Eagles Wake-Up Call: The State Of the Offensive Line

One of the more intriguing aspects of free agency for the Eagles might have been a move they didn’t make.

On the first day of the new league year, the Birds were linked to right tackle Jake Long. Eventually, Long ended up signing a four-year, $34 million deal with the Rams that includes up to $20 million in guaranteed money if he stays healthy.

The Eagles also expressed interested in right tackle Eric Winston once he was cut by the Chiefs. Les Bowen of the Daily News reports that the team has a number it’s willing to sign Winston at, and a deal is still possible, depending on what he gets offered elsewhere.

So what does all this mean for the current players on the roster?

Football Outsiders tracks a stat called Adjusted Games Lost (AGL) Here’s their definition:

Measurement of the cost of injuries, both in terms of missed games and games where players were not able to play to their full potential. Estimates a number of games based on whether players are listed as Probable, Questionable, Doubtful, or Out.

In other words, it measures how badly teams were hurt by injuries compared to others around the league. We know Jason Peters missed the entire season, Todd Herremans missed eight games and Jason Kelce missed 14. But the metric shows just how devastating those injuries were.

The Eagles’ offensive line AGL was 42.6; that’s the highest number for a team since the site started tracking the stat 11 years ago.

The bad news is those injuries helped pave the way for a 4-12 season. The good news is it’s reasonable to expect improved health in 2013. Herremans told the Wilmington News-Journal recently that he doesn’t anticipate missing any offseason activities as he recovers from an ankle/foot injury. He had missed just five games the previous six seasons.

Jason Kelce has been rehabbing a torn ACL all offseason. He suffered his injury in the second game of the season and had surgery in October. And by all accounts, Jason Peters is doing well after injuring (and then re-injuring) his Achilles’.

Going forward, the two areas in need of an upgrade are right guard and depth. The Eagles are unlikely to go into the spring projecting Danny Watkins as a starter. If the former first-round pick surprises, great. But the team can’t be counting on that at this point.

The idea of moving Herremans back inside seems to definitely be in play, given the team’s interest in Long. Perhaps they’ll still sign a right tackle, or more likely, they could take one with the No. 4 pick (Texas A&M’s Luke Joeckel or Central Michigan’s Eric Fisher).

The other option would be to sign or draft a starting-caliber right guard and keep Herremans at tackle.

And finally, the team needs to address depth. The Eagle have bodies: Dennis Kelly, Matt Kopa, Nate Menkin, Matt Tennant, Dallas Reynolds – but they’ll all be expected to compete for roster spots in 2013.

WHAT YOU MISSED

The Eagles were awarded a seventh-round compensatory pick. T-Mac has the breakdown of all their selections.

Owner Jeffrey Lurie told McManus that Nick Foles is going to have a great opportunity to compete.

Prior to going to West Virginia to see Geno Smith, Lurie had not attended a private workout since 1999 when he watched Donovan McNabb.

Chip Kelly’s history of using a rotation on defense helps explain the Connor Barwin signing.

Who will the Eagles take with the No. 4 pick? Here’s your mock draft roundup.

And finally, an All-22 breakdown of new wide receiver Arrelious Benn.

WHAT THEY’RE SAYING

SI.com’s Peter King called the James Casey signing the second-best deal of free agency:

“With coach [Chip] Kelly coming in here, I thought it was a great fit for me,” Casey said upon signing. Truest words of the week. Recruited to Rice as a quarterback, Casey became an all-purpose back and tight end, and played numerous special teams for Houston. The way Kelly will use Casey (52 catches, 11.3 yards per catch in 969 snaps in Houston over the past two years) is the way the Patriots use their tight ends, and the way San Francisco used Delanie Walker last year: everywhere.

Dan Graziano of ESPN.com looks at the Eagles’ QB situation:

But having seen the inconsistent turnover-prone, injury-prone Vick too much over the past two years, we have no choice but to cast him into the “question mark” category. Kelly can dream and scheme and imagine all that Vick can do with the help of his fresh offensive concepts, but he can’t be sure Vick will be able to run the offense responsibly, make the right decisions under fire, protect the ball or keep himself from getting hurt. No one can. That’s who Vick is, and that’s what you accept when you take on Vick as your starting quarterback.

