Coaching Buzz: The Odds On Gruden

Ask not what Jon Gruden can do for you. Ask what you can do for Jon Gruden.

That is the mindset that needs to be adopted if you want to get a realistic feel for the odds of the Eagles landing Chucky.

Let’s start out by saying those odds are very small. Consider:

Gruden is a 49-year-old mega-millionaire with one of the more desirable jobs in the industry. His work schedule is manageable, his paycheck is exorbitant and his lifestyle is, well, kick-ass.

To cash all that in for the  all-consuming, sleep-in-your-office, round-the-clock grind that is a head coach’s reality would take “an absolutely unbelievable package” from what I have been told.

That means a truckload of money, a high-end quarterback, a dynamite franchise, the works.

The news on Friday is that he turned down the University of Tennessee.

“Coach Gruden has let us know that he’s not interested, and we’re pursuing other candidates,” a Tennessee official said.

He would be king in Knoxville, but he said, “No thanks.” It’s not the first time he has turned down a job since heading to the broadcast booth in 2008, and it won’t be the last.

Of the requirements listed above, the Eagles have the money. You can argue, despite the recent slide, that they have one of the better franchises in the league. But they definitely don’t have stability at quarterback.

Whoever takes this team over from Andy Reid will have his hands full. There is some talent, but it is dysfunctional talent at the moment. A lot of ails can be masked with exceptional quarterback play, but where will that come from?

There are headaches ahead, maybe some more losing seasons. The next man up will have to be motivated to push this team back up the steep incline, inch by inch. As Gruden looks out at the landscape from his plush digs up high in the booth, there is little chance he will gaze upon Philadelphia and find it desirable enough to make the descent back into the trenches.

 

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  • http://julianivey.com/ Julian Ivey

    I really don’t want Jon Gruden. I’d rather have a defensive coach because they seem to be more successful over the last couple of decades. I wouldn’t mind Jay Gruden, Brian Kelly or Kirk Ferentz. (insert angry mob here)

    • JohnGiam

      I want Jay Gruden!!! Julian (Im a defensive minded fan) but I have always been under the impression that when you sign a defensive coordinator as your headcoach, that he abandons defensive duties and focuses on the offense (someone correct me if Im wrong please). So I would prefer a young coach with a petigree like Jay Gruden, who is coaching one of the hottest young offenses in the league right now and has a 1st hand look at what a young franchise qb/WR tandem should look like. Im assuming he is popluar in the coaching ranks due to his pedigree and knows all the hot young assistance and would be able to assemble a strong coaching staff!
      hey McManus: any chance you could envision Manti Teo wearing an eagles jersey, lining up at Sam, with Ryans in the middle and Kendricks at the WIL. Instantly changing our culture on defense, and having a nasty young LB core as our foundation to Build upon? PS: please say YES!!! lol
      Hey, cant a man who hasnt witness a win since september dream?

      • Zach Reese

        I can’t believe I’m saying this, but LB is low on our list of needs. Sure, we need another OLB (either a playmaking WILL or a SAM with cover skills that would allow us to move over Kendricks like you said), but we rarely utilize 3 LBs as it is. A look at the snap counts will show that Akeem Jordan is on the field less than half of the plays each week (and that’s usually against offenses with leads that are content with running the ball and eating clock).

        If we use our 1st Round Pick on a defensive player, bank on it being a CB. Our secondary is completely depleted. Depending upon our new coaches thoughts on DRC, we could need 2 starting CBs next season. Our safeties also need upgraded. As much as Teo would bring great intangibles to this team, he’s a luxury we can’t afford right now.

        • The Guru

          I agree, but this team needs so much help that “best player available” actually fits this draft. If Teo is the best player on the board, I’m ok with it. Then again, I’d be up for trading down and collecting more picks since we have about 15 positions that need fixed.

