Mike Mayock Talks Brian Kelly, Jon Gruden

Mike Mayock called into 97.5 The Fanatic Thursday to give his take on Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly.

“He is highly charismatic. He is very much a CEO,” said Mayock. “He understands how to hire people, he understands how to delegate. But when it comes to his offense, he’s the guy. He’s a play-caller, and I’m not so sure I believe in that in the NFL at this point.”

The term “CEO” is interesting, because it was used by Howie Roseman this week when talking about what it takes to do this job.

“Being a head coach in the National Football League is a big job, and you’re a CEO, so you have to have a plan and know what you’re doing in every area,” he said. “You would be surprised at how detailed these people are, when it comes to strength and conditioning  or training staff or equipment or video, they have the answers. It’s very interesting to hear.”

 Jeffrey Lurie seems to like the idea of college coaches who are proving that they can handle everything that goes along with running a successful program.  Lurie also wants someone who offers a  modern and flexible approach to the game, which Mayock seems to think Kelly has.

“In his DNA, he wants to spread the field, he wants to throw the ball 40 or 50 times, he loves the mobile quarterback. He is perfect for where offenses are heading this day,” said Mayock. “However, the reason I like him is he knew the strength of his team this year was his defense. There are a lot of coaches who let ego get in the way of wins and losses, and I thought he managed that offense beautifully.

“I’m really a big believer of this guy. The only downside is he has no familiarity whatsoever with the league and would really have to be paired I believe with a highly-competent general manager who is ready to hit the ground running.”

The takeaway would be that Mayock is unsure if Roseman and Kelly would be a fit.

Asked who the ideal candidate is for the Eagles job, Mayock brought up a familiar name.

“I think you load up the truck, and you get in it with a bunch of money and you drive down and find Jon Gruden,” said Mayock. “There’s nobody more ready to jump in than him. He’s gonna cost you a lot of money, but if I’m the Eagles, I’m camped outside his office because I wanna have a conversation.”

The entire interview is worth a listen.

  • The Guru

    His description of Kelly is exactly what we just had in Reid and is a formula that does not work. You don’t win throwing the ball 40-50 times and you certainly don’t win with a mobile QB. There is ZERO reason to hire Kelly….not to mention, he has no intention of coming. College coaches….want a raise? Just call 1-800-ROSE-MAN

    Just hire Gruden. He’s the best candidate out there and is a proven winner. Every expert on in the NFL says Gruden would be a perfect fit. Which is exactly why he’s never coming here.

    • Johngiam

      This post is so full of win, 1-800-rose-man for a raise..priceless!! And doesn’t it get frustrating to have an owner refuse to give the fanbase what we want? Does it always have to be the exact opposite of what we want, even after all the times that we have proved not to be crazy. Surprise surprise, wide recievers and linebackers do matter in the nfl…I can’t wait til Lurie hires a stinking coach so I don’t even have to think if that turd of an owner for another 4 years!!!!..Yet we will always be stuck wit a Screech as our GM, who learned, literally ALL HE KNOWS ABOUT FOOTBALL from Joe Banner and Andy Reid, scary time to be a birds fan!!

      Hope I live to see the day Lurie sells the franchise

      • laeagle

        Man, you really must be young or naive to say that. Lurie is a top 10 owner compared to the rest of the league. Mike Brown? John York? Snyder? Al Davis? And I say you must be young because for someone who lived through the Tose and Braman days, to hear you say you’d love to see Lurie sell the team makes me want to freaking scream at you.

        • Wilbert M.

          I think Lurie is a great owner. He spends money and stays out of the limelight.

        • LostInChiTown

          Well said, but you forgot Jerry Jones.

