Eagles Wake-Up Call: Foles Can’t Save Reid

Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy ReidAll year, the number eight has hung over the Eagles’ season.

With every loss that moves this team’s final record to 8-8 or worse, the end of the Andy Reid era seems to draw closer.

But recently, some have questioned whether that’s truly the case. The theory goes like this: Perhaps Reid will try to groom Nick Foles the rest of the way and convince Jeffrey Lurie that he deserves more time as the head coach. Time to help Foles (and a young roster) along, ushering in the next era of Eagles football.

That’s not happening.

Back in August, Lurie was asked if he’d know after the season whether it was a successful one.

“I do. I think it will be very clear,” he said.

And he was right. The Eagles are 3-6. Only four teams in the entire NFL – the Panthers, Browns, Jaguars and Chiefs – have fewer wins. No team in the NFC has been outscored by more points (-65). This comes after a disappointing 8-8 campaign in 2011. After a free-agent spending spree that summer. After Lurie allowed Reid to promote (and then fire) Juan Castillo to defensive coordinator, even though the owner has admitted he had doubts in the first place.

Lurie has to be embarrassed and disappointed at how the season has unraveled. The Eagles host a couple of prime-time games in front of the entire country – one vs. the Panthers on Monday night in Week 12, and the other against the Bengals on Thursday night in Week 15. Chances are, the scene at the Linc on those nights will not be pretty.

Lurie considered making a move last offseason, but ultimately decided to give Reid one more shot. That decision has not worked out. In fact, it has failed miserably. I’m sure Lurie still likes and respects Reid. I’m sure he wishes Reid was the man to bring the city its first Lombardi Trophy.

But I’m also sure he realizes the time has come to make a change. And that’s what’s going to happen.


The Eagles signed offensive lineman Jake Scott and released Julian Vandervelde. But why was Scott not on a roster already?

Reid labeled Michael Vick’s concussion as “pretty significant.” Tim’s got all the details.

It was a rough day for King Dunlap and the rest of the offensive linemen. Here is my game review.

I re-watched every throw Nick Foles made. Here are some thoughts on how he played overall.

Tim writes that the first thing the Eagles need to change is their self-perception. Strong piece here.


ESPN.com’s Ashley Fox on the end of the Reid era:

It has become almost painful to watch the end of the Andy Reid era. It is crashing so spectacularly that it is impossible to avert the eyes, but the vision is no less gruesome. Before the first frost, before the trees have even become bare, the Eagles’ season is over, lost because of a thousand mistakes that have slowly, effectively poked a gaping hole in a team that was built to contend for a title.

Vince Verhei of Football Outsiders suggests the chances of Foles becoming an effective long-term starter are low:

The fact is, it’s hard to find many successful NFL quarterbacks who were drafted in the third round or later. Tom Brady is always hailed as the ultimate diamond in the rough, but it has been 12 years since New England took him in the sixth round in 2000. In the ensuing decade-plus, 97 quarterbacks were drafted in Rounds 3-7. Only five of them — Matt Schaub, David Garrard, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel and Kyle Orton — were NFL starters for more than three seasons, and only one of those is likely to be starting next year. This does not guarantee failure for Foles (or Wilson, who was also a third-rounder), but it shows that when teams let quarterbacks slip past the first or second round, it’s usually for good reason.


The Eagles are off, but we are not. Plenty to sift through today on Birds 24/7.

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  • FrenchEagles

    About the QB drafted in the 3rd round or later, Vince Verhei is just forgetting Tony Romo that was not drafted at all and is (despite his defaults) in the top 10-15 QB of the league.

    So of course the probabilities that Foles becomes the QB of the next decade are low, but he could be a good one for a few years, and give time for the new coach to wait for the good opportunity to grab a better one.

  • Foles showed why he was drafted in the third round when he played. It’s going to be a rough few years moving forward in Philly ’cause this team is about to be blown up.

