a running threat because it forces defenses to do certain things.

“I would not call Geno Smith a runner but I can see Chip Kelly thinking he can do that; clearly EJ Manuel can do that; and I think Matt Scott can do it.”

Cosell did not seem to think Ryan Nassib would be a particularly good fit as a read-option quarterback.

While he listed all three signal-callers as potential fits, he gave the nod to Manuel over Scott in particular because of sheer size. Manuel is listed at 6-5, 240; Scott at 6-3, 197; and Smith at 6-3, 208.

“At the end of the day, if he’s going to run,” said Cosell, “he is going to get hit.”

TE Jordan Reed

Cosell sees some Aaron Hernandez in Reed’s game.

The 6-3, 243-pound first-team All-SEC selection had 45 catches for 559 yards and three touchdowns for the Florida Gators last season.

“I think offensively, using Oregon as the basis, [Kelly] runs a lot of spread, and wants skill position players that can threaten the defense from wherever they line up,” said Cosell. “I think he wants athletic movement players. You want receiving tight ends because they give defenses matchup issues.

“Reed is an athletic mover with wide receiver traits.”

CBS Sports has Reed being taken in the third or fourth round.  Cosell also mentioned Notre Dame’s Tyler Eifert, but Eifert is a projected first-round pick, and the Eagles aren’t likely to take him No. 4 overall.

OT Luke Joeckel/Eric Fisher

“At the end of the day I don’t think [Kelly is] going to want road graders, he is going to want quicker athletes,” said Cosell. “They could pick an offensive lineman at No. 4. More than likely Fisher or Joeckel will be there. Either one of those guys fits.

“I wouldn’t say either one is an elite athlete. The strength of both guys is repetitive execution, they are always on balance. This is my opinion, but I don’t think you need a great offensive line in college to run that offense. In college, I think the scheme takes care of quite a lot. I don’t think it’s the same way in the NFL. This team needs a good offensive line.

“Personally I think it would be a really good pick. Those guys are ready-made starters. Joeckel and Fisher are starters Day 1 wherever they go. Both should be really stable NFL players.”

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  • GGeagle21

    We arent looking for Hernandez, we are looking for our GRONK! We have James Casey as Hernandez, we have Celek as the traditional TE, now we need to find our Jared Cook, our Freakishly athletic pass catching TE, who is basically a Giant WR. The 3, I want from the draft:
    1)Gavin Escobar (I think he has the ability to be the best in this entire class)
    2)Travis Kelce
    3)Nick Kasa
    It would really hurt to see us spend a very valuable pick on EJ Manuel, I wont even talk about Geno anymore, because he is such a fraud in the top5, that I cant possibly believe our Offensive Genius would actually consider him so high. I would much rather have EJ, than Gen. Geno’s TERRIBLE pocket presence, wont give him much of a chance at the next level…A 2nd round pick is just so valuable when you are 4-12…Even if we were to aquire a second round2 pick, I still wouldnt want to spend it on EJ. Hopefully they dont even draft a QB this year. Forcing the issue, rarely ever pays off….Let the bad teams do shit that bad teams do….I expect better in Philly!

    • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

      Disagree with some of your points here. If we can get a quality tight end, even if he has a similar skill set as Casey, we can always use depth. Kelly will find a way to use him. I know a lot of people are making that comparison to Hernandez, but lets face the facts… Casey hasn’t done anything yet to deserve that comparison. Maybe he’s great, maybe he’s not, but it does not mean we should baulk at the chance to get another quality TE in the draft.

      And as far as QB goes, we’ve seen with Kolb and Kafka what can be done with a mid round QB. So maybe EJ Manuel isn’t the franchise QB we need right now, but the fact is we need a back up QB more suited to what Kelly wants to run, and that’s probably not Foles and who knows if Dixon will even make the team. Maybe we find our QB next year, all of a sudden Manuel can become trade bait. With the way QB’s seem to be falling, we could get him in the 3rd or 4th. I highly doubt they would ever use a 2nd rounder on him.

      • Michael Adam Bennett

        I agree with most, if not all, of what you said… But just thought I would point out that Kolb was a pretty high pick. 36 overall.

        • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

          True, but the haul we got for him was highway robbery. Even though DRC didn’t pan out, the two picks were well worth it.

      • GGeagle21

        I dont agree with you guys points in theory…yes if we can get a quality TE, take one…but this draft is FILLED with TE’s that I believe in at the next level. Because there are so many, so many different styles…why not target one that fits BEST!
        I think Gavin Escobar is the best in the draft! I think he is better than the first rounders…and I think he has the chance to be a special NFL player…If he falls to the right value, I owuld love to take him. Hard for me to say right now, whgat that Value is, because I dont know where, and how many times we will end up picking…If we are only picking 5 times in the first 5 rounds, than I would wantt o wait til the 5th and take Kasa…but if we aquire extra 3rd round picks, I would take Esco, or Travis if either are still on the board. I like Jordan, but I think he will go in the Travis,Esco range, and I happen to like those two much more….Esco is so special, that if they drafted him with the 2nd round pick, I couldnt even complain! That kid Bails out his QB’s as much as any reciever in this draft! Long arems, tough catches, will be a good blocker as well.