        • Bob A

          You and I have had this argument before. While I think johngiam is a little over the top , I also think there’s no chance he’s a top 10 owner. Let’s define terms: If you believe that making your franchise more profitable, or adding green energy or participating in charitable initiatives is enough, then yeah, he’s top 10. But he’s owned them for 19 years now, at some point people need to see the ultimate result from the football operation. He’s failed, even by his own standards to deliver that. I’m not young, I’m in my 50′s, and I’m not all that thrilled with his stewardship, and yes, like it or not, he is the steward for this franchise and that means he answers to the fans. Is he better than Tose or Braman? Well, one guy gambled away the assets of the team and the other purposefully sabotaged the efforts of the head coach by refusing to resign quality players that had been drafted by the coach just so he could pocket the money for himself, so , yeah, Lurie is vastly superior to those 2 guys. But as we’ve discussed before, he doesn’t treat people in his own organization all that well, and by his own measure has failed to deliver the Lombardi, so for now, he’ll have to settle for being better than Braman and Tose.

          • laeagle

            I have to say, judging the quality of leadership based on number of Super Bowls is a flawed metric. The goal of every one of 32 teams is to do that, so there is only, by your definition, 1 team that can consider its season a success each year. A maximum of 10 successful franchises per decade. If you define failure as not winning the Super Bowl, then that’s 31 failures each year, or 310 per decade. That is ridiculous. It’s fine to define success as getting a super bowl, but defining failure as not getting a super bowl is absolutely useless if you’re trying to assess actual performance. Jacksonville and Pittsburgh each won an equal amount of Super Bowls in the 90s (0), so by your limited metric, they are both equivalent failures.
            The goal of an NFL organization is not to win the Super Bowl one year, but to consistently field a quality product. In something as subject to chance as a Super Bowl victory, the best you can do is to set yourself up to field a legit contender for as long a stretch as you possibly can. Considering all of the things outside of your control, that’s playing the odds. That is what every successful team tries to do in one way or another. Some strategies work, some don’t, and not all strategies work all the time. That is why something as black and white as “no super bowl equals FAILURE” is a useless metric.
            All of the stuff about profitability, green, charity, I could frankly care less about. That’s not how I judge Lurie to be a good owner. He is a good owner by my assessment because 1. He will pay money when necessary. When we spend, we spend.
            2. He won’t spend frivolously (see Snyder, Daniel), hurting our chances of fielding a competitor 3. He is thorough in his selection of head coach. I believe that the selection process used for picking Reid was excellent, not just because of the result, but because of what their criteria were and what they used to evaluate candidates. That gave them a successful (by any sane measure) result, in a coach who set franchise records, but eventually needed to move on. 4. He stays out of the way but is not a complete absentee owner. He does not try to interfere like Arthur Blank, Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, etc. If you’re a coach, you don’t need the owner making football decisions for you, and Lurie does not. 5. Despite whatever hearsay you continue to treat as fact about Lurie and his employees, I thought the way he handled Reid’s firing was about as classy as it gets in the NFL. I’ve never seen anything quite like that, where both sides were as honest as possible about both the reasons why the relationship was great as well as the reasons why it had to end. You may still be hung up on what you heard from a guy who knows a guy, but if I’m a coach and I see how Lurie handled Reid, that’s an organization I would love to be a part of.
            You should also consider the fact that you follow the Eagles so closely as perhaps introducing a bias in your assessment of Lurie. On a purely objective scale, can you really name 10 owners who are better owners than him? I can tell you this: statistically speaking, you won’t find 10 teams that have had as much consistent success, by record, over the past 10 years or so as the Eagles. Don’t know if record is the best metric, but it’s not a bad one.

          • Bob A

            I’ll address some of your points: While the math obviously is against any one team winning the SB, the Eagles are in a huge media market and have a huge following that results in the owner being able to do anything he deems necessary to put a competitive product on the field , so failure to win a Supe in Philly isn’t exactly equal to say, failure to win in Jacksonville. Lurie has said that HIS goal is to win multiple titles, so that means he’s failed by his standards. People that follow the Eagles closely DO have a bias against Lurie, and when media members continually write stories about the firings of communications guys on Thanksgiving Day, or firing Tim McDermott on the day Sean McDermott is visiting here with the Panthers, it isn’t hearsay. Yes, he handled Reid’s firing well, but that was because he knew that would be a high profile event. Why do you suppose that you never see articles in the DN or Inky about members of the Sixers, Flyers or Phils that have nothing to do with the sports side being let go? Surely, they fire people like everyone else, right? I would assert that the media writes these articles because they are offended by Lurie and figure the fans would be as well. There’s an old saying that the measure of one’s character is how he treats the ‘lowest’ people on his particular totem pole, so , yeah, he offends me, and I’m apparently not the only one. The record during Reid’s tenure was very good overall, though one could make the argument that Reid deserves more credit for that than anyone else. We’ll see what the new coach delivers, he DID hire Reid, and the process was good last time, Let’s see how this time works out.