This isn’t news to Kelly, and that’s why you’re starting to hear rumblings about the Eagles poking around West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith, who could be theirs for the taking with the No. 4 pick in the draft.

COMING UP

T-Mac will have all aspects of the owners’ meetings in Phoenix covered, plus some free agency and draft nuggets.

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  • JTR

    There’s been a lot of talk about addressing oline depth, tackles and guards, but haven’t heard much about addressing center. Of the three injuries, Kelce’s seems hardest to come back from given the time frame, and we haven’t done anything to create a contingency plan for if he isn’t healthy to start the season….do we want to take the chance on Dallas stating the season at center? Wondering what the FA class at center looks like?

    • JofreyRice

      I’m hoping Kelly loved what he saw from Kelce in 2011 & they know he’s on track for a full recovery, because free agency has been picked pretty clean of centers. It’s a tough position to play as a rookie, if arranging protections are part of the deal. I thought Kelce struggled pretty badly at times in 2011, especially with power rushers.

  • Dolomite

    Jake Long is a Left tackle he was never a possibility for the Eagles.The Eagles either need to sign a FA Right Tackle or draft a Left tackle and have him start out at Right tackle for a few seasons.

    • laeagle

      The Eagles and other teams were interested in signing him to play RT. Maybe he never would have signed, but that’s what the Eagles wanted, and they weren’t alone.

      • Dolomite

        The was zero chance of Jake Long moving to RT.Left tackles get paid. Hey Jake we want to pay you less and move you to RT..click..Jake,..Jake..Hello

    • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

      Eagles had a chance to pursue Long last year but choose Bell. The Eagles had no desire to pay Long the money he wanted then or now.

  • JofreyRice

    With multiple rumors linking them to RT’s in free agency, Danny Watkins being a humiliated & shameful busted first round pick, and Peters & Herremans not getting any younger, I think it’s very possible they’re going to take a guy to play right tackle with the #4 pick. In that scenario, I guess the plan would be to put Herremans back inside, replacing the dishonored former fireman Watkins, and eventually transition the draft pick to the left side, to replace Peters.

    I’m not a big fan of taking a tackle that high in the first place, but even less so when you’re planning to play him out of position for a year or more, and then transition him to the other side.

    I guess the good news is that with only really KC needing a T, I think either Joeckel or Fisher will be there at #4. I also have this suspicion that one of the QB needy teams is going to move up to get Geno, which would shift everyone down a notch, unless Jax or Oak takes him, themselves. Fisher would probably be a better fit for a move blocking system, but either one of those guys are pretty talented.

    • Fink

      I agree with your second paragraph. Lets not draft a guy at 4 to play out of his natural position, just to move him back a couple years later.

      I hope we take OL in the second or third round and focus on solidifying this defense with Milliner or Floyd. If we can trade down and get an extra 2nd, that would be ideal.

      • Dmancine9

        I agree with you. I would rather see the Eagles draft defense with the 4th pick. Milliner is my top choice, then Floyd, Jordan or even Star (depending on health). I still would like to see us address the RT position in free agency. Andre Smith, Vollmer and Winston are still available. Then draft OL later in the draft to increase depth.

        • DutchEagle

          We need a top tier tackle for the coming ten years with Peters and Herremans aging. This is the draft to go and get one (in the first round) IMO.

          • Token

            Bad teams stay bad when they pick tackles in the top 5.

          • Fink

            Yes, I agree. Taking a tackle that high would make sense for this team if we didn’t have one of the best LTs in the league (when healthy). This defense was abysmal last year. I am happy with our FA pickups, but we need to build our defense with top tier talent through the draft first and foremost. Our week 1 OL (assuming they are healthy) is the best OL in the NFC East. Can we say the same about our defense?

          • Richard Colton

            I really hope you’re right about Peters, but 2 years and 2 achilles surgeries is a lifetime in professional sports. Best case scenario for me is (from left to right) Peters/Mathis/Barrett Jones/Herremans/Fisher. How does that sound?

          • Fink

            Sounds outstanding, but what good is a studly offensive line if our defense is allowing 35 points per game?

          • Token

            This team needs way too much talent to waste their top two picks on the offensive line. Our offensive line, which most people thought would be good, is made up of no high picks.

