Reid Reaches Point Of No Return

Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy ReidJeffrey Lurie emerged from the shadows briefly Monday night to help celebrate Troy Vincent and Leo Carlin‘s induction into the Eagles Hall of Fame.

After recognizing the two honorees Lurie handed the floor over to Vincent, who was promptly steered into talking about the ails of the 2012 club.

“I just see a lack of leadership,” Vincent began, the owner just a few paces to his left. Not even in a celebration of the past could the woes of the present be avoided. Lurie stood there and absorbed it all before heading back underground.

That was how the night started. It ended with a 30-22 loss to the Panthers, pushing the losing streak to seven games and the Eagles into basement of the NFC. Most significantly, it put the Eagles’ loss total on the year at eight games. Lurie stated that 8-8 would not be good enough for Andy Reid to earn a 15th season. Reid can now do no better.

“Listen, we’re going to keep battling. I’m going to control what I can control, and that’s getting better as a team, and I have to do a better job with that,” said Reid, when reminded of the Lurie edict. “I’m not worried about all the other things. I’m worried about winning football games and making sure I get my players coached up where we do a better job with that.”

Has he been assured by Lurie that he will be able to finish the season?

“We really haven’t talked about that,” said Reid. “He’s been supportive. He’s competitive as anybody and wants to win games. That’s what he’s in this business for. But we really haven’t gone there.”

A request to speak to Lurie after the game was turned down by the Eagles.

History suggests that Lurie will allow Reid to coach the remaining five games. He let Rich Kotite  and Ray Rhodes cross the finish line; there is plenty of reason to believe that he will give Reid the same opportunity.

Then there will be change, so long as Lurie is true to his words.

While the 8-8 remark has been perhaps the driving story line of the season, at least one prominent player in the Eagles locker room had no idea what Lurie had said.

“Ooh, he said that? Damn,” said Trent Cole. “Jesus Christ. Hey, that’s for the administrator. I’ve got nothing to do with that. I’m a player. I’m going to do what I’m supposed to do. Whatever they tell me to do, I’m going to do it.”

Jeremy Maclin was asked if there was going to be a “red alert” with Reid now that the team can do no better than their 2011 record.

“I have no idea. I have no idea,,” said Maclin. “I have always been a Coach Reid guy. I am never, ever going to quit on my team, my coach or this city.

“Can’t worry about that. Like I  said, I’m a Coach Reid guy and I love the guy to death, but we can’t get caught up in all that.”

As the outcome of Monday’s game became apparent the signs began being pulled out in the stands at Lincoln Financial Field. One fan wore a ski mask and held a sign that said, “Hey Andy, We’ve Been Robbed!” There were others requesting Jon Gruden be the next coach, and so on.

But the biggest sign was rolled out towards the very end, stretching across almost an entire section. In bold letters it read:


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  • Capt. Undapants

    The people that want Jon Gruden disgust me. No coach IN THE ENTIRE history of NFL has been able to win a Super Bowl after winning one on a previous team. Mike Holmgren, Gruden’s mentor, came close, but close doesn’t win Super Bowls.

    The man cannot build and sustain teams. Proof is in his Super Bowl campaign, which he won with a Tony Dungy built team. His record, which I will not say is “bad”, is basically Andy Reid’s record condensed (couple of 10+ winning seasons, an AFC championship appearance, 4 playoff appearances, the previously addressed SB but other than that… an Andy Reid-esque record). Teams he built (the Bucs post SB) never made it past the Wild Card round.

    He’s touted as a QB guru by ESPN, however he drove Chris Simms’ (a second round pick) career into the ground. You want this man handling Mike Vick or third round nick Pick Foles? (not saying Foles throws ints, just wanted to be cute there) Well, you might, but I’ll pass.

    Someone please layout the source of this Gruden lust. I have never gotten it.

    • big red hater

      nobody really cares who the frig the next coach is, as long as its not that
      fat arrogant douche that has created this historically bad mess of a

    • BlindChow

      “No coach IN THE ENTIRE history of NFL has been able to win a Super Bowl after winning one on a previous team.”

      What a worthless stat. EVERYTHING that has ever been done had at one point never been done before. Before Kurt Warner won a Super Bowl, you could say no undrafted quarterback “IN THE ENTIRE” history of the NFL had ever done it.

      If a coach can’t get to the Super Bowl a second time, it’s ridiculous to suggest the reason is because he’d been there before.

      I’m not a Gruden fanatic, nor do I know anything about his record, but from you’ve said about it (“couple of 10+ winning seasons, an AFC championship appearance, 4 playoff appearances”), it looks way better than the last two years. Besides, he wouldn’t be building a team from scratch now, would he?