          • laeagle

            Of course Reid deserves credit, that’s the point. And Lurie deserves credit for hiring Reid.

            As to the whole question about Lurie’s treatment of his employees, I’ve been following the Eagles for a long time, and I don’t hear much of the stuff you’re talking about at all. Yes, I live in LA, but I have a lot of contacts in Philly, read everything I can possibly get my hands on Eagles-related, etc. You see some things here and there about firings or what not, but frankly, it’s nothing out of the ordinary as far as I’m concerned. Maybe the high profile nature of the Eagles, as the #1 team in the region (it’s still an Eagles town), has something to do with how much press they get? Which I still say isn’t that much compared to the things I’ve read in the papers of every town I’ve lived in, including SF and LA, about every sports franchise. I think you have a bit of confirmation bias going on, where each mention reinforces your preconceived notion that Lurie is a flaming jerk.

            All of that stuff, to me, is not worth my time. Every man who has built a significant business empire is going to act like a jerk to people at some point or another, no matter what. It just happens. that’s not to excuse persistent jerkiness, but to point out that you can isolate instances of behavior in any prominent figure to make them look like a jerk if you want to. Whether Lurie is persistently a jerk or not is nothing you or I have any tangible proof of, quite frankly; we don’t work for him, we don’t know him, all we know is what we hear but we’re not close enough to really know one way or the other. And whether he is or not, as far as I’m concerned unless he’s a complete intractable prick like Snyder, I couldn’t care less. All I see is that he has turned a franchise that used to be a joke into a reputable organization, and as a team owner I like what he does compared to what most of the owners out there do. You can disagree, and that’s fine, and then we’ll just be in disagreement.

          • Bob A

            Let’s agree that even he was the biggest jerk in the world to his employees if he won something, that would be overlooked. He hasn’t,and it isn’t. He is a guy that wrote his thesis on public policy, so when he gets into PR jackpots, I guess it strikes people as stunning. We can agree that if they ever reach the Gold Standard that Lurie often alludes to that he’ll own this town. As one of the older guys, all I can do is hope.Let’s see who he chooses to coach the team next, and BTW I did give him credit for hiring Reid in my last post.

    • Phil Perspective

      There is a difference between a mobile QB and a running one. Aaron Rodgers isn’t Michael Vick, but he’s very mobile.

      • The Guru

        Agreed, but by no means would you classify Rodgers as a “mobile QB”. He’s the epitome of a pocket passer.

        • Phil Perspective

          Have you watched Rodgers play? Have you seen his stats? Tom Brady is a pocket passer. Rodgers doesn’t run a lot, but he is very mobile when he needs to be.

          • The Guru

            I’ve watched him play many times. He can run a little bit, but I don’t agree he’s a mobile QB. Guess it all depends on your definition.

  • http://twitter.com/pjcostello Paul Costello

    I’m not as sold on Gruden as so many others seem to be… aside from one Super Bowl victory with Tony Dungy’s players, he was mediocre at best in Tampa Bay. I don’t know squat about Brian Kelly, but I do challenge people who think that you cannot win by throwing in this league to explain Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady’s success to me.

    • Chad

      There are very few Aaron Rodgers and Tom Bradys.