          • GoBirds1

            OK, so why don’t we trade this year’s 1 and 2 and next years 1 with fat Andy, and get Geno. If Chip and company are right, they will look brilliant. I think Reid will draft Geno and develop him during the season and cut Alex for next year.

          • Token

            And this is another problem with the scenario. If you assume Peters comes back and can play you are basically taking a player you plan to play at right tackle with a top 5 pick. That would be a major red flag for the start of the Kelly era. I really want to believe he is smarter than that.

          • Richard Colton

            Even if Peters comes back at 85% of his former self, he plays left tackle. I don’t see the issue with that transition. Playing a LT at RT isn’t like playing a LB at DE, it’s more like playing a SAM at WIL. It doesn’t retard the player’s development. Plenty of teams start young OTs at RT then move him to the QB’s blind side.

            You haven’t said yet – who do you think the Eagles should draft at #4? Other than “not an O-lineman”

          • Token

            In a perfect world Id trade down and get the top safety. Chung cant play and its unwise to assume Phillips will stay healthy. I think safety is important.

            I think they want out of 4. But if they stay there im assuming they take Geno or Floyd. I dont love either but the idea of not having to ever watch Vick play again is enticing.

          • Richard Colton

            OK token. if you can tell me they trade back from 4 to mid-round, pick up a HOF safety, as well as an extra 1st round pick, then I’m 100% with you. lets call Howie and get it done!

          • Richard Colton

            Like Trent Williams and Russell Okung in ’11 and Joe Thomas in ’09? Other than QB, please tell me a more important offensive position. If the Eagles can get Joeckal or Fisher at #4, and they think one of them can be a star LT for 10 years, He’s worth the pick. Bad teams stay bad when they draft kickers in the first round.

          • Token

            Well yes. You are helping to prove my point. Joe Thomas is on the Browns. Trent Williams is on the Redskins. Okung on the Seahawks. When is the last time either team won a superbowl?

            Has Thomas helped to turn that franchise around at all? What about the other two? The answer is no. Tackles dont help to turn around franchises. Impact players do. What was Williams before RG3? What was Okung before Wilson? Thomas is still wasting away in Cleveland because they dont have impact players. Lets bring Jake Long into this too.

            Talented skill players win you championships. I fully understand the old adage of the game is won in the trenches. And im not really saying it has no merit. But drafting offensive lineman in the top 5 is a horrible idea. IMO if there is any position where you can get guys that can play later in the draft its Oline. Coaching makes more difference there than maybe any other position in my mind. You need guys with the tools to work with and a coach that can mold them.

            You save top picks for impact players. I dont believe Kellys system will need all world pass blockers. And you must take into account what a QB means to a offensive line and not vice versa. Its a big part of it.

          • Richard Colton

            Good stuff Token – I agree 100% that top picks must be impact players. But LT is a major impact position. Maybe we’re a little spoiled in Philly because we had Tra Thomas and Jason Peters for so long. Here’s what Kapadia just had to say about it:

            “The more I think about it, the more I tend to believe offensive tackles Luke Joeckel (Texas A&M) and Eric Fisher (Central Michigan) are probably at the top of the Eagles’ board. Of the nine offensive tackles who made the Pro Bowl last year, seven were first-round picks.”

            My point is even a mobile QB looks bad behind a bad line. I’m thinking Vick in ’12 and Randall in ’91. If you think Geno Smith is a franchise QB, then yes, we have to take him. But don’t compare LT to a position like guard or safety – where you can pick someone up cheap in free agency or middle rounds in the draft.

          • Token

            It seems to me like there at least as many quality lineman that reach FA than quality safeties. With how the game is today I think you may be undervaluing the safety position. The Eagles have done it for years now and its been a part of the downfall of the defense. Id take the top safety in this draft over the top tackle at #4 if im the Eagles. If I had to choose between the two.

            If your going by the pro bowl, looking at the guys who made it not as injury fill ins.

            Joe Thomas – Maybe the best tackle in the game. Yet his team is miserable

            Duane Brown – Late first rounder. Good player, but team cant win anything.

            Ryan Clady – 12th overall. Team a mess before Manning arrived.

            Joe Staley – Late first. 49ers have invested in the Oline. It wont end up paying off until they have enough impact players on offense.