      • GGeagle21

        FYI: NO ONE BALKED at drafting a TE! Everyone knows I include a TE in every single one of my mock/wish lists….I just dont think drafting another Hback type of TE is more important than getting that slot reciever type of TE…We have what I promise you will be a great Hback type(who is going to make Texans fans very angry)..and we have a traditional TE in Celek…A Jared Cook type, of Big athletic Burner, with alot of height and Range is the perfect compliment and would make us much more dangerous than adding another Hback type…The position has evolved, a TE isnt just a TE…there are very different types of TE right now…I didnt Balk at drafting a TE…Im pretty certain that we will draft one, and I do want us to draft one…I just happen to think their are TE prospects that I prefer, that will be drafted before and after Jordan Reed gets taken! just my Humble oppinion….If Jordan’s name ends up being called, I will stand up and cheer…he just isnt my top choice!

    • cliff henny

      not really worried about who’s gronk or hernandez, reed sounds like a play maker match up nightmare…sure sounds like a guy kelly would like.
      and Greg Cosell should get alot more national attention, his analysis is better than 99% of the talking heads espn runs out there daily.

      • GGeagle21

        IMO, Cossell is the BEST! He watches his own footage, he is well connected. I rarely pay much attention to anyone besides Mayock, or Cossell…and if you ever heard that caller on Mike Misanelli’s show, reffered to as “Baby Mayock”, that is yours Truley! lol..
        Jordan Reed is a very talented guy…I wont complain if he is drafted…I just think there are Better options for us…Jordan is ONLY 6’2, 236lbs ran a 4.72 in the 40. Gavin is 6’6, 255lbs, 33inch vertical, long arms that gives the QB a HUGE STRIKE ZONE. I mean, he really bailed out his QB with some crazy catches. You put that ball in his vicinity, and he usually makes the play. 20lbs heavier than Jordan, yet Jordan only ran 0.12 faster than Gavin…In 3 years, I think you wont even be able to compare Jordans blocking to Gavin’s…I just see Gavin as that next great Basketball player turned top NFL TE. So, dont look at me as diminishing Jordan, I just like Gavin much more…I like the 6’6Foles throwing it up in the back of the endzone to the 6’6 Esco!!!

        http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Scouting-Report-Gavin-Escobar/d75f82e3-c6ae-4eaf-87cf-973b2384d241

        • cliff henny

          unfortunately, i’ve moved to SC. only thing i miss about philly, talking eagles and phillies and the better radio shows, like mikey miss.
          sold me on Gavin, i’m an easy sell…but yeah, saw his tape from previous article. fact that he did anything with that qb is quite a feat.

          • GGeagle21

            Hahaha…I know how you feel, I moved to Rome for like 2 years(living a fresh prince of bel air lifestyle lol), and whenever anyone would ask me what I miss about Philly and the USA…all I could ever come up with was: Listening to sports radio driving in my car, USA TV…Gavin ISNT the Only TE that can Help us…but in my humble oppinion, he is number 1 on my list

    • Michael Adam Bennett

      I understand that everyone wants their team to get their own version of Gronk/hernandez, but why pigeonhole us to that? This is why I like what I have seen out of Kelly thus far. It seems to me that he is going to attempt to do whatever he has to to win football games. He is not going to freak out about wether or not we have 2 te’s similar to what bellichick has in NE… He is going to run his offense and not concern himself with wether or not it is “conventional” or widely accepted. He is proactive instead or reactive.

    • http://www.facebook.com/todd.orange.1 Todd Orange

      Gavin looks legit!!!!

      • GGeagle21

        He certainly does! 3 years from now, I dont think the 2 first round TE’s will be talked about as the best TE in the draft…I think Esco will seperate himself from them all, and someone like Kelce or Reed will end up being better pro’s than the 2 first rounders…I mean, this TE class is FOCKIN DEEP!!! I think you have a chance at drafting a TE in the 7th who ends up being a starter for you…
        OT, TE, NT…these 3 positions we shouldnt draft early!
        1)You can find a 1st round OT talent like Brennan Williams who can play on both sides, in like the 4th round because of his past injuries. I also happen to believe that OG is a much bigger need for us than OT. Since we are paying our OT’s a TON of money, why not just draft a RG, who was a RT in college, so that he can move to RT in case of an injury emergency? Good Gaurds dont need to be drafted as high,. and they are cheaper. KYLE LONG! KYLE LONG! KYLE LONG! Justin Pugh! lol
        2)TE Like I said, this is an extremely strong TE class…missing out on the TE you target, is not the end of the world in this draft, because you can probably find someone effective in every round
        3)NT…This is tough for me to say, because by now you guys probably klnow that Im a defensive guy, and there are alot of quality NT prospects in this draft…but WE CANT DRAFT ONE EARLY!!! Why? because there are way MORE quality NT prospects this year, than teams who NEED or even USE NT’s….I adore Brandon Williams, Montari Hughes, Jenkins just lost 30lbs, Gaethers…but there is no point taking one anywhere b4 round 4, because there will still be some quality ones available…There are also some prospects like Star, Jonathon Hankins, Jesse Williams, who fit Chip’s schematic Flexability Monicker that can be used as both 5tecs and NT’s.,..I would be willing to invest in a player that can do both early…but a pure NT will have to wait til later in the draft!