          • JohnGiam

            We need a player that will give this TIN MAN defense a heart transplant. change the culture from day 1. we have so many holes, that I dont care what position on defense that this player plays…in this years draft, that player happens to be Manti Teo, and he happens to play Linebacker! so go Get me a furoscious young leader who will keep everyone in line,Bring it on every single play, cover, tackle, and blitz!!
            Dont assume that the next coaches will use 3 LB as little as the eagles did!
            we need a great CB, 2 great safeties, another great tackle, and a Linebacker.,..but with the top 5 pick, you need to get more then a great player who fits a need…You need to get a FRANCHISE CHANGER! Thats Teo man!

          • aub32

            Huh. I hope that’s an exaggeration. I definitely don’t see that many holes on this team.

          • The Guru

            Well then you don’t know football….

  • Bob A

    Gruden is not coming here. I think that Lurie will find that Howie Roseman is a deal breaker for pretty much any established NFL coach. The next Eagles coach is likely a guy we’ve never heard of.

    • RIP Worms

      Please explain.

    • laeagle

      Agree, please explain. I don’t get the hate on Howie. He’s done his job, which is to get the players the coaches want. The coaches are the ones who need to coach them. I realize his first draft wasn’t stellar but the last one was pretty good. And please don’t make this a “he’s not a football guy” thing; that’s a lame excuse. Neither was Ron Wolf, among countless other effective GMs. I may be wrong, but you sound like a lot of Philly fans who just have this irrational anger and direct it like a flamethrower at everyone in the current regime, regardless of whether it’s warranted or not. “Reid sucks”, “Howie’s a joke”, “Lurie’s cheap”, these are all anger-based statements that don’t have much connection to the reality of the situation. Is the team underperforming? Yes. Does it suck? Double yes. But let’s try to be honest about what’s actually wrong instead of just whining that everyone’s a bum.

      • The Guru

        Want to know the hate on Howie? Earl Thomas is a two time all pro. JPP is the best DE in football. Brandon Graham can’t even start without cutting the tribal tat douche…

        • laeagle

          Hindsight is 20/20. There were a lot of other teams that picked before JPP. He was a risk/reward pick, and it’s understandable why teams didn’t take the risk. Sorry, but hindsight is 20/20, and cherry picking like that doesn’t prove that someone’s a bad GM. I’m not saying Howie is the best in the world, but to crap all over him, like he’s the problem, is ludicrous. His job was to bring a lot of talent to the organization and they did that. Didn’t work out for various reasons. Maybe they need to look for more than just high-profile talent, and based on Howie’s self scouting comments, I have at least some faith (maybe not 100%) that they will.

          Sorry, but if you’re willing to fire Howie because of the JPP pick, I’m really glad you’re not the owner of the team. It’s exactly that kind of small-minded, anger-based snap judgement that drives me crazy. Look at the big picture, within the context of the league and what other teams are doing, and try to make an honest assessment about what’s wrong. That’s a much more interesting discussion than “Howie sucks”.

          And the notion that Howie would be a deal breaker for any coach is based on pure conjecture, nothing else. Maybe a coach that wanted to be a GM, like what Holmgren was, would have a problem, but that has nothing to do with Howie. This kind of irrational hatred towards him is not found in the league at large or the media outside of the hacks at Philly.com, and for a reason: it’s pretty unwarranted, at least in degree.

          • southy

            not to mention, at the moment, 7th round pick Bryce Brown > 1st round pick David Wilson. maybe Jerry Reese needs to be removed too.

          • The Guru

            First, I would have passed on JPP too. Too many question marks. I’m just telling you why people think Roseman is a joke.

            Passing on Earl Thomas is inexcusable. He was as “can’t miss” as you get. And after watching a season of Quintin Demps/Macho Harris….it was a no brainer pick. No 20-20 in that.

            Put yourself in Bill Cowher or John Gruden’s shoes. Would you come to this team with Roseman picking the players? Absolutely not. You’d want to pick the players yourself or have a guy who is proven doing it. You’re certainly not tying your fate to Roseman.