            Okung – 6th overall. Was a injury prone nobody on a team that was doing nothing before Wilson arrived.

            Trent Williams – 4th overall. A dissapointment on a miserable team before RG3.

            Thats not even talking about the Jake Longs, D’Brickashaw Fergusons or any of the other cant miss all world tackle prospects there are each and every draft. How many of them are large contributing factors to their teams success?

          • JofreyRice

            I think you’re on the money here. The problem is, the idea of this golden, franchise LT is a very familiar one for some people, and it’s tough to give up. The 9ers have a left tackle that’s primarily a fantastic move run blocker, selected in the middle of the first, not top 5. The Ravens shuffled their OL as they entered the playoffs, and had a guy the Vikings had cut protecting Joe Flacco’s blindside. Andrew Luck hit the ground 148 times in his rookie season–most of any QB–but took a 1 win team to a ten win team in one year. Taking a tackle in the top 5 just ain’t what it used to be.

          • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

            I don’t see the recent playoffs supporting your point very well, as they featured a who’s who of tackles, particularly on teams advancing deep. Tandems of Solder/Vollmer, Staley/Davis along with Clady, Okung and Williams headlining the crop. McKinnie/Oher got healthy and played fantastically down the stretch (McKinnie is a former 7th overall pick, Outland winner and Pro Bowler). It’s not as if McKinnie is some bum. He has an outstanding pedigree and after he overcame nagging injruries he returned to form and played to the pedigree. The Ravens have only played Oher at the blind side by necessity. They have shown several times in the past that their preference is to have him over on the right side. The question with McKinnke at LT is if he can keep up his play with his age and injury history. Staley was a steal at the bottom of the 1st, but he’s become a top talent and I bet he wouldn’t get out of the top 5 if you could redo that draft. Is it better to get an All-Pro franchise LT at the bottom of the draft than the top? Absolutely. But it’s much easier said than done.

          • JofreyRice

            There is a reason why certain positions have been valued more than others in the draft and free agency, would you agree? I’d argue that those positions are QB, Passrusher, LT, and Coverage players, and they are valued so highly because they directly affect the passing game in critical situations like 3rd and long. In situations like that, the offense has to throw it, and the defense knows it. On offense, you have to be able to make those plays, and on defense, you have to be able to stop them. However, with the multiple looks of defenses, where they bring pressure from unexpected formations and angles, and make late pre-snap adjustments, simply having a stud LT doesn’t guarantee you can protect the QB in that situation.

            None of the guys you mentioned but Clady are primarily known for their passblocking–those guys excel at run blocking, particularly Staley and Davis, and were mid to late 1sts. That’s the sweet spot for drafting T’s, IMO, and it’s something you do in a year where you end up 8-8 or 9-7, not in a once-in-5-to-10 year thing (hopefully) like a top 5 pick. I think you grab guys like Staley or Davis that are mauling run blockers with athletic upside, and teach them the craft of passblocking in the NFL.

            Bryant McKinnie might have been projected to have a great NFL career, but the Ravens didn’t need to fight anyone else to claim him off waivers. He didn’t play more than 18 snaps in a game until week 17 and started his first game in the playoffs. Whatever he was supposed to be was not what he was in Baltimore, and it wasn’t just all the off-field baggage. Furthermore, I didn’t think McKinnie was particularly masterful in the playoffs. Flacco made a lot of great throws into tight windows from a muddied pocket; I think he’s criminally and persistently underrated, even post Superbowl win. I feel like Ray Rice would be getting the credit for the Superbowl win were he not intent on trying to play the role of goat in every game they played.

            Last year, David Diehl protected Eli’s blindside during the Superbowl. Chad Clifton did it for Aaron Rodgers the year before. Bushrod for Brees. Tarik Glenn for Peyton. Marvel Smith for Ben the year before that. I think Glenn might have been a 1st rounder, but he was a very mediocre NFL player during his career. I don’t so much argue that drafting a top 5 tackle hurts your team, it’s just kind of like crossing off another year before you’re a contender again, because the move has so little impact by itself.

          • Token

            Seems like every draft there are these cant miss once in a decade tackles. Its just over hyped

            If your confident in your line coach and you can target a guy who fits what you wanna do, someone you get in the 3rd round isnt going to effect your team much more or less than the precious top 5 guy IMO.

