Vick: ‘I’m Not Going To Change’

Eagles quarterback Michael VickMichael Vick was holding a blue tarp full of all his belongings during his exit interview back in late December, the one in which he strongly criticized some of his teammates for their lack of effort through a demoralizing 4-12 campaign. His locker room was cleaned out, his patience had been sucked dry, and you got the definite sense that he was ready to put the Eagles in his rear view mirror.

It felt like the end and sounded like the end, but it wasn’t. Instead he is returning to the Eagles for another season, and must play with a lot of the same teammates that he was so frustrated with just a few weeks ago. He addressed that dynamic during an interview with 97.5 The Fanatic Saturday.

“I talked to about 15, 16 of my teammates already,” said Vick.”They know me as a person. They know me as a competitor. I wasn’t pointing the finger at one person. It would have been easy to just point out one group of guys or a couple individuals who I thought could have played better, but I said that including myself.”

Vick has a new attitude about his future with the Eagles due in large part to his positive impression of new head coach Chip Kelly. A large portion of the fan base is skeptical whether Vick, who has had a difficult time staying healthy, will be able to survive if Kelly has him run the read option. The soon-to-be 33-year old was asked what he can do to help ensure that he stays on the field this season.

“Well if you think about what I endured [last season] and how many hits I took, I stayed upright for seven games and took about 180 hits,” he said. “I am going to train the way I train, I’m not going to change anything. I’m going to be who I am and I’m not going to change. I think everybody just has to accept it.  I am going to put in all the hard work to be the best player I can be, but it’s not just about me. It’s about team, it’s about unity, it’s about everybody playing together. That’s the only way we’re  going to win.”

Vick made it clear that while he is appreciative that the Eagles gave him a second chance back in 2009, it was not a factor in the decision to restructure his deal.

“That was five years ago,” said Vick. “We’re talking about winning championships now, putting ourselves in position to win and what makes sense. They know that I’m thankful for what they’ve done for me — I could have parted ways two years ago when I signed the franchise tag — that’s not an issue.”

Listen to the interview here.

  • lib4

    For the love of god STFU, study your play book and stay healthy. Enough! good lord

    • Mr. Magee

      I really like Vick – I think he’s a warrior, and has been exemplary since the eagles signed him. But he’s been unimpressive as a QB, and I’m having a hard time understanding what Kelly sees in him and how he can justifify bringing Vick back at $10M. We’ll see… sure hope it ends well for all parties involved.

      • ClydeSide

        Vick blocks a man without doing a thing. That gives Kelly a numerical advantage at the point of attack. That’s it. Kelly wants to run the ball first: Everything else is a constraint on the defense: bubble screens, flash screens, sweeps, four verticals, and now WCO crossing patterns [ala Shurmur]. If you crowd the box, he’ll hit the screen. Come up to cover the screen, he throws it long, Play it vanilla again, he’ll run it up the gut. Vick’s job is mainly to hand it off. His presence will force a defender to freeze or commit. Vick will hand off and only run when he has open real estate. Vick will actually get hit less doing that than he did staying in the pocket. But remember this : Kelly’s offense is “spread to run.” Kelly WANTS TO RUN THE BALL. That’s 180 degrees from Andy. That’s the confusion among Eagles fans and the media in general. We just can’t seem to comprehend what a running game is anymore. Personally, I can’t wait.

        • JofreyRice

          Sounds like you’re pretty bullish on the whole thing. I have a few concerns. The title of this article is clearly misleading, but there are some areas of Vick’s game that he’s going to have to clean up for this to work; weaknesses that have plagued him his whole career.

          The idea may be to get the ball to the backs, but there will be times when Vick runs. He’s got to protect the ball better than he has in the past, and he’s got to get down rather than take huge hits. He’s a small guy, with small hands, and his history of coughing up the football is a testament to that. He is fragile at this point. If they commit fully to a spread-option attack, you’d have to think Dixon is going to be the primary backup–Foles is just not a spread-option QB. He presents no credible threat to the defense with his feet, and edge players in the NFL will be able to react and chase him down before he could get more than 2 or three yards, without committing someone to him. Kelly may have worked wonders with Dixon at Oregon, but he’s a practice squad player in the NFL right now.

          Also, I’m probably in the minority here, but I’m not sure Shady will be as effective in this kind of ground game as he was in the sprint-draw one. Kelly’s runs are basically IZ/OZ, and seem to do better with one-cut runners. On a typical run, I’d say Shady makes 8 cuts for every one of Alfred Morris’. A lot of Lesean’s really big runs have come on cutbacks, you don’t see a lot of that in successful zone runners. They move smoothly through the play, let the blocks develop, and make split-second decisions based on the way the blocks shape up. I think Lesean is going to have to reinvent his style a little. On the other hand, I think Bryce Brown could actually be more effective in a zone system–provided he cleans up the fumbling.