          • laeagle

            Makes sense to a degree, but that’s not anything to do with Howie specifically. Those guys won’t want anyone picking the players except them. They’d want that “czar” title. Not all coaches are like that. Even Reid picked players with Howie, Modrak, etc. Cowher had his GM to work with (can’t remember the guys name but he’s good at talent eval). So any beef they might have would be with any established GM, and even that’s not necessarily guaranteed. I think the super high profile coaches like Gruden and Cower will want that czar title, but other known names might not. Either way, I think it would be a mistake; when was the last time a coach with complete control did so well?

            What I have a problem with is this notion that Howie in particular would be the problem, as if it’s somehow known around the league that he’s a pariah. That’s just not true, outside of the opinions of some angry Eagles fans who aren’t thinking straight. I get why they’re angry, but that doesn’t make their hatred any more reasonable or correct.

            I still remember hoping, dreaming, that somehow the Eagles were going to trade up to get Eric Berry in that draft. That was more disappointing to me than not getting Earl Thomas. I thought Thomas had too many questions marks. I still blame the Graham pick on picking for need, even though I don’t think it was a terrible pick. We needed DL (this was before Babin & Jenkins), and that influenced things unduly. BPA, maybe we get Thomas. I know that to Howie’s credit, they shifted their strategy for 2012 and I think it worked out great.

          • The Guru

            Let me ask this though…..why do you think Roseman is NOT part of the problem? Since he’s been in the picture, they went outside of anything Reid had done the previous 11 years. The free agent frenzy is nothing that Reid has ever done. The 2010 draft was not good at all. The 2011 draft might be the worst draft EVER by a team. The 2012 draft was good (so far)….

            No one really knows how much was Andy vs. Howie in personnel matters….but he certainly didn’t give a whole lot of optimism going forward in these 3 years.

          • laeagle

            Maybe I wrong, but I think that how things were handled by Banner was worse than how they’ve been handled by Roseman. Particularly wrt veteran contracts and landing free agents. As for the draft, I think the change to move towards riskier guys has paid off. Damaris Johnson and Bryce Brown are two examples from this recent class. I think you’re being a bit harsh on 2011. It wasn’t a great draft at the top but we got some decent players in lower rounds. We’ve certainly had worse drafts since I’ve been a fan, even in the Reid era.

            I guess I’m cautiously optimistic about Howie. I think with another coach, he’d be able to work wonders. And that’s not a knock on Reid; I think 1999 Reid and Howie would have worked some wonders (imagine if we never lost Trott, for example). If nothing else, you can see distinct improvement year to year with what Howie has done, which is all you can ask for with such a small sample size.

          • The Guru

            Harsh? The best player in the draft was the kicker! Kelce could easily be a Mudd “system” guy. Watkins is a HUGE bust. Jaiquawn Jarret is already out of the league. Marsh can’t even play the nickel corner and won’t be in the league next year. The fact that Casey Matthews has a job is beyond me. He’s a major reason the special teams is awful. Dion Lewis? Vandervelde? Rolle? Not sure where you see anything positive at all.

            The 2012 draft was excellent. But was that because Reid took it over knowing this was his make or break season?

          • Dynamite

            Banner was cheap to a fault, but I’d take that over the current state of the team. Hopefully Roseman can retain most of Banner’s principles while tweaking them to spend a little more on depth.

          • laeagle

            It all comes down to the fact that I don’t think that Howie or banner are as responsible for the past success or recent failure of the team as Reid is. Love the guy but things have kind of fallen apart. Blaming Reid for what’s happening is why I’m not so keen on thrashing Howie. He wasn’t responsible for the Juan debacle, nor was he responsible for the lack of accountability in the locker room.

          • Dynamite

            Agreed for the most part. Banner was hated for not having allegiance to beloved veterans, but having that accountant around who stuck to the numbers kept us out of bad cap situations.

