Coaching Buzz: Sean Payton Could ‘Open It Up’

The New Orleans Saints and Sean Payton are not close to agreeing to a new deal, according to Jay Glazer of FoxSports.com.

“People thought this is between the Saints and Dallas,” Glazer said on Fox’s pregame show, per NFL.com. “If this thing doesn’t get done … (Payton) is going to open it up everywhere. He’s really not going to limit his options.”

And this from SI.com’s Peter King:

I think, as I’ve thought since news of the canceled Sean Payton contract in New Orleans broke, that the longer the stalemate lasted, the bigger the chance Payton would leave. And maybe Jay Glazer’s strong report Sunday — that Payton isn’t close to a deal and will not limit his options to New Orleans and Dallas if a deal isn’t reached soon — is posturing, but keep in mind that Glazer is closer than anyone in the media to Payton. He knows.

Of course, part of this is leverage. Even if Payton is set on staying in New Orleans, he wants to get the best deal possible. But if he feels like he can maximize his value elsewhere, who knows how this thing could play out?

Meanwhile, Tim wrote about Nick Saban over the weekend. The National Football Post had this to add:

Nick Saban probably isn’t going to make the jump to the NFL. He’s comfortable being a college head coach and he has a good situation at Alabama. But the NFL is going to come knocking. And, from what we are hearing, Saban will listen. Like he always does. They say there you can buy anything for the right price, and people in the league believe you can definitely buy Saban if you want to pay a ridiculous price.

Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com seems to be hearing the same things:

I can’t find anyone in the NFL who knows Alabama’s Nick Saban well and believes he’ll return to the pros next season. No one. Which means he will.

And finally, ESPN’s Ron Jaworski doesn’t think Chip Kelly’s offensive system translates to the NFL, although he can appreciate elements of it.

On the whole, I have doubts about whether Kelly’s offense can translate 100 percent to the NFL with a high degree of success. The injury risk to QBs is too great. The pregame prep by opponents is too good. The talent gap between teams is too small. But hyperspeed? Now, that sounds like the future to me.

As I wrote last week, if you target Kelly, you’re doing so because you believe he’s a smart football mind who can adapt to the NFL. You don’t hire him simply to bring his scheme to the professional level.

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  • The Guru

    He’d be my # 1 choice. But it’s going to cost Lurie $8-10 million/year to get him. If he’s serious about winning a title, does he open up the man purse?

    • Run Eagles Run

      Is that what your high school football experience tell you Matt Jacobs? Way to go out on a limb. Payton is pretty under the radar, risky choice but hey- you know high school football, so I wont question you.

      • JohnGiam

        hahah Peyton is never signing on with howie on board. Same goes with gruden and cowher!

    • xlGmanlx

      Good thing that isn’t the one that counts. Repeat after me, zero coaches in the history of the superbowl has won it for another team. So if the count is greater than zero, we don’t want him, keep your man purse in your satchel.

      • southy

        If it hasn’t happened yet, it will never happen, right?

        • xlGmanlx

          No, you’re right, we should hope that payton is better than 0/46.

          • southy

            And how many head coaches, generally, over the last 46 years have never won a SB at all? Hell, the Eagles have never won a SB. I guess every new head coaching candidate should make sure he winds up somewhere else because no one’s ever won a SB with the Eagles and it’s therefore impossible to do so.

            If you’ve got some crack analysis of why coaches are incapable of moving to another team and having success, I’ve yet to see it. At the moment, all you’ve got is that it hasn’t been done before, which is a nice stat but doesn’t say ANYTHING about the probability that it happens in the future.

          • xlGmanlx

            No coach who has won a superbowl for one team has won it for another, ever. I’m well aware that there are way more head coaches that have not won then have, but why even pick some one who statistics have proven will not with the SB, not for the iggs, not for anyone? I don’t recall the specifics, but stats also show that they generally win within something like the first 7 years, with the only exception I could think of is Cowher to that. Otherwise, the profile is first time with team, never won the SB, wins it within the first 5-7 years. If they are outside of that, time to move on.

      • The Guru

        You want David Shaw. Enough said about your football acumen!

        • xlGmanlx

          Says the genius who wants someone who statistically in the history of the super bowl era will never bring the Lombardi trophy to philly and yet you’re the one mocking football acumen? I’m sure you rushed for 4 TD’s in one game at polk high, run along.

          • The Guru

            Wonder how many people would choose Shaw over Sean Payton. That would be zero. Want to keep trying though pumpkin?

          • xlGmanlx

            Those who pick payton are going to be 0/47, guess we know what camp you belong to, bagels!

          • The Guru

            Just hire Bruce Arians and call it a day! Hahahahahaha

          • xlGmanlx

            None of the people who know what they are talking about. I guess the shift is over at the factory and bagels over here is a six pack into his zima.

          • The Guru

            Bruce Arians? Seriously? In all seriousness, that was just a joke right? Please tell me it was a joke….for your sake.