            It gets more ridiculous of a thought when these same people argue for taking top 5 tackles, yet want to take them to play right tackle. So your drafting a “elite” left tackle to play right tackle for the next how ever many years? I dont see the value in that. When is the last time a team took a LT top 5 only to have him play right tackle? Not saying it never happens, I just cant think of a example.

            People seem pretty happy with Peters. He didnt even know he was a offensive lineman coming into the NFL. Wasnt drafted. You need people able to spot guys with the tools. And a line coach that can teach.

          • GoBirds1

            Why is the the FA value of LT about twice that of a saftey? I guess in all your football wisdom you denounce that games, hence championships are won in the trenches.

          • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

            Bad teams stay bad when they pick tackles in the top 5.

            Except the Vikings, Redskins and Seahawks. The trend was busted this year, and it always relied on a flimsy correlation to begin with.

            Teams with no answer at quarterback stay bad. No one suggests that T is a more important position than QB, but it is still a premium position. If the team thinks there’s a franchise QB at #4 instead, that’s great (of course they have to be right, too).

          • Token

            What have any of those teams done? Philly fans are suckers for mediocrity. Some strive for it. Thats not the goal. Examine teams that have won Super Bowls. Thats the goal. The Eagles had absolute studs at both tackle spots for a long time and have zero to show for it.

          • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

            You’re moving the goalposts now. Those teams won 10+ games each last year, so they did not “stay bad.”

            If winning a Super Bowl within a few years is your criteria for validating a draft pick, you’re going to be upset with about 95% of past selections. I shouldn’t even have to go through the list of NFL superstars still in their prime who haven’t “won anything.”

          • Token

            No. The argument is that picking tackles high does little to improve your franchise. History proves that point. Those teams you are naming prove the point. They were nothing until QBs came along. The Vikings are nothing going forward.

          • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

            Once again, we’re not arguing that tackles are more important than QBs, so you’re barking up the wrong tree. With the exception of a few all-timers, you’re not going to find any non-QBs who turned a franchise around.

          • JofreyRice

            Oh come on. Adrian Peterson came back from a knee injury miraculously, and ran for 2000 yards. He’s an all-time player. Percy Harvin kept the team buoyant during the first few weeks while AP warmed up. Matt Kalil, a rookie LT was not the source of delta between their ’11 wins and ’12 wins. Just no way you can convince me of that.

            The Shannahans constructed a triple option offense and grabbed a fantastic franchise QB in the draft. Without RG3, Trent Williams can block every RE he faces into oblivion, and that team isn’t much better than when Rex Grossman is throwing picks to Nate Allen and Kurt Coleman.

            The Seahawks? Really? You think Russell Okung is the difference maker for them? Not years of methodically constructing a stingy, anti-big play defense and stepping in shit with a fantastic young QB in the 3rd round everyone else overlooked? Okung is a piece, but I wouldn’t even put him in the top 3 of why they’ve improved.

            I like 1st round T’s. I don’t like tackles in the top 5. I just don’t think that player, himself, is going to do much to turn a franchise around. In an offense like Kelly’s, focused on running first, and getting the ball out quickly when there is a called pass, I think the idea of a classic franchise LT is even more outmoded.

            But, that’s just my take.

          • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

            You misread me. I never suggested that a player other than a QB (with the exception of a few all-time greats) can turn a franchise around. A typical, solitary All-Pro does not have that much impact.

            But I do resist the idea that you take Tackle off the board because teams that pick them “stay bad.” Not only has it proven untrue, it was a dubious correlation to begin with. Teams “stay bad” because they can’t overcome having the wrong QB. You’ve got a few exceptions across the league, and they are guys like Adrian Peterson and JJ Watt, who are on HOF career tracks.

          • JofreyRice

            Reading your response, I don’t know how else you could have meant it. The idea was asserted that taking a tackle in the top 5 doesn’t do much for your win loss record. You cited 3 teams that happened to take a tackle in the top 5, and have dramatically turned around their W-L record, within the last few years. I’m not sure of another way to interpret your examples other than an assertion of causation–which I reject. Maybe I’m not comprehending something.