            I think Reid slowly but surely pushed him out, and now we are in the current situation, where we know more about how much it costs to get out of current contracts then we ought to.

            I’ll be curious to see exactly how big Roseman’s role is moving forward, as I agree that Reid has been most, if not all, of the strings lately.

          • Dynamite

            pulling most*

          • laeagle

            I think the thing about Banner wasn’t just that he was good at working the numbers. He was good at figuring out, more so than anyone before him in the league, how the numbers could be worked. Banner sort of cracked the code of the previous CBA. You’ll notice that there aren’t nearly as many teams in cap trouble as there were back in 1999 because what Banner figured out then has since become common knowledge. So, his worth diminished as his skillset was commoditized. Once that happened, the other stuff was probably harder to take.

          • FMWarner

            You’re right that no one really knows how much was Andy vs. Howie. That’s why laeagle is saying it’s wrong to bury Howie. Lurie knows more than we do about how the duties were divided and who picked whom. And Lurie also knows as well as all of us do how these drafts turned out. So if he’s keeping Howie, I have to trust that either 1. Howie was not as responsible as Reid for the bad drafts; or 2. Howie handles the non-player evaluation part of the GM job well as Banner did, and Lurie plans to hire a coach with personnel responsibilities.

          • laeagle

            Yup, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

            And good discussion! Much more interesting than peeing all over everyone!

          • Bob A

            The problem is that when Reid gets the hook in a few weeks , Lurie and Roseman will try to make the case that all of the good decisions were Rosemans and all of the bad ones Andy’s. They’ve already started doing that when “front office sources” said it was a miscalculation to fire Castillo and make Bowles the DC( they were right, but that’s not the point). We’ll never really know how many bad decisions over the last few years were Rosemans, because they won’t tell us. We’ll have to see how Rosemans future moves go to make an evaluation.

          • aub32

            Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t we go to the SB after picking up TO and Jevon Kearse. I am pretty sure they were big names brought in from outside the organization. I’m sure you hated those moves too though, since it wasn’t how Reid did things in the previous years.

          • The Guru

            1 year out of 14 genius. And Kearse was a huge mistake

          • Brian Gavin

            Not that I disagree with all of the things “laeagle” has written, but man, reading those posts honestly has me thinking Howie wrote those himself! Those arguments on his behalf are just a little too well articulated and the grammar is too good for what I typically see on these boards. lol…I’m with you Howie, um, I mean “laeagle”…I don’t think it’s fair to blame you, I mean him, either.

          • laeagle

            Funny, I’ve been accused of being Lurie on this site before. Maybe I can get the trifecta if someone thinks I’m Reid? Clock is ticking to get that one….

          • Bob A

            Nah, you can’t be Andy; he’d never be as easy as you on Howie.

          • Bob A

            Cowhers GM was Tom Donahoe. It may interest you to know that he works for the Eagles now, under Roseman.

          • Anebriated

            The two coaches you used in your example are two coaches who would seek more of the control for themselves anyway. In that respect Howie might be the PERFECT GM for those guys as he is already used to the coach calling the shots. To me, the problem would be to make Howie the all encompassing “GM” and then to bring in a coach like Chip Kelly who has no NFL experience.

          • The Guru

            If Roseman’s picking the coach, do you think he’s going to give up power by choosing Cowher or Gruden?

          • Elias Rappaport

            Roseman doesn’t pick the coach. As with every team it’s a collective effort. That means Roseman, Lurie, and others close to the team.

          • meh1988

            Andy would never take a Safety in the first round. It’s not part of his philosophy. And as he’s stated a million times, he has final say over personnel decisions.

            Can’t pin the Thomas thing on Howie really.

          • The Guru

            I disagree….everything I read said Graham was Howie’s pick. Howie chose him because of the senior bowl practices….

          • Elias Rappaport

            The final say is always Andy. Howie may have really like him, but Andy can always say “NO!” and then draft Thomas himself.