          Lastly, a zone-read attack is still very new to the league. I’m not sure it’s conclusively borne out as an effective strategy vs. a gimmick at the NFL level. Defensive Coordinators are spending this winter coming up with ways to stop the success that teams like the Redskins, Seahawks, and 49ers had in 2012. I don’t know I’d bet my bottom dollar that the brilliant defensive minds, using NFL caliber talent, won’t come up with a way to break the advantage. I’ve seen it bandied about by some smart football folks that bringing a CB blitz from the strong side in a read-option formation might be very effective, and I thought Dean Pees and the Ravens did a pretty nice job against it in the Superbowl, attacking Kaep no matter what.

          • ClydeSide

            Kelly never ran zone read every play. He has even had the QB under center. He uses 2 tight end, 2 H back, power, man blocking, zone blocking, counters, reverses, draws–everything when needed, Stoutland stated that they did both at Alabama–that’s why he’s in Philly. Darron Thomas ran for only 206 yards the entire year. You are confusing Kelly with Urban Meyer. The foundation is indeed the inside zone–but you can run that without a QB zone read just like Shanahan did in Denver. Same thing with the outside zone. But when Vick DOES the zone read occasionally, it will help set up other stuff–whether that particular play workded or not. They will let Shady be Shady–and let Bryce Brown do the other . As far as being a gimmick: Kelly’s run schemes are based on football principles that go back to Pop Warner and the single wing: deception, blocking, splits, and arithmetic.

          • JofreyRice

            I don’t think I’m confusing anything. If the zone-read is what Kelly is going to do in the pros, Vick will run with the ball based on reads, at times; at those times he’s going to have to do things differently than he’s done them. Vick is not Darron Thomas. He’s not going to run IZ/OZ like Matt Schaub, only keeping the ball to throw it. You are aware the Vick is the alltime rushing leader amongst QBs? You don’t think his running ability had anything to do with him being brought in as the presumptive starter, over Foles?

            The zone-read is a big part of what they did at Oregon; it’s not something they rolled out once every 3 games. Spread zone-read concepts pretty much arrived into the league in force when Chudzinski brought elements of it into Carolina’s playbook to help Cam Newton transition to the pros; some have argued that the reliance on those elements has hampered Newton’s development as a passer. Personally, I feel the RSkins are mishandling Griffin in this same way. Either way, if Kelly plans that kind of attack, it’s still fairly new to the NFL as a base offense. As we can see from this last Superbowl, being able to read the defense, and deliver balls accurately to receivers down the field from a muddied pocket are still very valuable traits to have in this league.

            I’m glad you’re optimistic, and share your excitement at seeing it play out on the field, but to couch his system as some fool proof method for creating numbers advantages and scoring points is a little presumptive.

          • ClydeSide

            Where did I say Kelly’s system was fool proof? If I did that would be presumptuous but my response is preemptive.

          • MAC

            You seem to avoid most of his points and avoid answering or responding to the statements he made about on the plays he does run Vick has to protect the ball better. You pick out one thing he says and focus on it bc you think he either mis represented your stand or you disagree with it. Still ignoring the remaining responses and ignoring anything that mentions what is concerning about Vick in this offense or in general. I feel like you are very defensive about Vick in general or people’s opinion on what’s concerning with Vick in parts of Kelly’s offense.

          • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

            >some have argued that the reliance on those elements has hampered Newton’s development as a passer. Personally, I feel the RSkins are mishandling Griffin in this same way

            Eh? I think the only thing DC mishandled with RGIII was letting him play on an unsound knee.

          • JofreyRice

            I think they exposed him to a lot of hits. I know the knee injury he suffered was on a scramble, not a called run, but I think there is something to be said for cumulative damage absorbed in the season. And it’s not like Shanahan put him out there with that balky knee and protected him–he had called runs IN THAT GAME!

            Griffin & Newton are not guys that HAVE to run as much as they do to be effective. They both have world-class arm talent. Griffin, in particular is leagues ahead of where Mike Vick was as QB coming out of Va Tech. Sure, you love the mismatches they can get deep with what they do with Griffin and Morris in the backfield, but to get that advantage requires running Griffin into the teeth of the D occasionally.