    • defroe81

      in 2 quarters you have your conclusion… right

  • The Guru

    What round you’re drafted means nothing. Joe Montana was a third round pick. Kurt Warner was bagging groceries and in the Arena league. Foles has the size to play QB in this league….my question is his arm strength and decision making. But, we’ll know at the end of these 7 games if he’s the guy to move forward with or if we draft Matt Barkley. That’s why it was so important to move on from the lost cause Vick.

  • Cranky Caucasian

    They also fail to mention the flip side of the coin. How many QBs that were taken in the first two rounds that were complete busts. The draft is not an exact science. Teams are making educated guesses. Draft position does not equate to quality of player, just what the general consensus of that player was coming out of college. It’s way too early to say whether Foles will be a quality starter or not. The only way to find out is to let him play.

  • knighn

    Let’s talk about some Fall Foles-iage:
    I think, more than anything, that Nick Foles showed he was a ROOKIE QB who hasn’t had regular practice with the starters for over 10 weeks. Take a look at the stats and game performances for ALL of the Rookie QBs that are full-time starters this year, including: Andrew Luck (1st round, 1st overall, 79.1 QB rating), RGIII (1st round, 2nd overall, 93.9 QB rating), Ryan Tannehill (1st round, 8th overall, 73.2 QB rating), Brandon Weeden (1st round, 22nd overall, 67.9 QB rating) and Russell Wilson (3rd round, 75th overall, 90.5 QB rating). These are regular starters with the benefit of regular full-week Game Prep with their starters and they don’t always do a heck of a lot better than Nick Foles did in 2 and 1/2 quarters (85.3 QB rating) with ZERO game prep.
    What’s more, Foles led his team to 16 points (should have been 17, Alex Henery!) in 2 and 1/2 quarters of play. For this year: Vick was averaging 17 points in 4 quarters of play. All this is to say that it is that it’s too early to make a judgment on Foles.
    Of course, the odds are that Foles will NOT succeed. Tom Brady, Kurt Warner and Drew Brees aside, many are quick to point out that finding a franchise QB outside of the 1st round is a rarity. That doesn’t mean that it never happens. So let’s sit back and let the kid do is thing as long as the Eagles will let him do it. We already know this team isn’t going anywhere with Vick, and that this team is going anywhere this season.
    But maybe, just maybe Fall Foles-iage in 2012 will lead to Autumn Awesomeness and a Winter Wonderland in 2013? Hope Springs Eternal.

  • Beavis

    By no means do I think Nick Foles is the long-term answer at QB for this team. And sure, a first-round QB is more likely to succeed than a late-round pick. But there have been successful QBs not named Brady. A few were mentioned by other posters here, but also consider some of the “bums” that have led their teams to the Super Bowl in the past decade: Matt Hasselback, Jake Delhomme, Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon and Kurt Warner. Obviously, this is the exception rather than the rule … but let’s no pretend it doesn’t happen. This team has too many needs to go out and focus on a weak crop of college QBs.

  • It can’t be forgotten that guys coming out of college lately are much more prepared for the pros than back in the day. Russell Wilson isn’t re-writing the record books but he can play. And not to mention some folks had Foles listed at first round talent.

    How about we give him one full game before we go ahead and call him a bust of a savior of this organization?

    • saunhi

      What needs to be commonly understood in Philly is you need a complete TEAM, not just a few heroes.

      Example: I wasnt exactly a Vick fan until I saw him play the entire game against Ariz last year after having his ribs broken by an UNBLOCKED rusher who ran right past the so-called blocking back. (Other teams would dump such a RB).

      These days Nfl teams need At Least three capable QBs at all times due to injuries.

      • The Guru

        What are you blathering about? No teams have 3 capable QBs. And Vick probably got crushed by an unblocked rusher because he had no idea where the blitz was coming from and held on to the ball too long. You need to learn this game

  • al

    how about bringing Mcnabb back. he is the only true QB of the birds. he never had such miserable seasons in phily