          • The Guru

            And you know this because you believe what they tell you?

          • Loke2112

            Yeah which Reid didnt bother to attend…

          • aub32

            Graham was also productive in college. He had pretty good stats. It wasn’t just the senior bowl.

          • aub32

            That’s still just one pick and one position. A GM can’t think of going into a draft thinking of only one position. In 2010 we also needed a DE opposite of Cole. The combination of getting a good DE and safety ( yes, I know Nate Allen didn’t work out) might have looked better at the time. Howie only has 3 drafts under his belt. Graham is showing potential. Nate Allen has shown flashes and might be able to perform for the right coach. 2011 was terrible outside of Henery. However, the team was probably pushed more by need since the draft came before FA that year. 2012 is the most recent draft, and it has plenty of potential hits. I honestly look forward to see what Howie does in April.

          • Bob A

            I had a much longer answer up here earlier, but I see they deleted it (had to be for length, I wasn’t hard on anybody, not today anyway), but you said everything I wanted to say in pretty short form. An experienced coach just isn’t going to hitch his wagon to Howie. That’s why I said it’ll be a guy we’ve never heard of. I hope laeagle is right , and I’m wrong, but I’m not overly optimistic about the Eagles future.

          • Dynamite

            Hasn’t Reid essentially been functioning as the GM for a few years? Isn’t that one of the reasons why Banner moved on to Cleveland? I know there was some ‘power struggle’ rumors over the summer. My main concern with Howie would be if he could handle the full duties of a GM, and more specifically player evaluation. I think Howie has been more of an assistant GM, handling the numbers. And I actually think he has been good in that role.

            Bringing it back to a potential new coach, please no total control head coach AND the GM in one types. Its too much, and it doesn’t work anymore. The league has become too demanding. I think Andy taking on so much control is a contributing factor to this dismal season.

      • FMWarner

        Agree 100%

      • GoBirds1

        What is so hard to understand the hate on Howie, he is just like you, clueless! Your Ron Wolf reference is completely off base. Look at the volume of work and accomplishments BEFORE he became an NFL GM. That is part of the issue, this the NFL, you don’t get to be GM and then learn on the job. If want to be a player personnel guy, go through the ranks in that channel, not crossing t’s and dotting i’s on player contracts. Also, he carries this arrogance, per the current Eagles establishment, like he has a body of work to justify his attitude. At least Reid has proved he can do something. What has Howie done in his limited experience to justify his role to re-build an NFL franchise, let alone being the best possible available person to take on this task.

        Except for leaking his 5 year extension, where has Howie been during this season’s debacle? Nowhere, like a weasel. The new face of the Eagles showing his leadership skills, in a closet. I guarantee you, if the Birds were running to the playoffs, Pee Wee Howie would be popping up on every media outlet there is.