            Maybe the pardadigm of best-case scenario 12 year franchise QB will shift. Maybe the zone-read will proliferate in the NFL, and instead of less mobile pocket guys that are protected into long careers, NFL QBs will have a shorter shelf-life of 6-7 years where they threaten defenses with their arm and legs weekly. I mean, Kaepernick came pretty damn close to making the best case for a zone-read system being able to produce a championship in his 10th game of his career. But the Redskins ponied up a King’s Ransom for Griffin–the kind you do for a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady type player–and then ran him into a lot of situations where he was taking big hits. I question the wisdom of that.

            For Mike Vick, halting his “development” is not really an issue anymore. I do agree that putting him in this kind of system (again, provided Kelly does something with the Oregon system as a base) probably maximizes whatever production Vick’s got left–but if he coughs up the ball at the rate he has, I’m not sure that production is going to be worth much.

          • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

            This is the same offense Vick played in Atlanta when he gained 1000 yds rushing, and Dunn, his tailback gained 1300 yds. This is similar to the Offense he played at Virginia Tech taking them to the National Championship Game, as a true Freshmen.

            It’s obvious some of you don’t understand what constitutes Option in this Football scheme. The base plays are simple, Dive, Slant or Sweep. Kelly told Philly his Offense has 4 basic plays, he means that.

          • GoBirds1

            Maybe Vick should play Australian Rules Football and he can have zero
            passes. How did that 1000 yd. season work out for Vick and the Atlanta
            Falcons. Douche, I mean Dutch, if you had not noticed they restructured
            his contract to a one year deal, clearly a sign of confidence and he
            will be our leader for years to come.

          • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

            Philly will be playing a modified version of Australian Rules Football in 2013 featuring McCoy, Brown and Vick exploiting seams created by the blocking scheme.

            Vick’s playing in Phila, Starting in 2013 whether you agree or not. You whinning doesn’t seem to matter or change what’s on the agenda.

            The Eagles will sprinkle in about 25 passing attempts per game. He’s a better passer in the NFL than the shrills in Phila report, at least Coach Kelly and those in Philly who have played in the NFL agree.

            Looks like none of what you prefer will be part of the Eagles consideration. That says more than enough about your football IQ and, or talent evaluation.

          • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

            >This is the same offense Vick played in Atlanta when he gained 1000 yds rushing, and Dunn, his tailback gained 1300 yds. This is similar to the Offense he played at Virginia Tech taking them to the National Championship Game, as a true Freshmen.

            If Chip Kelly’s past is an indication, this does not project to be the same offense that Vick played in with the Falcons and it is not similar to the Virginia Tech offense.

            Virginia Tech employed a pitch option attack with a balanced I-formation and Vick under center. It was a play side option, not a back side read. It was not a spread offense and it was not an up-tempo offense.

            Jim Mora and Greg Knapp are WCO disciples. They modified that offense extensively to make it run-first for Vick, but it was a WCO in an era when the WCO was conventional in the NFL. The closest similarity to what Chip Kelly does Would be the ZBS of Alex Gibbs. However there are about a dozen ZBS teams in the NFL today. Using ZBS is not particularly unique anymore. The technique can exist within offensive systems that are not remotely similar — such as last year’s Chiefs and Packers. And of course the Eagles already had a zone guy in Howard Mudd.

            The Falcons coaching staff did flirt with adding a zone read wrinkle to the offense back in the Vick days and even visited the college ranks to scout it, but they never committed to it.

          • MAC

            He went 8-8 that year by the way. Awesome huh?

          • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

            I would say it was awesome, and the year prior 2004 Vick gained 902 yards, he lead the falcon against the Eagles for the NFC Championship finishing 11-5……the 8-8 year, Warrick Dunn was hurt and missed part of the season.

        • GoBirds1

          FYI Kelly coaches he does not play. The Giant question mark is can Vick effectively execute, better than Foles or Dixon.

          • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

            Foles isn’t an option Quarterback. This is not going to be an air the ball out, deep down the field passing offense. The Eagles currently don’ t have receivers who can play in traffic they’ll need some with the option. The Eagles receivers don’t catch the ball with defenders fighting them for the ball and position. That has to change.

          • ClydeSide

            Focus on Vick misses the bigger picture.

      • BlindChow

        It’s only $10M if he leads the Eagles to the Super Bowl.