    • The Guru

      Look at his turnaround in Oakland…

    • MAC

      You have to have a QB that is elite like Rodgers, Brady, manning’s, Brees, or else you will have to try to outscore those guys at some point in the playoffs. It’s not happening unless you got an elite or close to Elite QB. Here in Philly we do not even know who will start next year and the prospects in this draft are not very exciting. So it’s not that you can’t win by pass first team just that finding an Elite QB like the one’s I mentioned is very very difficult. Andy Reiod is a perfect example of a guy who wanted to win that way but kept falling short. If we get a Rodgers or a Brady I am all in on a pass oriented offense. So that being said we do not have that guy and that guy does not appear to be there in the draft. In this league you can’t outscore Brady or Manning, Rodgers without an elite guy like them. So playing great physical defense and running the ball and being smart and disciplined are what gives your team a chance against the Patriots or Packers, You see why many fans are not wanting a coach to come in and tbe pass happy? (Not to mention we just had the most pass happy coach in NFL)

  • Johnathan Birks

    All this Gruden love leaves me scratching my head. He was barely above .500 in seven years at Tampa. Won a Super Bowl, mostly with Dungy’s players, then was all downhill. Thanks but no thanks.

    • laeagle

      I wasn’t into the idea of Gruden but I’m warming to it. Everyone brings up his Tampa days, but he did great things in Oakland, and that was with a far more dysfunctional owner.

      I also find it interesting that Gruden was considering working with Chip Kelly as an OC. After all the Chip Kelly love for all of his supposed innovation, it’s interesting that Gruden went out of his way to meet with him and talk about his schemes. That shows someone who is interested in how the game is evolving, and for someone with a solid background already, that could make for a scary good combination. The innovation of Kelly with the fieryness of Gruden, as well as the NFL experience? And the NFL connections (paging Monte Kiffin)? Like I said, I’m warming to the idea.

      • Myke Lowery

        Gruden took a team with Dungy’s defense and gave it a offense.. much like how Dungy took a team with Manning’s offense and gave it a defense. I am afraid of the ‘no coach has ever won 2 SB with different teams’ stat… but just because it hasn’t happened yet, doesn’t mean it’ll never happen. how many 4 minute miles have been run since the first guy broke that record? heck, AR finally lost a game after a bye week. with all that said.. not quite sure I want chucky on the sidelines

        • laeagle

          I hear you, and again, I’m not a big fan at all of what Chucky did in Tampa. That was a once in a lifetime: you face your former OC in the Super Bowl, his starting center just doesn’t show up, and oh yeah, he doesn’t have the sense to change his signals so you kind of know everything he’s going to do because you wrote the playbook. And I think he ruined them from a talent standpoint over years of running their draft.

          If you can ignore his SB win with that logic (a stretch, I realize), then Chucky falls into the same category of coaches who flamed out and might have learned from their mistakes. It certainly sounds like he’s still a student of the game.

          More importantly, though, is the fact that we all focus on his time in Tampa and forget about what he did in Oakland. He turned a mess of an organization into a consistent, legitimate contender. If Siragusa hadn’t done that cheapshot roll onto a prone Gannon, Oakland might have won that Superbowl instead of Baltimore. Not to mention the tuck rule year. That was a legit championship level team, for multiple years. With Al Davis doing his best to undermine Gruden’s efforts, that’s pretty impressive.

        • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

          Don’t be scared. It’s not a stat, it’s trivia. The subset of coaches who have won Super Bowls and then went on to coach for other teams is so much smaller than the total population of coaches, it’s no wonder that they face longer odds. Head coaching decisions should not be based on trivia.

    • Graham

      He also built a 4-12 Raiders team to be the superbowl contender that he beat for his superbowl…. people always forgetting that

      • 1972

        We’re one of the youngest teams in the league. Grudens not known for grooming young talent,too short of a leash… i dont want him.
        his two receivers at oakland were 40 yrs old with a old ty weatley and charlie garner at rb. and gannon was in his late 30′s… ill pass

        • Mrkraxx

          You guys don’t know diddly poo. Gruden coach. Lovie Dc. If that doesn’t work, you can all call me a liar.

    • Bob A

      I wouldn’t worry about it. One thing we’ve seen in the 19 years since Lurie became the owner is that he fires anyone who would offer up an honest appraisal of what’s wrong with the team, and Gruden is the kind of guy who’s all about the honest appraisal. When he was the OC 15-16 years ago, Lurie probably didn’t care that much for him then, but probably saw him as Ray Rhodes problem. I’d be surprised if he ever got an interview and I’ll also be surprised if Lurie makes a decent choice in a head coach because the quality people out there aren’t going to tell him the things he wants to hear.