      • Bob A

        laeagle; even though I disagree with you on most of these topics, you seem like a fully engaged Eagles fan, which I will always respect. Most people attribute both the 2010 and 2011 drafts to Roseman ( again, this is the media account, neither of us were there on draft day 2010), and you’d admit with the exception of Henery, they were pretty bad. I actually LIKE 2012, and with the roster addition of McNutt today, he has the chance to hit on almost every one. I won’t be a hypocrite about any FA signings that any fan would have made last year or this year that have crapped out, therefore I blame Nnamdi , DRC ( trade) Jenkins, Babin ( gone, thankfully), and Bell for the quality of their work, not Roseman. I’ll never get Young, Steve Smith or Ronnie Brown, they couldn’t play, and they proved it; they were terrible signings. Reid doesn’t “suck” , but his work since 2009 has, and he has to go. Lurie is not cheap, in fact, they often allocate resources poorly, but they DO allocate them. Ron Wolf was GBs GM quite some time ago, remember, many of the coaches that were on that staff ended up in the league for a long time( Holmgren,Gruden,Reid, Mariucci, etc) and they may have had input. But give the guy credit, he built a great team. The current GMs without football background, I believe, are Roseman, and Tannenbaum of the Jets. I won’t bother going through all of the draft picks and FA signings that may have been better, it looks like the posters below did a pretty thorough job of that, and just to show you how fair I am, I actually agree with YOU on Graham /JPP, I still think Graham will make an impact here.Whatever you feel about Thomas, you’ll admit they haven’t had a decent safety here since BDawk left, and that’s a lot of time to go from Macho Harris all the way to Nate Allen without getting one. The comment I made is more about how Roseman and Lurie are perceived by veteran football people. If you are an experienced NFL coach, would you choose a situation where Roseman is making your picks? Not if you had another option. Same with Lurie, he is perceived to be too involved in the football operation. The other day a DN columnist wrote about Jim Haslett’s 1999 head coaching interview with the Birds, in that interview he told Lurie and Banner that if he were to come here , they would have to let him and Tom Modrak ( who was GM at the time) run the football part of the operation. Yes, Haslett’s interview skills are idiotic to say the least, but it did provide some insight about how the owner might be perceived outside Nova Care. And no, I don’t think the perception of Lurie has changed much since 1999. Of course, Lurie and Banner reacted by firing Modrak but Modrak had been doing a pretty good job for them. But it’s about perception. I don’t like Lurie for the reason most don’t , he doesn’t seem to be much of a Philly guy, and despite what you wrote when we argued last week( I really have talked to people that have worked for him), I don’t think he treats non football employees with respect ( there’s an old saying that says the measure of a man is how he treats the lowest rung on the totem pole).If the local media disagreed with me,they’d stop listing every non football firing. Good luck to Anne Gordon, the new communications director, hired today. If Lurie doesn’t screw up the football side, fine. To me, starting a presser with 20 reasons why you should fire a guy and ending it with a lame excuse to keep him is absurd. This season is 100% on Lurie, hence the anger. Roseman and Lurie would have to overcome a huge negative perception(not just by fans, by NFL people), and I think it will result in either a college coach or assistant NFL coach becoming the next coach of the Birds, which was the point I made above.

        • laeagle

          Bob, thanks for the comment, and sorry I got you wrong in our last interchange. Always happy to chat with people I disagree with as long as there’s good reason and not just senseless anger.

          I think we can agree pretty easily that Lurie is not much of a Philly guy, based on his background as well as how he carries himself. I do think he’s done a good job as an owner of building a respectable organization with facilities and a reputation that doesn’t hurt us when attracting free agents. You of course remember the days when we had to beg people to sign here because of the poor playing field and training facilities. As for how he is personally, I really can’t say. I tend to take it with a grain of salt when people say “I know a guy who says he’s a jerk” but that very well could be. I’ll put my feelers out here and see if I know anyone who worked with him on “VI Warshawski”. Either way, I don’t think you’re going to find too many NFL owners (or billionaires, for that matter) who don’t come off as a jerk at times. I judge him by the product, and while it stinks now, I do feel he’s been trying to put out a good one in his time as owner. Think of how much of an insufferable prick Steve Jobs was, for example.

          As for Howie picking the players, I really don’t think that’s how it works. I sincerely doubt Howie said, “Here Andy, here are the players I drafted for you.” All accounts indicate that it was a team effort. Howie’s job, as with any GM working closely with the coach, is to work the draft: make the calls, set up the board and the process, wheel and deal, all that stuff. I think he’s also supposed to work with the coach to establish draft philosophy: what kind of players do we want, what sort of type of player at a given position do we want (3-4 LBs versus 4-3 LBs, for example). So it’s not like it was “Howie’s Draft”, and that we can completely blame the bad picks on him (funny thing, I see people blame the bad picks on Andy or Howie, but no one gives either of them specifically credit for the good picks).