        • MAC

          He gets $7.5 million if on roster week 1 and that is a lot for Vick. He would not have gotten that kind of money on open market in my opinion. It was a limited market to begin with. Also people can say while if Foles is better he will win the job. Sure, they pay a guy $7 million to be in a competition? No he is being given the job essentially and the fact they got Dixon and paid Vick tells me that Kelly is set on getting a mobile QB. People can say we are assuming Kelly will run same system, but we don’t know. Of course we don’t know it’s February and all talk is speculation/assumptions. However getting Dixon and bringing back Vick make a pretty clear statement about Kelly’s system that he wants to implement. It’s just common sense that these moves show that.
          Vick will be starter week 1 unless we trade him (never happening for that cap #) or he blows it big time in camp. This move puts Kelly’s statement about all sacks in his system being QB’s fault, turnovers QB fault, and durability being a big part of what he desires in a QB. These are not Vick’s strong suit and I am not only referring to last 2 years rather his career. Vick will be asked to run ball or at least make decisions on if should keep it or hand it off based on DE. His inability to slide and inability to protect football will be tested. Along with his durability and decision making. All these things should scare any Eagles fan, considering that these are all things that have plagued Vick throughout his career.

          • BlindChow

            Only $3.5M is guaranteed. That’s all he gets week 1. The other $3.5M is salary, and dependent on him being one of the 53 (likely, but not guaranteed, especially if he blows).

          • MAC

            Your right I just read that. Sorry i thought I read an article day after they announced it stating he got 3.5 million in base salary plus 3.5 million signing bonus.

          • GoBirds1

            I agree with your Vick analysis, however the cap# if traded to another team would be south of $4 million. That is why they restructured it the way the did, very marketable to a QB barren market.

          • MAC

            That I didn’t know. While then I do think it’s definitely more trade friendly. Thanks for the info.

  • http://www.insidetheiggles.com/ CalSFro

    “I’m going to be who I am and I’m not going to change. I think everybody just has to accept it”.

    Spoken like a guy who really doesn’t get that he has to fit into the offense, and not the other way around.

    • D3Keith

      That’d be a great comment if it wasn’t taken completely out of context.

      His quarterbacking has to change for the better, or Kelly won’t play him. The whole point of having Vick/Foles/Dixon is so they push one another, and Kelly isn’t locked in to playing any one guy.

      • http://www.insidetheiggles.com/ CalSFro

        What context am i missing? The article is titled, Michael Vick: “I’m not going to change”.

        Your response would have been great if it wasn’t asinine.

        • Andy

          The title also lacks context. If you read the entire story it is clear that he is saying he isn’t going to change the way he trains for the season.

          • GoBirds1

            “I am going to train the way I train, I’m not going to change anything.
            I’m going to be who I am and I’m not going to change. I think everybody
            just has to accept it.” I disagree, read the rest of the passage. I dont think anyone has to accept it except for the Bills or Jags where he will be playing after he is traded.

          • D3Keith

            Thanks for handling that, Andy.

      • MAC

        $7.5 million dollars says Vick is pretty much being given the job.

    • Absecon

      Agreed! The more Vick has spoken over the time we’ve had him, the more I cringe. If he’s not with it enough to know what not to say to the media, is he with it enough to ever win a Super Bowl? As much as you may think there is no relation, think again. How many of the handful of QB’s that have dominated the Super Bowl in the recent past say things in the media that make you wonder about what he$$ the guy is thinking….

  • BrickSquadMonopoly

    Hes talking about how many hits he was taking. Theres no way that he can prepare any better when the O line is playing that horrific. I mean they made the worst defense in NFL history look like the 49ers.

    • UKEagle99

      Oline play was abysmal at times and that’s enough to cause doubt at other times when it’s less poor. We all know that the play calling didn’t help his cause at times. You cant help but think Chip & Mike have discussed this at one of their sit downs, hence the 1 year deal.

      I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt here as unless other facets of the team change/improve we could stick Drew Brees and Aaron Rogers back there and we would still go 4-12.

      • Bdawk20

        You are a fan of this site, I would encourage you to review Sheil’s all-22 analysis of Vick’s games. There are plenty of times where Vick missed wide open receivers when he had no pressure on him. I don’t mean that he missed the throws, he just did not go through his progressions and literally did not see the wide open options. Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers would have made us a better team last year based on that alone. Is it all Vick’s fault? No, but he did not do anything to help the situation, he just made it worse.

      • bsn

        Aaron Rodgers played behind an Oline that was pretty bad too. I don’t think people know how bad his Oline really is. But the reason they don’t look so bad is because he makes them look good. All those games we lost last year by a few points? We would’ve won those of we ha Rodgers as our QB

        • BrickSquadMonopoly

          You add absolutely nothing to the conversation.

          • bsn

            Says the person not adding anything to the conversation.

        • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

          That’s right, Rogers took a beating this year and in those games like the Seahawks game, Rogers was getting nailed and was ineffective. You want to shut down Rogers, hit him, and hit him hard a few times and he folds up like a ice cube in 90 degree heat. Vick isn’t a progression reading Quarterback, and he’s less likely to be one getting hit 180 time in 9 games.

    • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

      180 Hits in 9 Games……. he was basically a tackling dummy. I thought he was concussed long before he was last year. The abuse Eagles Quarterbacks take isn’t unusual. Every Eagles Quarterback over the last 6 years, have been knocked out of games. The Offensive Line has been a failure over the last half decade at the least.

      For get Vick, look at the drastic reduction in production from Shady McCoy after Peters, he dropped from 20 TDs to 5, That’s a perfect picture to see Peters contribution. Peters when healthy drags the rest of the line through games and a season. The Offensive Line as it stands now is not good enough to block for a option scheme.

  • UKEagle99

    Look anyone who watched the games last season knows he was mauled. Lesser men would have been flinching at the sight of an unblocked DL/LB shooting the A gap but give Mike his dues he stood in there.

    Now, he also made his fair share of misakes and he needs to sort that out but last season is by the by, different scheme now, different coach, different mentality.

    The Oline clearly needs to elevate their level of play but I think Deuce alluded to this in his media interview as RB coach, the guys under his charge need to chip and pickup the blitz more consistently. I think Deuce will make that key point along with ball protection.

    I’d be interested to see the stat of Mike’s INTs/Fumbles vs how many were his fault. IE INTs not bouncing off Celeks hands or fumbles being hit from the blindside, I know he fumbled enough by not sliding!

    Overall I wasn’t over the moon to hear we had agreed to terms with Vick, like most I assumed we’d cut our losses, eat a season due to rebuilding and move on but I admire Chip’s commitment to trying to win now whilst implementing his dream…. err I mean team.
    I don’t believe there are many options at QB that provide a significant upgrade without mortgaging our future. Teams have won consistently with average QB play. The only knock on Vick is turnovers and coach Kelly must see that and think he can fix it, IE hand the ball off 60 times!!

    • Myke Lowery

      curious..how many of those free rushing lineman were due to Vicks poor recognition in calling line protection? ie..Arizona goalline fumble for td?

      • Joe Jones

        How does anyone know the difference between poor recognition and Vick 1)recognizing the blitz, 2)making the proper call and 3)line either failing to pick it up or just plain getting beat? Unless the players or coaches say, “it was Mike’s fault” or “the correct call was made and we failed to pick it up”……..and that will never happen.

        • GoBirds1

          Regardless, if the CB is showing blitz undisguised from the slot in the pre-snap, you have to be aware it is coming and to assume that it will be picked up clean is foolish. In that case Vick was clueless. Per Chip Kelly, all sacks are on the QB. Enough of the excuses.

          • Joe Jones

            I wasnt making excuses for Vick. Just saying that its not possible for casual fans to ascertain what the line protection call was. Aaron Rodgers was one of the most sacked QBs in the league this year. Did he not make the right line calls? Did he hold the ball too long? Absolutely, not….his O-line sucked….maybe just maybe, ours did too?
            And no, I’m not suggesting Mike Vick is comparable to Rodgers….the comparison was about the offensive lines.

          • UKEagle99

            I totally agree. We as fans will never likely know that kind of info. As far as I’m concerened if I know Mike Vick’s apparant weaknesses then you can be sure as hell Coach Kelly does. The reason Mike is still around imo is that coach Kelly looked at the tape and thought he could work with him. How that pans out, only time will tell.

          • Joe Jones

            Exactly….I have no attachment to Vick or Foles…..I’m an Eagles fan and whoever is on the team, I want them to succeed. I trust Chip Kelly to make the right decisions. Simple as that.

          • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

            Recognizing the obvious blitz wasn’t Vick’s problem, that’s a complaint some Fans in Philly have been conditioned to repeat. Vick doesn’t have experienced receivers who can identify the blitz, and make adjustments in their routes. The Eagles harp on progression, progression takes time when you don’t have time especially behind a offensive line that can not buy you time. Kelly’s no idiot the tapes show exactly the failures in the scheme Vick played there in Philly

          • GoBirds1

            Did you not see the the Arizona game, the play at the end of the first half? Or the Viking game last year?

          • iActuallyUnderstandFootball

            LeSean McCoy failed to pick up that blitz in the Arizona game…he admitted that he took the wrong assignment. Like some other commenters have said, you don’t know assignments and adjustments for sure because we are not in the game. But at the end of the day, if Vick was so “horrible” with these aspects of the game, he wouldn’t be starting in this league.