    • Bob A

      Don’t worry, it’ll never happen, Lurie is the kind of guy that needs the people around him to tell him what he wants to hear and Gruden is a relentless truth teller. No way they’re a match, Lurie probably didn’t even like him when the was the OC 15 years ago.

    • MAC

      Do not forget folks that Gruden took the Bucs to super bowl (yea I know with Dungy’s team) and played the Raiders the team he built. Also without the “Tuck Rulle” play against Patriots in AFC championship he has 2 super bowl appearances on his resume. Also in reference to his record after the super bowl. While we have all seen stats that show teams after the Super Bowl in many cases struggle due to teams coming after world champs every game that season. Also remember that the Bucs team that won the super bowl had been close for several years and many of there major super stars were starting to regress due to age. Brooks, Sapp, Sidney Rice, McFarland, Keyshawn, Keenan McCardell, etc were all getting past there prime after the Super Bowl. He did struggle to find a QB, but that happens to many quality coaches.

      The thing I always remember about Gruden and the Super Bowl year is that early that year the Eagles beat the Bucs pretty convincingly and it was because Jim Johnson blitzed them and caused a ton of chaos I watched there America’s Game show on NFL network and Sapp was one of the guys interviewed throughout that show. He said after the regular season Eagles game he was on the Bus and was upset bc the Eagles had beaten the Bucs again and was feeling like they would prevent Bucs in the playoffs also. Sapp says Gruden comes over to me on the bus and says Sapp don’t worry. I got all there blitzes and will have an answer for every one of them when we see this team again. Sapp said ok and was skeptical, but when NFC championship came Gruden delivered and handled the Eagles defensive pressure. That shows me a great offensive mind and an ability to adjust against a scheme that most teams in the league could not handle.Just think this guy is a football junkie and it’s well known he does not sleep and is at the office at 4am. He has had few years off now and has studied offenses and defenses in the NFL and will be able to run all different type of scheme’s now that he has had time to study all of them without all the constraints of being a head coach.

      I personally would like Gruden a lot, butt would absolutely love having Gus Bradley and a physical defense with a ground and pound offense. I am not a big fan of Brian Kelly’s because Mayock even said it that Kelly normally likes to be a pass first offense who throws ball 40-50 times a game. That scares me especially since he never has coached at all in the NFL. This city needs a team that they can identify with and a ground and pound offense with a hit you in the mouth defense suites Philly.

  • http://twitter.com/corry_k Corry Henry

    I’m really ready for this search to be done.

    • Wilbert M.

      Amen. Unless they know who their guy is but can’t hire him until their team is out of it, like Bradley or McCoy. Maybe this is all subterfuge so they don’t tip their hand.

  • Rico Suave

    The more this parade of has-beens call for Gruden’s hire, the less we should be interested.

  • asobyature

    First of all Gruden took a Dungy team that lost to us twice in the playoffs and embarrassed us in the NFC championship. Beat his other team in the Superbowl. Had his team dismantled and Still went to the playoffs 4 times. Now that’s Vermiel, Jaws, and Mayock on the Gruden wagon. I’ll take there opinion over any fan, any day.

  • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

    It seems like when everyone wants to knock Jon Gruden, they go to personnel patterns (which he was never solely responsible for), rather than impeach his ability as a coach.

    But with the illustrious Howie Roseman already in place, I thought the Eagles were looking for a head coach, not a GM. Shouldn’t we be judging Gruden primarily based on his coaching credentials?

    -has enough ties to build a great staff
    -extensive knowledge of offenses across the sport
    -QB resume is just as impressive as Mike McCoy’s
    -great leader

    He sounds like a strong candidate to me.