          I think the silver lining that I’m seeing in the Howie situation is that for the first time in a long time in the 2012 draft, I saw the team adjust their philosophy based on their errors. 2012 was much more of a BPA draft than we’ve seen before. Fewer out of the blue, “I know something everyone else doesn’t” picks happened. Some riskier guys were taken, after research. The “self scouting” that Howie has talked about looks like it was applied and that’s why I’m pleased. How long has it been since we’ve seen Andy and company admit their mistakes or learn from them?

          Oh, and I was talking about Kevin Colbert with the Steelers. He’s the personnel guy who was there with Cowher and Tomlin, and I think someone you can look to as a common denominator in both coaching regimes. So a good GM can make a difference, and I’m cautiously optimistic that Howie can be one, too. If I”m not mistaken, Donahue was also with the 49ers during their little crappy stretch, so I guess no one’s perfect.

      • GoBirds1

        What is so hard to understand the hate on Howie, he is just like
        you, clueless! Your Ron Wolf reference is completely off base. Look at
        the volume of work and accomplishments BEFORE he became an NFL GM.
        That is part of the issue, this the NFL, you don’t get to be GM and then
        learn on the job. If want to be a player personnel guy, go through the
        ranks in that channel, not crossing t’s and dotting i’s on player
        contracts. Also, he carries this arrogance, per the current Eagles
        establishment, like he has a body of work to justify his attitude. At
        least Reid has proved he can do something. What has Howie done in his
        limited experience to justify his role to re-build an NFL franchise, let
        alone being the best possible available person to take on this task.

        Except for leaking his 5 year extension, where has Howie been during
        this season’s debacle? Nowhere, like a weasel. The new face of the
        Eagles showing his leadership skills, in a closet. I guarantee you, if
        the Birds were running to the playoffs, Pee Wee Howie would be popping
        up on every media outlet there is.

        • aub32

          He’s a GM, not a coach. What’s a GM supposed to do mid-season? Howie has been able to get marquee free agents here. No, it didn’t work out, but please lie and tell me you weren’t excited with the names he brought in. Also, we don’t have any bad contracts on the books. Look at how some of the other teams are strapped in to under performing players due to cap constraints. Babin was just cut with no significant cap hit. I get his first 2 drafts were poor. He was new and the mistake of over valuing character over talent. This last draft was really good though and shows promise. I think you’re just too upset to be rational, and you have a reason to be.

    • Elias Rappaport

      Like Howie’s the problem. And Lurie’s cheap too, right? This is stupid. Howie has done his best to make this team the best it can field. He, yes, had a bad 1st 2 drafts, but pulled it together in this one getting Cox, Kendrichs, Curry (who looks decent), Foles, Boykin, Brown, and Johnson all in one draft. Those are ALL contributing rookies. That’s impressive. Also in FA he gets us the best. It’s not his fault the dream team didn’t work out. Reid has to coach those guys better. Every year he gets us good players. Also in the last 3 years he’s traded McNabb, Kolb, and a 4th for DRC, Nate Allen, Demeco Ryans, and Mychal Kendrichs. That’s pretty good.

  • borntosuffer

    No thank you. The benefit would be he would be out of the booth on MNF. But, I don’t want him as the Eagle’s coach. Wish he would have taken the TN job.

    • morgan c

      Totally agree. Gruden is the most overrated guy in football! He won once with a team put together by someone else, and is the most annoying overly-positive blowhard on tv. Not sure how he has become such a hot commodity, with such little talent.

  • FMWarner

    Best news of the day.

  • southy

    so basically, in order to get Jon Gruden as your head coach, if you’re an NFL team, you have to NOT REALLY NEED a new coach?

    fine by me. don’t hate chuckie but he wouldn’t be my first pick.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1668282605 Mark Pirollo Sr.

    I could deal with Gruden, would rather have a defensive minded coach. Tired of hearing he won with Dungy’s team, wasn’t it his Raiders that played him in the Superbowl? If Gruden becomes HC would like to see his brother Jay as the OC and Monte Kiffin/Ray Horton as the DC.