    • Bart

      Totally agree with Gavin Escobar, if he’s still on the board in the second I hope they grab him.

  • GGeagle21

    Adam Schefter: an NFL GM predicted quarterbacks are “going to fall like logs” in the draft.

    • cliff henny

      guess it depends on which gm he was talking to. ask one that’s rolled out gabbert, kolb, fitz, ponder, sanchez et all, just the usual qb desperate teams, let’s see where they have them rated. i’ll predict geno is top 10, and manuel is top 20…happens every year. if vick only prevents us from overdrafting qb, than he’s worth every penny.

      • Geagle21

        I dont disagree…but we make too much ofthis. Some guys, just have good enough relationshps with scouts, so they actually just tell them how they see it….Impossible to tell the difference. Take everything you hear with a grain of salt…but that doesnt mean we are always hearing misintel

        • CJ

          GMs should just tell the truth knowing that the other teams will think he’s bluffing and assume his team actually feels the opposite.

          • cliff henny

            lol, true…that logic kind of reminds me of ‘the princess bride’ with the spiked wine.

          • Richard Colton

            Never go in against an Oregonian when death is on the line

          • cliff henny


            41, and the classics never die…great movie….he’s only mostly dead

          • UKEagle99

            Inconceivable!

    • CJ

      While that may be true, I’m guessing that NFL GM plays for a team near the middle of the draft that doesn’t believe in their current QB and wants the chance to draft a new one without putting any added pressure on the kid by trading up.

    • ICDogg

      I doubt it.

  • Token

    So, I think ive made my stance on drafting a tackle that high pretty clear. Its stupid.

    But, there is a real possibility they do it, since as we know they arent very smart.

    Its gotten me thinking lately, will Peters be here? The conventional thought is that if they take a LT at #4 then he will play RT here while moving Herremans to RG. Well that only makes the pick even dumber. And it doesnt make sense to me moving forward.

    Then the question is can you get anything of value for Peters? Being that he is coming off a serious injury especially for a man his size. But he is still considered a top LT in the league.

    He makes 10.8 mil this year and 10 mil next year which is the final year of his deal. It would make little sense to sign him to another big money deal next year when he will be 32. Given that you are basically rebuilding right now and you have just taken a LT at #4 in the draft.

    Something to keep an eye on IMO.

    • CJ

      I must’ve been in a coma when you made your anti-OT stance. If you can get a 10 year pro-bowl caliber player to protect your QB’s blindside (remember Vick’s a lefty), you do it. That puts your best interior linemen back in the interior, and it gives Peters a chance to see if he can bounce back at LT. Just over a year ago, he was the best OL in football, period. It’s crazy talk to get rid of him now, I don’t care how old he is. See what he can do, and if he’s done, you slide the rookie over, move Herramans back out, and you’re all good. It makes sense.

      Personally, I prefer to move down and see what happens, because if you can move down, pick up an extra pick or two and still get that type of player, that’s even better. There might well be 5 of those guys just on the OL in this draft and if you argued that there’s more, I’d probably believe you. Maybe that’s been your point during my coma? There’s so many good ones, why take one at 4?

      • Token

        Basically bad teams stay bad picking tackles in the top 5. They just have far less impact on a team then people commonly think.

        • Richard Colton

          except it’s the second most important position on offense and the deepest position at the top of this year’s draft. Ask any GM what “must have” positions are on their wish list. Don’t you think OT is in the top five?

          • GGeagle21

            QB/OT/DE-OLB……………………The 3 most valued positions. This is not disputable!

          • Richard Colton

            I wouldn’t be upset if you threw in CB too. But to suggest OT isn’t a value position is just silly. Herremans may have been a mid-round gem, but our other recent excellent tackles? Peters and Tra Thomas each cost us a first round pick. Jon Runyon was a premium free agent signing. These guys are hard to find. You don’t just cross your fingers and assume a quality line will happen. Last Eagles coach who did? Buddy Ryan, and it destroyed our chances at a Superbowl.