          • GoBirds1

            Who said he was starting? My point is, even if it was a blown pick up, he has to aware that it maybe coming and this wasn’t first or last time this has happened.

          • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

            Interesting, how do you know if the CB is coming or up supporting against the run? In Philly the Linemen make those calls, and against defenders one on one, there’s no linemen on the right side of the line capable of playing to a stand still defenders. Teams usually move their best pass rushers to isolate them against the Eagles right side. Rushing the CB from the left, King Dunlap’s side is a gift. The Receiver on that side if he notices the CB Blitzing he should automatically change his route to accommodate his quarterback and that’s not how the Eagles play.

          • Cyrus Robinson

            People keep alluding to that quote. All sacks are on the QB in his system. His system is get the ball out quick, regardless of the situation. In the Eagles’ old system of deep vertical passes, the QB needed somebody to get open on the deeper routes, or for them to hit a soft spot in the zone. Plus if a defensive end comes free in .5 seconds, nobody will be open so all you can do is panic and throw at a covered receiver (which will lead to interceptions), take the sack, or take the intentional grounding. If I’m the coach, I tell him to take the sack.

          • GoBirds1

            Tha’t's why you are not a coach. Its called throw it away, particularly in the redzone it is very easy for the QB to unload the ball without getting intentional grounding while still in the pocket.

        • nicksaenz1

          Didn’t they take the line protection out of Vick’s hands because it was too much for him to deal with at the line (read: not the smartest qb the league was seen)?

          • Joe Jones

            Hey, maybe you’re right….if thats the case then Nick Foles should have no problem beating out a brain-dead, turnover machine, right? If Vick is so bad and so dumb, I wonder why coaches keep him around? Chip Kelly has no ties to Michael Vick and I’m sure if he wanted him gone, he’d be gone..but he’s not….
            I wish Chip Kelly was as smart as all the guys who post on the internet…we’d win a lot more games…..(sarcasm alert…..)

          • nicksaenz1

            Way to take the inferences a little too far. Never called him dumb or brain-dead and I certainly didn’t once discuss the plethora of turnovers. I just asked if Andy and Mudd took the protection calling out of his hands because, literally, he wasn’t the smartest qb the league has seen. The dumbest probably falls somewhere in the Vince Young category (horrible wonderlic score). But you keep assuming that everyone thinks they’re smarter than Chip Kelly and try to be a smart ass about it to make yourself feel a little better. So, to the point, one can only imply that Mike may not be the smartest qb (again, meant in the most literal application of the phrase) based on the protection calling be removed from him and handed to the center, despite the fact that nearly every other qb in the league handles this duty himself or is in the process of learning how to handle this duty in the case of rookies. OBVIOUSLY Chip Kelly sees something in him that he can work with. The rightfully questioning masses are just curious as to what exactly that is.

          • Joe Jones

            Maybe people get tired of inferences regarding intelligence and QBs. In 2010, it seems Mike was smart enough to figure it out….then defenses adjusted. Did it appear the playcalling or scheme adjusted? It appears to me it didnt. “Keep firing….” was the battle cry. Not gonna claim to be a football coach, but when a blitz comes, the WRs have to adjust their routes also…..didnt appear that there were receivers adjusting……but whatever.
            You said you are curious to see what Chip Kelly sees in Vick. I’m curious to see how he intends to use Vick and as Andy would say, “put him in better position.” I doubt this offense is gonna be anything close to the offense we’ve see where every game starts with a play action fake(which nobody bites on), 7 step drop and sack/incompletion. There have been plenty of games where we established the run and threw the ball effectively. Lost in the “Vick sucks” mania is the fact that 2010-12, Vick was 9-1 vs NFC(in games he started and finished) with the only loss being the last game of 2012 vs NYG at MetLife.
            In that stretch, Vick had many games where his passing attempts were around 30, he completed a high % and kept the turnovers to a minimum. I expect Chip to exercise a similar philosophy. Utilizing both McCoy and Brown to establish a run game and throw the ball more effectively. RGIII and Russell Wilson both threw the ball under 30 times a game on average. As a result, both had nice TD/INT ratios with Griffin’s being 20-5…..
            We are entering an exciting stretch of Eagles football……I cant wait. I hope the fans will give it a chance and not waste print space with crap like “but Vick cant read a defense….”