  • The Guru

    I know I’m probably in the minority with this choice, but I want Bill O’Brien as the next coach. If he could clean up that mess at Penn St. and actually field a pretty good team this year, imagine what he could do with this Jerry Springer episode called The Eagles. And he has pro experience with New England.

    • Elias Rappaport

      I want nothing to do with a former Patriots coach. Name 1 that has ever succeeds elsewhere in the NFL.

      • The Guru

        What other coaches have done is completely irrelevant.

        • Elias Rappaport

          It has merit. The Patriots runa certain system with certain personel. Also they have the best HC ever…

          • PhEaglesPhan

            Ya that recording defense signals (spygate) really showed Belichik’s amazing ability to coach and cheat on the side.

  • Elias Rappaport

    He’s my 2nd choice probably, behind Chip Kelly. Would love if he, of course he wouldn’t, came to be our Offensive Coordinator with Kelly as the HC.

  • Loke2112

    Good I can’t stand listening to him speak anyway.

  • Mike Mastrangelo

    Forget about Gruden, even though he’d be a good hire. We need to think more along the lines of an assistant on one of the better teams in the league. We need a guy to come in here and instill discipline in these players. Put them through the ringer so to say and weed out the players that don’t want to tackle and play 100% every down. We need a tough, physical team with an attitude and you need a coach with those qualities, ie: Schiano at Tampa. If we played with that style I can guarantee that fans would be ok with losses in hopes of being able to land a QB down the road and build through great draft classes. This team now is so unlikeable because this is the softest most arrogant team I’ve seen. The players just talk and do nothing to back it up. It really is embarrassing to watch the effort or lack thereof by certain players on the team.

  • http://twitter.com/ScottJ610 Scott J

    Lets take a look at Gruden’s record. He won in a Super Bowl his first year in Tampa with a team built by Tony Dungy. It was all downhill for 6 years after that. Before that, he started with a .500 club in Oakland and took them to the playoffs in his 3rd year with a record of 14-4. He had a worse record his 4th year, 10-6. In 14 years he has a .540 W/L%. 176 games, 95 wins, 81 loses. Lets face it, he’s more of a celebrity for his facial expressions than his coaching genius.

    • aub32

      I had this same conversation with my old man the other day. I would have no problem with Gruden coming in and winning a SB with the team that Reid built. As long as I get my SB, I could live with having to praise Gruden. I want that trophy lol.

  • http://twitter.com/ScottJ610 Scott J

    My bet would be Lurie going after someone with a New England connection. He’s from there and we know how envious he is of the Patriots.

  • northeagle

    49ers OC Greg Roman and Alex Smith

  • laeagle

    The improvement specifically in how the draft was handled. His management of the draft as well as the results improved significantly from 2010-2012, with 2012 being an excellent year.

    Your anger is understandable but when you start saying things like “when did Lurie ever care about that, the homo dbag”, it’s pretty plain that you offer nothing to the conversation but a bunch of nonsense. Please go vent elsewhere. The adults are talking.

  • laeagle

    Let’s just take one example here (since you seem to be so fond of cherry picking the bad examples yourself). You say “let’s ee all the accumulated depth on OL walk because they were not Mudd guys!” So Howie should have gotten Reid players that didn’t fit the system that the coach wanted to implement? That would have made him a good GM? He should have just gotten “Howie” guys? I’m sure if he did that you certainly wouldn’t have then turned around and said “what’s the non football guy doing?” As is typical with non-specifically angry idiots like yourself, he’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. His job is to get the players the coach wants. He did.

    And nice lead in, holmes. Way to zing me.

  • laeagle

    Seriously, that’s the best you’ve got?

  • laeagle

    You know, adults were having some good conversation based on actual knowledge of the sport and the league, and you had to go and crap all over it. Way to go junior. You’re an internet hero.