            Herremans/Mathis/Peters are good. You know who’s better? Father time. I don’t want to be making a run at the Superbowl in 3 years trying to replace their 35 year old knees with Ron Solt jr. and Ron Heller IV, when we could have had Eric Fisher, Kyle Long or Barrett Jones.

          • GGeagle21

            CB isnt valued as much as:
            1)Putting pressure on a QB….and
            2)Keeping pressure off a QB
            Thats just a fact….There are some NFL personel people like Parcels who dont value top CB’s at all, because he says, A CB can easily be schemed out of a game…A DE or an OT, can make an impact on every single down…how can a guy that will defend what? 10 passes per game, be just as valuable?….If the Darrel Revis of DE’s was only the trading block right now, there would be a bidding War for him…Just wait til you see how nuts teams get over Clowney next year…A CB OF COURSE is very important, but it cant be placed on the level of DE/OT

          • Richard Colton

            That’s how I’d rank them: QB/OT/DE-OLB/CB in tier 1. DT/WR/LB/RB in tier 2. Safety/Guard/TE/Center Tier 3. To take a tier 3 player with a top 12 pick – he would have to be a “redefine the position” type guy.

            And I suspect I value CB a little more highly than you. I just see elite corners cutting the field in half longways. If a defense knows it can take the #1 WR out of the conversation with man coverage…wow. Of course, I don’t see Dee Milliner being that guy, so we’re back to the Jordan/Fisher/Floyd debate.

          • Geagle

            no, I would probably put CB 4th…but the game is changing with these new TE, so I think the difference between Safety importance and CB importance is starting to shrink…CB used to be significantly more important

          • Richard Colton

            What if I told you there was an OLB in the draft who could rush the QB like a maniac, eat tailbacks for lunch, and drop back and blanket opposing TEs? What if said OLB was from Oregon. Might you be interested?

          • JofreyRice

            FWIW, former player and Bleacher Report analyst Ryan Riddle has “leaked” information from a KC scout that the Chiefs are likely to take Dion Jordan at #1 overall, via his dumb twitter.

          • GGeagle21

            hahahaahahah….are you trying to seduce me?? lol

          • grn_mtn_phan

            Have to strongly disagree that in today’s pass happy league that CB isn’t just as important. There are guys like Revis and MANY others that force offenses to alter their plans. And just for the record, and I say this as a 15 year coach, offensive and defensive lineman as well as LB’S can ALSO be schemed out of games. I’ve had it done to my teams and I’ve done it to others. In fact I’ve found it EASIER to scheme out OL/DL & LB’S than top notch CB’S. WAY more of an opportunity to double team the first three. Where as corners are far more out in space. If you can “coach me up” on how a top flight corner is easier to take away, even with my coaching experience, I’m all ears BELIEVE ME….

          • Geagle

            What do you mean, you strongly disagree? This isn’t subjective…FACT: NFL front office people value QB/LT/Pass rusher above all the other positions. I don’t even want to waste time giving my oppinion because this isn’t a subjective debatable topic…It’s a fact! CB is not valued the same as those 3 positions,….but it is probably in the top 2 in terms of importance for the next wave of positions

          • grn_mtn_phan

            So let me get this straight, my opinion is “not even subject to debate because your opinion is fact.” (Even though you apparently have trouble SPELLING opinion. Now with the planet sized ego you apparently posses, do you find you have trouble fitting it in the same room as your computer? Mom’s Basement I’m guessing? With your incessant chatter on EVERY SINGLE Eagles blog comment section, I think I’d have to go to Antarctica and use an Apple TRS 80 to escape you and your “not open for debate” opinions. With that I bid you a fine day Yoda. Enjoy your omnipotence your highness lol douchenozzle

          • GGeagle

            Im not talking about our oppinions..my oppinion, your oppinion…Im talking about how Organizations value positions, and its not negotiable…any NFL personel member will tell you that, the highest valued positions are QB, keeping pressure off QB(LT), and putting pressure on the QB(DE)…This isnt an oppinion of mine, its what you will hear every single NFL front office person say when asked….FACTS are not open to debate, Facts arent subjective…..SOmething actually debateable would be to rank the positions in terms of value after those top 3….thats when our oppinions matter, and are all valued the same….but if Im looking at the sky, and its blue…and you want to debate thats its pink…know what Im saying?

          • grn_mtn_phan

            Having a football sedate/discussion is one of the best things in the world. But when you cross paths with an ego maniac who leaves no room for their opinion to be voiced and are told straight out that said egotistical jerks opinion is absolute, it sure doesn’t leave much room for discussion. I not only have been a coach for going on 16 years, I also have a psychology degree and your ego-maniacal front is nothing more than an insecure smoke screen hiding your fear of someone having a dissenting opinion about as well as an elephant hides behind a bush. Sad really. If you ever want to climb out from behind that tin wall of fragile ego you’ve cultivated and have a TWO WAY football conversation, I’ll be here…

          • GGeagle

            all I fucking pointed out was that Facts arent subject to oppinions!!!!! and its a FACT that OT/LT/QB are more valued than every other position in the eyes of NFL front office people…sorry, thats a fact that isnt debateable…you want to talk to me about the positions YOU VALUE, then your oppinion is just as good as mine…but when Im talking about what Front office people value, sorry but thats not up for debate…NOT EVERYTHING is debateable. Facts are FACTS!!!!!