      • FMWarner

        That’s true, but plenty of coaches have reached the Super Bowl with two different teams. Dan Reeves, Bill Parcells, Mike Holmgren, Don Shula, and none other than Dick Vermeil have all accomplished this. That’s enough for me to say that your stat would not be a factor in my decision to hire a coach. I don’t think it indicates anything statistically meaningful.

        • xlGmanlx

          So to attempt to disprove my statement you prove it? You could roll out as many names as you like, the math stays the same, 0/46

          • FMWarner

            You should really not use the word “math”. You don’t have any idea what it means.

          • xlGmanlx

            Feel free to provide any of your “math” that refutes the following statement:
            In the superbowl era, no coach has won a superbowl and gone on to another team and won another superbowl. Currently on planet earth the math reads like this 0/46 for 0% historical.

          • Gentleman James

            xlGmanlx, the term ‘sample size’ has clearly never made it into your
            understanding of statistics. 46? that means absolutely nothing from a
            mathematical perspective.
            i’m not saying we should automatically
            hire payton, but your justification for dismissing him out of hand is
            beyond absurd. the man can coach.

          • xlGmanlx

            46 superbowls have been played. This year will be 47, but thanks for playing. Whether or not he is a good coach, which he is great, statistics show he won’t win us the Lombardi. If that is the case, why even entertain the thought? So we can have more years of “success” like the Reid era without the only meaningful qualifier?

          • FMWarner

            Fine, I will. First of all, we’re talking about coaches who have won the Super Bowl and subsequently been hired by another team. Coaches who have won the Super Bowl and then been hired by a different team did not coach in all 46 Super Bowls, so they’re NOT 0/46. That number doesn’t have anything to do with this conversation. There are 10 coaches who have won the Super Bowl and been subsequently hired by another team. The number you’re ACTUALLY looking for is 0/10. Of these coaches, two reached the Super Bowl but lost.

            Do you know what “sample size” means? Just because something has failed to happen 10 times does not in any fashion mean it’s been “statistically proven that it will never happen”. That is, to quote Gentleman James, beyond absurd. If you shoot a free throw ten times and don’t make a single one, does that mean it is proven you will never make a free throw? That is essentially what you’re saying.

            Maybe I’m crazy, but I think if you’re going to hire someone for a job, the fact that they have accomplished the goal you’re hiring them to do is a positive, not a negative.

          • xlGmanlx

            Way to change the goal post on that one, nice touch. I will call you crazy because if the end game is to find a coach to win the SB, not only is that extremely hard since not even 46 different HC’s have won a SB The percentages of winning SB coaches are an extreme minority compared to every HC that has coached in the SB era (sample size). So not only finding a coach to win it just once is a tough call, but at least there there are 46 success stories in the the history of the NFL. Of all the HC’s ever hired, only 10 (according to you) have managed to win a SB and be hired by another team and NONE of them have ever won it again. So yes it is crazy to want the Paytons, the Coughlins, the McCarthy’s or whoever else you want to list, because your chances of finding a complete stranger to do it are more successful then any sample size you can produce, because it has yet to happen. Throw out whatever terms you want, but they are still greater than zero, which is what position you are trying to argue.

  • Derek

    Would love Payton to be the guy

  • Jerry from Flawda

    Dude, if payton’s available, you gotta get him. And to address the issue with philly maybe not being an attractive option… What coach wouldn’t want to take a shot at becoming a legend? The man that brings it home will be the most revered figure in the history of philly. Right up there with the founding fathers – haha (and I’m kinda serious)!

  • xlGmanlx

    Throw some money at David Shaw please. I guess we should all believe a local reporter from BD that states he wasn’t interested?

    • Johngiam

      He is probably the only college coach I would want, but I doubt he is leaving Stanford

      • xlGmanlx

        That is what I am saying, only one report during the Stanford vs Ducks said he doesn’t have plans to leave there. He should do himself a favor and at least hear what the NFL has to offer. College has shown, doesn’t matter, they will take you back. Serious DI football = serious TV/NCAA/etc $$$

        • JohnGiam

          rather have Wisenhunt…or an assistant from the niners, cardinals Dcoordinator, bengals offensive coordinator, steelers or texans assistant coach”…… I would hire any of them before I throw money at any college coach. …I would interview shaw, but I would never grant either Saban or chip Kelly an interview!

  • Johngiam

    I ONT WANT ANY COLLEGE COACH. And an established Super Bowl winner like Peyton, gruden or cowh would NEVER SIGN ON TO WORK WITH ROSEMAN!

    Get me a hot young nfl assistant who is in the loop and can put together a good young staff of hot assistants the way Reid did 14 years ago!

    The only person I would hire, who we have a shot at realistically getting would be Wisenhunt if he is fired!..my number one alistic choice is probably Wisenhunt if fired..if I can’t get him then get me a hungry nfl assistant!

  • xlGmanlx

    How is Bruce Airens not even on anyone’s radar? Watching the colts games when they are on, they looked like a well coached team.