  • Dego Power

    WOW..some people are just ridiculous. How many times am I going to hear or read that a coach is not that great because he won, and a Super Bowl no less, with another coaches players. To me that is a pretty damn good coach. That’s what a coach is supposed to do: get the most out of his players. That’s what made Vince Lombardi the greatest coach of all time: he inherited a team with a horrible record (1 win) and won the NFL championship and multiple Super Bowls with pretty much the same team a couple of years later…look it up. So please stop saying that any coach is not that great because he won with the players that he didn’t draft or sign. That’s the GM’s job, more or less. A coach is there to put his players in the best possible position to succeed through various means, and like or not Gruden did that.

    • Mrkraxx

      Here’s what Jon gruden did in tampa- took a team with promise that kept sucking when it counted and gave them the attitude to dominate.

      Here’s what he did in Oakland- built a total dominant my juggernaut team.

      Here’s what he did in Philly as oc – ran the ball down people’s throats with Ricky watters and went to the 2nd round of the playoffs with Ty deer at qb.

      Any questions?

  • OldBird

    Jeff Lurie could not parlay $200M to $1B wirhout AR filling the seats and winning 140 games. We ran amuck when AR took time off for his first family intervention and Uncle Joe seized power. On that i agree with the worm burner #5. That was the beginning of the end. Eagles are all hat and no cattle. I have been watching for 40 plus years. Last two owners know one thing – profit.

  • Mr. Magee

    I vote NO on Gruden and Kelly, but why is Mayock saying how great Kelly is in one breadth, and then saying he doesn’t fit the NFL because he’s a play caller in the other? Confusing.

    Is Mayock also saying that Roseman is not a sufficiently competent GM?? Certainly an interesting choice of words on his part…

  • dislikedisqus

    This was a good piece. I agree with everyhing Mayock said about Kelly. I would add that (1) on D, the team is going to be torn apart anyway and lots of new Players fresh out of college will come in and (2) on O, Foles is jusst one year out of college so the college to pro thing isn’t as big an issue as it might be at other places. if he and Foles click things will be fine. Within a couple of years you’ll know what you’ve got. It’s hard to see he is any bigger risk than a coordinator getting his first hc job. The real issue is do you want the safety of a veteran hc like Gruden or Smith instead of a younger first time hc.

  • Philly Insomniac

    Let’s be real here, if we want to see our youngster #9 flourish…You get Jon Gruden! Chuckie has had his head buried in film ever since he stopped coaching, he has the attitude to engage our sometimes lifeless players. This is a great idea on so many levels. We win 10 games next season with Jon Gruden in Foles ear…Now we just have to draft well.

  • JofreyRice

    Wow, mugging on the sidelines really has a lasting effect, I guess. The guy is on MNF salivating over every player on each team, weekly. Read anything by Mike Lombardi (NFL Network Analyst, rumored to be the favorite for Cleveland’s GM job) about how Gruden is incredibly disingenuous as a person and fickle with his players, to a fault. How about how he capped Chris Simms’ head up about him being the starter when he returned, while trying to secretly release him at the same time? Or how he forced Rick McKay, the architect of that TB Superbowl roster, out of a job in 2003 b/c of a power struggle? Bucs WR Michael Clayton called the guy a “turncoat”, Simeon Rice called him a “scumbag”, Shaun King called him a “liar”. This isn’t just one disgruntled jerk like Keyshawn (who also hated Gruden, saying he “messed with his psyche”) it’s multiple guys. Couple that with a very underwhelming coaching record after the Superbowl, and how he captained their big crappy boat into mediocrity–no thanks!

    Why isn’t anyone obsessed w/Gruden banging the table for Brian Billick? Better record, won a Superbowl, etc. Better resume, just looking at wins/losses and the postseason, actually. Oh wait, you want to actually look at HOW he won the Superbowl? Wait, does he make “mean” faces? Does he scream?

    http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/jon-gruden-is-the-larry-brown-of-the-nfl/

    http://www.aolnews.com/2009/01/27/simeon-rice-becomes-latest-player-to-pile-on-jon-gruden/

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-05-04/sports/nflinsider04_1_buc-place-simms-splenectomy

    http://www2.tbo.com/news/opinion/2008/dec/16/sp-gruden-galloway-episode-makes-for-low-comedy-ar-115488/

  • Emilio

    Let’s stop wasting time and get a program going. The name of the program is Jon Gruden.