          • grn_mtn_phan

            OK OK. You got me. Facts are facts man. EX. you are an egotistical ass clown that can’t even SPELL OPINION (one p!!). FACT.Also just because you’re more Excitable and cuss to ATTEMPT to make a point, don’t make you right forest!!

          • GGeagle

            sorry, but I dont need to talk shit to youy or make it personal…talking football is enough for me,…thanks

          • Token

            QB is the most important and then every other position kind of depends. Ive seen teams win Super Bowls with lines the same or worse than what the Eagles have if they stand pat, and recently too.

            Im guessing that the traditional pass pro anchor LT that people think of is less important under Chip Kelly.

            Also just because a position is valuable doesnt mean you have to draft that in the top 5 to get a player. Our LT who everyone loves was a undrafted tight end, now a top LT in the game.

            The bottom line to me is you need impact in the top 5. Tackles have too little impact on the outcome of games, seasons.

          • Richard Colton

            How lucky for the Buffalo Bills. He still cost us a 1st round pick. Teams with bad lines have no shot – which is exactly what we’ll have in 2 years if we don’t address the position. Is Eric Fisher a sure thing? Nope, but he and Joeckal are the two closest things to a sure thing in the 2013 draft.

            I’m not sure what your rationale is for saying OT doesn’t impact outcome. As we saw this year, you really can’t scheme around a bad line. It hamstrings your offense. This is a passing league – can’t pass if your QB isn’t clean. Next to QB, I can’t name a more important player on offense.

          • JofreyRice

            see, I’d disagree somewhat. I might alter your statement to say teams with bad QB’s have no shot–but even that’s not entirely true, if you’ve got a creative and efficient run game & a good defense, like the 49ers. For the most part, you need a QB. As evidenced by the last bunch of Super Bowl champs, you can get by with adequate LT’s, and depending on the QB, sometimes even less than that.

            The Browns have better bookends than we’ve got, and will be trash until they get a QB.

            Eugene Monroe is the forgotten man in Jacksonville–one of the better pass protectors in the game. It doesn’t matter when Gabbert perceives pressure where none exists.

            The Raiders have a great young LT in Jared Veldheer, but they were crap, and are not even in the market for a LT this year.

          • Richard Colton

            Right – but they’re necessary and don’t grow on trees (or in the 7th round). What’s an adequate left tackle? Top 15 or 16? Even that’s hard to find. We knew pre 2012 draft, pre FA last year that we were short an OT and how did that work out?
            If I’m being honest, the three biggest issues the Eagles have right now are A) who’s the QB B) Playmakers on defense C) Age/injury/questions on the O-line. The answer to A isn’t in this draft. I’m 50/50 on B. I’m 80/20 on C, which is why I’m picking C.

          • JofreyRice

            Oh, I’m not advocating they just sit on their hands and wait to draft a T until the 7th, but there’s a nice sweet spot in there that’s outside of the top 5, as well. Get your 1st round tackle as the team improves, and you’re 7-9 or 8-8. Not having a top tier tackle isn’t going to stop that improvement. My personal theory is you draft an athletic upside run blocker, and teach him to pass protect. If you have the right QB–which you need no matter what–that’s good enough.

            When you are picking in the top 5, I think you go with the positions that affect the pass game, first and foremost, because that’s the main way your team scores or prevents points; QB. Gamechanging Passrusher (DT, DE, OLB) or transcendent coverage player (CB, S).

            The Eagles were 8-8 (and should have been much worse) with Peters/Herremans in their prime. I get what you’re saying with Option C, but I think we can add a guy like Long or Pugh, or some other guy later. I think you have to try and trust that the scouting dept. gets it right and you pick the right guy with Option B.

          • Richard Colton

            I’d be right there with you if those things existed this year. I just look at the top of this draft and don’t see a QB, don’t see a can’t miss gamechanging passrusher or a trancendent player at CB. What I do see is a solution to a potential long term critical issue in Fisher/Joeckal.
            Maybe it’s Jordan, but I don’t see him making it past Oakland. Star seems like just another guy. I know you like Sheldon Richardson, but when you’re looking for a defensive gamechanger, taking a guy at 12-16 when you had the #4 seems like a losing proposition.