    • The Guru

      It’s just his “in your face” attitude vs. the clueless I’ll just stare at my 600 play playsheet with a not so smart look on my face. It’s the polar opposite approach to the game which is refreshing after being beat down for 14 years with, “I gotta do a better job”.

    • Alex Karklins

      Well, I think a lot of fans like Gruden’s personality as well as his ties to the organization. I’m also struggling to find the appeal from a football standpoint, given the idiocy he displays on a regular basis during his broadcasts. If he’s hired, I certainly hope he prepares better as a coach than as an announcer.

    • rich

      No to Gruden. People are talking about David Shaw, Gruden’s replacement at Stanford, who has NFL experience and could be really hungry to win.

    • FMWarner

      People in Philly like Gruden because he’s loud, bold, and frequently makes reference to his work ethic. These are all things that Eagles fans like better than winning.

    • Qvilleman

      Well said.

  • Joe D

    I absolutely love that that idiot went for 2 in the 2nd quarter last night. Just pure brilliance. Another instance of a man who can’t get out of his own way. If the Panthers were an actual NFL team and could make an extra point they would have been up 31-22 and the Eagles would have needed 2 scores. Just fine work by a man who has seen the game pass him by then pass him by again.

    As far as draft picks this will be the one year where they actually take the pick instead of trading down like they’ve always done when they actually do need just a piece here or a piece there. You want to know why they’ll just take the pick? Because now they have holes upon holes that need to be filled and they will only (hopefully) address one. But most likely they will take a kicker and try to convert him to an offensive lineman because it’s cute and what they do.

    • rich

      Going for 2 made sense to tie up the game. You can’t play based on every possibility, just the likely possibilities.

      • Joe D

        No it didn’t. You don’t chase points in the 2nd quarter. Period. Especially when you have a defense that gives up points with the blink of an eye.

    • Stay Class, Philly

      Going for 2 made sense at that point in the game, and is in fact exactly the kind of thing Chip Kelly (who everyone seems so enamored with) would do in that situation. Sure there’s a chance it could come back and bite you, but you can’t predict how things will play out later on in the game (it’s entirely possible that they kick the extra point but end up losing by 1 point). Hell, if our defense could have held them to a field goal a TD would have won it. I’m not saying Reid doesn’t make boneheaded moves (his clock management is historically terrible) and I think his time here in Philly is up. But let’s not forget all the success he has had as coach all these years. Sure they never won it all (which ultimately is all that matters), but as perennial contenders they always gave us hope and something to cheer for. Some might argue that makes losing that much more painful, but I’d bet any Jaguars or Chiefs fan would trade places in an instant. For that, I think Big Red deserves better than the bile so many fans are spewing at him. I, for one, respect what Reid has done, and despite being angry and disappointed at how this season has gone, I guarantee that he feels it far more sharply than you or I or any other fan can imagine.

      (As far as drafting goes, it wasn’t too long ago everyone was praising the strength of the Eagles draft class. Like most other NFL teams, the Eagles under Andy Reid have had some great picks as well as busts.)

  • Joe D

    Tim, I love your writing and the work you do covering the team but you made one glaring error in this post. You said one prominent Eagles player and then dropped a quote from Trent Cole. I didn’t even know he was still on the team. His play on the field certainly hasn’t shown it.

  • Joe D

    Oh and they didn’t have any timeouts left with 2 minutes left in the game? Get out of town! No way!

    • rich

      Calling timeouts at 4 minutes was pretty smart actually to try and get the ball back and give your rookie QB more then 2 minutes to work with. You can’t help that your defense gets called for Defensive holding and your back 7 are swiss cheese.

  • JofreyRice

    Haha, you tell the difference between a McManus and Kapadia post just by reading the headline; Tim’s are always dramatic.

    There’s no point in firing Reid. The whole thing about “teaching young players how to win” and “winning atmosphere” is baloney. You win with talent & a good gameplan. If they can hire the right coach to put together the right gameplans, cut the guys that are *supposed* to be good, and begin acquiring guys that actually *are* good, they’ll have a “winning atmosphere”.

    Even though the draft is weak, and Roseman has a pretty solid record of incompetence, might as well tank the rest of the way, and try and load the die for the crap-shoot that will his pick in April.

  • defroe81

    jay gruden

  • Qvilleman

    Just watch a post game interview from Mike Tomlin then one from Andy Reid and you’ll ask yourself, why did I listen to that for umpteen years?