          • nicksaenz1

            It’s not exactly crap when that’s been his knock for some time. 2010 was an abberation as teams didn’t know what to expect, until things got difficult by the end of the season and we lost to the Packers in the playoffs. He’s relied solely on athleticism, even though after 2010 Andy tried to keep him in the pocket more as a means to protect him. I think it became clear after a while that much blame belongs to Andy/Marty as well, since 7 step drops in order for plays to develop weren’t doing it. I thought they did their best with shorter medium plays, which were unfortunately few and far between. It makes it difficult to understand Kelly’s thinking when he says all sacks are on the qb, yet he kept the most sacked qb of the last 2 yrs. Either way, he sees something, so I’ll support it, give it time, and hope Chip is on to something big.

          • Joe Jones

            Your last sentence sums up my thoughts too…Go Birds

          • LOL!

            Give Vick a chance? 34, starting to lose his wheels, and regressed tremendously. The best chance is starting off with a QB that is progressing and showing upside, that is Nick Foles. Vick not being able to adjust the OL, just shows incompetence he was at the QB position, but I guess Eagles fan want another risky season.

          • Joe Jones

            I hope you get your wish…..I just want to win, I dont have an agenda. Chip Kelly described himself as “an equal opportunity scorer.” I feel the same way about winning. But it seems all people on this site wanna do is whine about how Michael Vick sucks. Like I’ve said many times, if he sucks so bad, your boy Nick Foles should have no problem winning the starting job.

          • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

            Telling Vick to stay in the pocket is playing into the hand of defenses in the NFL. The Kid’s never been a pocket QB, he’s pretty accurate with a cannon for an arm, but he’s never been a pocket passer and the Eagles don’t have receivers who could benefit a pocket passing Quarterback. I’ll always respect Andy, but the scheme was totally wrong for the skill position players he had.

        • morganc

          That one is actually easy to answer – if you literally see zero linemen in any position to block an obviously free oncoming rusher, that is clearly on the QB. How can a lineman be responsible if he is no where near the guy he is supposed to block?

    • GoBirds1

      But he isn’t going to change. SO we know what that means, lack of ball security, TOs, inept decisions and negative plays. Coach Kelly will have a short leash on Vick and the Vick Experiment 10.0. Next please…

      • UKEagle99

        And there is the rub… Who is “next please…”?

        I agree with what you are saying. I’m on here giving my opinion, I’m Mike Vick agnostic, I like his play at times, I dislike it at others. I don’t believe it is all his fault though. I don’t think to myself if we had Drew Brees back there Don Schula and the 1970 Dolphins better watch out. To be honest I think the level of play between both of our QBs is marginal. I think we stand more to gain in other areas, namely OLine and D. If we had a rock solid OLine then maybe we could all draw a better comparison. My point here is, everything we know, Chip does too. If calling protection was too much for Mike, my guess is Chip will have someone else do it. Mile threw too many INTs forcing the ball over the middle, lets run LeSean more and keep him off twitter.

        Ultimately as far as I am concerned Chip has a bye year. I’m not expecting miracles, I am expecting to see progress between Sep and Dec. i want to see the man work before I draw any conclusions.

        • GoBirds1

          That’s why we have Foles and Dixon.

      • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

        He should not have to change, he’s going back to the Offense he played in College and with the Falcons under Mora. He should have never been asked to be a pocket quarterback waiting on a pattern to open with a receiving corp that doesn’t play in the middle of the field.

        • GoBirds1

          OK, I guess you and CK think it is acceptable the way he holds the ball in the pocket, and when he scrambles and runs. Vick’s idea of sliding is to dive head first, how is that smart, acceptable or desirable? Do you think the FO is more likely to pull the trigger if a 2nd round is offered for Vick or Foles. Vick in a heartbeat. In cap money to keep Vick around for a while effectively cost them nothing, so why wouldn’t they and let it play out.

          • http://twitter.com/Lez215 Dutch

            The Eagles by Andy Reid’s admission was a big play team that encompasses a quarterback waiting on receivers to get down field and open.

            it’s a day dream and a fantasy put out by the media in Philly that gets people to utter on about Foles being worth a 2nd round draft pick. McNabb wasn’t worth a 2nd.

            Foles is not a option quarterback at any level of organized football. Harping on about that is useless.

    • morganc

      Exactly, teams have won with average QB play. If you go by any metric over the last two seasons, and certainly last season, Vick provided well below average QB play. He was 25th or worse in every stat. Second worst next to Sanchez in turnovers. Also, teams that win with average QB play (which, again, would be an upgrade over what Vick has given us) have outstanding defense, ST, and running games…
      Look, I agree that a lot of the issues last year went beyond Vick / weren’t all his fault, but I, for one, just can’t get over resigning this guy. He is bad, plain and simple.