            Those tackles are fine players for their teams, and do contribute, but I don’t think they’d be making much of a difference to the W-L column, without a variety of other factors–mostly the QB. Conversely, there are plenty of really good tackles on really bad teams that might wish they had drafted a QB or passrusher, instead.

          • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

            Alright. Teams that draft tackles high are destined to “stay bad”… except when they don’t.

            There are 21 other starters on the team besides QB, and relatively speaking, each one can only “do little” to help the team win.

            I argued against cause/correlation with OL! Entirely! Several times now the only cause/correlation I said was not dubious is bad teams without QBs staying bad teams without QBs.

          • JofreyRice

            Well, obviously drafting a very good tackle doesn’t make you a worse team, it just doesn’t really do much to help you avoid picking in the top 10 again. Like I said, bang for your buck thing, IMO.

          • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

            The best bang for your buck is BPA at any premium position (excluding QB). A good QB can have more impact than even a great player at another position.

            Look at the 49ers. They hit on a bunch of stud 1st rounders and a FA (Willis, Staley, Davis, Justin Smith), but they were still a struggling team until Alex Smith started playing like a good QB.

            You have a huge signal/noise problem when you evaluate any individual pick based on team performance, especially a non-QB.

          • JofreyRice

            So what are the “premium positions” and what makes them “premium”? Below, I said I believe that historically, the “premium” positions are QB, Passrusher, LT, and CB, and that those positions are “premium” because they all affect the passing game. Your classic franchise LT is a guy that’s a dancing bear in pass protection, and keeps the QB clean. The 49ers don’t have that. They have mauling run blockers that knock you backwards on the move.

            Ignoring the fact that Kelly’s mantra is to get the ball out quickly, rather than wait for slow-developing route combinations to develop like Reid did, I just don’t see the dynamic of the defenses best passrusher matched up one-on-one against your LT as being as valid as it used to be. Beyond just moving their best passrusher around the line to get the best matchup, d-coordinators have developed exotic packages where linemen drop into coverage, or blitz from 2 point stances, or have secondary players creep up to the line and blitz late. Even a team like the Seahawks, who were pretty conservative under Gus Bradley, had times where they had Irvin and Clemons on the field on third down, and dropped them both out in coverage and sent LBs and Earl Thomas!

    • Token

      We will see how Chip thinks. I think FF would take a tackle without question if he were here. Does Chip think more outside the traditional box? I would think so. I dont think the line is important enough to take anybody that high to play RT.

      We have discussed this before. Teams have had no problem winning super bowls with average to bad offensive lines. The fact that Kelly wants the ball out so quick makes it even less of a priority. Not to say I dont want guys there. They do need to inject youth. But do it later, not in the first 2 rounds. If the offensive line coach is good the line will be fine. Coaching is extremely important there.

      • Richard Colton

        Hey token. With respect, I disagree. In the old days of the NFL you won by running the ball and stopping the run. In the new NFL, you win by passing the ball and rushing the passer. Without a good line, you can’t do either. Simply getting the ball “out so quick” won’t mask a deficiency. You can’t scheme around a lack of talent – and the Birds need more talent at OT.

      • Psychopathetic1

        Please elaborate and tell us what teams have had no problem winning Super Bowls with bad offensive lines. By that logic we should have been 12-4 instead of 4-12. Sorry to say this, but that has to be the dumbest statement I’ve heard in a very long time. You can’t have a good offense or defense without a good line. It all starts there.

  • http://twitter.com/THEKID_ Mike Jehle

    Let’s just call Watkins what he is…a bust. Never should have been drafted in the first round. You get drafted in the first round…you’re expected to contribute…and fast. Just another example of Andy reaching & then being subborn and sticking with his reach. Can’t we ship him to KC for a mid rounder? :)

  • Guest

    My buddy’s uncle was a coach a Rice before joining the Bills’ staff this offseason. He is a huge fan of the signing for the Eagles and agrees it’s one of the best offseason acquisitions.

    • Jay

      My buddy’s uncle doesn’t care.

  • Terrence

    They talk about Vick TO well Foles wasn’t much better, but I guess Dan Graziano missed those games. Fix the line the TO and the decision making be be fine . When Vick has time he’s as good as anyone. When Rodgers, Brady, Manning don’t have time the TO are put on the OL, only Vick is blamed for every problem the offense had . Only the media . Glad they don’t coach this team.