          • JofreyRice

            fair enough. I guess if I didn’t view SRich, Floyd or Vaccaro as gamechangers taking a tackle at 4 would be my view as well. I would ask though, do you REALLY believe that 3 years from now, the top part of this draft will have produced 0 gamechanging defenders, or are you just not that confident our FO can identify who they are?

          • Richard Colton

            Ohh no – there are some studs there, as well as some duds. Too many question marks to say for certain. I’d rather go with the 90% sure thing at 4, than take a 60/40 chance. That’s how I view the Joeckal/Fisher tandem – as close to “can’t miss” at a premium position as you could hope for at #4.
            If Floyd or Jordan is the guy at 4 – I’m not going to complain. I’m going to get excited about how great our D-line is on paper. Vaccaro? To take him at #4 he’d better be the next coming of Eric Berry, but I don’t see him rated that high.

          • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

            Left Tackle is the highest paid position outside the Quarterback and a lock down Corner. Peters is paid $10 Million a year, his counterpart, a Right Tackle, the best right tackle is paid between $4 and $5 Million a year.

            Lock down cornerbacks, $9 to $12 Million a year.

          • JofreyRice

            I don’t think that is as true anymore. Think about all the exotic blitz packages, variable fronts and “amoeba” looks. Think of how DC’s are constantly moving guys around to exploit matchups–to the right side, over guards, in 2 point stances from behind the line. If you have a static LT that’s playing at a really high level, you can effectively block edge pressure from 1 guy, the ROLB or RE, depending on the front. In the case of the Niners, if they don’t actually move Aldon Smith around, they’ll loop him to get him a 1 on 1 block with a guard. The defense still dictates where to apply the pressure in these cases.

            What kind of pressure has been the premium in the last few years? I’d say the answer is interior pressure. Preventing a QB from stepping into his throws and stopping him from climbing the pocket to avoid edge pressure seems to be the blueprint for stopping the “elite” QB’s, like Brady, Manning, & Brees. Does that mean that an elite guard is more valuable than an elite tackle? I dunno, seems like New Orleans thinks that way.

            Honestly, I’d rather have 5 “good” players on the line that can develop some chemistry and play as an effective unit rather than one “elite” LT. I don’t know that it necessarily comes down to a choice of either/or, but I agree with Token that a T in the top 5 is not the best use of resources. I think you can get a guy that is a very good tackle anywhere from the middle of the 1st all the way through the 3rd, obviously, the higher the better. No need to use a pick to get some guy you want to become Jonahthan Ogden–I don’t think those kind of players have the same value they used to have.

    • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

      If we absolutely needed a LT I’d be more warmed up to picking one but I don’t like the idea of moving a guy out of his natural position for a few years then move him over again when Peters is done here. I think the smarter approach would be to spend some of that ample cap space on one of the right tackles, Winston or maybe even Clabo, then we can truly draft the BPA.

      I just want a game changer on defense. It’s been so long since we’ve had one.

      • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

        Clabo, or Winston is going to cost the same money as drafting one of the premium rookies in this draft, you maybe get 3 or 4 years from the veterans, and 10 to 12 years from one of the rookies.

    • GW.Fisher

      You take an OT to solidify everything else you do on offense. If your line is Peters, Herremans, Kelce, Mathis, Fisher/Jockel you’ll score a few points with all the skill players we have, especially if Kelly really wants to run the ball. Certainly makes life easier not only now but going forward.

      Back when Andy stuck to his philosophy he locked up Jon Runyun for 5 years and set up the bookend with Tra Thomas, on a line that used a lot of different people inside (Bubba Miller, Fraley, Artis Hicks, et al) yet year-in year-out was one of the strengths of a top-5 offense.

      One look at last year should show you the folly of poor line play. Drafting a guy that is a 10 year starter isn’t sexy, but it leaves you one less thing to worry about.