  • Graham

    Tim you used do when it should be due

    • Tim McManus

      Good catch, Graham. Thanks.

      • Graham

        No Problem, there are very few typos, if any, in these articles. So great proof-reading done by you! The credit of any articles takes a huge hit when there are blatant typos in them… At least with any of the rare typos that are found here, they are fixed in a timely manner, unlike the plethora of typos that don’t get fixed over at NFL.com

  • Chapat

    Ha he just doesn’t get it and never will, just like reading defenses lol

    • Gobirds1

      agreed. He has to change or he will not be playing here or anywhere. Namely take care of the god damn ball. Just like sliding, he refuses to do this and refuses to change. CK will not tolerate his unwillingness or inability to do these basic responsibilities of a QB. Therefore he will be on the bench and the next guy that can , will be playing.

      • MAC

        If CK does realize that then he would not be paying the guy $7 million. CK has fallen into the same trap many other coaches have. They think they can get Vick to his potential. Problem is that Vick thinks he can make a play when there is nothing there. Instead of living to play another down and avoiding negative play he tries to be superman and takes a sack or fumbles. CK will learn the same hard lesson 4 coaches have all learned now, Vick is a drive killer and a coach killer.

        • GoBirds1

          Mac, once again I agree with your Vick analysis, but why are you all hung up about the $7.5 million? Lets say they keep all three QBs, what is the cash and cap # of all three, maybe $9 million, not a big # for the entire QB position. With Vick’s current contract and QB marketplace, you could easily get a 4th or 5th rounder for him. Let it play out, the fewer games we win in ’13, the better off we are to make a big turn around in ’14.

          • MAC

            Sorry I made both comments before you responded to either. I was wrong. You are right it is not a big cap # for all three QB’s or for the QB cap figure in general. I can never root for the Eagles to be bad though. It’s just frustrating bc I was not happy about CK hiring then he went and kept Vick, which totally made this the worst possible situation ever,
            I will let it play out, but at this point in off season that’s all I can do is speculate and my guess is Vick is starter week 1 bc Kelly requires a mobile QB it appears.

  • Austin

    About the hits, not saying if Foles is any better or worse than Vick, but I noticed Foles getting hit a lot less than Vick, and when Foles did get hit he’s big enough that the hits didn’t seem as bad. So it seems to me the majority of the hits Vick takes are on Vick.

    • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

      There’s a lot of truth to that, but it’s not as if Foles was getting chunk plays down the field either. The Eagles were in a pick your poison situation with the O-line play. Foles wound up averaging a very modest 5.5 yards per attempt (less sacks) last year. The object isn’t just avoiding hits — it’s making plays.

    • JofreyRice

      I think you’re correct in saying that. Vick held onto the ball for longer than most other QB’s (maybe the most, I don’t have the stat in front of me). I think the relationship between OLine and QB is more nuanced than people realize, in terms of who makes who.

      There were also times where the line was just atrocious, though, letting free guys in on either QB. I’m thinking specifically of Demetrius Bell’s lack of ability to block on the outside, and all the confusion between Dallas Reynolds & Watkins or whomever. I don’t believe you need a line of Anthony Munoz’ to win in the NFL, but you can’t just let guys come in unimpeded to the QB multiple times per game. No one will win like that.

      You know, as I think about it, I think it’s actually Vick that needs a very good offensive line in front of him, as opposed to Foles. Foles has some major holes in his game, but he does not get as flustered in the pocket as Vick does, and pressure has much less effect on forcing him into frenetic play. With defenders crashing in, Foles can effectively move around in the pocket, or roll out. Vick tends to drop his eyes, and start scrambling around in “playmaker” mode, and loses all sense of the protection, and structure of the play.

  • D3Keith

    Pretty misleading hed.

  • nicksaenz1

    As long as players stop coming here because of the “excitement Mike Vick brings” and we don’t bring in idiots who make comparisons to playing on a “Dream Team” I’ll suck it up and deal with the fact that he may be our QB come September.

  • Ray

    That’s what we’re afraid of – that you won’t change Mike. The 2012 & 2013 Vick was a bottom 5 QB.

  • Nutty professor64

    The negative drumbeat about Michael Vick is getting tiresome and repetitive.Move on folks

    • MAC

      Maybe the Eagles should have moved on. the Vick show is getting tiresome and repetitive. The Eagles are our team and this decision is a big blow to fans that want a winner!

  • BleedingGreen