    • bentheimmigrant

      http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap1000000065149/Cardinals-93-yard-fumble-return
      That play needed better decision making BEFORE the snap. Fix the O-line, and Vick will be marginally better. He may even return to 2010 form. But I was there when the Vikings figured him out, and it took a season and a half before he was able to read and deal with the corner blitz. No thank you.

    • MAC

      Really? As good as anyone huh? He has 2 playoff wins in his entire career and both were in same playoffs!! The guys you listed have many many playoff wins and appearances Also a small difference is they have super bowl’s!! Last year can be blamed on the o line I agree and no one brought up Foles except you, however for his career Vick has struggled hard with turnovers especially fumbling. He also is an injury risk every year. After Vikings and Giants laid blue print on Vick in 2010 he has been struggling to succeed. Last year was the line for both him and Foles for sure. I don’t believe in Foles much either though. I just know after arriving in league 11 years ago Vick has had marginal success and has shown an inability to stay healthy and inability to avoid turnovers. I am not comparing him to Foles bc one is a rookie and 1 is a 10 year vet. Kelly knows Vick is just a fill in until we get a legit QB and that’s why contract is essentially a 1 year deal. Be honest Terrance 2 playoff wins in career is not an elite QB. He has been on different teams and with different talent each year, but he has failed to lead any of them except one to any significant wins. I hope Vick is successful, but his history does not inspire confidence. Look I am a die hard Eagles fan so I hope I am wrong. but I doubt it.

      • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

        Eagles could have cut ties with Vick to sign any of the currently released Quarterbacks in free agency, but consciously chose not to pursue any of the possible free agents.

        Vick would have had no problem and for more money getting signed to another team.

        Vick like any of the recent Eagles quarterbacks has been subject to abuse in the Eagles pocket, combined last year the Eagles quarterbacks were hit by defenders 118 times. If Brady, Manning or any of the other so called elite Quarterbacks were getting taken out 118 times their effectiveness would decline.

        To put a comparison on the quarterback abuse in Philly, Shady McCoy only carried the ball 200 times.

        Counting Vick, Eagles Quarterback have only played 16 games in a regular season once Since the 2003 season, in 2008 McNabb started 16 games in the regular season.

        The Eagles have a history of their Quarterback being drilled and knocked out of games, even with Tra Thomas and Ruyan as Tackles. The issue with Vick is that the Eagles scheme forging ahead with Vick throwing 50 times a game was total wrong for his skill set and requiring him to stay in the pocket and pose no threat to run was asinine. The Eagles after 2010 played into the defense keeping Vick in the pocket.

    • Token

      my god. I cant believe there are people that think like this.

      • MAC

        It amazes me also!! For some reason many fans still think Vick is a legit starter in the NFL and that he could really take a team deep in playoffs with right supporting cast and scheme. He even mentions Rodgers, Brady and Manning as if Vick is in this class of QB. Makes zero sense to me.

        • Token

          I have a real hard time believing actual fans with half a brain think that. There is a group of people who are just Vick fans though. Always have been. I never really understood that either. Guy has never been a particularly good football player. Maybe they like his “swag” or something.

    • GoBirds1

      Foles att/int ration was second lowest ever for a rookie, behind RGIII.

      • atlvickfan

        Easy to do that when none of your passes travel longer than 5 yards.

        • GoBirds1

          You are as dumb as Vick. Vick with 351 attempts last year, had 27 completions for 20+ and 4 for 40+ and int% of 2.8. Foles with limited skill players last year, had 265 attempts, had 24 completions for 20+ and 2 for 40+ and an int% of 1.9. Go back to Georgia and take Vick with you!

  • FMWarner

    I’m fully on board with taking a tackle at #4 if he’s good enough to warrant the spot. I don’t understand how you can value a safety above a tackle.

    When evaluating whether it’s the right thing to put a LT at RT for his first year or two, it’s a good idea to keep in mind that our likely starter at QB this year is Vick – a left hander. If they draft a left tackle at #4 and put him at RT this year, he’s still protecting the blind side.

  • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

    That’s the problem with evaluating a single pick based on team performance, especially a non-QB. You’re diluting the impact of one prospect amongst 22 starters, thereby completely losing the signal in the noise.