      • GGeagle21

        Rather draft a 10yr starter at RG, who played RT in College, thus can swing over to RT in case of an emergency! Guards are Cheaper, and they dont needed to be drated as high..not to mention, Herremans is better at OT than Guard(regardless of what people Parrot)…
        I want David Quessenberry!! WHY? Because he can play every single position on the Line, and if we dont draft him, The GreenBay Packers who run a zoneblocking scheme and know what they are doing will probably draft him hahaha…and you dont have to spend a 1st or 2nd on him! He isnt the only player that brings that to the table…Barrett Jones held his own at every position on the line(just about), and he did it in the SEC, playing for our current Oline coach.
        Herremans and Peters are our starting OT’s, who we are paying a ton of money to. Kelce/Mathis, probowl caliber!…The question is the RG, which was so bad last year that now people think Herremans isnt a good RT hahaha(Thats BAD!)…I just dont understand why the Fock we would take a playmaker away from the defense at #5…when sitting in round two will be a 6’8,ATHLETIC MONSTER in Kyle Long:
        1)Played for Chip Kelly, and comes from Howie Long’s sack…WTF more could we want? lol Lineman are the hardest players to transition to the uptempo offense. Having a 6’8 Monster who has become a top prospect while playing in the highest Tempo offense in college for our HC…I just dont see how that can be a bad idea
        2) MEAN, Nasty, Runyan like Gritty SOB. Kyle Long and Jason Kelce are two Fockin Badasses, putting them next to each other, will bring some serious FUNK to our Oline!…Kyle, spawned from the Sack of the Great,Nasty, Howie Long! This kid has some of the best bloodline in football, and he will NOT BE another Casey Mathews..you can bet that!
        3)Will push, and probably DETHRONE Danny Watkins for the starting RG spot, but because he played RT at Oregon, we can count on him to be able to slide to RT in case of an injury.
        4)Very gifted athletes, who right now is doing invaluable MMA training with Jay Glazier, which will only help him improve the leverage in which he plays the game with.
        Not Only can he solidify your starting Line NEXT season, but drafting him still allows you to add a top 5 playmaker to the defense that desperately needs it…I dont think we could have a better strategy then:
        Defensive Playmaker in rd 1: Dion,Sharrif,Ziggy..If we trade back: Star, Sheldon,Trufant,Cyprien…If Nassib is available for us with the 35th pick, WE should trade #35 and a 7th to Buffalo for #41 and #105. To give you an idea of players that some known sites have on the board available at 105(Kelce,Brandon Williams, Jelanie Jenkins,Quessenberry,HoneyBadger, Brennan Williams,Jordan Poyer)…There is a good chance we can end up drafting Long at #41, and then say Quessenberry to backup Kelce and every position on the Oline at number #105….So by passing up an OT at #4, you could end up getting 2 Olineman with your 2nd round pick and end up with a Starting RG/backup RT and a backup to Kelce, and every single position on your line…..THATS A TON OF VALUE TO GET FROM YOUR 2nd ROUND PICK!!!!

        • GGeagle21

          I dont see a better strategy, than trading back in round 2, and Targeting Long, while picking up an extra 4th round pick because if someone steals Long away, a very similar prospect in Justin Pugh, who can start at RG for you, while also backing up the RT will certainly be available…and if you dont like Quessenberry in the 4th, a 1st round Talent like Brennan Williams will probably be on the board, who can play both RT and LT for you…Look at how much value you can get with just your 2nd round pick….why the hell would we draft an OT at #4?

    • JofreyRice

      Interesting idea. I wonder, though, if they were going to cut Peters, would they have done it already? I guess they paid him a 250K roster bonus on 3/25, although that small amount wouldn’t really be prohibitive in cutting 10 mil in salary, if they (for some unknown reason) wanted to get down to 45 million under the cap.

      I’d dislike that idea, though. Peters isn’t Methusela, he’s only 31 right now. He’s supposedly been “100%” since the end of last season, and sounds confident. Essentially using the top 5 pick to just swap Peters out for a rookie strikes me as foolish and as poor a use of resources as FF doing the same with Eric Winston and Joeckel/Fisher. Don’t want to be like the FF!

      • Token

        Well rather then cut Id think they could trade him for something. Its not like his contract is a untradable number like Vicks was. If they take a tackle maybe they give Peters this year to prove hes healthy and can get something for him in the offseason.

        Point is, I dont see him here long term. Hes got two years on his deal. Especially if they take a tackle I dont see him being here past this season. I dont see him getting another pay day here which is what he would command.

        And as I said im pretty curious to see how he comes back from this injury. Im also looking forward to seeing how he adapts to a up tempo play style. Peters is a guy who got lazy at times so I dont want to assume he fits right in a offense that will run many more plays per game.

        • http://www.philthycanuck.com/ Adam

          Maybe it’s my homer glasses but I can’t wait to see how Chip uses Jason Peters in this offense. Seeing him out blocking in space is a thing of a beauty. For the types of play we are going to be running I think he is a great fit. That is assuming he’s healthy, which is obviously the biggest question.

          As far as play #’s go, we’ll see. I’m worried about his condition though, he was out of shape coming out of the lockout but that ended up fine.

          • cliff henny

            weights 345 now, wants to get down to 320, 10 less than usual. hurry up wears everyone down, but defense at much faster pace. kelly’s no dummy, he isnt going to have peter’s pulling after he just ran 20 yards downfield. kelly knows how to call plays that give his guys breaks while defense is still running around. really has it down to a science, pretty cool to watch

          • ICDogg

            I don’t think Peters is going anywhere.

            The reasons that drafting O-line is a strong possibility are: (1) the age of Peters and Herremans; (2) O-line is the strength of this draft.

          • Token

            Would you agree that if its a draft deep with lineman it makes even less sense to take one at 4?

          • Richard Colton

            Makes perfect sense if he’s the best guy on the board. Wouldn’t mind seeing O-line with #4 and #35. Does Howie have the guts to make that move knowing the fans will forget the 2002 draft and filet him?

          • Geagle

            Wouldn’t mind not seeing a single offensive player drafted before the 5th round

          • Richard Colton

            That wouldn’t necessarily bother me either, depending how the draft worked out. If 13 OTs and Guards go in the 1st round, I’m probably not getting value at O-line 35. Your “the offense will be fine – draft defense” plan is a needs based strategy that assumes the Eagles are a one year fix. I don’t see it that way. Besides, you’re chopping your draft board in half; why would you do that?

          • GGeagle21

            I wouldnt…just exaggerating!….I want FLEXABILITY! I want Talent that can be used in a bunch od fifferent ways…I want Lineman who can play multiple positions. I want DT’s that can be both a 5tec and NT…I want an OLB that the offense has no clue if he is rushing or droping back into coverage…This is what I want! Lucky for me, I have a feeling that the eagles will value similar things…16 days til we find out!…….
            I would absolutely LOVE to draft Alec Ogltree, have him lose 12 lbs, to play Deathbacker hybrid Safety/LB type like Kam Chancellor…this can only be done if you have a rangy cover safety. If Phillips stays healthy, he could certainly be paired with a Deathbacker…but to do this, you would have to find a back up cover safety with alot of range that can play centerfield, what “Not so Nasty” Nate was supposed to be able to do!

          • Richard Colton

            I hate the idea of Ogletree in midnight green. Seems like a head case at LB. “Not so Nasty” Nate Allen is your best nickname of the week – goes perfect with the rest of our non-violent passive resistance secondary of 2012 – “Gandhi” Asomugha

          • nicksaenz1

            Gandhi Asomugha is a great one.

          • nicksaenz1

            I’d rather have Ansah lose the 10-15lbs.

          • ICDogg

            Certainly that would be a factor to consider. I would rather draft a pass rusher myself.

          • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

            More pass rushers picked in the first 5 picks fail rather than find success in the NFL. You have got to be a special immediate impactive player to make a difference on the defense as a rookie. In the likes of Sapp, Von Miller, or Suh there is not a defender in this draft like any of those defenders.

            If the Eagles don’t select one of the trophy offensive tackles, or a serviceable Quarterback, Kelly is out of a job in two years. In order to escape that mandate, the Eagles will have to trade down.

  • cliff henny

    GG, you are draft obsessed (meant as compliment)…reed is 3/4 as article states? where does gavin kid project?

    • GGeagle21

      Im usually always draft obsessed, but this year coming off a 4-12 year, and it being a very deep draft class, it just took me to another level of craziness(Think about it, we didnt get to enjoy a full season. Our season was over in October lol)…I see Gavin as 2nd round pick…but I wouldnt be surprised if he gets taken late in rd 1, or slides to early part of round 3…No way Gavin lasts til the 4th. I dont mean to sound like Im Diminishing Jordan, because I would be excited to hear his name called on draft day…I just think the world of Esco, and think he is the PERFECT compliment to Casey and Celek…I would like the TE drafted to be a serious endzone weapon, and in that Regard I think Gavin is head and shoulders above Jordan….Jordan is pretty inexperienced, so he could improve drastically with some seasoning….I think Gavin is ready to be one bad Mofo in the NFL RIGHT NOW…I dont get caught up in rookie production, but I think Gavin has alot less bust potential, and a higher ceiling, so how could I want Jordan more? you know?

      • cliff henny

        unless we pull a trade to aquire another pick or 2, Gavin sounds like a luxury. TE sounds like a 5th round need to me, should still be a good guy or 2 then, think you posted Kasa below. he’s certainly on eagles radar, seems like he got some skill.

        • Geagle

          I agree, but because of my belief in Gavin, if he fell to us in rd3 a LONGSHOT, I’d pull the trigger if I’m Howie..Gavin,Casey,Celek on the field together is just dirty

          • UKEagle99

            Sounds good. Gavin & Casey picking up 1st downs and Celek signalling them.

          • GGeagle

            ahahahahah you made me LOL at work!

  • Richard Colton

    No one knows what Chip Kelly’s offense will look like, but EJ Manuel is apparently perfect for it.

  • http://twitter.com/Alpharjth Richard Hogan

    Let’s see how FILM ROOM Cosell does with his mind reading of Chip Kelly. Fisher or Joeckel aren’t exactly mind blowing “going out on a ledge” guesses by Cosell now are they…

  • Max Lightfoot

    I agree with Son of Howard. We need a big, fast O-lineman who can give 8-10 years of excellent pass/run blocking. Joeckel or Fisher would fit the bill. Getting Chip’s type of quarterback is not a Round 1 critical need: The ability to PROTECT Vick or Foles QB is a critical need. I’m all in favor getting Manuel in the 2nd round, as long as we upgrade the O-line.